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Access, Global Warming and Regional Churches and Small Town Churches

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Panentheism wrote:

Alex I understand the points you make - however as has been pointed out there is a difference with being an affirming church and a church that affrims. The first is a process and several ottawa churches are in the midst of that.    Yes it is a slow process.

 

Many churches have some accessibility projects - some better than others.  The one I serve has a lift but the bathroom is  not accessible.  Yes it is not on the radar for some.  The irony is that the lift is not used - as I watch those with canes go down the stairs I wonder why? The church I retired from had one that all used and the bathrooms accessible - it was because ti was a newer church. 

 

This triggered in me an idea of a better way to communicate and make clear certain  on my "issue" accessibility.  Specifically by combining the topic of Access, Global Warming and Regional Churches to clarify some of the issues involved in welcoming people.

 

 

Panentheism wrote:

I have served several churches in Ottawa, some which had policies that the minister could marry within the church and some only outside.  It is the later that will begin to move toward an inside position and it comes when a member of the community has a family or is a member and wish to marry with the church.

 

This made me think of the differences in church life in large urban centers, like Ottawa, Halifax, or London, Ontario. and church life in small towns.  Specifically  towns with one, two, three or so  United Churches. 

 

In small towns that I have visited in eastern Canada, I am always made to feel welcome, so much in fact that I am unable to speak to all of those who wish to at coffee time after wards.

 

People in small areas would not ever consider denying a neighbour access to church, or not even think of it as in the realm of possibilities.  They might make each other (members)  uncomfortable, but they are always welcoming. 

 

Like  P says boards often will decide to start doing marriages when the people getting married are people they know. family friends, or well known community members, like your MP. (ie Scott Brison) .

 

People are just friendlier and nicer in small towns, this might be because they live in their local communities, and they know each other. 

 

In large cities, people do not know each other as well. Many live in one area, work in another, and go to church in another.  I never see any of the people I know from church during the week. Except the few that attend activities at the church during the week. However this also makes getting to know people a lot longer.

 

In a city like Ottawa this has affected the UCC.  In my riding of Ottawa centre there are 15 or so UCC. Most of them are regional churches, in particular those closer to downtown. Also there are also at least 300 churches, mosques, temples, etc. Almost all of them are also regional.

 

So this in effect means there are few churches that are neighbourhood base.

 

Now some would say hogwash, their are 15, UCC and 300 others. Yes we can go to those churches and some do. I attend a UCC that is a regional church, that is only 10 minutes by car, 20 minutes by bus. however I past three others, including one that is a five minute walk. It has a  large Building, small congregations  Relative to other churches in Ottawa , it is very accessible to the many people with different kinds of disabilities/differences.  it has a noticable numbers of non-white people.  The minister is good. I have heard him speak several times. The Associate minister is good, and has worked with people with Aids, and very aware of the issues. However the board is not accepting of LGBT. At least that what the members said when I asked.

 

For environmental, and community reason  and to build a better church,  I should attend this church.  However on closer look it too is a regional church, and I would not meet more people from my are in it than the church I go to. So it leaves environmental reasons and building a better church.                

 

The problem with regional churches in cities, is if there are too many of them it leaves whole communities without a church. Not only in the sense that people do not have a church where they can meet others in their neighbourhood, but also the church noticable presence in the community. (some do let the community rent space) but I am talking about the building, I am talking about the church, (The members)

As a result most  in the community knows nothing, or are misinformed about the church that meets in a building in their neighbourhood. And visa versa

 

Also when you do have a person come to services from the neighbourhood, they are strangers to almost everyone.

 

So people are ignored. it has happened many times to me over the years.  I am just as responsible as the members. The last time I went to a different regional UCC. No one spoke to me but the minister and his family. however I spoke at length with two people, who had apparent disabilities/differences.  They also happened to be one of the few members that lived in that  neighbourhood.(across the street) i did not talk to anyone else in the congregations, (all over 60 and scarily middle class, unknown to me theology). Likewise the did not talk to or approach me( perhaps I was just as scary to them as they were to me)    

 

Thus things must be done differently in the urban centre to let people know that you are welcoming, like using signs.

 

We are scared of each other in cities. The regional church systems thus also deprives us of a way of getting to know different types of people, so it maintans these fears of the other,. We go to regional churches  with people like us. However it is hard to get to know each other,(people who are like us)  because we are less likely to meet at the church or in the copmmunty during the week.

 

 

Also people with disabilities/differences are more likely for practical reasons need to go to the church across street. They thus tend to be the people in the regional churches who live in the neighbourhood.  They would be a good place to start in building a ministry in the urban center.

 

The other problem with the regional churches, is that they take the space of a local church that could provide  local political and moral leadership, (like when street level sex workers was an issue in my area, none of the churches were involved. it was a huge issue, dealing with social justice, and community policing, and the churches, temples,  in the neighbourhood affected were all silent in the debate.) 

 

 

Ultimately for these reasons and the environment we need to examine the ethics of attending regional churches, and driving past 3, or 20 other UCCs.

 

However in the mean time it means that access is often a communication issue. .

 

There is progress as P.  points out on LGBT issues but few  know in the neighbourhood. Thus we have a communication barrier. Such a barrier would not exist in small towns. Urban churches need to identify these barriers that do not exist in small towns.

 

The negative side affects of the regional church system in urban area affects mostly those who are different or on low incomes, but  it impacts on the whole community.

 

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Alex

 

I am not quite so willing to paint urban and rural into stereotypes as you are.

 

I have attended as a guest small town churches when in holiday.

One was the most  welcoming of all churches that I have been in and one was the coldest.   In both of those cases, I was with family members, one time my mother, another time a niece.   In the coldest, not a soul spoke to us.  I smiled and they were returned but there wasn't a "hello" offered, or a "are you visiting us today?" or..anything.  

 

 

In terms of churches, the terms that i have heard are family, pastoral and program churches.  A quick google told me there is a new term, corporate church.

You may wish to read this article for the particular challenges for ministers transitioning: http://www.congregationalresources.org/article0132.asp

 

 

 

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Pinga wrote:

Alex

 

I am not quite so willing to paint urban and rural into stereotypes as you are.

 

i agree. I use language in a way that is different than most. It leads to a painting in words, that if read literally would mean i was saying all urban churches were the same or all small town churches  were. I use pictures to think and sometimes the translation into words has flaws reflecting that.

 

 

 I was just illustrating the difference that I experience between  the small town UCC's I have had experience with. Both were the largest Church  in each town and both were  one UCC congregation  towns. Unlike most UCC in small towns.

 

While the Urban UCC is an illustration of the downtown of Ottawa.

 

I was trying to situate them as two ends of the extreme on a continuim that changed as population and number of churches change.  That too was just based on my experience and extrapolation. 

 

I am  using this post as part of an article I am writing about using "access/disability/difference" as a part of the process for  churches wanting to reach out to the community where their building is.and I will  make changes, including being more specific concerning the two being illustrations of one person's stereotypes based on his experience  

 

So thanks for pointing that out.

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Alex, I also don't get where you are saying that people are scared of people.

 

Our urban church  happens to be one of 5 in our city, and if not the largest, then one of the largest congregations in numbers and size of building.

 

I can tell you that people are welcomed intentionally, and we approach people on a reasonably equal basis.  Yes, there are some people who become part of the community faster than others, but, to say that we act out of fear of the stranger, is simply crap.

 

So, to say, we are scared of each others, also ticks me off

 

I think if you want to say that you are scared of people, or it appears people are scared of you ...feel free to do so...

 

but, i'm not buying the basis of your article.

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Pinga wrote:

Alex, I also don't get where you are saying that people are scared of people.

 

 

I will try to clarify my position.  I am trying to describe the different ways I and others have of getting "your foot inside the door", and how that relates to identifying barriers that churches have in cities.

 

What I am pointing out is that in my experience people in small towns are friendlier and more approachable then people in cities.  

 

there could be many reasons for it.  One of the possible explanations for this is that people are more "comfortable" and relaxed? Around people, because they know people in town, and people know them. Whereas people in the city are scared  less approachable?

 

It is not an attribute to the person or the church, but the way more people  in the city maintain higher  boundaries when we are in public. , but that is proportionately, or relatively greater percentages of people do.

 

I need to use different words to describe this  phenomenon.. i can see how you got that impression 

 

thanks

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