As the one to whom the quote from SnP was originally directed, I just want to say this - I don't at all relish the thought of having piranha chewing the meat off my Christian bones (and yes, I am thinking literally here.)

I will be interested to read the responses to this thread.

Isn't this the one who contacted someone's boss to complain about them and their belief's, who regularly  fills up blogs trying to make them useless?

Hi GeoFee,

This presumes that his past interaction here and elsewhere has not been a result of him already having come to himself.

It has been communicated to Stephen, at UnitedFuture.ca on the thread GeoFee created about WC2, that he would not be welcome at WC2. That conversation, and all of Stephen's comments there, have been deleted. But we know he read them because he responded to them. I assume he is reading this thread.

This was decided between Pinga, Mendalla and myself. With the disruption he has caused on all UCCan-related websites and pages, offices and among clergy, it was a pretty easy call, and one we wanted to make early and make clear.

Stephen's recourse is to have a long enough track record of boundaries respected to make the WC2 council reconsider. He'll have to forge that track record elsewhere.

Hi chansen,

Missed that exchange and not sorry that I did.

I don't have a problem with that.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Nor do I.

George 

Interesting comments George.

So I see you would like to see him banned, but would rescind when he repents of his misguided belief that Jesus is the only way.

The new council of WC2 is stocked with piranha. They circle around and take bites every time somebody like unsafe posts something like a charles stanley sermon that is meant to edify. I bet they are neither warned or banned. If airclean or unsafe ever say one thing out of line, a big bite is taken, blood is in the water, and the piranha come from every direction.

Way back, I used to think of them as the posse. lynching posse. 

I think Stephen should just walk away. It is not like the church is becoming more relevent. It is almost dead. The only thing keeping it alive are the old folks who believe in tithing. No need to dance on the grave, Stephen. They are lost.

Matt 18

Stephen, you are in prison for a hundred denarii.

Also on the subject of life time bans for annoying people who have not yet done anything wrong, but you just know they will. I think there should be a skill testing question when you register for WC2 and if you get it wrong it is because we have determined that you are going to be an annoying person deserve a lifetime ban.

Proposed first question:

There are self checkouts at your grocery store, the reason is:

a: people want to buy their stuff and get on with their day

b: it is a training center for technically inept people

That's not what George said at all. How is this sort of misrepresentation supposed to help anyone?

That I'm aware, I'm allowed to poke fun at religion here. But I'm the only one of the three admins who does so. If I'm a piranha, what are Pinga and Mendalla? That's a good question. They aren't piranhas, so what are they? I'll leave that open to the community. I won't presume to apply species labels to either of them. They'll be mad at me. For example, with Mendalla being a UU, I'd be inclined to call him by some species that is unsure if it's a fish or not.

Yes, those comedic piranhas, arriving from every direction in packs of....um....one. How many atheists and anti-theists do you see when you read my posts? Am I that threatening that I look like an entire science class to you?

I do my best to kill bad ideas, it's true.

I agree. I think Stephen should walk away, too. I think he needs to stop obsessing about the United Church and its leadership, whom he has harassed for years, and walk away. I think it would be good for him.

Heres another.

If someone offers to let you go ahead at the checkout because you have very few items you should:

a: decline the offer

b: accept the offer and then pay with mixed up 5 and 10 cent Canadian Tire money

The whole idea of a ban of a sock puppet is funny
The last time he quit WC he more or less admitted he was an invented Character when he logged in under his handle and demonstrated ed that he had a sophisticated understanding of language and theology, and was just playing the community because he was bored.

This thread however was not about the SB sock puppet. It was about Geo challenging Saul now.Paul to defend his as hominem attack on him.

George, for the most part, doesn't attack anyone. Equating him with a piranha is laughable. Take his first sentence above:

No piranha would ever talk like that. Not even metaphorically. Would a piranha say, "Excuse me, but would you be so kind as to stay still while my friends and I here help ourselves to your flesh in multiple savage bites in rapid succession? And do we really need all that screaming? I don't think so."

No, that's not typical piranha behaviour or word choice.

I did not call George a piranha.

Could we get an accurate list of the accused piranha, then? We ought to school them.

Groan

Let's be clear on something here (and I'm sick of being a stuck record so this is the last time I am posting this). Stephen is not banned for being a fundamentalist, evangelical Christian and speaking that truth here. unsafe and ac would be out on their asses, too, if that was the case.

Stephen is banned because he took it too far by taking it off site. I said that in the other thread and I am saying it again here. If Stephen can agree to not harass members on their blogs, by email, or by attacking them in emails to others and engage in discussion about his views, which will not always be non-critical acceptance of those views, with the community on the site, then there likely would not be a problem here. I had some discussions with various socks of his, mostly on non-religious topics, that actually went okay.

However, he has shown time and time again that he will not respect those kinds of boundaries and so we cannot take the risk of letting back on again until he does.

You will not be banned for being conservative or evangelical or fundamentalist (in fact, I'm having some good discussions with bb and others in the thread on divorce and addiction).

You will not be banned for promoting or proselytizing those beliefs (the proselytization clause is gone in the next draft of the Code per our discussions in the other thread).

You will be banned if you cross boundaries by attacking opponents personally or pursuing grudges against other members by harassing them off-site. And Stephen has done the latter.

Mendalla

Hi Saul_now_Paul,

If that is what you see you need to get your eyes checked.  I'm not sure what vision problem it is that you have, I just note it makes telling the truth difficult for you.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Excepting our missing friend's misguided sense of being alone with the knowledge of God.

George uses a lot of church speak, but i think I know what he means.

My keys are dangling from the ignition of my locked van. Aargh.

ask your g_d for help?

Thanks Inanna,

It worked and I got the job.

:3

Hi Saul_now_Paul...

Hope you get to your keys okay.

This means simply that it is impossible to converse with any person who believes their own preference of interpretation is the only possible interpretation. In effect saying, I am the only one who has it right. All others have it wrong. This is what I mean saying "misguided sense of being alone with the knowledge of God."

I get the sense that you want me to be wrong for some reason. Is this accurate?

George

Hi Saul_now_Paul,

And should you be proven wrong and it turns out that what you think you know is false what then?

Just move on to some new false witness or report more of the same?

Grace and peace to you.

John

Hostility is normal in the aggresive real worlds of god ... the unreal world of god is emma jinn Eire ... allowing people of heaven to be out-there ...

If you don't believe in emma jinn eire ... you can't go there ...

Thus leaving manifestations of love and thought out of the greater portion of the mind that is imaginery ... and of different focus that the "absolute" portions ... that are fixed like Grits in space ... motes, beams, whatever! Put some Cretian (Loo-crece?) in the bilges with some steerage and you get a concrete pathè ... of those below the gunals not knowing wherefore they are going ...

Authorities like to keep wee slaves in such fogs of mentality ...

And always remember that in Love and War all is fair ... thus the Red Lass will get you in the end ... and there shall be piles of humis (to enrich the earth as in composition, or is that composting?).

Why authorities love action instead of words ... words they just don't understand ... and thus the dark understanding of LOGOS ... we just don't got IT!

Odd thing for an intelligent race right? But then the abstract (incompleteness) could explain the situation we're in ... as we couldn't understand the need of balance in the dilemma! Some sharp fulcrum is needed ... and you know how authority is about balanced mediums; they just don't like mediums ... so mediums have to keep their heads down ... in subtle, aD'mistickle forces ... like: "where did that cursed thought go?"

Probably lost in a large Bao Bob-tree ... with plenty of sapience ...