let this thread be a participatory riff, of words, images, poetry, songs, notions, anecdotes, musings, whichevers of the beautiful, wonderful, aweful existence that we call home...
"You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should." (Max Ehrman - Desiderata)
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/20/2012 16:20
"We are the miracle of force and matter making itself over into imagination and will. Incredible. The Life Force experimenting with forms. You for one. Me for another. The Universe has shouted itself alive. We are one of the shouts."
--Ray Bradbury
chansen
Posted on: 09/20/2012 18:51
Reposted, but bears repeating:
Of course, I like the "forget Jesus" part. Jesus is just some bullshit story somebody made up or embellished for any number of selfish reasons. What we do know, is that the real reason you're here is so much more impressive than anything in the bible.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/20/2012 19:37
the mother of the 'we are starstuff' meme
birth to life to death to birth to life to death to...continuous flow
full of blessings
waterfall
Posted on: 09/20/2012 21:05
chansen wrote:
Reposted, but bears repeating:
Of course, I like the "forget Jesus" part. Jesus is just some bullshit story somebody made up or embellished for any number of selfish reasons. What we do know, is that the real reason you're here is so much more impressive than anything in the bible.
I fail to see how humans acquired virtue from a stars dust.....
chansen
Posted on: 09/20/2012 21:45
Our morals evolved, just as we did.
waterfall
Posted on: 09/20/2012 22:10
chansen wrote:
Our morals evolved, just as we did.
Starting from where?
chansen
Posted on: 09/20/2012 23:08
Baptists.
waterfall
Posted on: 09/20/2012 23:23
I think you're right! Thanks for clearing that up for me.
chansen
Posted on: 09/21/2012 00:41
Everything has humble beginnings.
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/21/2012 00:53
chansen wrote:
Reposted, but bears repeating:
Of course, I like the "forget Jesus" part. Jesus is just some bullshit story somebody made up or embellished for any number of selfish reasons. What we do know, is that the real reason you're here is so much more impressive than anything in the bible.
Actually, to summarize the link below, while 93% of the mass of the human body is stardust, only 40% of the atoms in the human body are stardust.
I love anything to do with space. I wish I could post a picture of the eastern sky at 5 in the morning this past week when Jupiter was brilliant beside the crescent moon. It was stunning!
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/25/2012 12:18
gecko46,
my mother-in-law has the Desiderata hanging in her home :3
waterfall, night-sky/low-light photography is tricky :3
Rev. Steven Davis,
*giggle* Where DID you find that article? Thanks for showing (perhaps unintentionally) chansen and my faith ;3
(and for showing how nuanced reality 'is', whatever that mythical beastie 'is)
Mendalla
Posted on: 09/25/2012 13:01
waterfall wrote:
I love anything to do with space. I wish I could post a picture of the eastern sky at 5 in the morning this past week when Jupiter was brilliant beside the crescent moon. It was stunning!
Wish I could muster the energy to get up that early to see it .
I'm also heavily into space and space exploration. Something to do with growing up during the heady days of Apollo, I think, then the early unmanned probes of the rest of the solar system (I followed Viking and Voyager quite closely). It's shaped my understanding of the world immensely to be able to understand more about the cosmos and our place in it. Should dust off my sermon on the spiritual truths I've found in studying space and post it to my blog or something. Forget if I wrote it out or just did talking points.
Mendalla
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/25/2012 13:07
InannaWhimsey wrote:
Rev. Steven Davis,
*giggle* Where DID you find that article? Thanks for showing (perhaps unintentionally) chansen and my faith ;3
Where did I find it? It's called "Google."
Anyway. Not unintentional at all. Unlike some people of faith, I have no fear of scientific truth, nor do I see the need to pit science and faith against each other. And it really makes little difference to me if we're made of stardust or big bang dust or whatever else. Life comes from God.
However, it does seem that in his desire to make his point, Lawrence Krauss is guilty of overstating his case. "Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded." Apparently not.
Mendalla
Posted on: 09/25/2012 14:46
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
However, it does seem that in his desire to make his point, Lawrence Krauss is guilty of overstating his case. "Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded." Apparently not.
What he should be saying, however, is even more amazing in a way. The ~60% that isn't starstuff? It's Big Bang stuff. It ties us back to the very beginning of matter and to the clouds of hydrogen that became the stars. Who says science can't be spiritual?
Mendalla
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/25/2012 14:54
Mendalla wrote:
Who says science can't be spiritual?
Absolutely! Science can be very spiritual, and was a big influence in my move to theism.
One connection between science and spirituality depicted here is a disciple of science apparently getting carried away by zeal and exaggerating his position!
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/26/2012 16:14
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
InannaWhimsey wrote:
Rev. Steven Davis,
*giggle* Where DID you find that article? Thanks for showing (perhaps unintentionally) chansen and my faith ;3
Where did I find it? It's called "Google."
Anyway. Not unintentional at all. Unlike some people of faith, I have no fear of scientific truth, nor do I see the need to pit science and faith against each other. And it really makes little difference to me if we're made of stardust or big bang dust or whatever else. Life comes from God.
However, it does seem that in his desire to make his point, Lawrence Krauss is guilty of overstating his case. "Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded." Apparently not.
From the precision of science to the imprecision of English; Lawrence Krauss is also a relative newcomer to the whole 'science vs. religion' current meme...
(i recommend that website i linked to if anyone wants to try to grok qm and isn't afraid of slogging through words)
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 10/31/2012 03:15
for not lying to us, for being comprehensible enough for us to grok you
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 11/01/2012 03:35
for giving us the tools, that we had to discover and learn how to use, to explore yourself, to map out your expanses, your crannies, nooks, vapours and mysteries...
Comments
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/17/2012 20:19
this one...being awestruck is Protestant ;3
gecko46
Posted on: 09/17/2012 22:19
"You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should." (Max Ehrman - Desiderata)
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/20/2012 16:20
"We are the miracle of force and matter making itself over into imagination and will. Incredible. The Life Force experimenting with forms. You for one. Me for another. The Universe has shouted itself alive. We are one of the shouts."
--Ray Bradbury
chansen
Posted on: 09/20/2012 18:51
Reposted, but bears repeating:
Of course, I like the "forget Jesus" part. Jesus is just some bullshit story somebody made up or embellished for any number of selfish reasons. What we do know, is that the real reason you're here is so much more impressive than anything in the bible.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/20/2012 19:37
the mother of the 'we are starstuff' meme
birth to life to death to birth to life to death to...continuous flow
full of blessings
waterfall
Posted on: 09/20/2012 21:05
Reposted, but bears repeating:
Of course, I like the "forget Jesus" part. Jesus is just some bullshit story somebody made up or embellished for any number of selfish reasons. What we do know, is that the real reason you're here is so much more impressive than anything in the bible.
I fail to see how humans acquired virtue from a stars dust.....
chansen
Posted on: 09/20/2012 21:45
Our morals evolved, just as we did.
waterfall
Posted on: 09/20/2012 22:10
Our morals evolved, just as we did.
Starting from where?
chansen
Posted on: 09/20/2012 23:08
Baptists.
waterfall
Posted on: 09/20/2012 23:23
I think you're right! Thanks for clearing that up for me.
chansen
Posted on: 09/21/2012 00:41
Everything has humble beginnings.
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/21/2012 00:53
Reposted, but bears repeating:
Of course, I like the "forget Jesus" part. Jesus is just some bullshit story somebody made up or embellished for any number of selfish reasons. What we do know, is that the real reason you're here is so much more impressive than anything in the bible.
Actually, to summarize the link below, while 93% of the mass of the human body is stardust, only 40% of the atoms in the human body are stardust.
http://physicscentral.com/explore/poster-stardust.cfm
waterfall
Posted on: 09/21/2012 11:11
I love anything to do with space. I wish I could post a picture of the eastern sky at 5 in the morning this past week when Jupiter was brilliant beside the crescent moon. It was stunning!
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/25/2012 12:18
gecko46,
my mother-in-law has the Desiderata hanging in her home :3
waterfall, night-sky/low-light photography is tricky :3
Rev. Steven Davis,
*giggle* Where DID you find that article? Thanks for showing (perhaps unintentionally) chansen and my faith ;3
(and for showing how nuanced reality 'is', whatever that mythical beastie 'is)
Mendalla
Posted on: 09/25/2012 13:01
Wish I could muster the energy to get up that early to see it
.
I'm also heavily into space and space exploration. Something to do with growing up during the heady days of Apollo, I think, then the early unmanned probes of the rest of the solar system (I followed Viking and Voyager quite closely). It's shaped my understanding of the world immensely to be able to understand more about the cosmos and our place in it. Should dust off my sermon on the spiritual truths I've found in studying space and post it to my blog or something. Forget if I wrote it out or just did talking points.
Mendalla
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/25/2012 13:07
Rev. Steven Davis,
*giggle* Where DID you find that article? Thanks for showing (perhaps unintentionally) chansen and my faith ;3
Where did I find it? It's called "Google."
Anyway. Not unintentional at all. Unlike some people of faith, I have no fear of scientific truth, nor do I see the need to pit science and faith against each other. And it really makes little difference to me if we're made of stardust or big bang dust or whatever else. Life comes from God.
However, it does seem that in his desire to make his point, Lawrence Krauss is guilty of overstating his case. "Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded." Apparently not.
Mendalla
Posted on: 09/25/2012 14:46
However, it does seem that in his desire to make his point, Lawrence Krauss is guilty of overstating his case. "Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded." Apparently not.
What he should be saying, however, is even more amazing in a way. The ~60% that isn't starstuff? It's Big Bang stuff. It ties us back to the very beginning of matter and to the clouds of hydrogen that became the stars. Who says science can't be spiritual?
Mendalla
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/25/2012 14:54
Who says science can't be spiritual?
Absolutely! Science can be very spiritual, and was a big influence in my move to theism.
One connection between science and spirituality depicted here is a disciple of science apparently getting carried away by zeal and exaggerating his position!
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/26/2012 16:14
Rev. Steven Davis,
*giggle* Where DID you find that article? Thanks for showing (perhaps unintentionally) chansen and my faith ;3
Where did I find it? It's called "Google."
Anyway. Not unintentional at all. Unlike some people of faith, I have no fear of scientific truth, nor do I see the need to pit science and faith against each other. And it really makes little difference to me if we're made of stardust or big bang dust or whatever else. Life comes from God.
However, it does seem that in his desire to make his point, Lawrence Krauss is guilty of overstating his case. "Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded." Apparently not.
From the precision of science to the imprecision of English; Lawrence Krauss is also a relative newcomer to the whole 'science vs. religion' current meme...
as always, reality is so full of nuance...it gets even better: atoms aren't things or don't have an individual identity...and there are causeless causes that are de rigeur for reality :3
(i recommend that website i linked to if anyone wants to try to grok qm and isn't afraid of slogging through words)
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 10/31/2012 03:15
for not lying to us, for being comprehensible enough for us to grok you
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 11/01/2012 03:35
for giving us the tools, that we had to discover and learn how to use, to explore yourself, to map out your expanses, your crannies, nooks, vapours and mysteries...