So what is a 'Canadian military base' like?

I'm guessing a tea shop...

Who is building these bases?  Haliburton?

ps countries are passe -- though I do guess they help keep the rabble in line and gather monies...

TAXES FOR ALL AND FOR ALL A GOOD KNIGHT TO SAVE you from 'us', the international corporations?

These are mostly pre-positiond supplies and equipment.

Could be anyone. Might be Canadoan Base Operators.

http://www.canadianbaseoperators.com/home.html

The bases ae intended as staging areas, presumably with some supplies in stock. They are to be activated by the use of super transport aircraft to fly in more supplies and soldiers - who can then be taken to wherever the trouble spot is.

In other words, we give ourselves the right to interfere in other countries whenever we wish. that's a long way from the days of peace keeping. It's even a long way from killing Dutch farmers in south africa so that English milliionaires could become multmillionaires.

With total spending of half a million dollars- that's half a million for ALL 6 "bases" (not each), I don't thing anyone is worried about Canada's thirst for world domination.
I know $72,000 will buy you more in some countries than others, but realistically, we're talking about a decently sized shop. Maybe 40'X40'

I know Canada is not thirsting for world domination. And if you will think for justa moment, you will realize this cannot be to build 40 X40 shops, and, indeed, the government has clearly explained what they are for.

The dominating theme of Canadian history has been our reliance on another major power - essentially for commercial purposes and, earlier, for military ones.

However, for the last 200 years and more, the only country in a position to invade Canada was the US. It did so once. It sponsored an invasion on another occasion. And it threated more military action just over a century ago.

Any attack by anybody - with the exception of the US - has been a hopeless logistics problem for at least two centuries. As well, any such attack could not be tolerated by the US since it would be a military threat to the US - and because the US now owns so much of Canada.

Britain began looking for ways to get rid  of us at least as early as 1850. It feared that a US attack would draw Britisn into a war it did not want to fight. Canada was not worth it. It was Canadians who clung to Britain.

Then Bismark created a powerhouse by uniting the Geman states. Britain did not have the manpower for the war that could create. But there was manpower available in the Empire just a the US is discovering it in NATO. As things were, the colonies were not required to fight British wars. Now Britain sought to change that. If not a legal commitment, they needed a precedent to warn Germany it would have to fight Britain, Canada, Australia, the whole Empire.

That's the British made a fuss of laurier. It also explains why it asked Canada to send troops to a war that had nothing to do with Canada - the Boer War. Laurier was reluctant. He was quite aware of what was going on.

But Canadian business (which owned most of the news media) beat the drums for war. Why? Because the Empire was their major market and major source of capital. So, to please our business people, we killed dutch farmers. And the precedent worked. We were immediately at war, fighting a British war, in 1914,

Haven't you ever wondered why the US didn't go to war in 1914? Or in 1939?

But Canadian business interests had long realized that Britain was no longer an ally. The final shift came with NAFTA. Now, it would be American wars that Canada would fight. Business was furious we did not send troops to Iraq. - and it made very sure they would be sent to Afghanistan. And so Canadian killed and died for a war that was not only illegal, but which had nothing to do with us.

Harper extended that to Libya. What is now happening -as all international law has been effectively destroyed, largely by the US, is that we are committing ourselves to fight small wars all over the world in pursuit of american interests - and to do it for unguessable decades to come.

Now,  every Nov 11, we hear speeches from ignoramuses and hypocrites about those brave lads who gave their lives to keep Canada free. Actually, they gave them to helpCanadian exports get into the US markets more easily.

The bases will probably be for relatively few soldiers - perhaps 700 or so. That's became  these will be staging bases for special ops - assassination squads, agitation, that sort of thing. they will not be staying in 40X40 shops. They will also have airfields for those giant transports. Where did you get those absurd figures for spending? And how could you believe them?

No. Canada is not setting out to conquer the world. The US is doing that. We're there as burnt offerings tto please America's nose and to keep Canadian business happy.

700 soldiers?? I'm sure you meant 7. Also they are not building airfields, these posts are being located at existing civil airports.
When you say 'super transports' do you mean the C-17's that Canada bought 4 of in 2007? The C-17's that are roughly 30% smaller than a 747? Are those the 'super transports' you mean?
I found 2 articles on the subject (1 in the National Post, 1 in the Windsor Star).
It took me quite a search to find anything on the subject. I was starting to think you just made the whole thing up (also plausible).
You want to ratchet back any of your ridiculous, over-the-top rhetoric? I didn't think so.

That's because you don't think.

1. the bases are to project "Canadian military power". that is not done with 40X40 shacks.

2. There is no final price tag is sight.

3. One Globemaster recently carried 173 troops plus equipment, weaponry and ammunition, food, etc..to Hawaii    We have four, some capable, I should think, of flying more than once.

4. Arrangements have already been made for a base capable of handling a brigade. (a brigade is three to five regiments. A regiment is about a thousand troops. A regiment is commanded by a colonel or a lieutenant-colonel. A brigade is commanded by a Brigadier-General.) I rather doubt they will be housed in a 40x40 shop.

5. one base, perhaps two, will be in potential trouble spots in Central America. Trouble spots for whom? Has Guatemala threatened to attack us? No. The only possible trouble in Central america is US subvert wars and outright invasions to hold those countries within the American empire. If you sit down with a map, you will find most of the others can be explained with the same reasoning.

Any one of these could be used to deal with a war that has nothing to do with Canada, and everything to do with American business profits. And we would be in it with no vote of parliament or even discussion. So much for Canadian self-government and the rule of law.

But I won't argue the democratic principles involved because you probably would have contempt for them.

However, the bases will store basic supplies. That means each will need a substantical garrison full time. Boy, they're going to get fed up living in a shack and peering out through the firing slits of their fortresses.

Do you know how to use Google? type Canadian military overseas bases. not hard to find.

However, the fact that you read The National Post does not give me much hope for  much intelligence to come from you.

Vintage graeme: no sources, no proof, and when met with ANY disagreement, you head straight to personal attacks.
My God man, you are full blown paranoid! You've gone completely bonkers! Read what you've wrote ( this is usually when graeme starts putting words in my mouth). Site some sources for inane rambling for once

Arguing with Graeme is fruitless. No one has tried more than me. Tip: quit now before you begin to feel like pounding your head against a wall.

Gee, EO, for a person who can't stand me, you sure follow all my posts. Obviously, this is a love-hate relationship.

alta -  I gave you piles of sources in that Google list. I also gave you the carrying capacity of Globemasters. Also sources that give you the places we are going, why they were chosen, why we're doing it, how many troops are proposed to be involved, and government announcements on the subject.

As to the issue of going to war and how it is supposed to be done in Canada, I presumed that if you ever read anything besides the National Post you would already know that. obviously, I presumed wrongly.

I suggest you drop a note to EO. You were made for each other.

Bingo!

No you didn't!  You told me to Google Canadian military overseas bases.  Which I did.  The FIRST two articles that came up corroborated the half million dollar budget, and the small warehouse with a staff of 2 or 3.

Again, NO YOU DIDN'T,  You gave a anecdote of what ONE C-17 carried ONCE.  It was accurate, but not the capacity,  AND IT'S STILL 70 FEET SHORTER THAN A 747!!

No you most certainly did not.  In all of your posts, the closest you come to a source is :

You are the person I know of that considers your imagination a credible source.

Well, you must have different google than I do because I turned up several - even the Windsor Star. Most did NOT give a budget because there is no final figure. Several mentioned the locations.

Your point about the Globemaster is silly. First, the ONCE it carred that load was by Canadian military aurthority, and it was to Hawaii. Are your suggesting our military dangerously overloaded and aircraft?

So the 747 is longer. The Globemaster still carried 173 troops plus tons of equipment. And if it was lifted and propelled entirely by butterflies, that is what it held.

there is a spiritual aspect to this. You and EO are a match made in heaven.

Graeme, you really need to work on posting links. Take your computer to a shop. Maybe they can fix it. It would improve your ability to argue.
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Ps not arguing on this topic, I know nothing about it. I'm spending too much time on the Euro crisis. I'm starting to find economics interesting. A new interest.

I have never found that posting sources makes the slightest difference. I have many times given the source of the story that the CIA organized the genocide of a quarter million Guatemala native peoples. I have never known it to change anybody's opinion.

Alta argues that he has seen sources on the Canadian bases - I think he mentioned NAtional Post. Well, if he has, why doesn't he tell us the story he has understood? And the notion he can't find it on google is simply absurd. There are many sources listed on google for that story. And i really don't think google is different on my computer.

nothing would change his mind.

Graeme I sites the Windsor Star as a source in my second post. Did I catch you lying or just not reading?
My point about the C-17 is that it is not the "super transport" you called it. It's a big plane, yes, but it's a looooong way away from being the biggest in the world.
I never, never, even once, suggested I didn't find anything via Google. That is purely your imagination. Oops, caught you lying again, although I know you have no problem with that.
So far I've sites the National Post, the Windsor Star, and I see an article in the Ottawa Citizen that says the the project may not even happen. You've sited what? The mother ship? Fairies?
You say nothing will change my mind. I say you haven't tried. I would like to point out to you that I have agreed with you before (couple times, even- I think). But I won't just blindly take your word for it.
Why should I?

I found 120,000 sources. The one which you played up was National Post - a report designed to baffle dodos, and convince them this was nothing to get excited about.

The budget was released? Not it wasn't. Just preliminary costs.

All bases included airfields - which may or may not already be there.

Just a few staff at each base. Get real. The base will be stocking military equipment which is both expensive and dangerous. Sure. We'll just have a 40X40 shop storing weapons and explosives for a regiment with three soldiers to look after it in Senegal, Kuwait and Kenya.

Common sense should tell you that you would need more than that in Toronto.

On the first page from google, I found reports from CBC, The Star, national post, and Global Research.

The Globemaster is too small? Maybe. Argue that with Harper. He's the one who bought it, not me.

The National Post Report plays the whole thing down - and even swallows the government line that these are largely for relief missions - like Haiti. But Haiti was not a relief mission. It was an american-led invasion to overthrow the elected government, and to set up one more helpful to US business. As for relief, hundreds of thousands are living in tents with no water or toilets, with little food. Their situation today is at least as desperate as it has been for a century of US control.

The intention, stated by MacKay, is to project Canadian military power. Why? Why would we want to project Canadian military power in jamaica? Senegal? Kenya? Is it realistic to t hink that a force of a thousand or so would make any great difference in such a country if there were a major distrurbance?

In fact, these are all places of profound American interest, not Canadian.

Like Britain about 1890. the US realizes it cannot control its empire and keep it growing with help. So, as in the 1890s, the US is calling in the more reliable parts of its empire (UK, Australia and Canada) to help fight it's wars.

We are now part of the American crusade to dominate the world.

But there is not the slightest possibility Alta will even consider that - or will ever be able to find the 120,000 sites on google.

A Canadian interest is the Arctic. But we have no significant defence there. That's because the US ignores us, anyway, and does whatever it wants up there.

The new bases mean we are now junior partners in the service of US dominance. Harper is our Tony Blair. He'll be a rich man some day.

I was going to post about tax havens (a separate thread). But Graeme will just work it around to his favorite theme (the US is trying to take over the world).
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Not enough other people read this section, so I changed my mind. Waste of time it would be.

Go Yoda! :3

"There is no try..."

EO - have you ever googled Project for the New American Century?

        Have  you ever wondered why the US is so eager to change governments in Africa?

       Have you ever wondered why is has overthrown democrcatically elected governments in both Guatemala and Haiti?

        Have you ever wondered why it invaded Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan?

       Have you ever wondered why it is eager for war with Syria and Iran - and is moving its fleet and much of its army to concentrate on the Pacific?

      Have you ever wondered why it has over 6,000 drones in services, and routinely uses them in Pakistan? Somalia? Yemen?

      Do you understand that when a country sends drones that it is called war?

      Have you ever looked at what intenational law and the UN and conventions say about valid and invalid reasons for going to way?

        If China were doing that, would you say it was just trying to make the world a nicer place?

        Don't waste  your time looking up tax havens. You will only believe what you want to believe, anyway.

        And you really must get over this crush on me. People are talking.

Graeme,
Bill Kristol and his crowd are passé. Totally out. Who is eager for war with Syria? That's garbage.
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No voters in the US want more wars. You speak of things that happened decades ago!
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Drones: not sure why Obama is so enamoured of them but don't give China as a counter-example. They may not use drones on foreigners, but they're pretty rough on their own citizens.
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Glad you agree I would be wasting my time on tax havens. I was going to write against them , but I won't bother. I found a whole site devoted to the topic.

EO, why do  you keep writing to me and about me? What is this fascination I hold?

As to Billy Kristol and his gang being passe, you're not only wrong. You haven't noticed that US foreign policy has not changed after Bush.

Why would the US want to break up Syria? well - 1. it's an essentially ally for Iran.  2. the US wants Iran. It has wanted it ever since it overthrew Iran's democratic government to impose a dictator in the 1950s. 3.The US is officially suppling money and weapons to the rebels. (It was unofficially supplying them from the start). 4. It is consistently defending the rebels in the UN. 5.Iran and the emirates - all among the most rigid dictatorships in the world, and closely allied to the US - are supplying the rebels. Do you seriously think they're doing it to build democracy (I'll bet you do.) 6. some destabilization in the region is good since it makes impossible to anyone to develop a regional response to western power. 7.A destabilized middle east and Africa creates the major market (apart from the US) for the American defence industry.

But the important thing is your obsession with me. I don't think I've ever been so excited - well, except for the day i got a kitten.

did you name the kitten something like Little Bastard or Ancient of Days?

and as for EasternOrthodox, maybe she's proof that free will doesn't exist?  or maybe she's secretly lusting after your mind?  or maybe she's just another example of the Eastern Orthodox (sharing that place with Catholics and atheists) tendency toward scapegoating?

Heck, graeme, you need the challenge, I think -- helps buff your lustre :3

Graeme, considering how many lies you've already told in this post, how are we to give you any credibility now?

hello, Alta. I noticed you disappeared right after going down in flames.

As to women, they're disgusting. All they want is my mind.

It all began with Carol in grade one at Crystal Springs School in Montreal......

Graeme is terrible! All the girls are after him.
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He flirts like crazy on the Last Post Thread. He keeps going after Beth Anne, but she prefers elderly visitors to her library.

Disappeared? Going down in flames? Wow, that is one hell of an imagination you've got there. I just couldn't make any sense out your addled rambling, so I ignored it.
But if it helps you sleep at night, I surrender. I give. Uncle. You are entirely right on all counts. The Canadian Army is embarking on a plan of world domination involving huge overseas bases, garrisoned by tens of thousands of our best assassination squads, delivered by planes so huge and secret they don't even exist yet.
I was wrong.
So was the Windsor Star, Ottawa Citizen, AFP, and the National Post.
All better?

just you wait alta,

soonish we'll WCers will be debating conceal and carry permits for toddlers, the proper way to Eviscerate your Enemies and proper womb masturbation techniques...

(one of these is a real world thing already)

Are you implying that there are improper womb masturbation techniques?

"once out of the womb, get a room!"
--Kimmio

That's a good question; sometimes I think that humanity is made up of 2 separate species:  those of us who are descended from bonobos

and those of us who are descended from some monotheistic, self-hating, body-horror species

And those of us who are bonobo-born really can't put the others in re-education camps; we've been trying to make sure their ability to hurt and infect other people is lessened (bless atheists etc etc)

Maybe there are those of us born who are geniuses at pleasure?  I'd like to think so...

Maybe there can be a masturbation infant olympics?

wow

Alta, I told you not to argue with him.
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Usually it's about the US trying to take over the world. No matter what topic you start with, it always comes back to that.
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That's why I've stopped starting threads. Exercise in utter frustration.
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There was a great story in the Financial Times last night about rage against the bankers, but I'm not wasting my time starting a thread. Been there, done that.

EO - that fixation is out of control.

I won't respond to alta - He/she is either just looking for arguments or is unable to read.

I know I'm just beating my head on a wall, but the lies just piss me off.  The worst of it is I should know better because I keep hearing one of my father's pearls of wisdom: "Arguing with an idiot is like mud wrestling a pig.  Sooner or later you figure out the pig is enjoying it."

Graeme's list of lies (This thread only- I don't have unlimited time)

1)  will be capable of rapid transfomation within hours into formidable attack launch sites

2)  The bases will probably be for relatively few soldiers - perhaps 700 or so

3)  Arrangements have already been made for a base capable of handling a brigade

4)  I gave you piles of sources in that Google list

5)  Also sources that give you the places we are going, why they were chosen, why we're doing it, how many troops are proposed to be involved, and government announcements on the subject.

6)  I found 120,000 sources

     I found this one especially amusing.  When google says 120,000 search results, it does not mean every one contains the entire phrase you searched

7)  We'll just have a 40X40 shop storing weapons and explosives for a regiment

I'm sorry if I missed any.  Again, I don't have unlimited free time on my hands.

this is your kind of guy, EO.

*courtesy*

I find it particularly telling, graeme, that you do not deny lying.

Graeme,
Evil Americans are pulling out of Afghanistan.
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What would you say to these people, if you can bring yourself to read The New York Times?
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/08/02/world/asia/ap-as-afghan-feari...

Alta,
Graeme is not lying. Rather he does not believe anything you have linked to. I stopped serious posting when Graeme revealed that he does not care about your sources! Pah! He knows better.

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Read this thread, where he lays it all out. He simply knows. Whereas as you (and me) are ignorant, uneducated lumenproles compared to him.
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http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/politics/sources-and-big-picture

Where do I sign up to be a lumpenprole?

Is it just us three or are there more to our club?

Do we have a slogan?

Everyone but Graeme is an automatic member!

Why do I feel I'm being followed?

graeme,

it's your handsome caboose we like.  get struttin's so we can continue swooning

it's such a curse to be both handsome and charming....