And that is just in 'our' galaxy, of which there are billions...

8.8 billion in 'ours'

If we ever find that there is teeming life on millions of planets,

How would that affect your religion?

(I am presuming that Jesus did not visit )

 

Finding the existence of life on just "one" other planet is bound to change our religion. Finding the existence of life on "millions" of other planets will most assuredly change religion. Especially the belief that Jesus was the one and "only" Son of God. Which to me just simply does not make any sense.

It makes no real difference to my religion because I see the whole of existence as sacred space. Whether there is 1 inhabited world or billions makes no difference. If anything, it enhances it as the diversity of life is only going to broaden and deepen if there are many inhabited worlds rather than one. It is a big, beautiful, wonder-filled universe and that is core to my personal faith.

 

Mendalla

 

How would it affect my religion ....hmmmmm.... very uncomfortable!

Wonderful!

That would be a small step closer to a better realization on what sort of diversity and size scales that a God would have to deal with.    And why do we imagine that other lifeforms mimick our so called sexual / gender binary?

A measely small handful of millions of stars with sentient life in our little galaxy ......    And there is a universe of billions of galaxies!!!     Now we are talking mind blowing scales!

Just the thought of the possibility is humbling..... 

Now there is the stuff to make a proper religion out of  ... a religion that we do not control...

Thank you for this thread .... a chance to dream a bit....

Rita

 

I agree with what Mendalla said.

Hi Neo --Please read John1:  3. I believe you will find all things were made by Jesus The Christ. I also believe you will find . He and He alone was made by GOD an is of GOD. Now John did they say how far the nearst planet is to earth? Also how long it would take a man or woman to get there? --airclean33

John,

Are you proposing a dark Star ... or Tares program?

 

"(I am presuming that Jesus did not visit )"

 

In the darkness is absorpion of the light. The brighter ones don' believe they need to suck up much. No clue on infinite capacity theosis ...

 

Just blows the Shadows away ... and thus wisdom fades ... a modern phenomenon noted by observers ... visionaries?

 

Good Lo'RD could this come back at us like an Ego in vertical shift? That'd be Airclean's a'dress all blown up over the rear ... like a Rockwell Painting ... subtle and discrete in meaning about what follows ...

Mortals get nothing without stories ... just too dense about the effect of sects ...

 

Why the brae -in is ... di verse ephi'd? Some cannot accept nothing but the monolithic form ... just dark ...

So what do say about the Lord Krishna also having been the creator of all existence?

Do you suggest, like some have foolishly said, that after the Christ they
went back to the Bhagavad-Gita and added these parts so that Krishna would appear to have the same legends as the Christ? I think it was Blackbelt who came up with this fantastical suggestion.


Both the Lord Krishna and the Christ we're perfect "replicas", or "images", if you like, of the creative powers of the universe and therefore were both claimed to be the Son of God and were both claimed to be synonymous with The Word.

This is a good point that many say is why UFO's don't exist. Even travelling at near light speed it would years, if not thousands of years, for aliens to reach Earth.


But very few people suggest the possibility that theses UFO' originate from with our own Solar System. We always expect life to be in physical form like we are. What if these beings exist in the so-called "dark matter" of the Universe? We may only see them in sightings because they want to be seen. i.e. They lower their vibration just enough to seen. Perhaps they could, if they wanted to, lower the vibration of their craft to actually be physical, as it's suggested that this is what happened at Roswell. Eventually that craft would've disappeared, back into the "ether" of dark matter.

 

It's estimated that the nearest earth-like planet to us that would be capable of supporting life as we know it is about 12 light years away. With our current technology it would take about 730,000 years to get there from what I've read.

 

 

But what if aliens were semi-transparent and ethereal in nature and lived to be millions of years old? We would seem like fruit flies to them.

Fruit flies in space ... would they appear like Ba-Tz ... those small spots crossing my eyes when I read too much? I think the primitive people of the UK called them Pics (pixies?) and today we call eM pixels of non-light ... mere shadow on the mind. Is the mind non definitive; indeterminate function? Is that abstract? UFO's of the dark order ... free from learing *i*'z! If you could just imagine in the rear right quandrant of kahn space ... inner dimension ...

 

Then if you believe mind, psyche and conscience doesn't exist ... then perhaps maybe it doesn't from your perspective ... you have no Shadow to encounter ... and thus would know nothing (if the Shadow has all that is to be known).

 

If one misses perspective of consciousness; would they not know the difference in good and evil?

 

OH, oh ... that opens a dark area of sociopathic or pathological disturbance ... doesn't it!

 

How would one know whether one was in or out of such a numbinous existence? Perhaps take one eL've a Cos MO*logical dunk'n ... Ba phtha-ism in that which isn't!

 

The id*iL of nut'n emerges from the buried shell ... sort of like rebirth of aÐ'm-ism and huge swirls of farkals* ...

 

* Farkals: a term my older daughter, when about 2, called glowing applications on the wall ... stranger things under the midnight sun? Could one understand if you didn't look deep in the dark. How deep is a word? Abstract humur without hue ... that'd be Black Gnoe? Does black stick? Only with specific binders ... and old printers say keep them outa the strong light ... or the words fase ... like thoughts in non-existent dimensions like psychic or paranormal functions of that thinking sensation! It may be distant or farce ID if you understand foreign intellect in the convention of Webster ( a gathering of words?).

 

Now is that convoluted or what ... wend space ... that scion of the dark ...

Imagine how many "Are we there yet?" questions from the kids that would translate into.

Omega'd the things that are presented to us for question ... and then there are those that question nothing; mistakingly they believe they know everything (god) something that happens to polity in both blind faith groups and science that thinks theya re at the end of things they don't know ... eveything is undercontrol!

 

Then of course the conception of a boxed god is like christmas ... sort of an ill advised myth of giving, when it is mostly a time set aside to take ...

 

Have these people looked about lately at the degrading of the very thing that supports us? Could this be mire (dirt) satire of the finest misunderstanding ...

 

Are we there yet? No!

 

But pretty close to becoming completely unraveled ...

 

 

LOL!!!! ..... Best Line award to chansen for this one!

Rita

 

We would also likely be completely unable to communicate with them and may not even recognize them as sapients. They would simply be too alien.

 

This is something that s-f and speculation about alien life in general frequently misses (Trek and Who are bad for it). Because of the need for the stories to be relatable, the aliens, even the ones who are physically vastly different from us, end up as metaphors for some aspect or other of the human condition. Think of the jellyfish aliens from the pilot for Star Trek : The Next Generation holding hands. The final message of the story is that they simply wanted to be together like human lovers. Would jellyfish-like beings the size of large asteroids who are capable of living in the radiation and hard vacuum of outer space really be that much like us?

 

Among s-f writers, H. P. Lovecraft may come closer to the reality, though he saw only horror in the conclusion. His ancient, powerful, seemingly immortal aliens (e.g. Cthulhu) seem like gods to us but without any interest, benign or malign, towards us. We are there and they may toy with us, ignore us, or inadvertantly step on us like bugs but they do not understand us and may not even recognize us as intelligences.

 

Mendalla

 

Intelligence, information, data ...

 

Is it strange for this to be shunned by many emotional authority as impossible stuff of soul ... a vastly transparent energy like Light and Levity? If one is ignorant ot "IT" will it turn its back on that one? Perhaps leading to the myth you can only see such ideal-isms (gods) going ...

 

• If intelligence is related to words; does greater wisdom require greater vocabulary? Now there's a stretch of some angst to those that don't wish to approach such a tree ... (lo'psi)
• In reciprocal form; how does empathy for intelligence relate to everything? A sublime and humble talent often buried ...
• Perhaps everything (aL'over) empathy is thus multidimensional! That would be the chits (wee details) fro one-way operations, would it not ... like gods and demons at war and gods encompassing the daemons unconsciously, so that they couldn't think ... just to give the primal thoughtless ones a lesson ...

There are some grand imaginary images of that sort of "out-of-'ere" intellect that requires some of that far side of the soul to imagine un-imaginable images of fractal, multidimensional stuff of mixed hues ... rainbow populations of soul? What a spectre to envision ehby ... a rendering of Hebre roots in the depth of soul, and old tree to be sure! This is noted as unreal, complex or imaginary to some visionaries (observers).

 

Many don't believe in this so they cannot conceive alien dimensions that close to eM! What Jesus said about heaven and hell in close quarters? Je Sues Wit ... quantum alchemii ...  that non-broad-based souls could not see in the narrow RIFFs of their being ...

 

If someone tells you not to process intellect, (or think about knowledge) do you question their motive opporendi ... as corrupt MO's? that could leave you in a hole, Nus or Pit of depressive nature ... the tense powers about ownership and space in heaven would eliminate all they could out of excessive love ... avarice?

 

They couldn't dream of anything alternate ...

 

 

I loved the jelly fish in that TNG Star Trek. Though concepts like that doesn't discount the possibility of a sci-fi world of human like extra-terrestrials. This subject brings up a whole new way of looking at the Universe. Let me explain how I see it...

 

I believe "humanoids" to be likely throughout the Universe. Once life on other worlds is accepted and proven we probably wouldn't be too surprised to find plants and even animals, life that is aware of its surroundings. They wouldn't look like the plants and animals that are on Earth, but just as we witness an incredible diversity of plants and animals on Earth, it's not hard to imagine new kind of plants and animals.

 

 

If we can accept that there is a subtle but very distinct difference between humans and animals, that being the invisible quality of being "self aware", then it would seen reasonable that human-like beings could be found in the universe. Sure, to look anything like us, they'd probably would have to have come from a world where there were ape-like animals, to-wit come our physical form, but that isn't that unlikely, not with the choice of maybe 8 billions planets.
 

 

 

And what about after humans? What does the God-Aware look like? To be honest, I would have to say "anything They'd like to". And I use that capitalization to denote a Beings in our Universe who not only totally "get's it", but those who are also so totally in "control of it" that they become "masters of the elements". They are the "Ascended Masters of of Wisdom", the Ones who are going about God's business doing "greater things" in our world.

 

 

And what about life forms "above" the Masters? Let me ask this: what if our planet itself had an Awareness of cosmic proportions? In this way God would truly and literally be "in heaven" and we would be "living and breathing and having our being with Him". And if the Christ, standing at the supreme Head of this Hierarchy of Masters on Earth, reached this apex of being Human, then it would not be as if He stood at the "right hand of God"?

 

 

Nobody made mention of my suggestion above that the ufo sightings in the world have been originating from within our own Solar System, e.g. via the "dark" energy and dark matter of today's science. Too bizarre? Not likely possible? It's been suggested that these great Beings within our Solar System are themselves Masters of Wisdom, but from another one of our planets. In this way the whole Solar System is working together as a Unified Whole, a Hierarchy of Hierarchies of God-Aware. in constant telepathic communication with each other.

 

 

The UFO light ships have been purposefully showing their existence though sightings and today with physical crop circles. They have been sighted, for instance, over and over again around our nuclear facilities, I wouldn't doubt at all that they'd be very concerned about the power we've acquired and the lack of wisdom we still show in using it. Could this affect Their realm of dark matter?

 

Anyways, these are some of my musings on this rainy Remembrance Day weekend on the West Coast. Maybe we shouldn't focus so much on looking for life in other solar systems as we should on seeing the Life before our very eyes.

 

Cheers.

I'd guess that there are planets with the right conditions for life that are so huge, we could be fruit flies by comparison - even quarks.
Unimaginably large, cells, plants, animals and beings...
Staggering.

http://sizeofworldse.ytmnd.com

Ok, but I'm going for Cuttlefish...

Green blood, three hearts, intelligent...

You mean like trees and plants do here?

 

 

Now that I've got to think about.

A very interesting post!

 

 

 

"in" I think would be more reasonable than "found", but I quibble.  
: 

 

And don't give up on inter- galaxy travel! 

That'll give us a billion more times that mere 8 billion...

 

You know, I think we have a loooong way to go,

 

...or just relaxing, watching the show, smoking cigars...

 

I thing that star systems and galaxies form a living, thinking entity...with a cold. Watch oft for the smeezing!  

 

...and have life and live it abundantly

 

Cheers back atcha!

This is where, I believe, you are totally off the mark. The great Elders of the race have either moved on to greater realms of service in the universe or they have remained behind in an act of pure love and sacrifice to work with the evolution of the human race. Just as humans will eventually take their role of domain over the animals and the general well being of the world, so is there is place in the hierarchy for the Teachers of the race to help humanity. The great Teachers are responsible for placing great ideas and visions in the Mental plane, waiting for the advanced of humanity to "tune into them". Visions that come "out of the blue" or "in dreams" originated and were actually placed there by these Teachers of the race. They work tirelessly and without need for recognition, for the advancement of the human race means the advancement of the Planetary Logos, the "Becoming" of the Lord that expresses Itself through our Earth.


The very idea that these Teachers even existed at all seems to have been lost to our exoteric, everyday knowledge. But myths of "men made perfect" and of "gods walking on Earth with mankind" bear witness to their existence.


"Thy kingdom come" will be the manifestation (again) of the next kingdom of nature on Earth. Humanity plays a very important role in the Universe as we are "the thinkers", the middle kingdom of nature with one foot on earth and other foot in the realms of the spiritual realities, (and this is why I think that they are a constant in the Universe, though could look like cuddle fish in some worlds).
The Master's job is to make us aware of our place in nature. Soon, very soon, these great Teachers are said to walk among us one more time. And this time they will be introduced by the greatest Teacher of them all, the Teacher of Teachers and the Master of Masters, the Christ Himself.


So from my point of view, it's kind of amusing to think of these great Masters just sitting back, smokin' cigars, etc, watching the wheels go round. Rather, they must be feeling rather anxious that they are about to walk among us again. They've spent their wholes lives living in the remote mountains and desert regions of the world, and now they are going to start "talking" again and working (e.g.teaching the Art of Living) with everyday kind of people like us. It must be kind of terrifying for them when you think about it. But I'm sure they know the plan and their role in that plan and are willing to do so intelligently and lovingly.


Sorry to go off topic a bit John, but to me this is about life and science, for the latter will eventually prove, without any doubt, the existence of the unseen world, (the "dark" matter will become "light" matter). Everything will become as new again, like it was a new Earth and a new Heaven.


Cheers.

"Mental Plain!"

 

Is that thnking "out there" ... like crazy? The old great Teachers said knowledge was evil ... so what could one mentally conclude about out-there-plain?

 

Is a thought expressed on paper outside the head ... explicit?

 

As one "who plays with mentalities" does this leave me odd or just a wee chit ... thiny bit phun-i in-de head?

 

Something like this, I imagine: 

Cynical (or Buddhist) comment.
Being "Self Aware" isn't necessarily all it's cracked up to be IMO. Prevents one from getting out of their own way and just Being.
In that regard, most animals are "smarter" and better adapted. So how's that "intelligence" working for us?

Humans really screwed themselves by "evolving" with war and greed.
At least we can entertain ourselves with our thoughts.
I think I'm just tired...

"Are we there yet?"

 

"Only seven million more light years."

 

"Space doesn't really exist; we are always there."

 

Pick your answer. If you are not into either-or, pick both.

 

It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world.

 

 

Many of us are getting just tired of this chitty attitude of winning ... just for one's elf!

 

Then is thinking of the other a bit of martyr-ism?

 

Then there's: "Greater love ..." and the man humbly fails ...

 

Appears the only way to cross that invisible line and be ...

 

Another person's thoughts ... È Rues of Ç' Aaron ... the poetry of expanded thoughts ... away from the possessive side ... Exorcism speaks volumes ... and another thought wanders ...

 

What is it that man said: "God talks to you you're crazy ..."

 

In a crazy world if truth is heard your insane as we live in the place of lies ... a constant ...

 

Is it time for a change ... just to save the greater soul of humanity?

Arm,

I believe I'll go to the flip side ... what Dr. John Dourley called the catatonic state ... where only pondring of such space is allowed as abstract ... imaginary to many ...

 

Paul Harvey called it something else again ... the crap one has to cross to get there, like a pain as all the crap is smouldering ... inij'n pyre walkers? Like angels and damons at point ... Ba'aL arenas? Could get the Valcaries move'n ...

 

"Are we there yet?"

 

"Only seven million more light years."

 

"Space doesn't really exist; we are always there."

 

Pick your answer. If you are not into either-or, pick both.

 

It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world.

7 MM light years a space that depends on your implicit stretch of the indelible sol' thing-heh ...

 

many cannot see IT ...

I know this image is huge, but give it time. We're talking the universe here, so it's going to be big.

 

In reverse don't disturb the master ... chi's at rest ... after screwing about with the dark side of soule/sole! You didn't know this was known as abstraction? Some say it is related to "i" the upstanding imaginary icon that is used sometimes as 1 ... a singularity and it goes on from there ... as the shadow was shafted and poked at ...

 

So many points to relate; infinite alchemii ...

 

Now is a Supercluster like excessive Ecclesia ... in finite gathering? Could cause a burst of giggles or a'gapë (note the silent Heh) in blast of plasma, once known as humur, and other times as dark spirit ... not unlike satire and miss construed cynicism since you cannot give constructive criticism to gods ... work like the devil at unseen scripts ... subtle-like ...

 

Thus the evolution of dark word afloat as flotsam and jetsum that few will plow through ... and the creation  of the lower sister Urn ... something bringing tha fallen about ... what is up must go down ... Gravid Rule! Leaves som bouncing for not knowing what IT Salient about ...

I can't even SEE the mark...but when did you learn of their two options?

Being a great elder myself

 

 

(i.e., I am large and old) :) (I HEARD you scowel :-)

I'm interested in your source material...

 

(Ever run into a book called :OAHSPE?)
 

 

Believing that there's life out there somewhere, without actually knowing that there is, just because there is evidence to suggest it might be true........sounds like religion to me.

 

Really? You don't get the difference between saying that with the billions of galaxies out there the probabiliy that there is at least one more planet with the capability of supporting life is greater than zero, and saying that God definitely exists and here's the book that explains how to make him happy?

 

 

Not really.

 

Only that you glorify your opinion more.

Some science is believed fixedly ... but they can't see this as religion ...

 

And the lie and white lyon goes on as a mire lamb to enscribe a myth upon ... so it appears dark on the outside to support denial and de Lucean de "sar" ... black sheep and dark a'satire are thus much the same ...

 

Did I say de "sar" was an  old word for de head? De head of what? That's as yeti*ndeterminate NOS ...

 

I'yam not about yet to tell yah for the time is not yet ripe ... at least for that breadfruit to fall from detris ... detrius? Close to a triad of Black Loupes ... causing entanglement of Strings and corrupt fabrications that add to the joey ... and yes he bounces in the pits sometimes known as de Nus ... like a "V" appearing upright (lambda) as capital in Greek when the sun shines down it ...

 

Who was it that the millstone fell upon, and requested to be speared so it wouldn't be known that he was put down by the ephraim d' genre ... ?

 

A good myth can sometimes bring you to your knees ... lo'ring you below the line of sight of the other ...

chansen ....  ... the scale of the cosmos series of pictures you posted ....

A keeper!!!! ....... I love the last picture in the series .... right on!

...now as for the point made my waterfall .... seems to me the quite a good point....

Don't worry chansen  ... I don't think religion will get icky God stuff all over you... (no allusion to your picture series intended)....

Regards

Rita

 I hope we run into a few good m'n there who can think and care  about alternate perspectives ... good men are Eire here ... almost ethereal!

Did I mention the apostheosis of isolated m'n, a dark and mysterious isolation in Hebrew perspective ... 

On one hand, we have an observation that we can only see an infinitely small fraction of the planets in the known universe, at least well enough to determine if they support life. From this small sample set, we know that the Earth is the only one to support life. It doesn't take a math wiz to recognize that if one of a small collection of planets supports life, then there is a chance that many life-supporting planets exist within a much larger collection of planets.

 

On the other hand, we have a text handed down, that tells stories about a God and sets forth rules and rituals.

 

And you can't see the difference that makes one a religion, and the other, not. That's a textbook example of willful ignorance.

Great scale of the universe montage Chansen. The last image could have also said "I am the one and only Son of God". But yours was more funny... makes you put things into perspective about the things we worry about.


“Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.”
- George Carlin

 

No, waterfall, it is not religion. It is mathematics.

 

Given the immensity of the universe, there is a mathematical probabilty that there are planets with life elsewhere in the universe, intelligent life, even. Although these intelligent life forms would probably look different from us, if they are inelligent, then they'd be capable of logic, and woudl be like us in this regard. And some of these intelligent life forms could well have religion. I'd be curious to know what it is. Not Christianity, I'm sure.

 

 

 

Hi Neo-- you posted---

Hi Neo --Please read John1:  3. I believe you will find all things were made by Jesus The Christ. I also believe you will find.

 

So what do say about the Lord Krishna also having been the creator of all existence?-

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Airclean--  I do not follow this  kroshna.  I follow Jesus the Christ.  If others chose different that is up to them.  Have a good day.. airclean33

 

Arm, I love astromomy, but what you're describing isn't mathematics, it's fiction, infused with a hope and a belief.

Sorry, Arm is right. It's math. Stick your hand in a 55 gallon drum of M&Ms and pull out a handful. One is blue (Earth). It's not religion, faith or fiction to predict that if you investigated the entire drum, there would be more blue M&Ms, and you just can't see them yet.

 

Maybe there isn't, but the prediction is that there are more blue ones around.

 

No, I've never heard of OAHSPE before. But my source material originates from the same time period with H.P. Blavatsky. It's then followed up by the Alice Bailey material, written around the time of the great wars. And then finally with the Benjamin Creme material from the the late 1970's up to our present time.


1. http://www.blavatsky.net/

2. http://www.lucistrust.org/en/books/ponder_on_this/ponder_online/contents

3. http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-10.htm


None of the above is readily accepted by the orthodox Christian, but where in the Bible does it say wisdom will only come from the man-made religions that formed after Christ? All of the above sources originate from one or another of the great Masters of the Ancient Wisdom, and are preparatory to the reappearance of the Christ, Who holds the position of the supreme Head of the Hierarchy of Elders of the human race.


And I know you are old John, {wink}, but these "elders" are the ones who have completed the goal of human evolution and have gone beyond the "wheel of necessity". They now look back with a helping hand to those who struggle the same battle that they have in the past. See http://www.lucistrust.org/en/books/ponder_on_this/ponder_online/contents... for a good synopsis on who these Masters are, and remember that the word "occult" is always used in it's strictest sense of the word as "to cover up", like when the "Moon occults the Sun".


There is enough reading material above, in conjuction with our ancient scriptures and our modern day philosohies and sciences, to last a lifetime and more. If one seeks the truth, the real truth, it can be found, but we have to approach this truth, says Maitreya, with a sincerity of spririt, an honesty of mind, and a willingness not be attached (forever) to our beliefs of old. For once we have outgrown our old beliefs then they become millstones around our neck if we don't move on. Our beliefs serve a purpose to push us forward, but they can also hold us back to the greater truths. A good example of this is the differences between Newtonian physics and Einsteinian physics, as one stands on the shoulders of the other.


Cheers

I'd be quite concern if you followed "krosnha" Airclean. You're missing the point that I was trying to make. How is it that the same legends that have been attributed to Christ are also attributed to figures like Krishna? To answer this question doesn't require you to follow another religion, it's asking you to use mind and not follow others like the blind following the blind. Open your mind and you may find you have eyes to see and ears to hear. Christ is not looking for the blind, despite what your religion is suggesting, He is trying to awaken us.

Dose this mean Chansen really dose have a GOD who's name is science? WOW.

 

It's faith or fiction if "you just can't see them yet".

I can look at those billions and billions of stars with mathematical laws, chaos and order and see God's immense power. I could see there's room for both.

 

Although I've said this before, to me it would be more amazing, awesome and fearsome if our planet is the only one that did support life in the universe.

 

They are accepting applications now for a oneway ticket to Mars by the way. We could always plant life somewhere to find similar life on another planet. :)

Hi Neo -- I am trying very hard not to step on your toes. Of  course I have eyes and ears. I see today that there are those, like yourself who want to make it look like all beliefs have many things in common  with christain belief They want you to hear these words  or if you want tickle your ears. As a Christain that is a false teaching to me. My belief is in one GOD one son begotten of this GOD . He being the only way to GOD.Any other way is a (DEAD) end rd. Why would I drive up and down dead end roads? I Believe The Way Of Christ is The road that leads to GOD in my belief. If you believe fifferent then you are free to do so. May you have a good day.  --airclean33