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Mark of the Beast

Scientist today Claim Human Microchip Implants Will Become “Not Optional”, in a world economic system that it is needed to work and live for even the basics niceties as food or banking. The upside is , you will be tracked 24/7, 365 day a yr till you die, a slave to the system.

 

To gain access to official services, you’ll need to be a verified human. Without verification you won’t even be able to purchase a six pack of beer, let alone get medical care or a driver’s license

And it is easy to imagine what a government could do with this kind of technology. It could use it to literally track the movements and behavior of everyone. Pre crime police against the state!

And one day, this kind of technology will likely be so pervasive that you won’t be able to open a bank account, get a credit card or even buy anything without having either your hand or your face scanned first

 

No doubt we are headed there, so is Revelations 13 really that far fetched???

 

 

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Well, if it's on Fox News, it must be true!

 

Wait....the images are actually hosted at:

 

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/

 

OMFG. Blackbelt, that site is concentrated stupidity. How did you find it?

 

Blazing Cat Fur has competition. They could have a derp-off.

 

 

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Conspiracy theory. Unless you live in one of the very few untouched tribes in the Amazon, everyone's already inumerated. We're already numbers in a system. It's been that way since the early Roman Empire, it was just less sophisticated then. There are human rights and ethics groups nothing to do with religion already questioning the ethics of the chip implant system. Conceivably, even politicians and cops would need them too, because they are also just people and the idea is going to be questionable not just to the 'little people'.

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Chansen, the chip implant has been invented and the companies want to get it on the market. That much is true. It is disconcerting.

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chansen wrote:

Well, if it's on Fox News, it must be true!

 

actually its not only on fox news, many golbal bankers and presendents have gone on record.

 

George Herbert Walker Bush: September 11, 1990: “Out of these troubled times, our objective—a new world order—can emerge. Today, that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we have known.”

George Herbert Walker Bush: “What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea—a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind... based on shared principles and the rule of law... The illumination of a thousand points of light... The winds of change are with us now.”

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization

 

 

 

 socity is  being conditioned  ,,,, a transhumanist society,,, baa baa 

 

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Kimmio, get a grip. What do you think we've been doing to pets for years?!? Of course this technology is around. It's the whole "Not Optional" part of this hack job that is just insane. It's too hilarious to be taken seriously. It's meant to get simple people up in arms over a problem that doesn't exist.

 

We're already tracked by our credit and debit card purchases, "reward" cards, and of course, our SIN numbers, health cards and driver's licences. We can opt out of some tracking, but some tracking is good, or else police wouldn't be able to notify your next of kin if they find you after a vehicle collision.

 

As for Revelation 13, it remains an ancient acid trip.

 

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chansen wrote:

Kimmio, get a grip. What do you think we've been doing to pets for years?!? Of course this technology is around. It's the whole "Not Optional" part of this hack job that is just insane. It's too hilarious to be taken seriously. It's meant to get simple people up in arms over a problem that doesn't exist.

 

 

really, so you dont see that the world is going towards a cashless system uh, you think plastic will remain in you back pocket for ever?

 

 

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We're already tracked by our credit and debit card purchases, "reward" cards, and of course, our SIN numbers, health cards and driver's licences.

 

yep and all will end up on one place, your chip

 

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We can opt out of some tracking

 

 

for now 

 

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, but some tracking is good, or else police wouldn't be able to notify your next of kin if they find you after a vehicle collision.

 

 

freedom or the ability to find my next of kin really fast ,,, hmmmm hard choice 

 

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As for Revelation 13, it remains an ancient acid trip.

 

 

but soon comming to a theater near you  

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chansen wrote:

Well, if it's on Fox News, it must be true!

 

actually its not only on fox news, many golbal bankers and presendents have gone on record.

 

George Herbert Walker Bush: September 11, 1990: “Out of these troubled times, our objective—a new world order—can emerge. Today, that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we have known.”

George Herbert Walker Bush: “What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea—a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind... based on shared principles and the rule of law... The illumination of a thousand points of light... The winds of change are with us now.”

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization

 

 

 

 socity is  being conditioned  ,,,, a transhumanist society,,, baa baa 

Blackbelt, you're a Christian. It's Christians who identify with sheep. Remember the crap about "The Lord is my sheppard?" I don't care to be a sheep, and I'm also not so easily alarmed that I think you have any point here. You posted an idiotic blog entry, meant to send dolts into a tizzy.

 

Don't fall for that crap. Think for a second. How would that work? What politician would get elected on that platform? What doctors would perform the insertion? Why would people accept this? Nothing passes as close to believable.

 

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chansen wrote:

Kimmio, get a grip. What do you think we've been doing to pets for years?!? Of course this technology is around. It's the whole "Not Optional" part of this hack job that is just insane. It's too hilarious to be taken seriously. It's meant to get simple people up in arms over a problem that doesn't exist.

 

 

really, so you dont see that the world is going towards a cashless system uh, you think plastic will remain in you back pocket for ever?

 

 

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We're already tracked by our credit and debit card purchases, "reward" cards, and of course, our SIN numbers, health cards and driver's licences.

 

yep and all will end up on one place, your chip

 

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We can opt out of some tracking

 

 

for now 

 

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, but some tracking is good, or else police wouldn't be able to notify your next of kin if they find you after a vehicle collision.

 

 

freedom or the ability to find my next of kin really fast ,,, hmmmm hard choice 

 

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As for Revelation 13, it remains an ancient acid trip.

 

 

but soon comming to a theater near you  

 

How have you managed to evade common sense this long?

 

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Yes. I like to have my personal identity intact. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the idea that everything about a person can be loaded and tracked on a microchip implanted in our bodies. We're not dogs. Also, imagine the possibility for human error were there to be a glitch in these chips or readers. Or, hacking. It's kind of a nightmare distopian scenario that people, with logical brains, are considering- because it's better to consider it than not and have it happen. The idea is being pushed for, for profit and convenience, but is something that ethicists have a bone or two to pick about, thankfully.

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chansen wrote:

blackbelt1961 wrote:

chansen wrote:

Well, if it's on Fox News, it must be true!

 

actually its not only on fox news, many golbal bankers and presendents have gone on record.

 

George Herbert Walker Bush: September 11, 1990: “Out of these troubled times, our objective—a new world order—can emerge. Today, that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we have known.”

George Herbert Walker Bush: “What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea—a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind... based on shared principles and the rule of law... The illumination of a thousand points of light... The winds of change are with us now.”

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization

 

 

 

 socity is  being conditioned  ,,,, a transhumanist society,,, baa baa 

Blackbelt, you're a Christian. It's Christians who identify with sheep. Remember the crap about "The Lord is my sheppard?" I don't care to be a sheep, and I'm also not so easily alarmed that I think you have any point here. You posted an idiotic blog entry, meant to send dolts into a tizzy.

 

 

so lets say you do get chiped, for aruuments sake, you dont see yourself a slave to the ecomomic system?

yes Im a christian but do you relise there are non christians who see this coming aswell, one famouse athiest is 

 

tada 

See video

 

 

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Kimmio wrote:
Yes. I like to have my personal identity intact. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the idea that everything about a person can be loaded and tracked on a microchip implanted in our bodies. We're not dogs. Also, imagine the possibility for human error where there to be a glitch in these chips or readers. It's kind of a nightmare distopian scenario that people, with logical brains, are considering. The idea is being pushed for, for profit and convenience, but is something that ethicists have a bone or two to pick about, thankfully.

 

Implant technology is being pushed because some people need implantable defibrillators!

 

FFS, people! Implantable devices are being developed to save lives! Not track your every move. That makes zero sense, Besides, if it's implanted, and you don't want it, you could have it removed. It makes no sense on any level to even try this, besides the whole guaranteed election loss for anyone who suggests it.

 

This sort of hoax is to get people like Blackbelt to jump up and down and make a tenuous connection to the bible. It plays well on right-wing nutjob blogs and email lists. It serves as one more example of what insanity religion can open you up to.

 

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Chansen, it's not that far fetched to think it could happen in the fairly near future. There was an article in huffpost the other day about transhuman tech and ethics. Not specifically the chip, but other disturbing technologies. I'll try to find it....

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People already have stints and pacemakers that use digital technology- but this is different.

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so lets say you do get chiped, for aruuments sake, you dont see yourself a slave to the ecomomic system?

yes Im a christian but do you relise there are non christians who see this coming aswell, one famouse athiest is 

 

tada 

See video

 

Congrats. You found a crazy atheist who thinks we're all going to be chipped. I assume, because he doesn't say that in the interview you posted.

 

Tell you what, Blackbelt, I confess. Obviously, the jig is up. I'm an agent of Satan and I'm here to implant you with a tracking device. I will use this device to nefariously turn all the stop lights red as you approach and ensure someone ahead of you in the grocery line has at least one item that won't scan.

 

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This is old.  It went around the internet a while ago.  I put it into the same catetory as internet stuff like the breast cancer antiperspirant link.

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Kimmio wrote:
Chansen, it's not that far fetched to think it could happen in the fairly near future. There was an article in huffpost the other day about transhuman tech and ethics. Not specifically the chip, but other disturbing technologies. I'll try to find it....

Oh, no! Not the Huffington Post!

 

Now my argument will surely be ruined.

 

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Kimmio wrote:
Yes. I like to have my personal identity intact. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the idea that everything about a person can be loaded and tracked on a microchip implanted in our bodies. We're not dogs. Also, imagine the possibility for human error where there to be a glitch in these chips or readers. It's kind of a nightmare distopian scenario that people, with logical brains, are considering. The idea is being pushed for, for profit and convenience, but is something that ethicists have a bone or two to pick about, thankfully.

 

Implant technology is being pushed because some people need implantable defibrillators!

 

FFS, people! Implantable devices are being developed to save lives! Not track your every move. That makes zero sense, Besides, if it's implanted, and you don't want it, you could have it removed. It makes no sense on any level to even try this, besides the whole guaranteed election loss for anyone who suggests it.

 

 

 

zero sense?,  well if your not a good slave , we'll just turn off your chip

 

See video

 

 

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chansen wrote:

 

FFS, people! Implantable devices are being developed to save lives! Not track your every move. That makes zero sense, Besides, if it's implanted, and you don't want it, you could have it removed.

 

Lots of some pretty cool medical devices will come about from this I think.

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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5174265

This is more of a warning article about the over-reaches of technology if humans aren't aware and careful.

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Thanks, chemgal.

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Kimmio wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5174265 This is more of a warning article about the over-reaches of technology if humans aren't aware and careful.

 

Sure, but you could say that about quite a bit of current technology too.  It still doesn't fit the mark of the beast IMO.

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I don't have blind faith in 'systems' reliant on tech though. I don't think it's wise.

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chemgal wrote:

Kimmio wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5174265 This is more of a warning article about the over-reaches of technology if humans aren't aware and careful.

 

Sure, but you could say that about quite a bit of current technology too.  It still doesn't fit the mark of the beast IMO.

 

mabey we should define what the mark of the beast is 

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Or, we could say, the 'mark of the beast' is about power and control- allegory for it rather than some future conspiracy- and has been around as long as humanity and is nothing new. Who's to say it's some Western ideology? What about all the populations of people that have suffered corrupt governments and genocide throughout history? Why is it about the modern west and not about a steady theme of corruption and population control throughout human history? The Bible is symbolic of a timeless bunch of ideas. People weren't much different then, than now. The time to be aware has always been 'now'- that's the point. Technology isn't bad. What we use it for can be.

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blackbelt1961 wrote:

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Kimmio wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5174265 This is more of a warning article about the over-reaches of technology if humans aren't aware and careful.

 

Sure, but you could say that about quite a bit of current technology too.  It still doesn't fit the mark of the beast IMO.

 

mabey we should define what the mark of the beast is 

Maybe later if this thread hasn't taken off too much.  I'm off to an appointment to help me continue sticking things into my hands so that they might looked like they're marked by the beast :)

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Christian Family Refuses Mandatory RFID Chip at Texas School

 

 

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Infowars! There's a reliable site (sarcasm).

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Kimmio wrote:
Or, we could say, the 'mark of the beast' is about power and control- allegory for it rather than some future conspiracy- and has been around as long as humanity and is nothing new. Who's to say it's some Western ideology? What about all the populations of people that have suffered corrupt governments and genocide throughout history? Why is it about the modern west and not about a steady theme of corruption and population control throughout human history? The Bible is symbolic of a timeless bunch of ideas. People weren't much different then, than now. The time to be aware has always been 'now'- that's the point. Technology isn't bad. What we use it for can be.

 

its always been about power and control, the question is whos power to we submit ourself to

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Infowars! There's a reliable site (sarcasm).

 

dont throw the baby out with the bath water, some of his stuff (not all) is documented 

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Hi blackbelt1961,

 

blackbelt1961 wrote:

No doubt we are headed there, so is Revelations 13 really that far fetched???

 

I don't find Revelation 13 to be far-fetched.

 

What I do find far-fetched are the folk who buy into the Jack Van Impe fearmongering about end times prophecy. 

 

I also find it tragic that some Christians read the news or simply hear news and automatically reach for nightmare interpretations of what it all means as if their fear is godly and the panic they feal is the Holy Spirit teaching them.

 

So no, I don't trust Fox news to have an inside track on the apocalypse nor do I trust David Rockefeller's ability to see it coming.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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revjohn wrote:

Hi blackbelt1961,

 

blackbelt1961 wrote:

No doubt we are headed there, so is Revelations 13 really that far fetched???

 

I don't find Revelation 13 to be far-fetched.

 

What I do find far-fetched are the folk who buy into the Jack Van Impe fearmongering about end times prophecy. 

 

I also find it tragic that some Christians read the news or simply hear news and automatically reach for nightmare interpretations of what it all means as if their fear is godly and the panic they feal is the Holy Spirit teaching them.

 

So no, I don't trust Fox news to have an inside track on the apocalypse nor do I trust David Rockefeller's ability to see it coming.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

well since revelations 13 is a future event, we are all interperting , what we can see is that we are leading up to something , in my opinion, something not good 

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What I am saying is that the mark of the beast is symbolic of corruption power and control not a specific prediction that can only be pegged to a certain technology or future event yet to happen. To say that is to say that people who have been outcast, imprisoned and prevented from buying and trading to survive because of race or class or religion and had genocide committed against them are already forgotten in favour of future conspiracies like the one you presented- and that's wrong, IMO. It means we've learned nothing from the past. It happened to many populations of people throughout history already. It still happens. It's still wrong.

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What I am saying is that the mark of the beast is symbolic of corruption power and control not a specific prediction that can be pegged to a certain technology or future event

 

but abosolute power in the hands of our nature, complete corruption 

 

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. To say that is to say that people who have been outcast, imprisoned and prevented from buying and trading to survive because of race or class or religion and had genocide committed against them are already forgotten in favour of future conspiracies like the one you presented- and that's wrong, IMO. It happened to many populations of people throughout history. It still happens. It's still wrong.

 

unless of course they believe that the benifit of the whole is worth it at the lost of the few scum at the bottom 

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Who is the antichrist supposed to be? Satan? or is it anyone that is against Christ?

 

 

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Can I apply for the job? Sounds fun and rewarding.

 

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chansen wrote:

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Chansen, it's not that far fetched to think it could happen in the fairly near future. There was an article in huffpost the other day about transhuman tech and ethics. Not specifically the chip, but other disturbing technologies. I'll try to find it....

Oh, no! Not the Huffington Post!

 

Now my argument will surely be ruined.

 


Stephen Hawking was one of the writers. I don't know the others. Maybe you've written Hawking off already.

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chansen wrote:

Can I apply for the job? Sounds fun and rewarding.

 

 

Hmmm, rumour has it you're not really against Christ, just some of His "followers".

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Kimmio wrote:
chansen wrote:

Kimmio wrote:
Chansen, it's not that far fetched to think it could happen in the fairly near future. There was an article in huffpost the other day about transhuman tech and ethics. Not specifically the chip, but other disturbing technologies. I'll try to find it....

Oh, no! Not the Huffington Post!

 

Now my argument will surely be ruined.

 

Stephen Hawking was one of the writers. I don't know the others. Maybe you've written Hawking off already.

 

The article doesn't address implantable chips at all. Doesn't even say anything about a beast or the mark it supposedly leaves behind.

 

Look, we can't even get people to get their children vaccinated! How the hell is the government going to implant chips?

 

And the whole bible angle to the story makes it even dumber.

 

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chansen wrote:

Kimmio wrote:
chansen wrote:

Kimmio wrote:
Chansen, it's not that far fetched to think it could happen in the fairly near future. There was an article in huffpost the other day about transhuman tech and ethics. Not specifically the chip, but other disturbing technologies. I'll try to find it....

Oh, no! Not the Huffington Post!

 

Now my argument will surely be ruined.

 

Stephen Hawking was one of the writers. I don't know the others. Maybe you've written Hawking off already.

 

The article doesn't address implantable chips at all. Doesn't even say anything about a beast or the mark it supposedly leaves behind.

 

Look, we can't even get people to get their children vaccinated! How the hell is the government going to implant chips?

 

 

food, consumerism  is a great motivator,,, your stuck in the present 

 

 

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Hi blackbelt    your quote    well since revelations 13 is a future event, we are all interperting , what we can see is that we are leading up to something , in my opinion, something not good 

 

Amen to that yesyesyes

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Hi blackbelt1961,

 

blackbelt1961 wrote:

well since revelations 13 is a future event,

 

This is a presumption and it is only a safe one if we know what the imagery contained within the book points to.

 

The most compelling argument for imagery is not a future event but a past one.

 

The fact that interpretation (allegedly guided by the Holy Spirit) has thus far been wrong about any event from the book of Revelation happening in our liftetime should lead us to question not what is written so much as how it has been interpreted.

 

Since portions of the book were seen by John and he was forbidden from writing those portions down the best anybody of faith can do is say that there are things still needing to be revealed.

 

Anyone attempting to fill the holes that the narration deliberately leaves is not to be trusted.

 

Anyone who spends more time worrying about tomorrow at the expense of today is somebody who has failed an elementary teaching of Christ and should not be trusted with more advanced material like wheres and whens that not even Jesus was able to identify.

 

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in my opinion, something not good 

 

In that opinion you are not alone.  Fear and doom has been a part of almost every age and so far every prediction of death and destruction has proven false.

 

Wars and rumours of wars were things we were supposed to be watching for and wary of not participating in and spreading.

 

I simply do not read revelation through a fear soaked lense.  Quite frankly, I think some of my Christian brothers and sisters use the book of Revelation for titillation.  Horror porn was not its purpose when written and it should never become its purpose when read.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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food, consumerism  is a great motivator,,, your stuck in the present 

 

You read conspiracy blogs.

 

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It's relatable to how and what technology gets used for- and...what am I trying to say?...in a sense the 'chip' is transcendent between human being and digital dependence and control. It's one thing to have a machine you can turn off or leave at home and have the freedom to go without. It's quite another to have the machine be part of you...and another thing still to have a machine outsmarting humans beyond their capacity to control them. It's all part of the same good vs. evil potential for technology. But no, I'm not jumping on BB's an unsafe's Revelation 13 conspiracy bandwagon. I do think we should look a few steps ahead and be aware of the consequences, good and bad, of any technology. Problem is, we often don't find out about it until it's being tested for the marketplace already.

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Absolutely, but there is vigilance, and then there is ignorance and fear. Blackbelt is living in ignorance and fear, and loudly wondering why we aren't all joining him.

 

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"Line upon line; precept upon precept; here a little, there a little." 

 

The history of the world is rife with totalitarian aspiration. But of course, we are far too enlightened to be taken in by the scripts and strategies of power seeking power for the sake of power!?

 

When the whole population is indebted to the globalizing corporate oligarchs how will they say no in the critical moment?

 

Are we to take it that the massive techno/pharma structures are ordered for our wellbeing, in light of the evidence?

 

 

George

 

 

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I added to my last comment that one of the problems is that we often don't find out until it's being tested for the marketplace. That was okay when we were talking about going from 8 track to cassettes to CD to Mp3 but some things the public have little input until it's already implemented- and that's mostly about 'money rules'.

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Hi blackbelt1961,

 

blackbelt1961 wrote:

well since revelations 13 is a future event,

 

This is a presumption and it is only a safe one if we know what the imagery contained within the book points to.

 

it is a safe one becase we are not there yet 

 

 

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The most compelling argument for imagery is not a future event but a past one.

 

 

agreed, based on many past events, not just bibical , i bet revelations will come to pass 

 

 

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The fact that interpretation (allegedly guided by the Holy Spirit) has thus far been wrong about any event from the book of Revelation happening in our liftetime should lead us to question not what is written so much as how it has been interpreted.

 

 

agreed.  but what it does do is keep our eyes open and quesion 

 

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Since portions of the book were seen by John and he was forbidden from writing those portions down the best anybody of faith can do is say that there are things still needing to be revealed.

 

revealed and supported by the word or by who? 

 

 

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Anyone attempting to fill the holes that the narration deliberately leaves is not to be trusted.

 

 

some no doubt do that andI agree, others point to the past  , shwo the present and predict a future, but its still a perdiction , does it hold merrit, I would say yes based on past  human events. 

 

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Anyone who spends more time worrying about tomorrow at the expense of today is somebody who has failed an elementary teaching of Christ and should not be trusted with more advanced material like wheres and whens that not even Jesus was able to identify.

 

 

time spent is the Key , yet the Apostles did ask the question, and Jesus answered , meaning the quesion a part of  our human nature. 

 

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In that opinion you are not alone.  Fear and doom has been a part of almost every age and so far every prediction of death and destruction has proven false.

 

not only that , but fear is a great motivator and manipuator 

 

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Wars and rumours of wars were things we were supposed to be watching for and wary of not participating in and spreading.

 

 

do you think a WW3 will happen? 

 

 

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I simply do not read revelation through a fear soaked lense.  Quite frankly, I think some of my Christian brothers and sisters use the book of Revelation for titillation.  Horror porn was not its purpose when written and it should never become its purpose when read.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

 

agreed some purport it as fear, I see it as a movement of concentration of power 

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chansen wrote:

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food, consumerism  is a great motivator,,, your stuck in the present 

 

You read conspiracy blogs.

 

 

I guess so to most of the Presidents  of the US since 1776 and believe it !

 

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