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Quantum mechanical religion

I dont know a great deal about quantum mechanics but I am fascinated by it and it's change of a world view...

It will change religion I'm sure so I post this here (Arm: old age gives me sitzfleisch -- YOU translate it smiley)

So I toy with the question : How can quantum mechanic be so impervious to

Metaphor? There is no good one

Visualization? You can't build a picture of any of it.

Language? If not incoherent difficult to describe.

And I toy with my conclusion:

It's simple: Accept life created reality.

Have a pleaednt evening with that in mind! smiley

 

 

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a quantum mechnical lord's prayer, by bucky fuller

 

""EVER RETHINKING THE LORD’S PRAYER
July 12, 1979

To be satisfactory to science
all definitions
must be stated
in terms of experience

I define Universe as
all of humanity’s
in-all-known-time
consciously apprehended
and communicated (to self or others)
experiences.

In using the word, God,
I am consciously employing
four clearly differentiated
from one another
experience-engendered thoughts.

Firstly I mean: —

Those experience-engendered thoughts
which are predicted upon past successions
of unexpected, human discoveries
of mathematically incisive,
physically demonstrable answers
to what theretofore had been misassumed
to be forever unanswerable
cosmic magnitude questions
wherefore I now assume it to be
scientifically manifest,
and therefore experientially reasonable that

scientifically explainable answers
may and probably will
eventually be given
to all questions
as engendered in all human thoughts
by the sum total
of all human experiences;
wherefore my first meaning for God is: –

all the experientially explained
or explainable answers
to all questions
of all time –

Secondly I mean: –
The individual’s memory
of many surprising moments
of dawning comprehensions
of an interrelated significance
to be existent
amongst a number
of what had previously seemed to be
entirely uninterrelated experiences
all of which remembered experiences
engender the reasonable assumption
of the possible existence
of a total comprehension
of the integrated significance –
the meaning –
of all experiences.

Thirdly, I mean:–
the only intellectually discoverable
a priori, intellectual integrity
indisputably manifest as
the only mathematically statable
family
of generalized principles –
cosmic laws–
thus far discovered and codified
and ever physically redemonstrable
by scientists
to be not only unfailingly operative
but to be in eternal
omni-interconsiderate,
omni-interaccommodative governance
of the complex
of everyday, naked-eye experiences
as well as of the multi-millions-fold greater range
of only instrumentally explored
infra- and ultra-tunable
micro and macro-Universe events.

Fourthly, I mean: –
All the mystery inherent
in all human experience,
which as a lifetime ratioed to eternity,
is individually limited
to almost negligible
twixt sleepings, glimpses
of only a few local episodes
of one of the infinite myriads
of concurrently and overlappingly operative
sum-totally never-ending
cosmic scenario serials

With these four meanings I now directly address God.

Our God –
Since omni-experience is your identity
You have given us
overwhelming manifest: –
of Your complete knowledge
of Your complete comprehension
of Your complete concern
of Your complete coordination
of Your complete responsibility
of Your complete capability to cope
in absolute wisdom and effectiveness
with all problems and events
and of Your eternally unfailing reliability
so to do

Yours, Dear God,
is the only and complete glory.

By Glory I mean
the synergetic totality
of all physical and metaphysical radiation
and of all physical and metaphysical gravity
of finite
but nonunitarily conceptual
scenario Universe
in whose synergetic totality
the a priori energy potential
of both radiation and gravity
are initially equal
but whose respective
behavioral patterns are such
that radiation’s entropic, redundant disintegratings
is always less effective
than gravity’s nonredundant
syntropic integrating

Radiation is plural and differentiable,
radiation is focusable, beamable, and self-sinusing,
it is interceptible, separatist, and biasable –
ergo, has shadowed voids and vulnerabilities;

Gravity is unit and undifferentiable
Gravity is comprehensive
inclusively embracing and permeative
is nonfocusable and shadowless,
and is omni-integrative
all of which characteristics of love.
Love is metaphysical gravity.

You, Dear God,
are the totally loving intellect
ever designing
and ever daring to test
and thereby irrefutably proving
to the uncompromising satisfaction
of Your own comprehensive and incisive
knowledge of the absolute truth
that Your generalized principles
adequately accommodate any and all
special case developments,
involvements, and side effects;
wherefore Your absolutely courageous

omnirigorous and ruthless self-testing
alone can and does absolutely guarantee
total conservation
of the integrity
of eternally regenerative Universe

Your eternally regenerative scenario Universe
is the minimum complex
of totally intercomplementary
totally intertransforming
nonsimultaneous, differently frequenced
and differently enduring
feedback closures
of a finite
but nonunitarily
nonsimultaneously conceptual system
in which naught is created
and naught is lost
and all occurs
in optimum efficiency.

Total accountability and total feedback
constitute the minimum and only
perpetual motion system.
Universe is the one and only
eternally regenerative system.

To accomplish Your regenerative integrity
You give Yourself the responsibility
of eternal, absolutely continuous,
tirelessly vigilant wisdom.

Wherefore we have absolute faith and trust in You,
and we worship You
awe-inspiredly,
all-thankfully,
rejoicingly,
lovingly,
Amen."
 

 

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Quantum mechanics IS metaphor. It exists only as mathematics and attempts to describe what the math might mean… and that makes it all seem very weird stuff beause we live in a different time and scale… and cosmology baffles us in the other direction, towards "big".

 

Neither coincides with the possibilities of human experience and it's only in the realm of experience where faith resides. The rest, like history, is "bunk", as they say. Our difficulty is finding metaphors for internal experience which unite us rather than dividing us, not with quantum mechanics, but with consciousness. And consciousness too, in absolute terms, defies our intellect and is, again, knowable only through metaphor: our heads are too small and limited to contain more than glimpses of reality through the narrow slits of our small and selective perceptual and cognitive capacities.

 

One of the gifts of the "Enlightenment" was a new literalism: the desire for observable certainty expressed in materialistic (rather than theological) forms. We have become "rational beings", obsessively materialistic. This has come at a severe cost to imagination: but, without transcendent possibilities, and without free-ranging hopes and possibilities,  we are less than fully human.  Materialism is proving a degrading trap.

 

Humanity works best when it's lost in a certain amount of wonder; nothing else seems able to humble us to the point of inter-habitability (living together, unarmed and without menace). 

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John Wilson wrote:

I dont know a great deal about quantum mechanics but I am fascinated by it and it's change of a world view...

It will change religion I'm sure so I post this here (Arm: old age gives me sitzfleisch -- YOU translate it smiley)

So I toy with the question : How can quantum mechanic be so impervious to

Metaphor? There is no good one

Visualization? You can't build a picture of any of it.

Language? If not incoherent difficult to describe.

And I toy with my conclusion:

It's simple: Accept life created reality.

Have a pleaednt evening with that in mind! smiley

 

 

 

Hi Happy Genius:

 

(I take the liberty to use your former name. There are thousands of John Wilsons, but only one Happy Genius :-)

 

"Sitzfleisch," literally translated as "sitting flesh," is the tendency or ability to contentedly sit for long periods of time. I have it, too. All philosophers have it.smiley

 

Having once had a vision of a quantum mechanical universe, it is not that hard for me to imagine. It is just the synergetic totality of being as a constantly changing unified energy field. It is, I think, the wave nature of the universe, the complementary twin of its particle nature.

 

It is hard enough to grasp the particle nature of the unfolding universe, even harder to grasp its wave nature, and hardest tow grasp the two as an inseparable whole. The two, as an inseparable whole, transcend conventional notions of space and time and confront us with a universe of no-space and no-time where everything is just somehow omnipresently there and not there. A ghostly machine, eh?wink

 

 

 

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