Oops, of course since I can't edit my own post my last question should read "Have you ever seen a UFO?"

yes i have a few ysr back, i was having an arguement with my wife, it looked like a scaucer shaped object , flying towards me , almost hit me in the head, kind like a frying pan but i couldnt make it out it was so fast

Yes, Neo. One evening in November, when there was already some snow on the ground, I was out walking when I suddenly saw the snow light up blueish. I turned around and saw a big blueish-white sphere soundlessly and majestically crossing our valley from west to east.

I've never seen a UFO but I do believe there is intelligent life on other planets in other galaxies.   They will be highly intelligent creatures with technology that will make ours look primitive.  Perhaps one day they will manifest themselves but I expect they already understand they won't receive a warm greeting on earth....especially since they won't look like us.

I think there are already secret files on UFOs.

I hope so, because there sure doesn't seem to be much intelligent life on earth!

OMG Blackbelt, you and I have somthing in common, though I interpret it differently. I also know about the Annunaki, as described by Sitchin, something I don't talk about much for fear of ridicule. I leave ample room for the possibility that man was created by aliens, a genetic cross breed, crazy though that may sound. With all else that has been seen and written about throughout time, I must allow for that possibility. The pieces fit too well.

Hubby and I watch ufo vids whenever we find something interesting, and some of them have been convincning, like the weird stuff that went on in Australia I posted about last year, some lit, spherical craft sucking up water and a while bunch of people saw it. The scarey light spirals above China and Norway. There's lots of stuff. I think government disclosure may well cause hysteria, but it could also be a big relief to finaly look at this stuff openly and with our best scientists.

(This is just one of many videos, some clearer, I can't take too long over finding the best one.)

I don't really think aliens creaet crop circles. I think it's a secret knowledge held by few, to do with electro-magnetism and the brain and the connection between the two. I don't know why they continue to create them without explanation, perhaps because the message is more important than the means. But I feel it is people either conciously or unconciously making them by yet unknown means. Not little spheres. I believe that video was proven to be a hoax.

I don't have any religious feelings about whether it is a harbinger or good or bad, I think it is, and it remains to be seen wheter it is benign or hostile, though many people would scream hostile after what they say happened to them during abductions. I don't know what I believe about abductions, there may be a psychological element there. I would prefer to think that as the alternative is too frightening.

I don't like it when they hype these phenomena up with music and sound effects and try to make it out as religiously significant. To put it as Lennon might, "I just want the truth."

There has also been a flying saucer invented by German scientist Victor Schauberger in the 40's or 50's, that may be being seen hither and yon.

@ Elanorgold

yep the great deception I call it and many will fall for it

Very cool! I personally have nought seen a UFO. I thought I saw one earlier this year but after some investigation it turned out to be the International Space Shuttle. I proved it to myself by waiting for it the next night, as the schedule said it would. I dragged my whole family out there and we watched it sail across the sky in about 3 minutes.

I personally don't believe that there will be a big deception re UFO's. I think that they're will prove to be absolutely harmless and that our fear will be shown to be a fear of the unknown. I also don't believe that they are abducting people or performing cattle mutilations. The latter, I believe, are done by people in order to discredit the existence of these benevolent Beings. Abductions may occur but only as an out of body experience. There is nothing that these Space Beings can learn from us. They are, I believe, far more advanced in spiritual evolution than ourselves and have much to teach us about light technology and the energy needed to live in a world of peace, without want or desire for power or material possession. They are not, as many believe, plotting to take over our world. If they wanted to they couldn't done so a long time ago. They are, in my opinion, absolutely harmless and are here to help and assists in our time of trouble.

I subscribe to the theory that UFO's don't actually come from any other part of the Galaxy but rather from our very own Solar System. Each planet, it seems, is teaming with life. Both Mars and Venus, for instance, have Spiritual Hierarchies , just as we have a Spiritual Hierarchy of Beings living on our planet. The problem is, we simply can't seem them. Unless they want to be seen, of course, which seems to be case in the last 60 years. These "light beings" exist primary in the higher, etheric levels of the physical plane. They have ability to lower their vibration of their "light ships" so that they can be seen. This is why I don't believe that physical abductions occur since they do not exist in the lower sub-planes of the physical universe (i.e. the solid, liquid and gaseous levels of the physical plane).

These Beings have visited our planet since the dawn of Mankind, e.g. the "Coming of Mind" to our planet. They have watched us and helped us grow. The Solar System works as a whole system and the Spiritual Hierarchy of our planet is well aware of and works with the Spiritual Hierarchy of the other planets. These "light beings" who are appearing in their crafts of light are appearing (again) at this time in history because of the advent of the great World Teacher in our midst. They are responsible for the thousands of UFO sightings, the Norwegian and the Australian "spirals" and the hundreds of crop circles that have appeared all of the world, mainly in England however since this where Maitreya is currently based.

Many believe, as has been pointed out above, that a great deception is occurring. I couldn't agree with you more on this. However the deception is with science, religion and general complacency. Science believes that nothing exists without proof. Maybe once the so called 'dark matter' is finally discovered or simply shown to them by demonstration then it'll be realized that this etheric matter has always existed, and so have the beings that exist in this medium. And religion believes that such "light beings" could only be the result of Lucifer and his 'fallen angels of devils'. Again a deception arising from the fear of the unknown. And finally, those that don't care about science or religion simply live in a "I'm all right Jack" world where belief in UFO's and "little green men" is racked right up there pixies and fairy tales.

Few, I find, are there that dare to think or believe that UFO's are part of a spiritual Humanity that exists through out the Solar System. Now I don't know if what I believe about UFO's is absolutely true or not, it's just what I believe. I find it to be an interesting and quite plausible explaination that ties it all together.

Cheers.

Elanorgold

So...the "official" explanation for the Norway lights is a Russian missle test going wrong.

Truth, or dare?

There is the other side that I have heard.  Aliens are here, have contacted the governments (King Harper excluded as the aliens are allergic to lipstick) and all this hype, movies, and tv shows are just to get us accustomed to "The First Encounter of the Third Kind"

IT

Russ

Chupicabra's scare the living shit outta me...

As-salaamu alaikum

-Omni

 I saw a UFO this summer. I was with two others, sitting on a deck at a cottage in Haliburton about 10PM. early in August. There was no sound such as highway noise since we were back in the bush. The three of us were high on the edge of a valley and were just relaxing at the end of the day. The UFO emerged from the trees on the right side of our view. We saw a cone shape followed by 4 red lights then a space then four more red lights followed by a flashing white light. The cone and lights were in a perfect straight line. The lights traveled from right to left at a very slow pace and made no noise. We were about a kilometer from it and its elevation was about 15 degrees above our level of viewing. We were able to see it for about 10 seconds, just long enough for us to comment that it was making no noise.

Omni: What's a Chubuicabra?

Russ: Yes, official explanation is a failed Russian missile, but I, as many others, don't buy that. I think humans fired it and it did just what they wanted it to do, it did not fail. But what the hell are they doing? Some secret stuff it seems to be. Hubby and I read a great article about it scientifically examining the phenomenon which showed correlations to the efffects of sound waves on matter, and talked about plasma and gas... (Can't seem to find that page now or I'd share it.) It was unsettling, but very interesting. I think there is science out there that is not yet common knowledge and it is being tested.

Arminius: Your ufo sighting sounds pretty neet. I think I remember you mentioning it before. Wonder what it was eh?

Daver: Neet. I bet you talked a long time about that and what it might have been.

Regarding Mars, I think it possible that an intelligent race once lived there in the past, and perhaps even migrated here, and I am curious to see what science finds about life in the past on Mars.

I think the Anunaki may have been here in the distant past, but I don't think they are here now. If they did exist then they were not the type of folks you'd want around.

Aha! http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message3.htm

Hi Elanorgold:

Yes, I mentioned it once before here on the Café. Some of my friends said it could have been a meteor. But it had no tail.

Some people release hot air balloons for fun, as a hoax, or as a message to the spirit world. A big blue plastic bag, with a powerful but lightweight source of heat and light burning at the bottom to keep the bag high in the air for as long as the light lasts, is another possiblity.

To me it was a UFO: Unidentified Flying Object.

It rings hollow when scienttists dogmatically proclaim extraterrestrial life as certain.  Evolution cannot explain the origin of life; as a theory, it begins with the reality of life in all its diversity and identifies just 2 of  principles that help determine life's diversity and increasing complexity--random selection and genetic mutation.  So is our planet the only one in our universe that supports life?  I seriously doubt that, but for now, the honest answer to this timeless question  must remain, 'I don't know." 

A few years ago, some scientsts thought that a rock broken off from Mars discovered in Antarctica might contain microbial life, but subsequent research has not verfied this claim.  If past or present microbial life couild be discovered on Mars or underground water on the moon Europas, that, for me,  would be strong evidence that life is abundant throughout our universe.   

So what are we to make of UFOs and alleged UFO abductions?   For me, that depends on the truth behind  claims about (1) dead aliens and a crsshed UFO at Roswell and (2) reverse engineerng of captured UFOs at Area 51 and elsewhere.   Physical artifacts linked to UFOs would probably convince me that there is life on other planets in our universe.  The current absence of such evidence elevates an origin in other dimensions as the most attractive hypothesis for me.  Members of St. Paul's churches (and perhaps Paul himself) believe in the power of elemental spirits (Greek: "stocheia tout kosmou"---Galatians 4:3, 9).  But during atheist Howard Storm's NDE, Jesus and the angels assure Howard that there is abundant life elsewhere in the universe.  So I keep an open mind.      

A chupacabra is a south american alien creature.  Chupacabra meaning "goat-sucker" (in relation to the many livestock that have been found drained of blood and/or organs with usually only a vampire like mark on their neck).  There are many different ideas as to what it looks like (from a green scaly lizard/raptor like creature with big red eyes and a fanged suction mouth, to something like a hairless dog), and theories to where it might have come from abound (from alien to government experiament).

I don't really think they are real, but you know what they say about the monsters of the mind...

As-salaamu alaikum

-Omni

I wrote this piece for another  thread and thought it might be of interest here. 

Perhaps we can divert our conversation to something a little different. Michael Tellinger is the author of "Slave Species of God" He claims that ancient Sumarian tablets as translated by Zeharia Sitchin, reveal the story of the Anunnaki, an alien species that live on the planet Nibiru. This may be the mysterious planet that was recently discovered. It orbits the sun every 3600 years. Tellinger tells us that Nibiru had lost its radiation shield and the Annunaki used powdered gold in orbit around Nibiru to create a substitute shield from the radiation. They went on an interplanetary search for gold and found it in South Africa around 450 000 years ago. After 200 000 years of mining the gold they decided that they needed slaves to do the work so the genetically engineered a slave species from their DNA and that of Homo Erectus...a hybrid. This was the big jump in evolution that led to modern man. Is God an alien or one of us??  If the Sumarian tablets are correct it turns out that God is an alien and we are his halfbred offspring.

This book is is right on the mark for those who like to think outside the box..a fascinating read  

Hubby and I found Sitchin very fascinating, and eye opening. I'm not buying the whole story, the gold bit sounds somewhat speculative, but the hybrid bit and corresponding Sumerian archaeological finds and biblical passages have something very compelling, and worth serious thought.

Thanks Omni, Eeeee. Creepy.

Arminius, yeah, neet. Hubby and I would love to see something unidentifyable. The weirdest thing I've seen in space is the northern lights, which is pretty weird. ; )

Berserk

"It rings hollow when scienttists dogmatically proclaim extraterrestrial life as certain."

There was this all seeing, all knowing, all powerful being, God, that no one has seen, but that all know is there. It has existed for all time and It suddenly created the universe, in order to produce beings that it could torture, and make adore It, or else end up for all time in this place called Hell.  That makes more sense?  Not to me it doesn'.t

IT

Russ

Berserk

Interesting quote, most of which isn't from me.  See my post above.

"I must make allowances for the fact that, as an atheist your grasp of bibilcal teaching is just a tad shy of biblical illiteracy."  I never was and still am not, an atheist.  I belive in a God, just not the God of the Bible.  I believe in the Cosmic GAIA, we are in God and God is in us.  See any of the numerous posts by Arminius.

"If you care enough about the truth to have your misunderstanding cleared up, then answer the questions I posed to a breath-takingly close-minded chansen."  Excuse me????

"Someone once said, "We only use 10% of our brains.  If so, what is the 09% for.""  Pehaps you mean 90% rather then 09%.

"In short, evolution can't explain the origin of life and past claims to discovering microbial life on Mars have not survived critical scientific scrutiny."  Because we haven't found any physical evidence of UFOs, Encounters of the Second kind???  And why exactly can't evolution explain the origin of life?  Because your origin of life requires this Monty Python God sitting on a cloud? 

"So the rational inference todraw is that we simply can't say whether there is life on other planets."  I most certainly agree but all the science points toward the building blocks of life being present in all the universe, not life, but building blocks at least.

"The lack of confirmation for alien artifacts from crashed or captured UFOs suggests that these UFOs, if not projections from the unconsious, can with equal plausibility be viewed as visitors from parallel or spiritual dimensions."  I most certainly agree with this.  If you look at the current science dealing with dark energy and matter, who knows what is "really" out there.  The "soul" may be dark energy that will exist forever.  Think for every decision you make, there is another you didn't make.  Each leads to another universe. Each choice making another universe.  A billion people on the planet leading to a billion different paths every split second, now, we have an infinite number of universes, each caused by as simple a thing as typing the rong key!

IT

Russ

Russ,

Oh a Gaia devotee!  Sorry!  So which Gaia theory do you embrace ("Strong" or "Weak")?  How do you respond to the standard critique of Gaia by more conventional evolutionists (e. g. Richard Dawkins and Stephen Jay Gould)?  And why do you imagine Gaia is incompatible with the biblical creationisn?

In an attempt to steer this thread back on track,

meet Dan Aykroyd:

The video is small but you view it in full screen.

Again, Dan Akroyd is such a treat, someone who seems to be enjoying life very well :3  I know he's a good riffer because I've heard his radio show...the narrator seems a bit...'True Believer' type t'me :3

UFOs are something that I could get quite lost in...there was a time in my life when I was quite intrigued by them.

Neo, there's one bit in that video that I find quite...sinister...those STS tether incident of 1996 UFO's?   They look like eyes to me, or amoeba and remember how huge they are supposed to be? :3  It's too bad that they didn't talk aboot one researcher's theory aboot UFO's:  he thought they were ALIVE and spent his whole life exploring them.

This, of course, makes me think of...I used to collect comic books of UFOs or fortean-type stuff.  I vaguely remember two stories, one aboot a farmer who, in the middle of the day in one of his fields, just disappeared.  His family searched for him and they could HEAR him, but not see him and he was never seen again.  Another one was aboot a storm that, the next morning, a strange goopy-organic red mass was found on the ground.  So, perhaps there are these things, some sort of life, that can scoot through our atmosphere (but is invisible normally to visible light) and who...sometimes...gets hungry...cattle mutilations?  Human disappearances?  Lost ships or planes? :3

I remember being terrified after I saw the movie Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind -- I saw it as a child and I think I had nightmares that night (aboot being abducted, probably...that abduction scene still gets me, but now more from the mother's pov, her sheer powerlessness to 'save' her child).

I think that UFOs were something that I liked scaring myself with.  I would be watching that TV series Project Blue Book and when it showed the alien, I would often cover my eyes.

I'm different now, but I still don't know how I would react to a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th encounter or any of the 'high strangeness' stuff.  I mean, that one time when I slept in an uncle's attic and had that 'dream'/whatever where I felt in terrrible danger and HAD TO TURN ON THE LIGHT IN SLOW MO STEVEN KING HORROR MONSTER COMING fashion (which it turned out I was actually doing, as I found out whne I turned on the light) and found out audible evidence from the guy sleeping across the room and then finding out the next morning that a previous owner had DIED THERE...I didn't sleep there that night.  Today, I'd definitely not do like Travis Walton did.

I have seen lights in the sky at night that I couldn't identity...there was this one time my family was in spain, my brother and I decided to sleep one night on the garage roof and watch the night sky.  We saw many lights that we couldn't identify.  Like little single flashing lights flying along the horizon in perfect formation, or seeing a fuzzy patch of light suddenly dart into view above us, stop, and then continue...

What do I think they are or aren't?  I'm a fan of Jacques Vallee, who, when he can, actually GOES OUT and tries to collect 1st-hand data and data himself.  He has actually created an extensive database of these experiences and has tried to find patterns without actually coming up with a definite theory as to "This is what THEY ARE..."  He thinks they should be seriously studied, scientifically.  Like the famous Rendlesham case (google it and enjoy, though I think that if I had been a soldier there I certainly wouldn't have been staying around with those lights in that forest, especially the dripping red 'eye of Sauron'), because even IF those lights weren't 'really' objectively real, then the fact that soldiers were HALLUCINATING is VERY TROUBLESOME.  Or that commercial pilots have enough 'near misses' with UFOs that it'd be good to actually find out what they are.

Of course now, y'know, so many of our governments are making their UFO investigations available to the public.  "Fringe things" become mainstream after a while.

Following are some links to some nice governments who have released UFO Files.

Here's Canada's.

Here's the UK's.

Here's the FBI's Vault.

And oh hey, I've come across s'more videos.  I think I've given links to this one afore.

TOP 10 UFO Sightings documentary by Paul Kimball.  This video is just a promo; you fellow sentients can find the full-length one, somewhere online.
 

Paul Kimball is also trying to make a

followup documentary

, this time concentrating on the possible theories.

Remember, the Truth...is Ruth with a T!

I too believe that some UFOs are fallen angels - thrown from heaven at the same time as Lucifer.  I also believe that they tinkered with the genetic pool in times past, creating what the Bible calls Nephilim.  I also suspect they tinkered with the genetic pool of animals - perhaps making Dinosaurs.  I also believe that they will have some end time purpose - although what is not clear. 

Then they would be Unidentified Fallen Objects. 

I agree with Rev. Steven Davis ... not much intleeigent life here ... just look at the evidence that's habeas corpus ... all around us as dead to man.

Then would man believe what he sees without proving or testing the observation? (that's biblical you know).

I see floating Unidentified Objects every day ... when I look in the Mire first thing in the morning ... that's the dirt on creation of objective from subjective space. Then that fits with the definition and contrast of solipcism and solecism as found in WEBSTER ... as de Lexis it is often considered the devil to somepeoples beliefs when they see their definitions varied and often misconstrued. Some people believe only what they see even though their vision may be impaired by desire of some chi Mera (chimera) hang fire in space? That's light in the forless darkness eh ... a mystery since the beginning and scientists still say it is dark inside because the particles are too close together to pass light only heat ... like bedding down with a warm body ... you don't know what'll come out of it ... creation's quantum Joker ... Jack?

Did you know that the statistical odds of making something out of infinite space is exactly 1 as stated in an equation expressed by Einstein as Y=1/X (or its reciprocal as a binary system). That's God a sigular nothing or as my grandfather called it pure desire as nothing if you can't do something with it in the latent realm ... via lactica in ancient tongues ... hommoe of the milk ladies ... awkward busts for whetted nurses that dampen the desires of men child. The objective of the ladies ... milk the m'n for all he's got and perhaps he can't afford to go  to war like King Richard making his own crusade at home. The stuggle between love and fighting always leads to battle ... until Eve falls and everyone wants a bed warmer so they won't get cold feet about what approaches them in the night contrary to Roman Decree ... love in a schemeing woman? There's something about feet (shoe fetish, or phi tish) involved in an old Hebrew version ... attached to the shin bone ... where the shin approaches the image of the bo^ish! But hoo dah Gnoe 'n that ... as vast satyrical metaphor of a people that do not believe in the imaginary realm ... excluding the mind from real space ... Black Ante Matter? The Shadow ... anon a' Mouse ... as that rhuminating creature in the hands of a large dark person in the Green Mile ... or garden variety maele, earth turner? Now there's a 4's to contend with ...

 Very interesting Dan Akroyd video, I enjoyed it.  Stepping back, to view from a distance, a couple of things beg comment.  The overwhelming overall ego centric slant that aliens MUST be concerned only with US.  If they are here, then of course, they could only be interested in humans.  Hmm....maybe they are actually fascinated with birds, creatures that can fly without the need for an artificial vehicle? Who knows........

Another surprising angle, is that it seems many people are more willing to think that humans are the result of alien/angelic interbreeding programs than are willing to accept that we share ancestry and actual DNA with chimpanzees, or (gasp) Neanderthals.  Again, ego centric views prevail here, with the idea that humans are somehow *separate* from everything else in creation, despite the overwhelming evidence that we are not.  Us and them, I and not I, I think are perceptions preventing us from ever achieving true harmony with creation.

Lastly, I always look at the scandal sheets such as the Enquirer,  when I'm in line at the grocery store.  I've noticed a dramatic DECREASE in the number of UFO and/or alien being photos which used to be headlined regularly in these types of papers.   Why is that, when millions of people all over the world now have cell phone cameras on them all the time?  Logically, wouldn't images of UFOs  greatly increase with the sheer numbers of  cameras readily available? 

I've noticed the decrease coincided with the rise of digital imaging.  Why, because every digital file contains a tremendous amount of information, which includes records of changes and manipulation of the file.  If a digital image has all its information stripped, it can't be used for authentication, unless the corresponding original file is available to back it up.  That doesn't seem to be happening.  Film allows for some manipulation without leaving any trail.  Plus, its just so easy to change a digital image, and many people just don't believe photos anymore.

What newspaper wouldn't JUMP at publishing an authentic UFO image that contained all its original information intact?  It certainly may happen, but hasn't as yet.

Personally, I do believe that life exists elsewhere in the universe, the simple mathematics  of chance currently supports that.   I think its our perception of what that life is like that is flawed.  Invariably, what we collectively believe, is in reality, the opposite.  The Sun doesn't revolve around the Earth, its actually the other way around.

UFOs...

Unidentified.

UWO (Uniditified walking objects)

UPP (Unidentified People Posting)

UCP (Unidentified cats on my porch)

UHG (Unidentifed happy geniuses)

USO (unidentified objects in my hamburger)

A morass of non identifiable non-problems......

(Sigh)

I've seen lots of things in the sky that I couldn't identify, but I think there are likely more mundane explanations than extra-terrestrials.  It's possible that aliens are flying by us sometimes, but I'm not convinced. 

Look at it from the Skye's perspective ... if you want alien ...

Have you looked at the general population of humans? Is that a bright crowd or just a shadow crossing the mire ... dirt?

You don't look at the tabloids ... look around you ... and inside ... what Webster called intellect and bode-an willis ...

It is suggested we ballast some emotional baggage if we wish to get in with the trip ... share emotional sacred stuff? We couldn't do that could we? Even if you do it in the proper way ... real people won't understand ... what the har monix of poe tree's about ...upsilon of loci? Trés humours ... overlooked by man as subliminal scions ...

But if one does not know the word in Maas ... d' hole flow ... Mos's created a flood ...

More cool UFO STUFF!  YAY!!!

NASA doesn't know where these came from, but they deem them safe

What the heckies are these?

I feel for these poor people, who allegedly have been having experiences for around 10 years

Jacques Vallee, applying empiricism to a baffling phenomena

One of the biggest QED of the social aspect of UFOs (including vague prophecies, different phenomena witnessed by observers in situ, high strangeness, psychological & physical effects)

There seems to be a need, particularly within stressed cultures, for varieties of intellectual and spiritual escapism: a concern with easier notions than those provided by the infinities of experience that are immediately at hand in the real world that's immediately at hand.

They are seen in movements like the cargo cults that proved socially damaging among peoples like some of the Papua New Guinea Highland cultures and in the historical European obsessions with witches: delusions and self persuasion that got around uncomfortable realities. In our day, the same kind of cultural fictions emerge as "beliefs" in UFOs and conspiracy theories. Because they are detached from physical realities they work quite nicely for whatever self-interested holders of power exist in the society: like our entertainment industry, they help to vent feelings that might otherwise turn into pressure for change.

You can usually identify these fantastical escapes into the inconsequential by their reliance on "belief" and otherwise incoherent and unconnected shreds of mostly unsustainable "evidence".

Religions have been magnets for this kind of escapism. and it has weakened and confused understandings of the genuine wisdom that's at their sustaining core.

UFOs are a figment of lazy thinking, under-stimulated imaginations and eager credulity, and have nothing to do with the reasonable likelihood that life may well exist quite widely in the universe. The reality is unknowable at this point... and irrelevant to sustainability of our human societies and our living Earth. 

Our Earth provides an infinity of opportunities for genuine experience that opens doors to generative imaginings and deeper understandings… but they can be scary because they ARE consequential.

Life elsewhere ... there's nothing moving out there ... I thought we were the only institution?

Could such beings fall here in long thin lines that appear to come out of nowhere and everywhere ... the fire of emotions escaping an empty mind that would like to create without resources? In the beginning was God ... that's all-there-is and it self perpetuated from there to those that couldn't believe their own eyes ... it was an independent soul ... what the Hebrew called "isolate" of mahaineim ... what Jack wrestled with in a wilderness dimension (Calais thing, tough lam's Kyne) trying to make something with nothing ... but a mire Shadow of his imagination. "Chi" must have been there before or is that just D' Jah Vue ... vision from the others' ID of the finite containment ... that would be infinite to be truly free of the confinements of mortal responsibility for my brother Dan ... he ain't heavy ... mankind appears to be the fallout---Dante (Milton)? Grist from the huge mille ... that's the upper grind ... on-and-on ID goes ...

Dan, now is that bêdè Ville'NG thought of community? Close to a secondary bet' ... following weaker power that'll smarten the daemon ...

That was one of the best descriptions of religion I've ever read.

Thanks Inanna. That second video with the stick people  sure looks like people dressed up in sheets and walking on stilts to me. I sense a hoax here.

The Miracle of Fatima, however, is one of the biggest mysteries of the 20th century, though this video doesn't seem to do it much justice. Among  70,000 witnesses were some very creditable testimonies. See  http://www.ufoseek.org/fatimajv.htm

I agree with Mike and to say there might be life in other parts of the universe or other universes does not give support to UFO - that is is magical thinking and misplaced concreteness to say the two go together.

That was one of my thoughts as well :3

Another of my thoughts is that it was a UFO experience that created Christianity.  Ezekiel.  The burning bush.  The conversion of Saul.  Etc etc.

*chuckle*  Indeed, 'UFO' doesn't mean 'space alien'  And it says a lot aboot the person when they automatically think of 'UFO' as 'Space alien' :3

The data leads where the data leads and doesn't care aboot what we think, whether we think that life is just atoms bumping up against atoms or whether we think there are immaterial essences that guide us.

What I like aboot Jacques Vallee is that he has collected empirical data over the decades and still has avoided coming to a definite 'what is the cause'?  He has come up with hypotheses based on the data -- there is a range of them.  I personally like the one that UFOs are some kind of control system dedicated to changing our societal beliefs :3  Is that how your G_d lures us? :3

He postulated a long time ago, way before things like the Heaven's Gate cult, the Raelians, Scientology, that if  scientists didn't seriously start studying this, we'd see these UFO cults form.  And lo!  They have.

Thank you, Neo :3  Another instance of how important it is to find out just what is going on, if these things are somehow created by us, or some organization or group here on Earth, or otherwise.  Something that can influence THE VATICAN is something to be concerned aboot.

what about crop circles 

Beautiful video, blackbelt, thankee sai.

Which reminds me, there's a movie that you might like to watch.  It's called Signs.  It's a religious movie where the main character has lost his faith...and it's got crop circles :3  When I watched it, it certainly got my idea generator going :3

What makes it so magical when we have the physical finger prints that extraterrestrial beings have been part of our history and are once again present in our modern day?

We have ancient runways and gigantic figures hewn in stone -only visible from the sky, Biblical stories about "clouds of fire" and  "saviour heralding stars", myths of flying machines and beings of light, colossal monuments built to such precisional accuracy that we couldn't reproduce them today with our modern technology. And in our modern time, and especially since the advent of nuclear power, there have been untold sightings of crafts of light and the most logic defying events happening in the sky. There have also been fantastic crop circles that defy logic as to how they were built so quickly and without being seen. 

Why is it so magical to suggest that extraterrestrial beings in UFOs exist in our midst? I don't understand, unless you are talking about the vast and enormous distance in space between us and even our closest neighbours, making  space travel totally impractical even they could travel as fast as the speed of light.

"Extraterrestrial beings" is an interpretation that doesn't automatically follow from the data of the UFO phenomenon.

I don't think enough actual scientific investigation into the phenomenon has been done for any concrete hypotheses (ie what they really 'are') to be put forward.

Not all hypotheses are valid anyway -- I see a range of hypotheses that would fit the data.  Just one of these is ET.

I know which hypothesis you believe in (and I know which one I currently like) and it seems to be part of your faith.  What are other possible hypotheses that fit the data that you can see?  It doesn't even have to be true/false, but rather probability scales :3

All the evidence to date seems to indicate they are not of this Earth, which would make extra-terrestrial.

What aboot other hypotheses that they are some kind of control system?

That they are a kind of natural phenomena?

Or are some kind of psyop campaign?

Your 1-in-ten ratio ... an interesting guess.

My guess is 0 to a gazillion.

Visitors from Venius ? Really? REALLY? C'mon....

Life on other planets in some galaxy? Probable. Recognizable life? Probably not.

Evolutionary life? If so, those who are several million years ahead of us...what will we talk about?

You made several points. I agree with all of them.

Refreshing,