LOS ANGELES -- "Duck Dynasty" patriarch Phil Robertson is off the hit A&E reality series indefinitely after disparaging gays as sinners akin to adulterers and swindlers, the network said.
A&E announced Wednesday what it called a "hiatus" for Robertson, 67, after he disparaged gays in the January edition of GQ magazine. He also said that, growing up in Louisiana before the Civil Rights movement, he never saw mistreatment of blacks.
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Jobam
Posted on: 12/19/2013 11:41
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ninjafaery
Posted on: 12/19/2013 11:47
One can only hope.
This man seems to represent a regressive phenomenon that unfortunately has struck a chord with tens of millions of fans.
If A&E are thinking of cancelling Duck Dynasty, the message would be loud and clear.
Mendalla
Posted on: 12/19/2013 11:47
You know, when you start building shows around people from rural, often very conservative, parts of the US South who are used to being able to shoot off their mouth like this, you shouldn't be too shocked when one of them does, in fact, shoot off his mouth like this. To my mind, it's part of the appeal of these shows for those who watch them and it's part of why I do not watch them.
Mendalla
Jobam
Posted on: 12/19/2013 12:06
UPDATE: “Duck Dynasty” Star Likens Homosexuality To Bestiality, Says Being Gay Is “Not Logical”
Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/duck-dynasty-star-likens-homosexuality-to-bestiality-says-being-gay-is-not-logical-20131218/#ixzz2nwBIufc4
chansen
Posted on: 12/19/2013 12:50
You know, when you start building shows around people from rural, often very conservative, parts of the US South who are used to being able to shoot off their mouth like this, you shouldn't be too shocked when one of them does, in fact, shoot off his mouth like this. To my mind, it's part of the appeal of these shows for those who watch them and it's part of why I do not watch them.
Mendalla
Came here to say the same thing. Leaving satisfied that it was already said.
Edit: Okay, this is how I was going to say it:
If you produce a reality show about stereotypical rednecks, you lose the right to be surprised when they start talking to people outside of your control like stereotypical rednecks.
chemgal
Posted on: 12/19/2013 12:55
I'm surprised by the response. I haven't bothered reading the article, and I've seen the show once, but these reality shows are about the characters, and it isn't all about real life. If you were to invite Borat for an interview, you wouldn't expect it to be PC. The people off of many of the reality shows need to be treated for what they are doing - being characters. They aren't usually able to flip the switch between say Borat and Sacha as that would diminish the 'reality' part of the show.
Mendalla
Posted on: 12/19/2013 13:11
I'm surprised by the response. I haven't bothered reading the article, and I've seen the show once, but these reality shows are about the characters, and it isn't all about real life. If you were to invite Borat for an interview, you wouldn't expect it to be PC. The people off of many of the reality shows need to be treated for what they are doing - being characters. They aren't usually able to flip the switch between say Borat and Sacha as that would diminish the 'reality' part of the show.
My only concern in this analogy would be that that there is much blurrier line between Mr. Robertson's on screen and offscreen personae. It is rather possible, even probable, that he does believe what he spouted off, whereas Borat is pretty clearly a distinct personage from Sacha Baron Cohen and when Borat says ridiculous things you can be reasonably sure it's Baron Cohen being satirical.
Mendalla
chemgal
Posted on: 12/19/2013 13:44
I agree Mendalla, it's the issue with reality tv in general.
Jobam
Posted on: 12/19/2013 17:48
Taken from the Los Angeles Times.....
Self-described independent Baptist and Reagan conservative Pam Besteder wrote, "Whenever culture disagrees with the Word of God — CULTURE is wrong — not God. God is ALWAYS RIGHT!"
Jake Smith, a volleyball champion from Lawton, Okla., wrote, "Phil Robertson is the man! Finally someone with a voice spoke some truth. If your persecuted, then you are blessed."
Clay Guerry of Myrtle Beach, S.C., seems to think Robertson's thoughts were par for the course, writing, "If you watch a show about rednecks being rednecks, eventually they will say something a bigot would say."
Kyle Collins, a college student from Akron, Ohio, took a more down-the-middle stance, writing, "Don't necessarily agree with #PhilRobertson comments. But I still love #DuckDynasty. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions."
New York Times political reporter Nick Confessore took note that all the discussion of Robertson's thoughts on gay people was overshadowing his positive remembrance of the Jim Crow south. "Phil Robertson lucked out: The furor over his comments on gays is overshadowing his comments on black people."
Never one to shy away from controversy, CNN host Piers Morgan tweeted, "Phil Robertson is not a 'victim of political correctness'. He's a victim of his own repulsively racist, homophobic bigotry."
YouTube videomaker Pia Glenn wrote, "You Fundamentalist Christians spewing hate make me so sad, but I still pray for you every Sunday at church with my gay priest."
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-duck-dynasty-fans-outraged-over-aes-phil-robertson-punishment-20131219,0,4223629.story#ixzz2nxYu2ZMm
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 12/19/2013 19:06
Them Baptists, they's always shootin' they're mouths off about one thing or another.
I've never watched Duck Dynasty, and I've never understood what the fascination with it is supposed to be.
It doesn't surprise me to hear that one of the Duck Dynasty stars made some anti-gay comments. It does seem kinda' strange to me that he would choose to make them in an interview with a secular magazine.
revjohn
Posted on: 12/19/2013 21:41
Hi chansen,
Came here to say the same thing. Leaving satisfied that it was already said.
Me three.
If you produce a reality show about stereotypical rednecks, you lose the right to be surprised when they start talking to people outside of your control like stereotypical rednecks.
I suspect that the outrage is rather faux. It is the kind of outrage that comes forward when shareholders get nervous.
Grace and peace to you.
John
SG
Posted on: 12/19/2013 23:28
Faux outrage until the truth comes out about edits and set stuff. It is rare someone lets 'er fly with a stranger and has never shown it to folks prior. He was a cash cow they milked knowing it left a bad taste. Folks just found out.
Jobam
Posted on: 12/20/2013 09:49
What The ‘Duck Dynasty’ Scandal Tells Us About Race, Homophobia, And The Media
By Alyssa Rosenberg on December 19, 2013 at 1:58 pm
"What The ‘Duck Dynasty’ Scandal Tells Us About Race, Homophobia, And The Media"
Yesterday, Phil Robertson, the star of A&E’s massively popular reality show Duck Dynasty, about a family that made a fortune selling duck calls to hunters, followed what’s now become a familiar cycle. He was quoted saying any number of intolerant things in a profile by Drew Magary in GQ, condemned by GLAAD, and swiftly suspended by his network for an indefinite period of time. The Duck Dynasty story has gone wider than this type of cycle normally extends, with Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, normally a supporter of free enterprise, complaining that Robertson’s suspension is an example of how far our society has fallen from First Amendment principles. But variations aside, the Robertson kerfuffle is the perfect scandal with which to end our year in popular culture for what it tells about about the lines reality television tries — and increasingly fails — to walk, who has power to marginalize political ideas in popular culture, and how conservatives will try to defend the holdouts they’ve carved out for themselves in mass media.
The most revealing thing about Robertson’s remarks about homosexuality in GQ is really the extent to which his comments about homosexuality are on-brand for A&E. Jase Robertson told Magary that the three things his family wanted their show to be about were “betrayal of family members, and duck season.” As is clear in the profile in GQ, A&E has tried to walk a fine line between portraying the Robertsons as religious Christians without spotlighting the parts of their beliefs that have the potential to cause precisely the kind of firestorm that resulted yesterday. “There are more things Phil would like to say—’controversial’ things, as he puts it to me—that don’t make the cut,” Magary writes. This dilemma of wanting part of a reality television cast member’s personality, but only the parts that will make you money, is one that faced CBS’s Big Brother this year, too, after discovering that the ways in which a number of their controversial and colorful cast members were controversial and colorful was that they were enormously ignorant racists.
I absolutely understand the desire to make money off of either evangelical Christianity or American backwardness, which has increasingly been one of the staples of reality television. There is clearly a market for an underserved audience of religious Christians who would like to see themselves reflected in popular media more frequently. And there is clearly a market for being horrified by other people’s behavior. But it is exceptionally difficult, in a reality television context, to separate out and wall off the part of someone’s personality that is attractive and media-friendly from the parts that are less palatable to a mass audience. If you’re writing fiction for television, those attributes can get shaved off by the collective process of the writers’ room. But if you are, yourself, a reality television product, especially if you feel like you’re being suppressed or misrepresented, those parts of your personality and beliefs will inevitably out. Sometimes, the surprises are pleasant, as was the case on Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, where a family offered up as backwards and repellent proved to be tolerant, loving, and charming. But that is not often the case.
For the most part, reality television producers and the networks that air their work, have decided that these outbursts are worth the risk of continuing to sell highly specific personalities, precisely because the cycle of suspension, response, and temporary profit loss are so well-established at this point that it can probably be worked into a budget. I can’t imagine anyone at A&E is surprised that someone like Phil Robertson, who bills himself as a Bible-believing evangelical, believes that you can “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” or that he would say something like “It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.” The question was probably when, not if.
And when that when arrived, A&E had a well road-tested formula to use in its response, provided by the folks at GLAAD. GLAAD is the most effective media advocacy organization that I know of, on two levels: first, its ability to swiftly identify and condemn anti-LGBT speech and to get results, and second, in its deep, comprehensive, and intersectional research on the depiction of LGBT characters and figures in media. When Robertson’s remarks broke, Wilson Cruz of GLAAD responded quickly with a statement that hit on an incredible number of ideas in a clear, efficient way.
“Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe,” he said. “He clearly knows nothing about gay people or the majority of Louisianans — and Americans — who support legal recognition for loving and committed gay and lesbian couples. Phil’s decision to push vile and extreme stereotypes is a stain on A&E and his sponsors, who now need to re-examine their ties to someone with such public disdain for LGBT people and families.” It was a condemnation that positioned GLAAD as a more sophisticated and compassionate arbiter of Christian values than Robertson, drew a connection between culture and legal protection, and offered a reminder that GLAAD has plenty of experience influencing media sponsors.
And A&E knew immediately what it had to do to respond to GLAAD: Robertson was suspended for an indefinite period of time, a punishment that doesn’t just promise long-running financial losses to him, but because it has no end point, can’t be immediately decried as too short or too long. It’s action that effectively ends the news cycle, as far as A&E’s need to take action and appear responsive are concerned.
It’s also worth noting that because of GLAAD’s swift intervention, much of the media coverage has focused more on Robertson’s anti-gay remarks than his comments about African Americans and the Civil Rights movement, which weren’t worked into the narrative of the profile, but appeared as a pull quote in the online version of the piece. While Robertson’s views on homosexuality are presented as consistent with his religious beliefs, his remarks about African-Americans are actually more politically extreme, aimed at undermining the validity of the safety net.
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field,” Robertson said. “They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
That’s a vision of the American South and American racial history that’s in keeping with Paula Deen’s alleged plantation nostalgia. It’s an attempt to substitute Robertson’s own memories of his interactions with African American laborers, whose behavior around him may well have been influenced by his relative privilege as a white man, even a poor one, for the larger history of organizing against and resistance to the economically and racially ruinous consequences of the Jim Crow system. It’s a kind of narrative that’s aimed at retroactively manufacturing black consent for policies aimed at maintaining white supremacy.
But in the absence of an organization like GLAAD, which is extremely familiar to both media companies and media reporters, condemning those remarks, most of the entertainment reportage focused on Robertson’s anti-gay comments. That’s less a matter of disregard for racial bias, I think, than a focus instead on covering conflicts or potential conflicts between large organizations. And there’s a particularly strong incentive to cover disputes that could evolve into disputes with economic consequences, like the advertiser boycott GLAAD was clearly threatening. The NAACP did co-author a letter to A&E with the Human Rights Campaign. But that letter didn’t mention advertisers, as GLAAD’s statement did, and I wonder if it might have been interpreted more as a sign of consensus among gay organizations, than as proof of a broad-based coalition that objected to a range of Robertson’s remarks. A&E certainly reinforced that impression by focusing on the LGBT community in its statement announcing the suspension, explaining that “His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community.”
Normally, the lifecycle of the Duck Dynasty scandal would end with the suspension. But in an attempt to score political points off the controversy, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has decided to express his great sorrow about a supposed suppression of Phil Robertson’s right to free speech, which I was not aware included a guarantee to be paid to say whatever he pleased on a major television network’s airtime.
“I don’t agree with quite a bit of stuff I read in magazine interviews or see on TV,” Jindal said in an official statement. “In fact, come to think of it, I find a good bit of it offensive. But I also acknowledge that this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views. In fact, I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment.It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended ”
These sorts of statements are always hilariously hypocritical coming from conservatives who in all other spheres of their lives want private enterprises like A&E to be able to do whatever they’d like. But it does suggest a particular frustration. Duck Dynasty does prove that there’s a definitive market for Christian figures in reality television. But the backlash to Robertson’s remarks does suggest that the market is limited to certain professions of Godliness, rather than to Phil Robertson’s entire theological or political program. And the fact that A&E is willing to respond to GLAAD and other organizations does demonstrate that it prioritizes some consumers over others, and that it’s more interested in being seen as compliant with some norms than others. That’s a fairly definitive valuation of Christian consumers’ worth to mass media. And I can’t imagine that it’s a figure that makes Robertson, Jindal and plenty of other people particularly happy or comfortable.
It’s easy, I suppose, to dismiss the coverage of Robertson’s remarks, his suspension, and Jindal’s follow-up as all-too-predictable. But in 2013, that’s precisely why the cycle of the scandal matters. We’ve reached a point where the monetization of controversial figure as entertainment, their inevitable line-crossing, the organizations that exists to police that line-stepping, and the outrage that accompanies networks’ moderation of their own business strategies is an institution in and of itself. The relationships between all players in the cycle are symbiotic. But the power to influence culture and determine which political ideas are mass-marketable is decidedly real.
chansen
Posted on: 12/20/2013 18:35
I can't even watch this. I read some of the transcript.
http://www.heavy.com/entertainment/2013/12/watch-new-phil-robertson-video-homophobia/
SG
Posted on: 12/20/2013 21:35
His crap has been out there for a long time.
Kimmio
Posted on: 12/21/2013 01:43
I don't have TV, just read about him yesterday.