Gay Christians
Hello,
I've created a group for those of us who are gay and christian. This group is one that embraces the need for spirituality within the gay community. This is NOT a hate group or intended to be one that embraces hate! All respectful discussions are welcome!
To tell you about myself, I consider myself to be a Christian man. I grew up in a Roman Catholic home, and suffice it to say, you can take the boy out of the church but not the church out of the boy! I feel that my religion has failed me. To be honest, ostracised me. I am 32 years old, and I am in a relationship with a wonderful man whom I adore. We will be getting married in a United Church in our home town.
I believe that God is a loving, all accepting God. I believe that I was created in his image, and that is not necessarily a straight image. I believe that an all loving God would never condemn me to hell for something so simple as LOVE. That being said, I am not saying lust, I am saying love.
There are wonderful things about religion! Many good things come out of religion. The basic fundamentals of religion are to "love one another". No more, no less. To a lot of gay people, they feel that the church has failed them. They feel that they have been subject to hate and bigotry. Given the patriarchal nature of most religion and our world, it's no wonder that homosexuality is not embraced.
I can not tell you the number of times someone has dictated verses from the Bible... the Sodom and Gomorrah story, the countless verses about homesexuality being an abomination, etc. To which I reply, yes. They are there. Most being from the Old Testament. None of which have come directly from Jesus Himself! Christ said not one word about homosexuality. Furthermore, seeing as the Bible was written 300 years after Christ's Crucifiction, then translated from language to language. Then if I'm not mistaken, adopted by the Roman Empire as truth and fact. No wonder our world is a patriarchal society that doesn't embrace homosexuality, let alone women's right, etc.
Christ made it simple, "LOVE ONE ANOTHER"! If we'd just do that, wouldn't we be a better world? A world that would have less hate, and more acceptance? I think so, do you?
Hello,
I've created a group for those of us who are gay and christian. This group is one that embraces the need for spirituality within the gay community. This is NOT a hate group or intended to be one that embraces hate! All respectful discussions are welcome!
To tell you about myself, I consider myself to be a Christian man. I grew up in a Roman Catholic home, and suffice it to say, you can take the boy out of the church but not the church out of the boy! I feel that my religion has failed me. To be honest, ostracised me. I am 32 years old, and I am in a relationship with a wonderful man whom I adore. We will be getting married in a United Church in our home town.
I believe that God is a loving, all accepting God. I believe that I was created in his image, and that is not necessarily a straight image. I believe that an all loving God would never condemn me to hell for something so simple as LOVE. That being said, I am not saying lust, I am saying love.
There are wonderful things about religion! Many good things come out of religion. The basic fundamentals of religion are to "love one another". No more, no less. To a lot of gay people, they feel that the church has failed them. They feel that they have been subject to hate and bigotry. Given the patriarchal nature of most religion and our world, it's no wonder that homosexuality is not embraced.
I can not tell you the number of times someone has dictated verses from the Bible... the Sodom and Gomorrah story, the countless verses about homesexuality being an abomination, etc. To which I reply, yes. They are there. Most being from the Old Testament. None of which have come directly from Jesus Himself! Christ said not one word about homosexuality. Furthermore, seeing as the Bible was written 300 years after Christ's Crucifiction, then translated from language to language. Then if I'm not mistaken, adopted by the Roman Empire as truth and fact. No wonder our world is a patriarchal society that doesn't embrace homosexuality, let alone women's right, etc.
Christ made it simple, "LOVE ONE ANOTHER"! If we'd just do that, wouldn't we be a better world? A world that would have less hate, and more acceptance? I think so, do you?
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Darrel Tessier
My Church has quite a few
Posted on: 06/26/2011 05:58
My Church has quite a few "gay- (otherwise) conservative" Christians. We agree on the rightness of being Gay (I'm straight) and argue about everything else! LOL!
Darrel Tessier
"For The Bible Tells Me So" Documentary
Posted on: 06/26/2011 05:52
Has anyone seen "For the Bible Tells Me So" a documentary about Christianity and Homosexulaity. It was VERY powerful. I'm a straight guy with many gay friends and some have been married. It burns me up that people quote the Bible (usually fundamentalist types - I was one) and don't do the in depth research and therefore don't know what they're talking about. I don't know if Youtube has this doc. I'm going to check it out. It was being shown at our church.
jasonla
Just wanted to say happy
Posted on: 12/15/2009 00:08
Just wanted to say happy holidays to everyone with jesus church is pretty important to us this time of year
ninjafaery
Welcome Arcangab
Posted on: 11/08/2009 13:23
So glad you posted here. I'm sorry to be so late answering you since I don't look at this thread very often. Hope you're still reading and welcome.
Arcangab
I am new here
Posted on: 10/26/2009 17:15
Hello evry one,
I'm just trying to accept me as I am. it is dificult but I thing it is never too late to gain our own identity; especially, when you came from countries where being gay is a sin and the discrimination is almost criminal.
I hope to find friends gays and christian to get started my new life
somegirl
Congrats bgf!!!!
Posted on: 10/21/2009 20:15
Congrats on your wedding!!!!!! Hope you have a great life together.
somegirl
Hi Stefanie, I was listening
Posted on: 10/21/2009 20:12
Hi Stefanie, I was listening to the radio the a couple of months or so ago. They were talking about and interviewing transexuals in Iran. In Iran sexual reassignment surgery is paid for by the state. To me, I am who I am and who I am is how God made me. I'm sorry for your trouble with the church it just shouldn't be that way.
ninjafaery
Welcome Stephanieharron!
Posted on: 10/21/2009 10:03
Sorry I missed checking this group for awhile, but I'm glad you're here.
ninjafaery
Not sure I follow you Melchizedek
Posted on: 10/21/2009 10:04
I'm not sure I follow you Melchizedek.
Could you please expand on what you mean and how it applies here?
ninjafaery
Congratulations bgf!
Posted on: 10/21/2009 10:04
I haven't checked in here in awhile, bgf, but I just wanted to give you and your partner my sincerest wishes for a long and happy life together.
Bright Blessings.
thebgf
Marriage
Posted on: 10/12/2009 20:25
Just wanted to let everyone know... I got married on the weekend!!! It was wonderful.
Melchizedek
Melchizedek
conservative/liberal
Posted on: 10/01/2009 08:15
From my experience/observation/study, the spectrum of sexuality and the spectrum of liberal-conservative worldviews are exactly equal in breadth and depth.
Sadly - and surprisingly - I have found that the 'liberal' community can be no less dogmatic and narrow-minded about its membership than the 'conservative' community. In my experience, I have also found that all along the spectrum of sexuality, both the 'far left' and the 'far right' and all points inbetween have shown themselves to be equally strict in their 'membership' standards and equally quick to paint themselves as the 'uber special' statistical minority which guarantees and solidifies a status as 'other.' We get to brag about this status because it supports how 'special' we are. (Don't all of God's children want to be 'special'? That's why each group along our individual spectrum have so many official and unofficial 'membership' rules.)
thebgf
Transexuals
Posted on: 09/26/2009 21:22
To my knowledge, Christ said nothing about transexualism. Christ accepted the rejects of society during his life. He was with the prostitutes, poor, etc. Today not much has changed. He wouldn't be with the religious or holier than thou peps... We.... GLBTT2QS community are also among the rejects in today's society. So my dear transexual friend.... God loves you for who you are! Never doubt that. I have come to really enjoy the United Church. I'm sure you will too.
In Pride,
Michael.
Stefanieharron
Transexuals
Posted on: 09/23/2009 14:07
What did Christ say about transexuals and sexchanges? just a question as ive had a sexchange and was asked to leave the Catholic church and never return.
Frankielad
A good web site to check out
Posted on: 07/25/2009 11:39
Here is a web site that I know is to be a great source of information and comfort for the GLBT community:
Cheers,
Frankielad
thebgf
Ok CDNRXBY, you can be a
Posted on: 07/08/2009 21:55
Ok CDNRXBY, you can be a sista too. Interesting viewpoint! I never knew that! Thanks for the info.
CDNRXBY
@ thebgf
Posted on: 07/08/2009 12:00
I wanna be a sistah too! :-)
Some people relate homosexuality to child molestation. Oddly enough that's not biblically inaccurate. Many times the Greek word "arsenokoitai" is used in the letters from Paul. It generally refers to male pagan temple prostitues with whom the men of the time would have sex in an attempt to get closer to the God they were worshipping. IE having sex with a temple prostitue at the temple of Zeus was thought to be pleasing to Zeus. However, when "arsenokoitai" combined with the adjective "malakoi" (as it is in 1 Cor. 6:9) it comes to describe abusive pedophiles or hebephiles. This is not how the wonderful people at Zondervan translated that when they released the NIV. They chose "homosexual" because the prostitutes were having sex with men... That has now become "biblical" but theologians don't 100% concur that homosexuals were the people Paul was trying to condemn.
A really interesting site which seems to cater to both sides of the debate is this:
CDNRXBY
@ Ninjafaery
Posted on: 07/08/2009 11:38
Ninjafaery:
I'm happy you had them removed if they were offensive. I'm sure they were "insightful and well thought out comments from well informed and sensible Christians" - OR - they were total dicks who have no concept of human decency. I'm banking on the latter! :-)
Thanks for the insights as to the comment's content.
thebgf
Oh do I!!!!!!
Posted on: 07/08/2009 01:17
Yes Ninja I do remember THOSE posts! Very well indeed. His basic point was that homosexuality is a grave sin and that I am a misinformed individual who is blindsighted by his gayness! He argues that my point about Christ saying nothing about homosexuality is pointless because of the old testament's expressed law, God's law, as he put it, regarding the stance of homosexuality being an abomination. He never once said anything to my question / statement regarding the wearing of blended mixes of fabric! He said that I said the old testament is invalid! I only took offense when he used homosexuality in the same sentance as child molestation. Hence my post clearing the air, so to speak! Oh.... and he also thought that we choose to be gay! Seriously! Again.... hence my post. Too bad they were deleted by Admin, they were definately good conversation pieces! Inaccurate converstation pieces but still conversation pieces none the less!
Ninja, thanks for your assistance and trying to help a sister (LOL) out! You're sweet to help, thanks!
CDNRXBY: Brother, as I've said before, you make me proud to call myself a gay man! You've earned your place in faerie heaven as far as I'm concerned!
In search of answers with pride,
Michael aka thebgf!
ninjafaery
Sorry
Posted on: 07/07/2009 21:47
Had I realized that they would have been valuable, I wouldn't have flagged them. I was personally very hurt by them and assumed others would be as well.
Used words like "sodomy" and grouped being gay on the same magnitude as rapists and other criminals etc....
Roballz was only responsible for one of the deleted ones. Someone else also added two.
And like I mentioned, the one I didn't flag is very tame in comparison.
The creator of this group might remember the details better.
CDNRXBY
I was going to ask what
Posted on: 07/07/2009 16:48
I was going to ask what offensive posts there were. I picked up on something between thebgf's posts but, they were deleted by the time I joined. I personally don't find Roballz post offensive at all. I'm sure he realizes he's just as much a "sinner" as we supposedly are. I just don't see how one "sin" outweighs another! :-)
ninjafaery
thebgf -- I saw those posts
Posted on: 07/07/2009 16:28
thebgf -- I saw those posts and they were pretty nasty IMO, so I flagged them as offensive. Admin must have thought they were offensive as well and removed them.
The one post from Roballz is mild in comparison to the others, so I didn't flag it.
Hope that's ok. No one missed anything worthwhile.
Ninj
thebgf
AMEN!
Posted on: 07/07/2009 11:57
Amen! Couldn't have said it better myself, CDNRXBY! Thanks for joining!
CDNRXBY
Gay - OR - Christian
Posted on: 07/07/2009 10:22
@ Roballz:
I don't mean to be argumentative but I find it strange that you consider Lev 20:13 to be the "Lords Law". I'm not a Levitical priest nor am I a Jew under Babylonian rule... Those are for whom those Levitical texts were written. Which Jesus said he came to fulfill and thus we are bound by HIS law. After all he is the LORD, is he not? What were his words on sin? I believe he puts it best in John 8:7 you may want to have a look at that.
[end chat @ Roballz]
Along the same lines of archaic laws, I'd check your closet. Deut. 22:11 condemns those who wear blended fabrics. Sorry to those Queens out there - no cotten-poly blends. And if you have kids Deut .21:18 prescribes death to rebellious kids but only after you bear false witness on them to the leaders of the town... wait... isn't THAT one of the 10 Commandments? Strange how the Bible controdicts itself eh?
What does Jesus state about homosexuality? As a fellow Christian I'm sure you can help me in my search for something Roballz. I'm serious and in no way being snide or sarcastic. I have yet to find anything from Jesus but love and acceptance of ALL. That won't work very well if we're to follow the archaic laws written in a different time for a VERY different people who didn't know God like we now know God.
For God so loved the world that he gave... Regardless of what or whom He gave, He GAVE. God is a God of love who protects not just the bold or those who claim they know Him inside and out but allso the meek and simplehearted.
I am Gay and Christian. Just like you are a who you are and Christian. However, I fail to see being Gay as a sin. I see it as a gift from the God who created (me), is creating and will continue creating as long as God exists.
ALSO - @ thebgf : Thanks for creating this group.
thebgf
FYI
Posted on: 07/06/2009 23:01
Just to let everyone know.... there were some posts that were deleted either by the host (Wondercafe) or by the individual himself. So when reading my posts, please do not think that I am merely having a discussion with myself! LOL. I'm not crazy yet! Though to some, it would be debatable. Anyway.. I welcome all opinions and discussions on this topic. Thanks Everyone... Yours, Michael.
jgerrie
Just wanted to throw my
Posted on: 07/04/2009 23:06
Just wanted to throw my support behind the position that God does not hate gay people just because they are gay. That being said, I am a bit of a prude and think there are probably lots of things about our sexual behaviour, gay or straight, that God can find reason to disaprove of. It saddens me when people use the Bible to buttress a position condeming homosexuality and homosexuals in a blanket fashion. None of the references scripture are clearly about homosexuality as we understand it today. It is not surprising that Leviticus' records an ancient Hebrew condemnation of "men lying with men." I have no problem with such pronouncements, because I think the Bible is honestly recording what ancient believers felt God was demanding of them. The Bible is, among other things, a record of the stumbling responses of God's people down through the ages to seek to understand God's perfect moral demands. It does not simply record these deamnds as some think (how could it if it was to convey any true history), but also aspects of the sincere but ultimately false attempts of his people to understand what true goodness demands. The two processes are mixed together in a way that only a wholeistic reading informed by the spirit can reveal. In other words, part of what it shows is how the quest to understand God's laws is an ongoing process in which God sticks with us despite our continual misunderstanding and inability to properely grasp his/her perfect laws. If one rejects this aspect of the story, then an important and uplifting aspect of the Bible must be ignored, which is a sad omission and not properly respectful of the multiple levels of story telling going on in it.
ninjafaery
Greetings, thebgf. Just want
Posted on: 07/03/2009 00:58
Greetings, thebgf.
Just want to thank you for starting this group and to offer my support to you for this worthwhile effort. Rest assured you are not alone.
God's Blessings.
thebgf
I welcome your opinion and
Posted on: 06/25/2009 23:31
I welcome your opinion and I find no need to justify me relationship to anyone. God understands my intentions. God understands who I am. I accept the Lord Jesus Christ into my life! Part of that, to me anyways, means that I accept myself for who I am as a person. At no point did I speak about sex! Do you realize that? What the Catholic Church or Evangelicals tell me is that "God Loves the person, not the act!". Well, I can have a relationship and remain celebate! I love my fiancee, the same way my straight brothers and sisters love their partners, just without the sex! I CAN love my future husband, spiritually, mentally and physically without breaking any of these "abominations"! Can I not?
Roballz
not fancy but eazy
Posted on: 06/25/2009 13:01
SO i hear where y'all comin from and yess eveyone does need the lord but
but you guys are practicing is a sin a direct violation of the lords law i mean
there is no gay christian it's gay or christian pick one and no matter what the lord will
love you cause your his children but he won't like that you are sinning
Comments
Darrel Tessier
My Church has quite a few
Posted on: 06/26/2011 05:58
My Church has quite a few "gay- (otherwise) conservative" Christians. We agree on the rightness of being Gay (I'm straight) and argue about everything else! LOL!
Darrel Tessier
"For The Bible Tells Me So" Documentary
Posted on: 06/26/2011 05:52
Has anyone seen "For the Bible Tells Me So" a documentary about Christianity and Homosexulaity. It was VERY powerful. I'm a straight guy with many gay friends and some have been married. It burns me up that people quote the Bible (usually fundamentalist types - I was one) and don't do the in depth research and therefore don't know what they're talking about. I don't know if Youtube has this doc. I'm going to check it out. It was being shown at our church.
jasonla
Just wanted to say happy
Posted on: 12/15/2009 00:08
Just wanted to say happy holidays to everyone with jesus church is pretty important to us this time of year
ninjafaery
Welcome Arcangab
Posted on: 11/08/2009 13:23
So glad you posted here. I'm sorry to be so late answering you since I don't look at this thread very often. Hope you're still reading and welcome.
Arcangab
I am new here
Posted on: 10/26/2009 17:15
Hello evry one,
I'm just trying to accept me as I am. it is dificult but I thing it is never too late to gain our own identity; especially, when you came from countries where being gay is a sin and the discrimination is almost criminal.
I hope to find friends gays and christian to get started my new life
somegirl
Congrats bgf!!!!
Posted on: 10/21/2009 20:15
Congrats on your wedding!!!!!! Hope you have a great life together.
somegirl
Hi Stefanie, I was listening
Posted on: 10/21/2009 20:12
Hi Stefanie, I was listening to the radio the a couple of months or so ago. They were talking about and interviewing transexuals in Iran. In Iran sexual reassignment surgery is paid for by the state. To me, I am who I am and who I am is how God made me. I'm sorry for your trouble with the church it just shouldn't be that way.
ninjafaery
Welcome Stephanieharron!
Posted on: 10/21/2009 10:03
Sorry I missed checking this group for awhile, but I'm glad you're here.
ninjafaery
Not sure I follow you Melchizedek
Posted on: 10/21/2009 10:04
I'm not sure I follow you Melchizedek.
Could you please expand on what you mean and how it applies here?
ninjafaery
Congratulations bgf!
Posted on: 10/21/2009 10:04
I haven't checked in here in awhile, bgf, but I just wanted to give you and your partner my sincerest wishes for a long and happy life together.
Bright Blessings.
thebgf
Marriage
Posted on: 10/12/2009 20:25
Just wanted to let everyone know... I got married on the weekend!!! It was wonderful.
Melchizedek
conservative/liberal
Posted on: 10/01/2009 08:12
1
Melchizedek
conservative/liberal
Posted on: 10/01/2009 08:15
From my experience/observation/study, the spectrum of sexuality and the spectrum of liberal-conservative worldviews are exactly equal in breadth and depth.
Sadly - and surprisingly - I have found that the 'liberal' community can be no less dogmatic and narrow-minded about its membership than the 'conservative' community. In my experience, I have also found that all along the spectrum of sexuality, both the 'far left' and the 'far right' and all points inbetween have shown themselves to be equally strict in their 'membership' standards and equally quick to paint themselves as the 'uber special' statistical minority which guarantees and solidifies a status as 'other.' We get to brag about this status because it supports how 'special' we are. (Don't all of God's children want to be 'special'? That's why each group along our individual spectrum have so many official and unofficial 'membership' rules.)
thebgf
Transexuals
Posted on: 09/26/2009 21:22
To my knowledge, Christ said nothing about transexualism. Christ accepted the rejects of society during his life. He was with the prostitutes, poor, etc. Today not much has changed. He wouldn't be with the religious or holier than thou peps... We.... GLBTT2QS community are also among the rejects in today's society. So my dear transexual friend.... God loves you for who you are! Never doubt that. I have come to really enjoy the United Church. I'm sure you will too.
In Pride,
Michael.
Stefanieharron
Transexuals
Posted on: 09/23/2009 14:07
What did Christ say about transexuals and sexchanges? just a question as ive had a sexchange and was asked to leave the Catholic church and never return.
Frankielad
A good web site to check out
Posted on: 07/25/2009 11:39
Here is a web site that I know is to be a great source of information and comfort for the GLBT community:
www.christiangays.com
Cheers,
Frankielad
thebgf
Ok CDNRXBY, you can be a
Posted on: 07/08/2009 21:55
Ok CDNRXBY, you can be a sista too. Interesting viewpoint! I never knew that! Thanks for the info.
CDNRXBY
@ thebgf
Posted on: 07/08/2009 12:00
I wanna be a sistah too! :-)
Some people relate homosexuality to child molestation. Oddly enough that's not biblically inaccurate. Many times the Greek word "arsenokoitai" is used in the letters from Paul. It generally refers to male pagan temple prostitues with whom the men of the time would have sex in an attempt to get closer to the God they were worshipping. IE having sex with a temple prostitue at the temple of Zeus was thought to be pleasing to Zeus. However, when "arsenokoitai" combined with the adjective "malakoi" (as it is in 1 Cor. 6:9) it comes to describe abusive pedophiles or hebephiles. This is not how the wonderful people at Zondervan translated that when they released the NIV. They chose "homosexual" because the prostitutes were having sex with men... That has now become "biblical" but theologians don't 100% concur that homosexuals were the people Paul was trying to condemn.
A really interesting site which seems to cater to both sides of the debate is this:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm
CDNRXBY
@ Ninjafaery
Posted on: 07/08/2009 11:38
Ninjafaery:
I'm happy you had them removed if they were offensive. I'm sure they were "insightful and well thought out comments from well informed and sensible Christians" - OR - they were total dicks who have no concept of human decency. I'm banking on the latter! :-)
Thanks for the insights as to the comment's content.
thebgf
Oh do I!!!!!!
Posted on: 07/08/2009 01:17
ninjafaery
Sorry
Posted on: 07/07/2009 21:47
Had I realized that they would have been valuable, I wouldn't have flagged them. I was personally very hurt by them and assumed others would be as well.
Used words like "sodomy" and grouped being gay on the same magnitude as rapists and other criminals etc....
Roballz was only responsible for one of the deleted ones. Someone else also added two.
And like I mentioned, the one I didn't flag is very tame in comparison.
The creator of this group might remember the details better.
CDNRXBY
I was going to ask what
Posted on: 07/07/2009 16:48
I was going to ask what offensive posts there were. I picked up on something between thebgf's posts but, they were deleted by the time I joined. I personally don't find Roballz post offensive at all. I'm sure he realizes he's just as much a "sinner" as we supposedly are. I just don't see how one "sin" outweighs another! :-)
ninjafaery
thebgf -- I saw those posts
Posted on: 07/07/2009 16:28
thebgf -- I saw those posts and they were pretty nasty IMO, so I flagged them as offensive. Admin must have thought they were offensive as well and removed them.
The one post from Roballz is mild in comparison to the others, so I didn't flag it.
Hope that's ok. No one missed anything worthwhile.
Ninj
thebgf
AMEN!
Posted on: 07/07/2009 11:57
Amen! Couldn't have said it better myself, CDNRXBY! Thanks for joining!
CDNRXBY
Gay - OR - Christian
Posted on: 07/07/2009 10:22
@ Roballz:
I don't mean to be argumentative but I find it strange that you consider Lev 20:13 to be the "Lords Law". I'm not a Levitical priest nor am I a Jew under Babylonian rule... Those are for whom those Levitical texts were written. Which Jesus said he came to fulfill and thus we are bound by HIS law. After all he is the LORD, is he not? What were his words on sin? I believe he puts it best in John 8:7 you may want to have a look at that.
[end chat @ Roballz]
Along the same lines of archaic laws, I'd check your closet. Deut. 22:11 condemns those who wear blended fabrics. Sorry to those Queens out there - no cotten-poly blends. And if you have kids Deut .21:18 prescribes death to rebellious kids but only after you bear false witness on them to the leaders of the town... wait... isn't THAT one of the 10 Commandments? Strange how the Bible controdicts itself eh?
What does Jesus state about homosexuality? As a fellow Christian I'm sure you can help me in my search for something Roballz. I'm serious and in no way being snide or sarcastic. I have yet to find anything from Jesus but love and acceptance of ALL. That won't work very well if we're to follow the archaic laws written in a different time for a VERY different people who didn't know God like we now know God.
For God so loved the world that he gave... Regardless of what or whom He gave, He GAVE. God is a God of love who protects not just the bold or those who claim they know Him inside and out but allso the meek and simplehearted.
I am Gay and Christian. Just like you are a who you are and Christian. However, I fail to see being Gay as a sin. I see it as a gift from the God who created (me), is creating and will continue creating as long as God exists.
ALSO - @ thebgf : Thanks for creating this group.
thebgf
FYI
Posted on: 07/06/2009 23:01
Just to let everyone know.... there were some posts that were deleted either by the host (Wondercafe) or by the individual himself. So when reading my posts, please do not think that I am merely having a discussion with myself! LOL. I'm not crazy yet! Though to some, it would be debatable. Anyway.. I welcome all opinions and discussions on this topic. Thanks Everyone... Yours, Michael.
jgerrie
Just wanted to throw my
Posted on: 07/04/2009 23:06
Just wanted to throw my support behind the position that God does not hate gay people just because they are gay. That being said, I am a bit of a prude and think there are probably lots of things about our sexual behaviour, gay or straight, that God can find reason to disaprove of. It saddens me when people use the Bible to buttress a position condeming homosexuality and homosexuals in a blanket fashion. None of the references scripture are clearly about homosexuality as we understand it today. It is not surprising that Leviticus' records an ancient Hebrew condemnation of "men lying with men." I have no problem with such pronouncements, because I think the Bible is honestly recording what ancient believers felt God was demanding of them. The Bible is, among other things, a record of the stumbling responses of God's people down through the ages to seek to understand God's perfect moral demands. It does not simply record these deamnds as some think (how could it if it was to convey any true history), but also aspects of the sincere but ultimately false attempts of his people to understand what true goodness demands. The two processes are mixed together in a way that only a wholeistic reading informed by the spirit can reveal. In other words, part of what it shows is how the quest to understand God's laws is an ongoing process in which God sticks with us despite our continual misunderstanding and inability to properely grasp his/her perfect laws. If one rejects this aspect of the story, then an important and uplifting aspect of the Bible must be ignored, which is a sad omission and not properly respectful of the multiple levels of story telling going on in it.
ninjafaery
Greetings, thebgf. Just want
Posted on: 07/03/2009 00:58
Greetings, thebgf.
Just want to thank you for starting this group and to offer my support to you for this worthwhile effort. Rest assured you are not alone.
God's Blessings.
thebgf
I welcome your opinion and
Posted on: 06/25/2009 23:31
I welcome your opinion and I find no need to justify me relationship to anyone. God understands my intentions. God understands who I am. I accept the Lord Jesus Christ into my life! Part of that, to me anyways, means that I accept myself for who I am as a person. At no point did I speak about sex! Do you realize that? What the Catholic Church or Evangelicals tell me is that "God Loves the person, not the act!". Well, I can have a relationship and remain celebate! I love my fiancee, the same way my straight brothers and sisters love their partners, just without the sex! I CAN love my future husband, spiritually, mentally and physically without breaking any of these "abominations"! Can I not?
Roballz
not fancy but eazy
Posted on: 06/25/2009 13:01
SO i hear where y'all comin from and yess eveyone does need the lord but
but you guys are practicing is a sin a direct violation of the lords law i mean
there is no gay christian it's gay or christian pick one and no matter what the lord will
love you cause your his children but he won't like that you are sinning