Hahaa that's a wicked bar! Does all gay bars there have the same phenomenon? I've never been to one since i'm underage, but somehow I suspect that I wont fit in as well  I do think gay is part of my identity, so is my race. Being gay has affected my life in many ways to a point that I cant even imagine who I'd be if I wasn't gay. Just as I couldn't imagine what I would do if I didnt know God. By the way, how can you tell if a guy is gay or not, not in gay bars, but just in daily life? I've never known any gay guys personally. And my gaydar has never worked on guys, so help me out a little?

 hhmm that is a hard question because it is so hard to tell! usually i go by gaydar.. i read people pretty well, but they could also just be a really accepting understanding guy. but usually you can tell by eye contact, little smiles. i don't want to stereotype gay guys, but i mean usually they have a pretty good sense of fashion... i dont really know. sometimes i just know. 

reality, it's so great to hear that's how you feel. It's guys who base their identity on "gay" that are the reason people stereotype them in the first place. and flyingsky, there are only so many tips I can tell you without being able to show you in person, but one of my big set offs is how they walk. If they strain their arms so their hands sway parallel with the ground, there's lika a good 95% chance they sway that way.

 yes - i forgot to make a point in the blog- im personally not against guys wearing make up, if that is there choice then go for its just i like guys, not guys that wear more make up then the three girls i went with..... the one thing always associated with homosexuality is this perverseness that the media portrays, and then all homosexuals are looked on like that ... it is interesting. and yeah freundly giant your right about the hips. if you exagerate a women's waking it is with her hips, and a mans it is with his shoulders however... lol when you do this with a  gay man you may see some ... hip action one could say also how they stand i was lined up for a picture with all these other guys, and i was the only one standing with a hip to the side, everyone else had their knees locked 

I love gay bars

Where'd you go? If it's Toronto I might have been there lol. I party every Saturday, good times

 no i'm in the west! they advertise this bar as the biggest gay bar west of montreal. i've lived here all my life and it is the only one o have heard of. lol kinda pathetic 

Hope you don't mind my highlighted hair .

Gay bars are fun

 haha i like it! my hair has been highlighted numerous times! 

After what Kinst said, I want to go gay bars now. My friends invited me to attend this all-age party at this bar in downtown Toronto during the pride week, but I didnt go, now I'm regreting. Recently, another female friend of mine was also bitching to me about how cute guys are all gay. I laughed Hahaa you guys rule!

 haha i love it 

 ok i figured it out- i didnt word my opinion properly..

its not that i don't like guys with lots of make up on(i don't like when girls wear lots of make up) i would rather see their faces and all the inperfections1 i love the little freckles, and bluching cheeks and everything, because those imperfections make that person, and i think that lots of make up covers up those imperfections. i dont like that. there- i think that sums it up better! 

one of my girl friends (girls that is a friend- i haven't dated a girl since grade 9...) always would wear cover up and i always saw her with it on so i just assumed that was her complextion. then one day i see her with very little coer up and i noticed that she had all these little freckles under her eyes! they were so cute! they fit her perfectly. at first she was embarassed, but i told her that they were lovely and she shouldn't cover them up ever again, if not for her sake, but for mine! she hardly ever wears cover up any more! 

I saw the parade for the first time this year . They have pretty giant church service that morning with Reverend Hawkes. Highly recommend both .

FlyingSky, don't worry you have lots of time, I didn't go anywhere like a club till last March, and I'm 20. Not everyone likes dancing and stuff. I'm just a bit of a slut .

 i've never been to the parade in calgary before.... i actually dont know when it is! and yeah about the gay bar, i think i would need to go with some gay guys for it to  be worth the whole thing ... for me anywase

you guys are a trip!  My first time to a gay bar was much the same as your tenxreality!  I felt as if I was being judged!  What I didn't realize is that they were just wondering who I was.  I'm sure they checked me out as the new meat on the market but hey, isn't that what going to bars when your young is all about?  Don't worry.  You are fine the way you are.  Your maturity and self acceptance will guide you on your path!  My fiance and I are about to get married in October and we are not your cookie cutter gay guys!  He's a computer nerd and I'm... well ok, I'm a designer but you know what I mean!  You need to make some friends.  Theirs a church service in my hometown inside a UCC church called MCC.  Metropolitan Community Church.  They are a gay church if you will.  They serve the gay community mostly inside United Churches, but are unaffiliated with UCC!  I'm not suggesting you switch to their church but it will introduce you to other gay christian men and women alike!  You can make some friends there.   You wont feel out of place.  At least I didn't!  And though I don't affiliate with MCC and I am now really starting to like UCC having grown up Catholic and having been out of the church for sometime. 

All I can say is that you will come to find your place in society and in life!  Spread your faerie wings and fly honey!  You are ok as you are!  Remember that! 

 thanks for the encouragement bgf! i have heard of that church program in australia to as i want to, at one point, start going to church once i settle down . there was a great article about something similar to what you are speaking of in DNA!

I would say most of the guys at most of the clubs (especially the ones where the 18 yr olds go) fit the same mold.  Maybe not looks wise, but for sure come-on wise.  The whole fake confident cocky thing - ugh.

If the gay guys at the bar just look similar, but don't act similar consider yourself lucky!

I read everything and thought this is so funny, the gay bar thing.

Background: Once, about ten years ago a friend of mine and i visited the West Coast, we had two days and nights in Victoria. We are both married, and did not share rooms on our week away from home! We were in the same boat for a while: House husbands and our very kind wifes gave us a little vacation because looking after children, cooking, doing the shopping and dishes, tending the garden and so on really took its toll.

The first evening we walk around in downtown Victoria where all the activity is. We found a nice bar and ordered one of their house beers. Nothing bothered me about the place. There were males and females. Everybody was chatting, so it was noisy and pleasant. All of a sudden my friend said softly in my ear: "This is a gay bar."

I said: "It does not bother me, I never noticed."

I really felt bad afterwards. Nobody hit on me! Am I so ugly or what?

 thanks sitka i loved that ! very insightful! 

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