The following is an essay I started writing in order to help me figure out what is happening with the church, and also to reconcile that all things are loved by God and have a place in her world. Even those people and processes, and structure that I see as destructive.
Nothing I say is something that I might change my mind. In fact I do change my mind about it several times in the same day, as I my mood and optimism changes. It is also not really an esay but a gathering of some of my thoughts, which are always changing.
The analogies might be weak or wrong, but it is an attempt by me to use different language to see good. And create a framework with which i might understand and thus be able to engage the whole church.
Any comments are welcome. i do not intend to insult or inflame. I would welcome comments that point out how wrong I am, or how I am half right, or how I might be able to use different language to say something that others understand. I do not even claim to be able to understand it myself, as I see it as part of my process of evolving, understanding and growing as a human and a Christian.
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chansen
Posted on: 07/20/2010 22:54
The immediate answer that comes to mind is, "Yes, in the sense that they are are outwardly attractive structures, ancient, and the cause of many great tragedies."
More seriously, I think the "dead coral" are the scriptures. They've certainly done their damage in years past. Attempts to take the bible metaphorically are well-intentioned and I'm sure there are some expert translations that make the bible less immoral than it initially appears, but the words are still there, and they will do damage again in the future.
Alex
Posted on: 07/21/2010 00:02
The Bible is art and filled with metaphors and analogies. That is not something only modern people believe. So did the ancient writers, as well as Christians and Jews through out history. Even fundamentalist literalists do not believe that mountains actually clapped.
It's like a play or movie script, not all the voices are there to speak the good, but to show what the good has to respond to or deal with. Also as a tool the Bible can be used to harm or to hurt. Just as water is a substance that we we all need to live, it can also be used to drown people or torture them. Still regardless of what they do with water, it still remains a good essential to life.
Coral reefs do cause many disasters, however, the coral's dead calcium reefs provides support and protection for new and living corals and a diversity of life. They are the home for a diverse and vibrant eco system. Coral reefs occupy less than 1% of the world ocean surface, yet they provide a home for 25% of all marine species.
chansen
Posted on: 07/21/2010 00:33
No, but they do believe they are about 6000 years old, and other nonsense.
Without water, we can survive for about 3 days. Without religion...wait...no change. Test it out if you want. You can use Jae for part 1 of the experiment if you'd like.
And water doesn't tell people to torture and drown others for holding the wrong beliefs about water.
Churches can do one better - they house almost 100%, or tens of thousands of Christian species (denominations), each of whom thinks their interpretation of Christianity is correct.
Alex
Posted on: 07/21/2010 02:08
No, but they do believe they are about 6000 years old, and other nonsense.
Well that points to a lack of imagination or a bad education. Some people might think the Lord of the Rings is a literally true story. However you can not blame the Lord of the Rings, or Tolkien. it's the readers lack of imagination or a bad education.
Without water, we can survive for about 3 days. Without religion...wait...no change. Test it out if you want. You can use Jae for part 1 of the experiment if you'd like.
Your original point was to the fact that religion and believing in God does harm. I agree. I was just pointing out that many things that can do good can also do harm. Just because something can be used in a harmful way does not make it bad, by itself. Only in the way it is used. Water is just an example of something that can cause harm, but that in itself does not make water a bad thing.
And water doesn't tell people to torture and drown others for holding the wrong beliefs about water.
Neither do all religions. Just as some religions will kill if used so will some water kill if drunk.
Churches can do one better - they house almost 100%, or tens of thousands of Christian species (denominations), each of whom thinks their interpretation of Christianity is correct.
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That is not true. Most people belong to denominations who understand that there are 4 gospels in the Bibles. Each is a different story, so it is also understood that there are different ways to understand Christianity, and thus there is no one single correct way. Among other things, the main defining aspect of Christianity is the resurrection story. In 3 of the gospels there are multiple people present. Each person present represents a different form of Christianity, with a different response to what the resurrection was and means.
Plato used a similar literary device when he wrote his dialogues. He put Socrates in dialogue with other philosophers who were long since dead. He used them and there names as a way to represent different schools of thought in philosophy that Socrates was in dialogue with.
The people who wrote the gospels assumed that people would understand that those present at the resurrection represented different schools of thought and traditions present in Christianity at the time. The people who compiled the New Testament understood that as well. That is why they had no problem including four gospels with different stories and with different people at the empty tomb. They all had different people, and each person represented different interpertations of Christianity that were current when the gospels were written. This means that from the begining that there were many different types of Christians.
No one believes that there is only one correct interpertation, except those who belive the earth is only 6000 years old, and they are a small but vocal majority, who are just ignored by everyone else.
You should ask other members of Wondercafe
As an engineer you should understand that you can build something in many different ways, and some are better than others for different reasons. But what is best will change when you have different materials to work with, and different technologies, with different types of skilled labour, different amount of time, and different amounts of money.
Likewise Christians will be different according to the situation and place. However just like some engineers will wish to build things in only one way, because that is all they know and it is easier to do so for themselves rather than learn what is best according to new contexts, some Christians are like that too. That is why you have bad religion, and that is why bridges some bridges fall, and some buildlngs are not safe, and some oil wells are dangerous.