Pretty standard practice in the corporate world. Ensures that your branding is consistent by enforcing standards on how the crest (which is basically your "logo") is applied. All use of my employer's logos has to be approved by marketing in our case, though legal has to approve the standards she uses to ensure it matches our registered trademarks.

Mendalla

That was the case with the old one too.  In fact the quoted language is wholly unchangeded from a year and a half ago when we were making a float for the community July 1 parade.  WE got pemission then and have already got permission (and the e-mail with the graphics) for our website with the updated version

At first I thought this was about getting free samples of a new toothpaste.  

I agree that it makes sense to ask for permission to use the crest because when you have the crest on your letter head or website, for instance, you're representing the United Church.  That means that the United Church stands behind whatever you are saying or doing.  Using it without permission is stealing the legitimacy of the United Church to use for yourself.

Not really. It's the other way around. It places the obligation on the writer to reflect the values of the United Church.

Only recently. I have the original TIFF crest graphic produced in the 1990's that I never asked permission to use, nor did I ever have to.

TIFF?

The new crest, as was the case with the old (or one could say "classic") crest, requires 'permission'. Permission is not hard to get, if you are a United Church, or related ministry.

There was a crest designed by our colleague, Chris, on which our Ministry and Employment logo is based; that version may not have had the stricter permissions required for use.

I think he means he has it in TIFF format (Tagged Image File Format).

Mendalla

Yes. TIFF. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagged_Image_File_Format

It came on a 720k floppy disk. I may have even got it from Chris, as he was in DivComm (UCPH Graphic & Print) back in those days. We didn't worry about permissions then, either.

"Presbytery" (or Conference or General Council) "is us" - until one of "us" wants to use "our" crest. Then "we" have to get permission from "you."

Just pointing out the inconsistency. 

Rev Steven, Only the United Church of Canada tries hard to be inconsistent.

I use new Crest

So are "you" on first? Or is it "we"? "Is us" at bat now?

Hi DKS,

Doesn't matter if the umpires are replacements.

Grace and peace to you.

John

I'm not sure it's only the United Church that tries hard to do this, but I'd agree that we probably try the hardest!

Hi Rev. Steven Davis,

And with all of our practice we make it look so easy.

Grace and peace to you.

John

It makes sense to me that individuals, agencies, etc. that are not directly involved with the UCCanada need permission to use the crest. What I don't understand is why they make UCCanada churches get the permission first. It would seem to slow the production of materials which the individual congregations might needing in doing their acts of service.

Really: it's not a slow process! Plus, I'm not sure where else you'd 'get' a great quality file of the crest to use...

All you need to do is email Alison Jordan!  ajordan@united-church.ca

Alison is the Program Assistant for the legal department, and she'll send you the crest, and the 'terms of use' (which are pretty standard).

So, permission to use the crest .... got that for the old one, took months.

so do we need to get permission to use the Creed?  Especially if we put it on the screen for people to say together at worship? 

What if we are quoting or using portions of "Song of Faith?" They are in the Basis now so must be copyright.

Hmmm.

Allison responded to my request within an hour. Jowever, I'm still awaiting the actual crest files...

Matt81, when I asked about the old crest and about the updated it took about 36 hours each time.

Doesn't slow things down at all.

DKS: That's Alison (one 'l').

Typining too fasht...

Okay buddy, pull that keyboard over to the curb and get your license and registration ready.

Grace and peace to you.

John

I emailed Alison today re: using the crest and received a reply from her within a half an hour.  The email with the Crest files arrived soon after.  Very prompt service, I'd say.

Great!   I'm looking for Mugs, Note paper, T-shirts...and the like...with the new

Crest.

I want to see the cloisonne crest pin.

thanks gecko for giving positive results as well as the negative.

for those who were concerned about service, were your issues resolved?

After a week and a second e-mail...

HI..our Miniister asked for it on Oct 16th at 11:14 a.m. …received it on the Oct16th at noon........I got it today for use in the bulletin….nothing wrong with that…..

yeah, you know, sometimes people are out or busy, or an email gets misplaced..or the ask is odd...or the person has a reputation forbeing unable to please so you have to triple check stuff

Permission e-mail was CC'd. Others reported almost instant response. Mine took a week and a second e-mail. Yeah. It was my fault. Always is.

Hi DKS,

Thank you so much for admitting that.

I presume you are okay with me referencing your claim whenever there is trouble of any kind.

Though, in keeping with this latest error on your part I will not blame you until there has been a second complaint or nearly a week has passed since the first one.

Whether your reputation is earned or not it is convenient.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Funny story. 

I had one person who required special treatment.  No matter how I responded to an email, it would be a flame coming back or an escalation.  No issue could be dealth with nicely.  I knew that no matter what it would be hot.  The team cringed when they got an email from her.  No one wanted to call for incidents.  No one wanted to respond.  Why? No matter how hard they tried, there would be a complaint.   Her emails would sit in the queue with people going you take it, no, you.   

HR was involved due to the behaviour of the person.  It wasn't just our team that took the hit, but she definitely did like to bully people, especially those she considered unworthy of their jobs.  (you know, she could do anybody's job faster & easier than them)

What was funny was that one day, I accidently put in a mail rule to auto-delete, and set the rule wrong.  Yup, started auto-deleting her mail. It truly ws an accident, as I had to read / manage the email responses from teh team, to prewarn people for escalations, and to manage the flame wars.   I must admit my life was pretty calm for a while as I missed the storm going on around me about how I wasn't responding to her emails! lol.  aaah well. 

anyhow, sometimes, people who you cannot please no matter how hard you try, who are always full of complaints truly do get shittier service.   whether that was the case here or not, dks, i don'tknow.  I do know, that based on your negativity regarding anything technical that the church does, that i am sure my team would begin to be afraid to respond to your emails.  hopefully, your behaviour of negativity only manifests on this site.

Scapegoating always is.

I get responses to my e-mails. Found a serious privacy violation yesterday in one set of our presbytery minutes posted on line. I take time to read them. Was thanked by admin staff for catching the matter.

Hi DKS,

I'm reading that as an affirmation.  Thank you for your willingness to stand at the end of my accusatory finger.  I will try not to abuse your graciousness.

One the off-chance that I become thoroughly abusive with scapegoating you.  I hope that you will remember, it really is all your fault.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Hi DKS,

Clearly they don't know how the serious privacy violation must have been your fault.

They should have been blaming you instead of thanking you.

Grace and peace to you.

John

It was probably predestined to be my fault.

DKS are you saying that YOU are the scapegoat for the UCCan - or THEY are the scapegoat for you?  Just trying to get an idea of what happened and how it all played out.

Hi DKS,

I think you are confusing predeterminism with predestination.  Still, you are probably right.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Don't take the theological banter between John and myself too seriously.

Now that we have that settled, shall we move on to the possible date of the Second Coming? I don't want to take the blame for that.

Hi DKS,

I've seen that odd birthmark behind your right ear.  You are so implicated.

Grace and peace to you.

John

I don't know, i am pretty sure that dks in some way caused there to be an internet slowdown due to his poor internet speed that resulted in the traffic being slowed down.

Did he cause the traffic slow down on my way into work today too??? 

Hi Pinga,

I'm certain of it.

In fact, earlier this morning I dropped a slice of buttered toast and it landed buttered side down.  I don't know who DKS manages it.  I am certain he is to blame.

Also, I have been noticing that it is getting dark way earlier and the sun is rising way later.  That can't be a coincidence DKS has obiviously changed the timer settings on the sun.

I have it on good authority that DKS gave that fan the horrible broom which caused the Cincinnati Reds to blow a 2-0 series lead in a best 3 of 5 championship series.

If there is something wrong in the world DKS has got his mitts on it somehow.

Mitts?

Mitt Romney!!

I'm blaming that on DKS also.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Hi somegalfromcan,

Yes, he is also the guy who has been painting the leaves on trees unnatural colours and then dumping them all over everybodies lawns.

Grace and peace to you.

John

I guess I should also blame him for the rain that is making those piles of leaves ridiculously heavy then too! 

I have been told that my presence on earth causes it to spin out of balance, as well.

actually, it isn't so much that dks causes items to occur, rather it is that he reports the negative or dark side

most of us have toast that falls butter down.  some of us feel that it is because the butter company changed their recipe