OK, I confess, this made me smile with the possibilities.....
A billionaire's Waterworld takes libertarianism to new depths
Tabatha Southey
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Aug. 19, 2011 6:17PM EDT
[...]
Peter Thiel, the billionaire founder of PayPal and Facebook financier, has also embarked on a plan for a new society, for which the location has already been decided and money may not be an issue. The project is described in a profile of Mr. Thiel in September's Details magazine. The new community is to be built about 320 kilometres off the coast of San Francisco, in international waters, free from U.S. regulations. Mr. Thiel is one of the project's main benefactors, to the tune of $1.25-million. The idea is to create what the founders hope will be the first of many sovereign nations all built on top of enormous oil-rig-like structures.
These countries are to be governed on libertarian principles. The ultimate goal, Patri Friedman, grandson of Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman, a former Google engineer and the man behind a concept he calls “seasteading,” is to “open a frontier for experimenting with new ideas for government,” to build a country where there is no welfare, little gun control, no minimum wage and looser building codes. Because the first place most of us want to experiment with looser building codes is 320 kilometres out to sea.
I suppose, the theory goes, that if one of these nation-states were to tumble into the deep during a tornado, no one would hire that builder to construct a nation-state again – so the invisible hand of the market will save the vast majority of people from drowning.
Despite the almost indisputable fact that, as Warren Buffett said in an op-ed in The New York Times this week, the rich are not paying their fair share of taxes in America (almost any other country would have to cut personal income taxes to get to the level Mr. Buffett would like to have them raised to), the people behind the seasteading project are certain that America isn't being kind enough to her billionaires. America's tax system and gated communities are letting them down, they believe. These offshore gated communities are the next logical step.
It's possible to view this project, which proposes to have more than 150 people aboard a prototype by 2014, as both an experimental new society (AynRandLandia, perhaps) and a kind of political pirate radio broadcasting ideas to the world. Pirate radio stations, most of which operate on boats, are an example of early seasteading, enjoying the freedom international waters offer.
Mr. Thiel's support for the seasteading project doesn't extend to actually moving to this brand-new country. He's not keen on boats – and I imagine that if there is anything worse then being out at sea with a large number of billionaires, it is being out at sea with a large group of seasick billionaires, so I suppose that is for the best.
********************
I can imagine a worse scenario, seasick billionaires coping with a rusting infrastructure and no gun control
© WonderCafe. All Rights Reserved
Brought to you by the people of The United Church of Canada
Opinions expressed on this site are not necessarily those of WonderCafe or The United Church of Canada
Comments
LBmuskoka
Posted on: 08/20/2011 06:22
And this is why I admire Warren Buffett, the world would be a better place if more billionaires were like him....
Stop Coddling the Super-Rich
By WARREN E. BUFFETT
Published: August 14, 2011
While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.
These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places.
Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.
[...]
Back in the 1980s and 1990s, tax rates for the rich were far higher, and my percentage rate was in the middle of the pack. According to a theory I sometimes hear, I should have thrown a fit and refused to invest because of the elevated tax rates on capital gains and dividends.
I didn’t refuse, nor did others. I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone — not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 — shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain. People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off. And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation.
LBmuskoka
Posted on: 08/20/2011 07:52
And the saga continues (bold emphasis mine)...
Jon Stewart Takes On Fox News' 'Class Warfare' Claims (VIDEO)
While the GOP wants to make low-level spending cuts to social, educational and other programs, President Obama and company suggest taxing the mega-rich. So it was pretty surprising this week when Warren Buffet wrote his op-ed saying he and his millionaire cohorts ought to be paying more taxes. Fox News called it "Class Warfare," with one pundit even calling Buffett a Socialist, which got a hilarious reaction from Stewart:
"You really have no f**king clue what Socialism is, do you?"
EasternOrthodox
Posted on: 08/21/2011 12:06
Article on Billionaire Boat People: totally unreal. Unbelievable.
RevMatt
Posted on: 08/21/2011 17:53
I'm sure they will still expect help in the event of a disaster - paid for by other countries 'cause they will be "too big to fail."
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 08/21/2011 18:47
Kudos to Neophiles like Mr. Thiel who are willing to try 'new' things :3
(remember folks: why do you live in your country and live the way you do? Probably because you were born there and I think there are certain interests who would like you to not think very hard aboot your country)
The USA after 1776 is an intentional 'created country'. Russia is a created society (each time it gets taken over the history books get wiped clean -- 'Russian' literature was intentionally invented to cement the 'Russian' character).
There's the Venus Project.
Here's a cool list of Intentional Communities right now.
I can already see people here on WC factionalizing into different groups -- the Mudders, who don't want to leave Earth. The Orbiters, who like Earth and are afraid of space, but really love zero grav, so they live in habitats orbiting Earth. The Naturalists, who believe in Nature as Queen, so live according to as little interference with Nature as possible. We have the Spacers, who so love space that they don't like planets, so they always spend their time travelling. And so on.
The goal of making everyone equally rich isn't to make one world view, but, rather, what secularism does well -- giving everyone the opportunity to live as they want to live.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 08/21/2011 23:18
I spoke too soon -- welcome to SPACE TOURISM!
revjohn
Posted on: 09/07/2011 10:43
Didn't Kevin Kostner already make WaterWorld?
LBmuskoka
Posted on: 09/08/2011 07:00
Rev John, yes and it was a disaster on so many levels ;-o
chansen
Posted on: 09/08/2011 09:22
And the saga continues (bold emphasis mine)...
Jon Stewart Takes On Fox News' 'Class Warfare' Claims (VIDEO)
While the GOP wants to make low-level spending cuts to social, educational and other programs, President Obama and company suggest taxing the mega-rich. So it was pretty surprising this week when Warren Buffet wrote his op-ed saying he and his millionaire cohorts ought to be paying more taxes. Fox News called it "Class Warfare," with one pundit even calling Buffett a Socialist, which got a hilarious reaction from Stewart:
"You really have no f**king clue what Socialism is, do you?"
Calling Warren Buffett a socialist? That's absolutely hilarious.
There are just so many reasons to be thankful for Fox News.
revjohn
Posted on: 09/08/2011 09:47
Hi chansen,
There are just so many reasons to be thankful for Fox News.
Sometimes you wonder how hard it must be to write for the Daily Show when Fox vomits nonsense like this more regularly than Old Faithful blows steam.
Grace and peace to you.
John
chansen
Posted on: 09/08/2011 13:31
It must feel like they're cheating, some days. Like sitting at a multiple choice test, and the answers are already highlighted for you.
I think the main problem with writing jokes about Fox News, is trying to come up with something other than the obvious joke that almost anyone could write. That, and having people sit and watch Fox, 24/7. Those people are underpaid.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 09/16/2011 10:36
Is Socialism a rare case in a capital ideal?
Sort of like intellect in an emotional social order ... pure chaos ... like the conception of p'un-dite ... in other words that' a word of phun directed against the GUIse in the other boat that haven't seen themselves yet ... takes a long step into the far pool of senses ... St Þêðrè ... an old fellow that smells quite ripe with wisdom ... people really hate IT! They come from up there to down here for reflected light as a chance to see themselves as they really are in the Shadow ... quite dark powers to say the least ... intelligence can't understand emotion so why would emotional type understand itself? Puts the metamorphosis of myth in a real bind ... like psyche-IC eve in de light!