I've read a few things lately that have started me thinking. My thoughts are kind of rough and disjointed and I'm having difficulty putting my finger on exactly what it is that I'm thinking, so I thought I'd write here to try to make sense of it all and also to get other opinions. It's a lot of seemingly separate ideas that I feel are connected.
That's just a short list of some of the things that either started me thinking about this OR that came up in my mind when I started thinking about it. I think it started when the same person shared two posts on facebook. One was about the Christian girl being charged with blasphemy and he (an atheist himself) made a comment about how wrong it is to have blasphemy laws anywhere because people should be able to believe whatever they believe. The other was about cultural appropriation of Native items and symbols and he (also a Native) commented on how offensive it is. It made me start to wonder if these are mutually exclusive thoughts, or if there is some logic to it, or if there is some line at which respect for someone else or a group of people is crossed.
Clearly there are extremes in the two situations because a girl going to prison isn't the same as simply saying "People shouldn't do that." Maybe the issue at the heart of this is whether things should be illegal or simply part of the rules of good manners. It seems to me that the central issue here is the same, though, and that issue is having our deeply cherished beliefs or history or culture disrespected by outsiders.
How about "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day?" It's blasphemous in the Islamic faith to create images of Mohammed, so respecting others would dictate that we don't draw pictures of Mohammed. At the same time, though, some people who have drawn Mohammed have received death threats for doing it which started other people drawing Mohammed to make a point. Is it ok? On the surface it seems harmless enough, but is it ok to disrespect an entire religion to make a point to a few who go overboard?
How about Native Mascots for sports teams? That's an interesting one. I especially love it when people supporting the right to have Native mascots talk about the importance of the team's tradition to have the mascot while ignoring the Native people's objection of the mocking of their traditions. BUT...and there is always a but...is it always mocking? I don't know. SOmetimes it obviously is; Red Skins is a derogatory term, for instance. Chief Wahoo is an insulting charicature. What about names like Chiefs or Braves, though? Are they still offensive, or are they the equivalent of names like Kings and Knights?
On to the religious and cultural symbols and items. I know non-Buddhists who have yin yang symbols in their homes and even tattoos of them. They have them because they like the look of the symbol and because they like the meaning of it. Dreamcatchers really make me question things because there is so much disagreement about them. They were originally Ojibwa but other Native groups started to make them and use them in the 1960s. Is this cultural appropriation from one Native group to another??? Some groups maintain that they are sacred objects and should be treated that way while others produce them and sell them or visit classrooms of non-Native students to teach them how to make them. The same is true for a variety of masks and totem poles. Some feel that it is disrespectful and destroying their culture while others feel that it's perfectly fine. As an outsider, what am I to do or even think? I put a Dreamcatcher in Rachel's room when she was having nightmares; did I do something wrong when I did that?
Meanwhile, in Christianity things seem to go in the opposite direction. Instead of protecting religious symbols, they are flaunted and commercialized. People wear crosses and rosaries as jewellery. They dress up as priests, nuns and monks for Halloween. Does Christianity maintain its position of power because it permeates everything or is Christianity watered down by all this secularization? What does it mean when everyone has a Christmas tree, but a lot of them aren't Christian? I've had Hindu, Sikh and Muslim students ask me to do Secret Santa every year. The Celebration of Christmas has obviously taken over the Message of Christmas. Is this the kind of disrespect that other cultures and/or religions are trying to avoid by keeping their sacred stuff sacred? The early Christians appropriated many of today's Christian symbols from Pagans to increase their reach and it led to Christianity gaining power; it led to a spreading of the religion and also a lot of changes to it. It seems the choices are to give it to the masses to see what happens or to hold it close and never let it change.
What happens when the masses get their hands on sacred symbols? We get the Baby Jesus Buttplug. Here's the website for a whole host of mostly Christian based sex toys: http://divine-interventions.com/religioustoys.php The responses to these will range from hilarious to horrifying, but it's still the same issue of respect...isn't it? Is it ok to make and/or buy these or not? Does it make a difference if the person in question comes from a Christian background or not?
I don't want to keep going all night, but there are other things that connect here: Pussy Riot's prison term (as well as any other time people have been jailed for protesting), flag burning, teaching evolution and land bridge theory in schools despite the objections of religious groups who are offended by them and so on. There is a wide continuum here from blatant disrespect and even oppression at one end to being able to disagree and express our points of view. Is it wrong when a person from one culture genuinely feels a connection to part of another culture and makes use of that part with no intent to offend but rather to enrich his or her life? Where, if there is a line at all, is the line drawn?
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Tabitha
Posted on: 09/05/2012 23:59
among the native symbols the "southernization" of Inukshuks bothers me. They were a tool and art-and are supposed to be ABOVE the tree line where they actually serve their purposes......
Azdgari
Posted on: 09/05/2012 23:59
Just on your first paragraph: They are not contradictory thoughts. Anti-blasphemy laws make it illegal to express certain thoughts. The expression of those thoughts can still be judged to be offensive without making them illegal.
Now, if your atheist friend thought that cultural appropriation ought to be illegal, then he'd be on thin ice indeed.
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/06/2012 00:06
chansen
Posted on: 09/06/2012 09:47
How about "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day?" It's blasphemous in the Islamic faith to create images of Mohammed, so respecting others would dictate that we don't draw pictures of Mohammed. At the same time, though, some people who have drawn Mohammed have received death threats for doing it which started other people drawing Mohammed to make a point. Is it ok? On the surface it seems harmless enough, but is it ok to disrespect an entire religion to make a point to a few who go overboard?
I've extracted the bits about Everybody Draw Mohammed Day because I think Steven's point deserves to be highlighted.
And, of course, links to images have never been deleted here, so if Steven won't provide links, I will:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad
http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
http://www.jesusandmo.net/ < an excellent web cartoon strip
As for Mists' question of "is it ok to disrespect an entire religion to make a point to a few who go overboard?", I don't think that drawing happy, otherwise inoffensive images of a prophet is "disrespect" of the prophet or the religion. Certainly, as Steven points out, there is a precident for Muslims producing "respectful" images of Mohammad. I think it is disrespectful towards religious fundamentalists, and that's a group I have no problem disrespecting, be they Muslims, Christians, or otherwise.
chansen
Posted on: 09/06/2012 09:52
I've read a few things lately that have started me thinking. My thoughts are kind of rough and disjointed and I'm having difficulty putting my finger on exactly what it is that I'm thinking, so I thought I'd write here to try to make sense of it all and also to get other opinions. It's a lot of seemingly separate ideas that I feel are connected.
Actually, the imam who accused the Christian girl has been arrested, accused of framing the girl:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19454739
Wow. Who would ever have suspected a religious leader to lie to promote and protect his faith and harm a child in the process?
/sarcasm
qwerty
Posted on: 09/06/2012 10:00
This seems a pretty diverse and slippery topic. The imam framing the little girl shows how things like "blasphemy laws" can be used as a means of appropriating property. The idea in the case of the little girl was to foment hatred and violence which would cause the Christians to vacate their properties in an area which the imam and presumably his followers wished to use to set up a madrassa.
I'll leave it to someone else to explain the Jesus buttplug.
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 09/06/2012 12:02
I'll leave it to someone else to explain the Jesus buttplug.
As with all matters of faith, qwerty, some things are just a mystery - and some of those mysteries are simply better left that way!
Azdgari
Posted on: 09/06/2012 12:07
If it did not have a role to play in the Divine plan, then it would not exist...
chansen
Posted on: 09/06/2012 12:27
I'll leave it to someone else to explain the Jesus buttplug.
Jesus is everywhere?
arachne
Posted on: 09/07/2012 12:59
I'll leave it to someone else to explain the Jesus buttplug.
If I may hypothesize, some people have been hurt very badly by Christianity, and been alienated from everyone and everything they knew. Some of them might find poetic justice, as well as the satisfaction inherent in the function of the product, in its use.
squirrellover
Posted on: 09/07/2012 13:52
MistsOfSpring, awesome post!
I don't agree with people wearing any religious symbol as a fashion accessory. I wouldn't go as far as making it illegal, this is a free country.
I wouldn't deny anyone the right to take from another culture some aspect they take comfort in, eg. your use of the dreamcatcher for Rachel. But to hang one in your car because you think it's pretty? Still, cannot make such a thing illegal.
But a sexual aide in the shape of ANYONE'S religious ruler is beyond distasteful. The "business" of that? Commercial gain through THAT? Would you call the person who had a butt plug in the shape of the baby Jesus a hater or a pedophile? hmmm...maybe that changes it up now?
I gotta stop now, I feel a rant coming on and my 15 min. coffee break is over!
chansen
Posted on: 09/07/2012 20:37
I'll leave it to someone else to explain the Jesus buttplug.
If I may hypothesize, some people have been hurt very badly by Christianity...
LMAO
chansen
Posted on: 09/07/2012 20:41
Calling that person a "pedophile" would be ridiculous. Calling that person a "hater" is still potentially inaccurate. They may just have a sense of humour about the whole thing. How awful.
seeler
Posted on: 09/08/2012 07:41
I don't agree with people wearing any religious symbol as a fashion accessory. I wouldn't go as far as making it illegal, this is a free country.
Squirrellover - how would you determine if the person is wearing a religious symbol as a fashion symbol?
I have five or six crosses that I wear occasionally. One fairly large one was given to me when I graduated as a lay leader. I wear it every time I lead in worship. Two are simple wooden crosses - I occasionally wear one or the other (they are similar, both are gifts) in more informal worship occasions.
My little gold cross was given to me by my husband, on our engagement. Being RC at the time he always wore a crucifix (usually under his shirt). We agreed that I should also wear a cross.
My little silver one - I don't remember where I got it and I seldom wear it.
I also have a pin that indicates I am a life member of the UCW. It incorporates the UCC crest. I have another, older, pin just depicting the crest. I wear it when I want to make a statement that I am proud to be United.
I have several pins shaped like fish - some just the symbolic shape, some more realistic. They all have meaning to me, and I wear them occasionally.
I also have jewellry that symbolizes (to me at least): peace, love, joy, hope, friendship.
Some pieces are very attractive. I coordinate them with my outfit and my other jewellry (I almost never take out my tiny diamond earrings that my sister gave me)
Are they meaningful religious symbols? Often yes.
Are they a fashion accessory? Sometimes.
How would anyone know without engaging in conversation with me? And sometimes I would say 'both' and sometimes 'I'm not sure, I just felt like wearing this today.'
I also have a fish symbol on my car.
squirrellover
Posted on: 09/08/2012 18:41
I wouldn't feel the need to ask. I can disagree, have my own opinion, without being compelled to change them.