Hi Alex,

Just because they are minus a foot it doesn't follow that they are dead?

Perhaps it is actually an application for a future Conservative Candidate who is exceptionally good at stumping?

Grace and peace to you.

John

Better than having your ass handed to you

The local reporter for the CBC first question, "Was Is it clearly  a foot?"  Hew next question was  "Was it a left foot or a right foot" I guess she is hoping to moveup to covering Parliment.  or she was thinking by narrowing it down those who are missing a foot would know it by chance it could be theres.

Later she asked . Why is this being investiagted by the majot crime unit. Is it not just a prank?  

Whats with the CBC?

witch and RevJohn, I am going to sign off tonight ROTFLMAO

Maybe a rookie politician was just trying to get his foot in the door?

Perhaps there is a new way to rpotests.  In New Jersey a man cut out his entrails and threw them at police, last Sunday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/29/wayne-carter-threw-intestines-at-officers-stabbed-self-new-jersey_n_1554126.html?ref=mostpopular

Good one somegal

He couldnt because he lost his footing

that's some hard core takeout

This story keeps getting creepier: first a foot in the mail, then a torso in a suitcase and now a hand in the mail.

performance art gone wrong?

cloned human being?

political joke on the body politic?

Perhaps the foot belongs to Pierre Poutine and somebody is sending the Conservatives a message about Robofraud?

There must be an easier way to teach the  Tories a lesson.

I think it's safe to say that the sender is clearly hopping mad.

breaking news. It appears that a hand was sent to the liberal party HQ.

What does this mean?

Perhaps the hand will jump to the front of the leadership race.

It will be interesting to see what body part the NDP will get? I heard the torso that was foundin Montreal was missing a head.

clap and a half , clap and a half

I am not sure I see the humour here.

a person or persons has been murdered and dismembered.

tell me again why that is funny?

As someone who has lived through a lot of death, seeing many of my friends die before they reached 30, and than continued to see so many more die, I try to find humour even in death, otherwise death wins.

  Black humour has a tradition going back to ancient times.

Alex, I have no issues with poking a bit of fun at an absurd, unusual story and funny headlines.  I do find the lack of sympathy being expressed to the person who opened the parcel appalling.  I think finding such a thing in the mail would be shocking, horrifying, and I think it would be natural to feel victimized and violated.

I haven't seen any information about who the body parts came from.  It's more difficult to be sympathetic towards someone unknown and circumstances unknown than someone when you have some details as to what happened.

The latest suspect is an an adult film star from Toronto who lives in Montreal. He is wanted for questioning. His name is Luka Rocco Magnotta, 

Check out the story here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/30/luka-rocco-magnotta-dead-montreal-torso-ottawa-foot_n_1556562.html?1338404128&ref=canada

This story is getting more and more bizarre. It appears that the killer filmed the killing and posted it online. Where anyone can still watch it.

I will not post the link to the video, but here is a link to an Xtra News article that talks about it and provides a link.

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Is Jigsaw resurrected?

I can imagine this in Britain:  "Could you put the trunk in the baggage then that in the boot."

And "The foot was in the post..."

Note:  there was a baby that was born with a foot in it's brain...

"a person or persons has been murdered and dismembered."

Not quite sure how one jumps automatically to that conclusion.  I haven't looked at all the most recent headlines relating to these rather creepy events of course but has anyone considered that the body parts could come from a cadaver? or be medical waste?

Now the National Post has provided a full description of the alledge video that shows the murder.   Unlike the Xtra News article which decided after a few hours (and many furious comments) it no longer name the  web site when you can watch it and provide a link. The National Post article provodes the name of the web site, but no link.

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So do you think media organisations should provide links to crimes like this, or the deaths of people. (like executions or accidents?)

It was only discovered later today that the foot came from a murder victim. LIkely removed after he died.

Eek!  Free publicity for that gore website

Having just read some of the more recent news updates I have to say this is getting creepier by the minute.

The NDP have no need to receive a head, nor a heart for that matter. About the only body part I'd say the NDP leader needs to receive is a smoothly-shaved chin.

Rich blessings.

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MC jae

I'm totally creeped out by this foot thing, to the point where I even felt guilty when it crossed my mind that it was totally unnecessary to send them the foot when everyone knows that all the Conservatives needed was to be given the boot.

I suspect that is why Xtra nevr mentioned the web sights name.  The National Post has an oped by Blatchford, condemning the website and the internet. However they are te only news orgainsation that is giving the web site free plublicity.

"...most neuroses and some psychoses can be traced to the unnecessary and unhealthy habit of daily wallowing in the troubles and sins of five billion strangers."

-- Jubal Harshaw

"A desire not to butt into other people's business is at least eighty percent of all human 'wisdom'...and the other twenty percent isn't very important."

-- Jubal Harshaw

Earlier today I went to the site.  I don't know why, other than curiosity.  I did NOT watch the video.  The information and 1 picture on that site was way more than enough.  Apparantly the video contained many despicable acts.  Basically, if it's a very understandable taboo, it happened.

My reasoning for assuming murder, which appears to be the ce, is that the package seeped blood.

A cadaver does not seep blood.

And even if it was a cadaver, stolen from a morgue or lab, it is still a crime to dismember and desecrate a body.

I get black humor Alex, but I thought this was something out of line for this forum.

Mainly an opportunity to bash the conservative party.

So are you not also going to bash the liberals who were to receive a hand I the mail until Canada post got it first?

Welcome to the real world of crime. What used to be never mentioned, is now public property. And that is not necessarily for the better.

I watched Canada am this morning....

With a straight face, a reporter who was in Ottawa said "It was the foot that kicked the whole thing off."  

That cracked me up!

I'm actually fairly familair with the world of real crime.. give John Douglas' books (Mind Hunter, Journey Into Darkness, Obsession) a go sometime if you have the stomach for it.  He was one of the FBI agents who essentially invented behavioral profiling and his books on serial killers get pretty graphic.

I had not clicked on this thread until now. Why? I know that if a hand went to Romney's or Obama's campaign headquarters it would be comedy fodder for Letterman, Leno, Behar, et al. The comic may or may not be representing their genuine political views. Most comics go for the joke and it does not matter who....You may just see their comedy view on what is and is not funny. I can see a political party I adore roasted and laugh. I have laughed at jokes about gays.

Watching them have their go at it, I would or would not find it funny. Part is delivery, part is how much I like the style... there are variables.

I am part of those variables. Am I in a giggly mood? Am I not?  I also know I arrive at any black comedy as the child of someone murdered. Does that mean I cannot laugh? No. There are times I have.

Likely, if it is funny, I would laugh and then at some point say to myself, "this is not funny", perhaps while still laughing my fool head off.

If I knew going in there would be dismembered body jokes, I likely would not tune in (whether or not I like the comics or not) So, I didn't. I knew it would get there, even it it did not start there. This could have started as a news post. I did not know, because I had not read. I simply expected, at some point, there to be jokes made. So, I did not tune in.

I guess if you expected this to be a CNN type thread and get ComedyCentral, you might get your knickers in a knot. It might even offend you.

I am not sure about those who keep tuning back in to be re-offended...

For me, it is humour and it is either funny or not.

Is it funny? Not really, but that said, it can be.

This morning a news report said, "police got a hand from the folks at gore.com."     The reporter then added very seriously and nervously, "not a real hand, they got tips, tips from people at gore.com" I laughed. It was funny. Then I said, "this is not funny".

I agree.  

Sometimes we human beings react (inappropriately?) to appalling situations for reasons that even we have difficulty explaining.  Sometimes the things we see or hear about are so far out of the realm of what we have experienced that we have trouble deciding what to make of the information.  

Opening a box at work to find a foot in it would be a shock to be sure.  I think I would find it surreal.  Upon hearing that it happened to someone else, if I knew that individual, I would at first think they were yanking my chain.  

I recall, years ago, sitting in medical lecture at UofT. On the screen was presented a man whose face had been centrally eaten away, by what, I cannot exactly recall.  Likely and agressive cancer.  You could see right into his sinuses.  It was a horrific image.  The audience was laughing an uncomfortable, nervous laugh.  Many in the crowd were physicians and surgeons. It was very strange.  I also recall watching a video years ago about skin grafts.  There was a mixed response in class........from nervous laughter, to hands over the eyes (me) to leaving the room to throw up.  

The subject of the murder of this man is a tragedy and a crime.  The comments made still make me laugh, and I feel sort of guilty about that, much like when I laughed at the photo of the man with half a face.  OMG! surely that can't be real?  Sadly, it is.

It seems that the police is afraid that the killer might be at the start of a killing spree, with more victims to come.

News reports also say that the Killer has family in Peterborough, and people there are on the lookout for him.

We humans are complex creatures........

We are perfectly capable of empathising with the shock and horror faced by the person opening the package -and yet at the same time laugh with comedians when they send up the whole sorry saga.

As with a lot of humour there is also the element of,"I'm relieved that didn't happen to me"!

Humour can give us the distance we need to cope with suffering.

A lot of comedians suffer from depression.

Their humour can be a defence against their illness - and sometimes, as with the suicide of Tony Hancock, it's not enough.............

(I have my own theory that those who can't enjoy dark comedy are restrained in other ways -and can't enjoy their full humanity. Being "righteous" outweighs being fully human)........

My brother and I have enjoyed dark humour since we were kids and came across a book of jokes in our parent's bookcase.

Here's a joke that, many, many, years later I still remember.

"Why did you put barbed wire on your banisters?"

"To stop Grandma from sliding down them."

 "Did it stop her?"

"No. But it sure slows her down."

These things are also unbeleievable that our brains see them as fiction. Much like those who watched the trade towers collapse, there brains interperted it as something out of a movie.

This is so unbelievable that a lawyer in the US who was alerted to the online video, and was convinced that it was real, spent the day phoning police agencies in Canada to report it. . Except for the RCMP none believed him, and even refuse to give out their email to him so that he could send them a copy of the link to the video.  

Roger Renville, a U.S. civil litigation lawyer, told CBC News Thursday that he had come across the 10½-minute video Saturday morning on a website that showcases gory videos. Renville said he believes the video documents the killing and dismemberment of a man.

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Finding something to be funny does not take away from something's seriousness -- they are NOT OPPOSITES

The opposite of funny is not funny and, as we all know, not everyone shares the same humour

My uncle found Codco funny -- I never undertstood it

I used to find Jerry Lewis hilarious, now I don't

Forgive me now trying to explain humour (*gack* *wheeze* gotta up my Puritan innoculations...) perhaps what we find to be sacred & blasphemous we tend not to find humour in -- a human body can be seen as sacred and laughing at death can be seen as blasphemous.  The Conservative party are seen by some as sacred and making fun of them can be seen as blasphemous.  Etc etc etc

*gack* I feel ill...*injects self with Puritan booster shot*

One thing that is mreally creepy is reading about how the accused killer was a big time internet troll, with many different sock puppets. If I had read that he had any interest in theology I would be trying to limk him up with some of the trolls we see on Wondercafe.

Do we have any members here from Peterborough?  Is there any way of finding out?

It seems the police now believe that the killer has fled to Paris.

SO we do have members vacationing in Europe.

Although I did have several men offer to accompany me back to my hotel during my stay in Paris last week, Mr. Magnotta was not one of them..........

That's good news. He's likely too young for you.  

Also it is not just women who must look out. Police are also saying that he could be disguised as a women.  

Here is a video of the accused on a reality TV show that was looking for new underwear models.

And considering that it was man whose body was mutlilated, it seems likely that they cannot predict whether he will target one sex or the other.  He seems to be just as interested in the corpse (for personal entertainment) as he is in the killing.  

It is interesting that the family is refusing to talk, although it may only be that they refuse to talk to the press.  I hope that they are at least talking to police and are able to offer some insight into what makes this man tick.  He is one sick individual. 

It seems he did jave some interests in theology.

Here is a link where he writes about his conversion to Scientology.  

http://web.archive.org/web/20080925055723/http://www.orato.com/current-events/2007/09/23/my-personal-experience-scientology