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Apocalyto
Posted on: 01/22/2007 11:14
Has anyone seen this latest Mel Gibson movie? I found it quite disturbing on many levels. The worst is that Gibson depicts the Maya culture as hell on earth. It surely was a violent society, but no worse and perhaps better than much of Europe of the same time. We will see how Gibson portrays the Spanish in the follow up movie that is surely coming on the Conquest. The only thing I think Gibson got right was the utter horror of warfare and the cruelty that people inflict on one another. Sadly, this is timeless.
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Posted on: 01/22/2007 11:15
bump...
Jonas
Posted on: 01/22/2007 11:52
I wanted to see it but it didn't stay around very long.
The Mayans were actually quite tame compared to the Aztecs.
Very interesting culture indeed! I wonder what will happen in 2012?
Viva_Reagan
Posted on: 01/22/2007 21:15
They WERE a very violent culture. I don't think Gibson's movie is part of some ultra-traditional Catholic agenda. For the most part, it's a historically accurate movie. Or does historical accuraccy also have to be sacrificed to the gods of multiculturalist PC revisionism?
MikePaterson
Posted on: 01/22/2007 22:49
Yeah, Viva-Reagan... I'm sure in Mel Gibson's hands the Maya make Europe in 1944 look positively civilised.
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Posted on: 01/22/2007 23:21
"Exxon - Viva Reagan"
Just your name cracks me up.
Viva_Reagan
Posted on: 01/23/2007 00:23
I'm cracked up by how someone who believes "change" will come from the mass-murdering icon of yesteryear's groupthink! Keep on fightin' the good fight.
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Posted on: 01/23/2007 12:28
Hey, I never said that. But since you bring it up....Who do you think is responsible for more deaths, Che or Exxon?
GospelCrazy
Posted on: 01/23/2007 13:37
Hey, change, maybe you can help me out. I've had no interest in seeing this movie, but I have a hypothesis about Mel as "cinema auteur." Do you think this hypothesis applies in the case of Apocalypto, as I believe it does to Braveheart and the Passion?
Hypothesis: Individualism is his theme, and torture and execution are his leitmotif.
Any insights?
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Posted on: 01/23/2007 13:55
Hi GC, I don't think I'm qualified to answer this as I have only seen one Mel Gibson movie, Apocalyto (well, and Mad Max and Mad Max and the ThunderDome, but those don't count do they?).
But from this one I would say you're on the right track, except his primary theme isn't individualism but salvation. His message seems to be that the world is throughly corrupted and salvation comes only to those who accept their suffering.
Viva_Reagan
Posted on: 01/23/2007 18:33
"The world is corrupt and salvation comes to those who accept suffering". I guess that puts Mel in the same category as Dostoyevsky, another Orthodox Christian who had a dark view of the world. Do I see any of you setting up bonfires for "Crime and Punishment'?
GospelCrazy
Posted on: 01/23/2007 18:57
Dude, clearly you have issues. Most of us don't appreciate attack posts. Say what's on your mind, please.
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Posted on: 01/23/2007 19:38
Yeah Viva Reagan (Viva!) you didn't see me burning any bonfires (although Mad Max Beyond the ThunderDome perhaps deserves it). I started this thread because I saw Gibson's movie and wanted to comment on it. I really didn't condemn him or his other movies at all...in fact I haven't seen them. What are you really frothing about?