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Influence of Phil Och's music

I am wondering how many here have heard of Phil Och's and/or been influenced by his music.

 

 

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 Here is a link to the film:  http://firstrunfeatures.com/philochs_synopsis.html

 

 

Here's a photo they have as a promo shot for the film

 

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There but for Fortune

  • Show me a prison, show me a jail
  • Show me a pris'ner whose face has grown pale
  • And I'll show you a young man
  • With many reasons why
  • there but for fortune goes you or I

 

 

Changes

  • Green leaves of summer turn red in the fall
  • To brown and to yellow they fade.
  • And then they have to die, trapped within
  • the circletime parade of changes

 

 

Love Me I'm a LIberal

  • The people of old Mississippi
  • Should all hang their heads in shame
  • I can't understand how their minds work
  • What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
  • But if you ask me to bus my children
  • I hope the cops take down your name
  • so love me, love me, love me, i'm a liberal

 

 

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Began listening to him is the sixties ( before he was Phil Ochs)  He was important and even when he lost his vision of the possibitity of change he was important in that  he representented the loss of idealism or the danger of ideology ( they are connected - youthful anarchy leads nowhere but it moves us for a time)

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Have heard of him and heard a bit of his music, but not enough to be influenced directly. Too young, maybe (I'm very much a child of the seventies and eighties)?

 

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explain, that pan...youthful anarchy leads nowhere......

 

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What is important for young people is a zest for adventure - finding oneself in a goal larger than oneself.   There is an immediacy to experince - in one snes no futurre only the present angst - no memory of disasters survived.  In this time which is natural idealism raises it ugle head - this is an element of seeking an utopian - idea world - and the present reality does not measure up (when I am saying this this is not negative but does lac of tragic evil - each tragedy does disclose a more ideal ( not idealistic or romantic reality) possiblity.  The tragedy was not in vain.  One of the reactions to this reality is anarchy because of scantiness of experience, no anticipation of what might yet to come.  Anarchy is directed to destroy 'the man', nothing is worth saving.  When anarchy is coupled with youth it is soul destroying and community destroying.  Ochs sang that reality because in the end he felt nothing more could come - so his youthful anarchy lead to nowhere.   This is the issue all went through and some of overcame the nothingness possiblity ( and that could lead to 'selling out' to self forgetness - anaesthesia) and through some wisdom kept working for the flourishing of the world, but without a desire for perfects - a sense of this is the best we can do in this moment but there is still a better possibiltity (s).

 

Too often, then, youthful desire when coupled with anarchy leads us nowhere- The vision passes.  We are stuck in romance ( see other topics is there an 'only one' and many of the reality programs of the desire for egotistic will for fame.)  This aspect does also reveal a social impluse as it denies it. Each experience is mine and mine alone - the world has no justification except to meet my satisfaction.  This is what youth must go through but our culture is stuck there... looking for the perfect government, church, other, job,and family.

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