When I read Wente's piece in the Globe in which she attacked mainstream Christian churches, and the UCC for taking a political stance I was not shocked as many others seemed to be. , At the time I remebr thinking "I have read this before" It just the same mud that has been thrown around before at churches that refuse to close their eyes to the reality of the world around them, and that accepts the need to change.
Than last week a blog went viral that accused Wente of plagiarism . Not only that, but the blog (http://mediaculpapost.blogspot.ca/ ) written by a University of Ottawa professor (Carol Wainio) who has been tracking many other instances of possible plagiarism and other "ethical lapses in Wente's writing for the past few years.
See also http://backofthebook.ca/2012/09/23/the-wente-plagiarism-question-grows/8041/
So maybe I had already read Wente's piece, before she had written it. It also explains why some her mud slinging seem to be at cross purposes. If she actually just ciut and pasted her ideas/writing from different sources.
What do you think? Does this hurt the body politic? If she
Also if anyone wants to check and see if she did steal the wrting in her article on The Death of the Liberal Church, here are 5 tools to help you do so. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/article-checkers-5-free-websites-to-catch-the-copycats/
Certainly a quick glance showed that she copied her ideas (or had the same ideas) from a recent article in the New York Times, and some recent articles Christian web site. But did she copy the writing?
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Alex
Posted on: 09/24/2012 15:36
Also read this piece from Maclean's http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/09/23/globe-and-mail-or-cut-and-paste/
And this excellant piece on Wentegate http://j-source.ca/article/john-miller-wentegate
Alex
Posted on: 09/24/2012 17:12
Also if anyone wants to check and see if she did steal the wrting in her article on The Death of the Liberal Church, here are 5 tools to help you do so. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/article-checkers-5-free-websites-to-catch-the-copycats/
Sorry Wente's piece was called "The Collapse of the Liberal Church" http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/the-collapse-of-the-liberal-church/article4443228/
Even through she says in it that the Church is literaly dieing, I must have confused it with another peiece called "the Death of the Liberal Church" I do not know why?
Mendalla
Posted on: 09/24/2012 19:50
What's with journalists these days? I mean, Wente not some kid fresh out of Ryerson. She's been around for years and is fairly respected. I read her. Mostly disagree with her views but her writing is good.
In the US, there was a similar issue with Fareed Zarkaria recently. CNN and Time both suspended him to investigate. Again, a respected journalist getting lazy?
THere was an interview about it on As It Happens tonight and it was quite interesting. Apparently in the States, they take this all much more seriously and there's an outside agency news organizations call on to investigate. The journalism professor who was talking to them met one of the investigators who was stunned to learn that our press doesn't take these things that seroiusly.
Mendalla
Alex
Posted on: 09/24/2012 20:18
The case is getting coverage in the US including this web site, which suggests that Wente's case could be much more serious and affect the Newspaper industry in all of North America in ways that the Zarkaria case and other recent cases have not.
http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2012/09/24/margaret-wente-plagiarism-scandal/
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 09/24/2012 20:20
Hmm, Received Wisdom? ;3
She tapping into the Morphogenic Field/Akashic Record?
Were there Celestial Beings there that are giving her a New Religion to be persecuted for?
Mendalla
Posted on: 09/24/2012 20:28
Again, the point that the interviewee made was that in the US, public editor is usually a quasi-independent ombudsperson while at the G&M she reports to the Editor-in-chief and therefore is more of a spin-doctor to help cover butts.
If Wente has indeed done all that is alleged, it will at least rattle the Globe to its core and I'd hope her bosses (the editors who allowed the material to be published and are defending it even now) will go down with her. Will it affect the broader industry? No. The rest will tut-tut and talk about how awful the Globe was to let it happen and go back to doing it themselves. Until the next scandal.
Mendalla
Alex
Posted on: 09/24/2012 20:58
I think this is the start of the social media revolution holding to account big media.
Or part of the same movement that caused the "News of the World" to shut down, after it was exposed. Another case of social media fueling or aiding in peoples abilities to hold the powerful to account.
Twitter is all over this. The blog that has been responsible for the analysis has existed for years, but it was the ability of twitter to connect diverse people, and thus enpower them to demand a response. https://twitter.com/i/#!/search/realtime/wente
Perhaps this will even end up in Moncton geting a real news outlet.
Alex
Posted on: 09/24/2012 21:01
I love the fatc that there is a web site called Plagiarism Today.
Blessed Internet.
DKS
Posted on: 09/24/2012 22:22
The blogger strikes me as somewhat pedantic and with a lot of time on her hands. I pray she will not attempt to analyze my sermons.
Alex
Posted on: 09/24/2012 22:23
Globe takes action on allegations against columnist
Howevr the Globe seems to have made the situation worse for itself.
Is her crime according to them.
And yet there are many other "situations" that have been documented and presented to the Globe over the years.
Like this case from the NYTpicker, an american website that covers the New York Times.
http://www.nytpick.com/2009/07/did-globe-and-mail-columnist-steal-from.html
Alex
Posted on: 09/24/2012 22:27
The blogger strikes me as somewhat pedantic and with a lot of time on her hands. I pray she will not attempt to analyze my sermons.
The problem is not the blogger, but Wente's repeated use of other peoples work without giving them credit. The blogger only started to follow her closely after she spotted Wente stealing from others, and has been documenting her "ethical lapeses" for a few years. For some reason her lates post went viral, and all of the attention it recieved caused the Globe to actually acknowledge the problem.
But the way the Globe has handle it, has made it worse for them
DKS
Posted on: 09/24/2012 22:51
No, the person has too much time on their hands, to the point of obsession. I can take Wente or leave her. But the kind of pedantry the blogger shows is not particulalrly helpful nor enlightening.
Alex
Posted on: 09/25/2012 17:31
It seems Wente non apology apology has made things worse for her. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/columnist-margaret-wente-defends-herself/article4565731/ The responses on the Globe web site are not very nice.
Also her slamming the blogger who pointed this out,( Carol Waini, a renowned Ottawa artist who has had shows at the National Gallery and elsewhere, and is a full time professor of fine arts) excludes the fact that this is being driven by writers at Macleans, The Guardian etc. as well as twitter. Where they continue to find other examples of her using unattributed sources.