Bump...(and grind??)

Yes, all porn is bad. Pornograpy causes people to commit adultery in their heart because it causes lust. I would be jealous if I caught my husband or boyfriend looking at porn and it may even be the cause of a relationship break up.

What if the person looking at pornography is not in a relationship (and never has been). How can that be adultery?

all porn is REALLY bad acting, thats for sure. and the premises?? gimme a break.

i've been in lots of lingerie stores in my day, and never ONCE have i ever had any hot girl on girl action with the sales lady in the try-on rooms. and my pizza guy just delivers the pizza, thank you very much.

and just don't get me started on the music....

Are the plots and music not good? I've never seen a porn film.

You asked....

Nothing turns me OFF faster than finding my husband watching porn. I think it's really stupid, unrealistic and degrading.

My opinion.

trust me, jeffrey, you're not missing much. every weeknight from 11-11:30pm on tqs, a quebec station, they have some soft porn tv show on, and they are just dumb. honestly, i usually wind up laughing because of some of the stuff on there... this one time it was something about how this couple was trapped at the top of a building because the elevator broke down... and so of course, they decided to have a romp until the elevator people fixed the problem. HELLO?!?! ANYONE HEARD OF THE STAIRWELL??!?!?

Some types of gay porn aren't bad. There was usually a theme, but there wasn't any lame attempt at a story or even music -- just playing.

The thing with porn is that, somewhere down the line, someone was paid to have sex, or else was exploited, or perhaps both. So we could as easily ask: Is prostitution bad? Is exploitation bad?

If you are not married or in a commited relationship I am not sure porn is a sin. BUT it is still a good thing to avoid because it feeds the lusts of the flesh and many people I know have enough trouble controlling their lustful desires WITHOUT porn.

I also agree with doc. One could argue that some women and men enjoy being porn models but there is such a darkside to this industry I suspect that there are very few if any who are not remotely connected to some type of exploitation.

What if it is within a relationship, but nobody is "sneaking" to watch it?
What if it is something enjoyed as a couple? As a marital aid?
What if stirring the desires of the flesh is something that couple is trying to do, add a little more spark?

Just asking...

Sigh, I never had any hot girl on girl action that would make it into porn. My stuff is boring!!! I know what it is!!! I do not wear red fingernail polish!

SG, good point. I think that's different. If both parties are into it, then ya, if it works for you great.

doc, many actors in gay porn are not paid much more than expenses, and the actors are not exploited. The actors in many gay videos are actually having fun. There are some 'stars' that make money, but that is a relative rarity. Many actors in gay porn are exhibitionists and do not really care about making money.

SG said "What if it is something enjoyed as a couple? As a marital aid?
What if stirring the desires of the flesh is something that couple is trying to do, add a little more spark?"

Then maybe if the couple needs/wants to look at others naked they are not attracted to each other and need marital counselling IMHO.

exevangelical I believe actors or actresses in porn movies usually end up drug addicts. I certainly wouldnt encourage this kind of industry. Anyone who gets his her kicks from porn movies to me is sick.

sylviac, How many porn actors do you know, and how many of them are drug addicts? I know six porn actors and several guys who have been models in gay bear porn magazines, none of them are drug addicts.

it dont matter, my nephew was into porn, made his mother sick, and yes he did turn to drugs. I still think it is a sickness that pervades our society. It certainly isnt for the benefit of society. there it is again. "you shall reap the fruits of your thoughts."

do i watch porn? i'm a teen. when you find a teen who doesn't, please call me because i'd definitely like to meet this colourful individual.

*puts up hand*

geez, i didn't even watch my first horror movie until i was 18.... i remember it well. 'a nightmare on elm street'. i'm STILL freaked out.

You have one example; I have six.examples, not including magazine models -- all of them gay. Perhaps it is the straight actors that "turn to drugs".

Whether one likes it or not, it is a free society and adults may do as they choose. A good movie about the topic, was made in the 90's called "the People vs. Larry Flynt". It is the true story of the battle between Flynt (founder of Hustler Magazine) and Jerry Falwell (Moral Majority founder).

Good movie, I think you may find yourself cheering for Larry by the end.

Holden

Dawkins I NEVER watched or looked at porn as a teen.

r-dawkins-jr. puts up hand also. Never even knew what a prostitute was until I turned 19 and someone explained it to me.

We didn't have a VCR LOL

holdencaulfied you sound like a person whose bathroom is littered with porn magazines. What do you do hide them when church folk visit? I've heard of that also. lol

Sylviac

You really do not know me at all if you think that.... I would never have church folk over to my house.

All kidding aside you should not assume that people defend things because they want to have what they defend. I could care less Sylviac if there is a ready supply of porn around. If a person defends free speech and free expression than they have defend the stuff, they do not like not just the speech they agree with. It actually takes no courage at all to defend free speech for that, which is popular or easy.

Folks who defend free speech and expression do have a vested interest in the broader issue. We know that busybodies, moral crusaders, the right wing etc, will not stop limiting rights after they have taken someone else's right away.

If we allow the Christian right to limit the production of Hustler Magazine, they will take this victory and then move on to profanity on TV. Then it will be books. Perhaps you find Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass bad because Whitman was gay. Perhaps Oscar Wilde's plays are next because he was a dandy and promoted hedonism? Then maybe it will be Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita because of the depraved relationship between the main characters? Perhaps we will censor Nietze because of pessimism and atheism.

Once we start censoring, the religious right will want more. This is why we must apply the Principal of "Real Harm" which is a foundation to liberalism. Unless the action can cause real and demonstratable harm to others than the State or group has no business interfering with the sovereign individual.

To put is simply Sylviac, if we give you an inch, you and your friends will take a foot.

Holden

Sylviac, if someone said that, I don't know fish makes you sick, and they had one example where it did but you had many more examples of where it didn't would you say "it don't matter" to that? I don't think so. I personally don't know anyone in the porn business but I'm not gonig to call them all druggies just because one person may have turned out that way.

To r_dawkins_jr's question and some of the responses of "no" I think we also have to look at the age of the responders. Us younger people have more acess to it with the internet, satelite ect. that maybe our answers are more likely to be "yes".

Serena said
"Yes, all porn is bad. Pornograpy causes people to commit adultery in their heart because it causes lust." So you've experienced the rise in your sexual desire and lust while watch a porn movie. If you were watching it with your husband you would not be committing adultery....sort a helpful as Viagra?

I have been receiving wondermails behind the scene from various men. Many men seem to be shy to post their real thoughts on this matter. Are women at all interested in what men seem to be thinking of this?

itdontmatter, are you suggesting that gay porn is okay, because most of the workers are glad to do it for practically nothing and therefore are not being exploited? i don't know if i can buy into that.

There are a number of different types of gay porn and I do think that certain types of gay porn are OK, some types of gay porn use professional actors, and I don't know about them. I understand the concerns regarding exploitation of women in straight porn.

Now Ex, you put out that little teaser...of course we're all interested. This is a topic that has got 1000 different ideas, views, thoughts, etc. attached to it. So, go on and share - no names, no locations, just the facts Sir.

Yes, I want to hear what the men think. I want to see if I already know what they are thinking or maybe they are NOT thinking.

And Ex, I'd appreciate knowing if you've heard from women behind the scenes what their thoughts are, and, to make you evening even tougher, if you've heard from both gay and straight guys, are they thinking similar or dissimilar thoughts about porn?

well for anyone else that wants to share anon thoughts feel free to wondermail them to me and I will keep it all low key (scouts honour!)

"Wickedness is a myth invented by good people to account for the curious attractiveness of others."

Quote by: Oscar Wilde
(1854-1900)
Source: Phrases and Philosophies for the Use of the Young, 1894

I am getting a sense from a few of these men (straight, married) that erotica has a place, but for many of them, their wives would be upset.

i'm pretty sure about that, actually... there wouldn't be erotica on tqs every night if there WASN'T an audience for it!!

but i still think that the acting, script, plot, and music are BAD. sorry, guys, but i can't watch it without LAUGHING!!!

i guess i'm just missing the whole point, eh?!?!?

Hey Sigh... I would venture that the triggers are different in men and women. I think most men would ask, "theres a story, script and music????"

Doesn't the answer depend on what you define as porn?

Take Jean Auel's "Earth's Children" series of novels. Is the porn-for-women which is so much a part of her books 'porn' within the meaning you're using? (I like the books, but skip the sex, finding it more than a bit embarrassing.)

Certainly, for some people, it is ONLY pornography if it is designed for straight males and includes female nudity. I think that is really quite a silly way to think, but we must admit that it is a popular way to think.

What if the book/film includes severe degradation of males? Is it porn? Or is it only porn if it includes degradation of females?

What does porn mean to YOU?

To me, I put porn as anything which:
- uses children as sex objects
- seeks to degrade the humanity of any person

The "badness" I associate with porn has nothing to do with the images themselves, it has to do with whether the actors are participating freely and beingtreated fairly and also whether the viewing of porn is causing problems with the viewer's real-life relationships.

Also, I read an article by Naomi Wolf about a year ago that suggested that the constant immersion of young men in porn due to its ready availability on the Internet may be having scary repercussions for their ability to function in real-life relationships:

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

Exerpt: "The reason to turn off the porn might become, to thoughtful people, not a moral one but, in a way, a physical- and emotional-health one; you might want to rethink your constant access to porn in the same way that, if you want to be an athlete, you rethink your smoking. The evidence is in: Greater supply of the stimulant equals diminished capacity.

"After all, pornography works in the most basic of ways on the brain: It is Pavlovian. An orgasm is one of the biggest reinforcers imaginable. If you associate orgasm with your wife, a kiss, a scent, a body, that is what, over time, will turn you on; if you open your focus to an endless stream of ever-more-transgressive images of cybersex slaves, that is what it will take to turn you on. The ubiquity of sexual images does not free eros but dilutes it.

"Other cultures know this. I am not advocating a return to the days of hiding female sexuality, but I am noting that the power and charge of sex are maintained when there is some sacredness to it, when it is not on tap all the time. In many more traditional cultures, it is not prudery that leads them to discourage men from looking at pornography. It is, rather, because these cultures understand male sexuality and what it takes to keep men and women turned on to one another over time"”to help men, in particular, to, as the Old Testament puts it, "rejoice with the wife of thy youth; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times." These cultures urge men not to look at porn because they know that a powerful erotic bond between parents is a key element of a strong family. .."

I cannot believe I am wading back into this one. Maybe I am addicted, not to porn, but talk of it...

I have this unique position afforded me in life.

I am one of the guys over coffee breaks at work, having a beer, playing pool... I am also a girl when they need a woman's viewpoint. I know more about them than most their wives do. The biggest slob can be the most sensitive guy, but nobody knows that.

Amonst the girls, I am another girl. We chat over coffee, watch sappy movies, go fro drinks... I am also a guy when they want to know certain things. I know many things that best friends might not even know. I know all the risque stuff they tell nobody because of "what people might think". They sometimes do not even tell their husband's because of "what he might think."

Men are very visual. Even car advertisers know this. Most guys do not walk in the house and smell roses and get worked up. They will not work. Most men really are bad at imagining. You start talking about making a romantic plan and they stumble and need help where to go from picking her up to being in a bed. The middle stuff they have a hard time creating in their imagery. They may get frustrated.

Women are less visual. They walk in smell roses and will smile or start to unbutton a blouse. Women are great at all the imagining and creating that middle time from beginning of date to sleep time. They will get immersed in the next step and they may get worked up in the thinking stage.

Men look at naked women or people having sex. Women read about it.

Men hide the fact that they worry they are loved. Women hide the vixen they long to be.

I have been out for a beer and had a husband tell me that it was getting pretty stale. He was looking at porn on the internet. I was almost slack jawed because his wife was telling me that she wished she could let loose and be less school marm and more sex kitten.

There is alot NOT being said here, there always is. =)

Dawkins said: "do i watch porn? i'm a teen. when you find a teen who doesn't, please call me because i'd definitely like to meet this colourful individual."

Rich, I'm 18, and there is very little that turns me off faster than any sort of pornography. Okay, maybe Stephen Harper in leather turns me off faster. Or... anything related to Stephen Harper.

I'm all for free speech, but porn is destructive. How many marriages have been ruined by a spouse using porn? It creates lust, and it fulfills lust temporarily, and then the user just wants more. It's a relationship destroyer.

Perhaps we need to differentiate between porn and erotica? Or then again, maybe not.

My wife used to send me porn all the time when I worked away from home. Sometimes it was humorous, ometimes outrageous, sometimes it was a pic of a woman she knew I'd find particularly attractive, once it was a pic of her and a bunch of the church women with breasts exposed, waving at me.....

I thank God every day i have a wife who is not afraid of her, or my, God given sexuality and lust.

One final note on Sylvia's comments about porn stars.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Heeeee Heee,,,,,,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Oh Please stop... I'm gonna peee!!!!!!

Sylvia:

Please try to stick to commenting on things you actually know something about. You'll look less foolish that way, plus you can make extra money by selling your keyboard on ebay.

Yes, all porn is bad. Just cause we have the technology or the access to it does not make it good. The bad outweighs any stories where good can prevail.

Do you have anything substantial to back up that opinion? Or do you just expect us to say it's truth because you're right and that's it?

aotn said:

"'Dawkins said: do i watch porn? i'm a teen. when you find a teen who doesn't, please call me because i'd definitely like to meet this colourful individual.'

Rich, I'm 18, and there is very little that turns me off faster than any sort of pornography."

I'm a teenager and I've gotta agree with aotn......

Witch, I am not speaking to you personally. To all...And I don' t have the web site at hand nor the journals nor texts, but I have visited countries and been involved with refugees and I know that porn is a commodity based entertainment that destroys the lives of many who are victims. it is often related to underground, or snot so underground, big business and those who subject young men and women to become commodities. Anytime we objectify our selves, our bodies, we become less human along with those are being the objects.

Who are these victims you speak of, and in what way are are these "victims" injured? As I have said, I know guys who act in gay porn videos and have been models in gay magazines (some have done both) - and they are not any sort of "victim". These are normal guys who are gay and have normal jobs; one is a registered nurse, one is in construction, and another is an auto mechanic -- pretty normal jobs.

So you are backing off from the "always" position, and moving towards the "many times , in your experience" position.

Ok, I accept that many times, in your experience, porn is bad.