From the words of an old Jewish Rabbi.
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2014/02/02/are-these-the-signs-messiah-is-c...
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Jim Kenney
Posted on: 02/28/2014 23:40
Regardless of the age of the Rabbi or what other mysteries swirl around him, it sounds like wishful thinking on his part.
stardust
Posted on: 02/28/2014 23:44
Hi Neo
Very interesting, there's so much to read on the blood moons topic. Here's another opinion about it.
Neo
Posted on: 03/01/2014 09:37
I've never heard of the whole blood moon / tetrad thing and from the video of the Rabbi Kaduri Yitzhak there was no mention of it. If there was, it would've been a prediction in itself of when Ariel Sharon would die.
One of the more interesting things about this revered Rabbi Kaduri Yitzhak is that regardless of if his prediction of the return of the Messiah would come about in 2014 or not, he left in his note the name of the Messiah as "Yeshua", i.e. Jesus. I'm sure the Orthodox Jews were not too happy about this as they have traditionally rejected this idea of Christ being the "anointed one" for two thousand years, and now, one of their own, on his death bed, makes this announcement. Interesting.
Arminius
Posted on: 03/01/2014 09:56
To me, the Second Coming is a metaphor for the Awakening to Unitive Consciousness or Christ Consciousness in us humans. It can happen to any of us anytime, but only when humanity as a whole has awakened to Christ-Consciousness will the Second Coming be fully realized.
The Coming of the Messiah in Judaism is a different story. The Jewish Messiah is "The Anointed One," is supposed to be a lineal descendant of David, and deliver the Jewish people from bondage.
While the Awakening to Christ Consciousness is a movement of inner seeking, perhaps led by one or more outstanding spiritual leaders of any race, colour, gender or creed, the Jewish Messiah has to be a Jewish male of the House of David.
What bondage he would deliver the Jewish people from in this day and age is debatable. Perhaps the bondage of sectarianism, of ego- and ethno-centricity?
Neo
Posted on: 03/01/2014 10:02
What bondage he would deliver the Jewish people from in this day and age is debatable. Perhaps the bondage of sectarianism, of ego- and ethno-centricity?
That would definitely be miraculous!
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 11:25
Following along the lines Arminius notices.
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If we take all human being as a lake and each person a drop, a process may be observed. As any single drop awakes to Christ Consciousness, it evaporates, rising from the lake to the sky above. Over time the single drops form a cloud. That cloud grows to reach a point of fulness, when it begins to rain.
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I understand that we are now at the point where the cloud of Christ Conscious persons is reaching the point of fulness. This being so we may expect a surprising rain of blessing. This rain of blessing will fill the cups of those thirsty for a restored harmony and wash away all that hinders or refuses that restoration.
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Vague and allusive, but hope filled from where I sit in the waiting and watching circle.
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George
Neo
Posted on: 03/01/2014 11:34
We may be surprised one day, to see, physically and in full form, Him who we call The Christ on our TV and Internet screens. This would definitely be a situation where "every eye shall see him".
Kimmio
Posted on: 03/01/2014 12:12
I don't take it that way. Every eye shall see him is allegorical. There's also, "People will tell you 'there he is!' or 'here he is!'. Don't go running after them." Therefore, I think the 'seeing' is kind of how George describes it- seeing a better way of being human emerging in the natural order of things- more just, more merciful, more humble. Doing, is a whole other matter. It seems like the world will pretty much be brought to its knees before people wake up- but they are.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 03/01/2014 12:57
Sort of like light energy falling on that "dark heart" we call the human mind as very few in this day and time believe in the existence of soul/mind/psyche that is the mental processor a sort of dark semitconductor of light ... it only sees half of what's in the depth of a myth ... maybe not that if you believe in nothing ... there's nothing to think about!
Thus consciousness takes flight unless you've got a firm grip on that queer boid/byrd ... in one myth they called IT Icarious ... and he waxed old and fell to pieces ... providing for the feathe rabba'din of theis tory ... sort of like resting on a flying fabric ... an Arib/d thingy ...
Letters and icons are like that very fluid in time ... they alter !
airclean33
Posted on: 03/01/2014 18:10
airclean33
Posted on: 03/01/2014 18:17
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/01/2014 18:19
Jesus is coming again, I believe, but no one knows the day and hour except God the Father.
airclean33
Posted on: 03/01/2014 18:40
Hi Star Dust --You posted a vid on a debunk of the Blood moon theory. But I din't note how you felt about it . How think you right or wrong? airclean33
dreamerman
Posted on: 03/01/2014 18:52
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 19:03
I believe the 2nd coming of Christ is a real physical event, I don’t believe Jesus needs TV or any man made things to see His return from the east to the west, it will be a global event.
I do not believe in new age esoteric Christ conscious theory , it is not biblical, nor is it supported, nor do I believe it is of the Creator.
When the coming will happen know one knows, but I do believe and see that we are living in the end times.
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 20:41
It is of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, which, like the wind, comes and goes in unconditioned freedom. Those born of that Spirit are born into such freedom. It is not so with those who justify themselves by appeal to the letter, who will be dismayed in the day of Christ's coming in glory.
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George
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stardust
Posted on: 03/01/2014 20:57
Airclean33
I agree that the blood moon theory is debunked. There's lots of money to be made selling books about it. I remember there was a Jewish rabbi who Israel said was the Messiah, meaning he would live forever..... until the day he up and died.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:03
THE LORD HAS COME!!!
ALL PRAISE HIS NAME!!!
must be 200 and under. prohibited where lawed by the void. 3 shekels per minute. futility is resitance. you are already in carcosa.
RAN
Posted on: 03/01/2014 20:59
This sounds vaguely familiar. Your original?
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:15
Yet the Spirit gave the word , I doubt the spirit would contradict its own word
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:18
Nothing is original with me. What I pronounce is what I have heard and integrated. What was found as dead letters has become living word. This by the simple realization of Christ in me, the hope of glory.
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George
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:24
You make it sound like you're the only one
RAN
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:28
Or the living word brought new life to the dead flesh?
Your words make me think you see conflict between word and spirit, and that you side with spirit in that conflict. I trust I have not understood your words correctly.
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:34
It doesn't. It is the Spirit which shows that the letter kills, where it is given lip service but not obeyed. This is plain to all who are born of the Spirit. Jesus of Nazareth was murdered by those who kept the letter of the Law but refused it's Spirit.
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George
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:39
I am the only one, along with every other one who declares, in Spirit and in Truth, "It is no longer I who live, but Christ in me.
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Surely you know, with the Apostle, the old man passes away as the new man comes into being. Do we not crucify the flesh and it's passions?
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George
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:40
the 2nd comming does not not speak of the Law but of future events, you seem to be in conflict with what the Spirit says regarding it
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:43
Spirit and Word are one. This makes for a Living Word, in contrast to dead letters which testify to that Living Word so that we may seek and find. It is like the person who found a pearl of great price and sold all to obtain it.
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George
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GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:48
No. I am in conflict with what you understand the Scripture to be saying. The Spirit says stay awake and watchful because Christ will not come on some interpreter's schedule. Those who are born of the Spirit say with the Evangelist: "Come quickly Lord Jesus!"
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George
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:50
"Word so that we may seek and find"
That which is written and confirmed I would hope, New age Christ conscious , is simply not
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 21:57
Are you saying only one Tongue, where the Scripture you take as your authority says "Every tongue, every tribe and every nation"?
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George
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 22:04
Philippians 2:10-11
So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Revelation 5:13
And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
all will know the Truth , yet not all are Heaven bound
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 22:07
And not one of us may judge, by any standard, who will enter and who will not.
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George
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blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 22:13
Totally agreed,
but the topic is the 2nd comining not salvation
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 22:27
We may not judge who rightly understands the second coming and who does not. The Evangelist says no one knows the hour, not even the son. I agree.
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George
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 22:45
I agree no one knows the hour, i have said that in my first post ,
but we are not talking about when but How,
Physical Christ vs Conscious Christ
and Christ Conscious is simply not supported and a physical reture is
Acts 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
Luke 21:27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloudwith power and great glory.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
airclean33
Posted on: 03/01/2014 22:54
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 23:06
"Physical Christ vs Conscious Christ"
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Not versus for me. Christ consciousness in a physical body, comprising many members, exercising many gifts, in the unity of love expressed as service to the broken poor, and critical of the powers and principalities by which creature and creation are exploited and oppressed.
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I suspect we will see a person in the mass media who pretends to be the expected Christ, deceiving many, including those who should know better.
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George
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blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 23:14
Now your referring to the body and not the head of it?
I suspect we will see a person in the mass media who pretends to be the expected Christ, deceiving many, including those who should know better. . George .
I agree ,
thank God for the Spirit and the word
airclean33
Posted on: 03/01/2014 23:32
Airclean33
I agree that the blood moon theory is debunked. There's lots of money to be made selling books about it. I remember there was a Jewish rabbi who Israel said was the Messiah, meaning he would live forever..... until the day he up and died.
I believe you will find the earthquake here happens when Christs Jesus feet touch the earth . The valley will be split in two. Possibilty the biggest Quake ever.I believe the valley is over 200 miles long by Jerusalem.
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Please note it is after Christ return once more.That this seems to say.
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/01/2014 23:41
I see Ichabod Crane riding about headless in the dark forests of Sleepy Hollow
The body and the head are joined at the shoulder by the neck are they not? And the neck is supported by the shoulders which anchor the arms? Then there are the trunk and the legs by which the body moves about? All animated by the one Spirit of God.
Thank God for the Spirit and the Word, by which the Unity of God is made known through faith by grace; Christ in us the hope of glory.
Thanks for the conversation. I am off to other things.
George
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/01/2014 23:52
good night Geo :)
unsafe
Posted on: 03/02/2014 09:36
Hi GeoFree your quote Thank God for the Spirit and the Word, by which the Unity of God is made known through faith by grace; Christ in us the hope of glory.
Just want to clarify Grace comes through Faith ----Not Faith by Grace -----
so no Faith ---no Grace ---according to scripture -----
Ephesians 2:8
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
peace
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/02/2014 09:48
Hi unsafe...
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Faith is not something we exercise to obtain Grace. Faith is a gift given by the Grace of God, so that there is no place for boasting.
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George
unsafe
Posted on: 03/02/2014 11:17
Hi GoeFree
The scripture is very clear in what it says Goefree ----Faith comes by hearing the word of God ---Grace comes through Faith ---all according to scripture ---what you believe is your belief but I go by the scripture ---God's word not your way of thinking -----
Faith is not a free gift it only comes by hearing God's word -----no word no Faith ----no faith no grace ----
Romans 10:17
New King James Version (NKJV)
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Grace is a free gift of God ---it is unearned favor ---and it comes through Faith -----Faith comes first ----
Ephesians 2:8
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Peace
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/02/2014 16:10
Hi unsafe....
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I can see Jesus walking into the room and sharing a few encouraging words to the gathered folk. At the back of the room, watching and listening carefully, measuring every living word by the dead letters in her hand, sits a "righteous" person.
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Finally she has to say something. It goes like this: "You are free to speak with these people as you like. But, according to these dead letters your living words are wrong. I am the only one who gets it right because these dead letters I trust tell me so."
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Jesus, who is dressed in the clothes of a stranger, smiles and loves her without reservation.
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George
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blackbelt1961
Posted on: 03/02/2014 16:12
Hebrews 4:12
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/02/2014 17:11
Yes...! It is to this living word that the dead letters bear witness.
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George
GeoFee
Posted on: 03/02/2014 17:14
In the beginning is the word and the word is with God; the word is God.
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There was no scripture in the beginning.
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George
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WaterBuoy
Posted on: 03/02/2014 17:36
The word in the beginning was an aesthetic dream ... some authorities conjuration?
Then there was King James who directed the word of God ... from a position that he was in? If you read into history it wasn't a pretty situation ... KJ simply wished to stop people thinking ... a bit like Caesar ... and thus conscience was buried ... or subtle if you will amoungst all the will fullness that fell out here. It has to be put in some cesspool ... as Jesus said consume it all and put what matters down the tube once well-digested ... a cysturn?
Of course in frame of democracy, following the rules blindly doesn't allow for creative correction to errors ... the fixation of bo'roch crazy ... numb to the variance? It isn't very well tuned to inequity initiated from god who wished everything to their will ... and to eLLe with yours! Cosmopolitan avarice ...
There has to be another side to god ... where we can observe from the shadow ... there truth is known, looking in from the outside ... time to leave ... you can see trouble coming in the church stocked with things that only appear ... there are not real excellence ... excellents ... excellerators of explosive nature? Pyro technical sorts ... they set up the fuse'n while elsewhere the fissioning goes on ... working through the Runes ... these were exciled by the church ... wouldn't deal with old crap like Hebrew ... contrary to the script ... understand the alien ...
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 03/02/2014 17:38
Hebrew is a strange thing according to the Sufi ... those dark dead things moving across the pagebuoyd ...