I think the idea of 'deadly sins' is Roman Catholic dogma.  I have no desire to watch the video.

Hi unsafe,

If we trust that scripture speaks accurately when it says that the wages of sin are death then all sin is deadly.

Not in the sense that each and every sin has the power to instantly stop our hearts from beating but rather in the sense that each and every sin robs us of vitality and alienates us from God.

There is a straw somewhere that breaks the camel's back and what we mean by that is that it isn't simply that last straw which is, in and of itself, so crushingly heavy but the fact that it is the last of a great load of sins which could be dealt with individually but in a pile they overwhelm.

Originally the list was of Eight deadly sins and the notion is creditted to Evagrius of Pontus  Two centuries later (around 590CE/AD) Pope Gregory refined the list to seven deadly sins.

The thinking employed by Pope Gregory was that there were seven categories of sin and that the multitude of sins we might point to at any given moment find their origin in one of the seven deadly sins.

Grace and peace to you.

John

I'm not sure where it rates on the scale, but my mother is convinced that one of the worst sins is cutting too large a hole in the milk bag, causing her to pour too much milk into her coffee.

Growing up in my parent's house, I missed many school buses and potential social outings because I had to wait hours for the milk to flow from the jug into my glass or cereal bowl. I knew that if I were to enlarge the hole, there would be hell to pay. I lived in fear.

But when I moved out, I felt empowered to make my own choices. I felt free. With larger holes in the milk bags, I had more free time to make friends and enjoy life. I was happy...

Until my mother came to visit, and made a cup of coffee while I wasn't in the kitchen. You should have heard the commotion. A great sin had been uncovered, and when confronted, I had to admit that it was I who had cut the hole in the milk bag like that.

But I stood my ground. I said to my mother that I was no longer under her roof and no longer had to size the holes in my milk bags by her rules, and that if she loved me, she would just have to get used to it. I was winded, scared, and shaking, but I had done it. I had stood up for my rights and declared that a 1/2" diameter hole in a milk bag was not a sin.

What occurred next was beautiful. She said that if it mean that much to me, that maybe she could give a little. No longer would she demand a maximum 1/4" diameter hole in the milk bag when she visited, and that maybe a 5/16" diameter hole would be permissable. I lowered my head and asked, "3/8 of an inch?"

She smiled.

Proverbs 6:16-19 ..... a very interesting portion of scripture....

This very much describes the animosity and persecution of LGBTQ persons by the more fundamentalist brands of christianity......

Verse 17 ..... "haughty eyes" ....... in my opinion alludes to much more than just a superiority complex.    For me it speaks of a "know it all" attitude....

Let me throw this in as a candidate for a deadly sin ....... Willfull Ignorance.....

I feel that verse 17 would certainly include that...

Willful Ignorance .... this I feel is the deadly sin that is killing the fundamentalist brand of christianity.....

Just my thoughts ....... comments please???

Regards

Rita

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Chansen, I solved that by buying jugs not bags. Very funny. I loved it.

'twas good.  :)

Thanks. Who knew that fractions of an inch could be entertaining?

/I know, I know. That's what she said...

Hi revjohn      your quote    If we trust that scripture speaks accurately when it says that the wages of sin are death then all sin is deadly.

From what I understood from the video revjohn is that these 7 sins were not forgiven ever -----Jesus came to free us from all sin so If you accept Christ no sin is deadly --there is only one sin that if done cannot be undone according to scripture ----

All sin has consequences ----Even after we accept Christ and we sin we will still get to heaven but we ourselves will have to deal with the guilt etc that we experience after we sin ----That is why it is important for us to realize that if God forgives our sins then we need to forgive ourselves when we miss the mark -----Grace will gives us the strength to stay out of sin ----

Peace and Grace to you revjohn 

Hi unsafe,

I haven't bothered to watch the video.  If this is what the video is teaching or claims others are teaching then the video has done a spectacular job of misrepresenting this aspect of Roman Catholicism.

For some reason, which makes sense to Roman Catholics, they delineate sins into two categories.  Mortal sins and venial sins.

Mortal sins are sins which are serious because they are willful and knowing violations of God's law.  Idolatry for example, or adultery or murder.  These mortal sins result in spiritual death and if not confessed, prevent the individual from going to heaven.

Venial sins are considered slight sins and while they injure the relationship the individual has with God they do not sever it.  Gossip, for example is a venial sin because it may not be committed wilfully or knowingly.

Gossip (venial sin) flows out of slander (mortal sin) and that is how the Seven Deadly sins idea operates.

Roman Catholics believe that the delineation is supported by scripture in the fact that there are some commandments in God's law, which if broken, were punishable by death.

This is reflected in the encounter between Jesus and the woman caught in adultery.  Though Jesus doesn't shrug his shoulders, claim literalism ties his hands and start slinging rocks at her.

I don't agree with the distinction between mortal sins and venial sins.

I do agree with you, all sin has consequences.

Grace and peace to you.

John

Chanson,

Your mother seems more prone to mediation than mine ... she wouldn't give a bit ... why I use cream in my coffee ... right out of de boches ... has a plastic screw cap! My mother hates anything that's crewed up especially gray mares ... so  I write funny so she won't know what I think of her imperfect conjectures on open intercourse!

In metaphor that may not be how it appears ... apparantly ... but then who has a deep understanding of alien allegory? It is said that I am challenged mentally ... perhaps seen as mentally challenging from the other side ... of understanding god as word ... odd explicits? Its good that few understood ... so they won't be saddened by the wisdom of what we are doing to a Utilitarian System bring it to it's knees so chi won't be workable as having received de Ghias (gears)? Common folk are not to understand thus under Romantic religious roué's (flowering of stew-þ'idée is the general consensus) a conspiracy without direction? Its something you wouldn't have to think about ...

Real men hate icons, symbols and other such Semites as it scrambles their desires! Egg-nitious they say ... as such stupid flaring conflicts rule the world instead of people learning of differences ... does assist the observant in seeing how "not" to do it!

At that I recess, withdraw, or go sublimely on ... like a jinn retreating to the Jared thoughts? Do you know Jared ... Unsafe ... it's biblical ... repeated many times ... like a shaken MIR, or was that a' Murr us ducking ... like when one becomes un-becalmed? The ancient powers ruled this unbecoming in public as Jared emotions should be covered up as a' Palled. Do you know the Roman Pall ... that roamed after Nero's burning examples of a non-Hellenistic Empire one without an omi-Nous space, thought that would cause man to fret? We couldn't have that could we ... worry could cause a shift ... redaction in the law of sol' integral? That's like Unit-Eyes'd as in ARM's dreams! Esse en tool get together ... one must makespace for what is ejected ... and the Cos Mos apparantly departs from us Hubble! It is just conjecture no one 'ere has been Eire yet so how would they know infinite after just evolving from nothing? Possibly the planting done by couch potatoes  ... desiring to do nut'n to begin with!

We been taking a roasting ever since ... by such Romantic Purism! Not a clue to be found ... that's thoughtless passion for yah!

If the Roman Catholic Church is teaching 2 types of sin then they are teaching a false doctrine ----Sin is sin ---all sin gets you the same sentence ---except when you Accept Christ  who shed His Blood so we could be free from all Sin and go to heaven  ---all according to scripture ----not Man ---

This is why Religion is so wrong -Different Religions teach different Doctrines ---there is only one way to Heaven ---accept Jesus ----no Jesus no heaven ---Jesus is our only  way to get rid of all sin residual in our lives -----nothing that is tainted or unclean will enter God's Holy Kingdom -----according to scripture ----

There should be only one taught Doctrine ---And all Churches should be made to teach only what is in God's Holy Book ----All Ministers etc should have to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior before ever Teaching in any Church ----No one who does not have the Holy Spirit is connected to God ----again according to scripture and therefore should never be allowed to Teach on God's behalf ---

This is my opinion on this ----Peace

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Eight deadly sins...

Happy New Year!

Firm sin in black and white... no deliberation ordescretion allowed for time, place and light of the situation ...

That's pretty kohl-hearted is it not! I don't see any e-motion there ... enough to disturb my peace in the pew!

Hi RitaTG      Your Quote          Proverbs 6:16-19 ..... a very interesting portion of scripture....

This very much describes the animosity and persecution of LGBTQ persons by the more fundamentalist brands of christianity......

Verse 17 ..... "haughty eyes" ....... in my opinion alludes to much more than just a superiority complex.    For me it speaks of a "know it all" attitude....

First of all RitaTG this scripture is for ourselves to work on ---the scripture is not so we can blame and judge  others for how we live our lives ------so the haughty eyes are our own eyes to make sure  we don't use our haughty eyes on others ------

Your statement  -------  This very much describes the animosity and persecution of LGBTQ persons by the more fundamentalist brands of christianity.....is you actually using your own eyes as haughty eyes on Fundmentalist   brands of christianity --------Who you say -----in my opinion alludes to much more than just a superiority complex.    For me it speaks of a "know it all" attitude....

The scripture is all about working on one's own self  ----to worry --condem or judge  others using haughty eyes does nothing to ensure we don't do the same -----We can't change others --we can only change what we do ourselves ----

This is commentary on Proverbs 6 ---Matthew Henry ----

Verses 12-19 If the slothful are to be condemned, who do nothing, much more those that do all the ill they can. Observe how such a man is described. He says and does every thing artfully, and with design. His ruin shall come without warning, and without relief. Here is a list of things hateful to God. Those sins are in a special manner provoking to God, which are hurtful to the comfort of human life. These things which God hates, we must hate in ourselves; it is nothing to hate them in others. Let us shun all such practices, andwatch and pray against them; and avoid, with marked disapproval, all who are guilty of them, whatever may be their rank.

Peace

thank you unsafe for illustrating my point much better than I could 

By the way .... that portion of scripture is indeed about how we regard and treat others.

I do stand by my statements concerning the treatment of LGBTQ persons by the fundamentalist brands of christianity.    I have personal experience and lots of examples from all over North America and the world to back up my assertion...

Let me know if you are interested in exploring these....

You may find it enlightening on how many of those deadly sins are practiced against us ..... in the name of God of course.....

Regards

Rita

Hi RitaTG    Your Quote       I do stand by my statements concerning the treatment of LGBTQ persons by the fundamentalist brands of christianity.

That is your right to do as you wish ---but if I were in that situation then I would want to make sure I didn't allow myself to fall into the same type of behaviour and ridicule them as then i would be just as bad as they are ----- That is why working on one's own self and improving one's own ability to handle ridicule is important ---We  humans are weak and have no control over our emotions so we need God  and His word to strengthen us for such ridicule ----and that RitaTG takes practice ---practice and more practice ----be concerned about our behaviour not about others behaviour cause you can't change them --but you can change yourself -----

Peace 

unsafe .... thank you for the reply ......

Now ... rather than deflection ......any considered reply to my assertions regarding the treatment of LGBTQ persons by literalist camp?

As far as working onn oneself ...... this I will say having talked with many LGBTQ persons that have a spiritual background.    I shall speak for them and myself.....

We work on ourselves in ways that you could not begin to understand.   Rejection and persecution because of the core of who we are inspires, drives, and compells us to work on ourselves in very deep ways.     In the end .... it ends up just us and God.....

When you start working on yourself ..... if you care to let me know .... perhaps I can help a bit 

Regards

Rita

Hi RitaTG

I personally am not interested in engaging on this subject with you or anyone else --you can start  your own thread on this subject and engage with others who would like to address this -----I voiced my view on how I personally would handle ridicule ---I would change me not others ---- And rely on God to deal with others ----Period

Peace to you RitaTG  

Is this a hard line response, just hard-headed stoic (sometimes piously labelled)or just refusing to be part of "everything" that is God. Some poets would resolve this issue by taking a nature walk ... and looking deeply into what supports life ... unseen intelligence? perhaps it is just foreign philosophy ... a strange thing to those that despise philosophy (detailed by Webster, a tome ment to look into,  as the love of wisdom) that goes against the grain with passionate brutii! Is that capital thought as hairy? This could be duplicate in Greek tradition with greenery growing out of the tops of columns ... such panache of the higher up that is green behind the Ayres! One has to know a pile of word that is naturally found flat out for you to cause to Eris. The spell is varied to hide innocents ... inn os scents of pew of rapture? Does such a love of wisdom sometimes hate itself for what its mist as hazy physical form ... quantum-like ... aD'mist IHC? Abstract observation or the science of fiction of things not yet dreamed up in the imagination we can't even ponder ... since our predelection towards emotional ends avoids reason and leads to hoer'n, frosty behaviour?

The shunned (isolated looked at from the other way) thus can't deal with the mythical Wahl separating  reason from desires (emotional output?) ... leads to rifts and pathological schitzophrenia ... you know: schisms (chi-isms) and voids where you believe what isn't there is in your control ... when it surrounds you! There are always 2-sides and the other will never be conquered no matter how you look at the ghost of whats left ... its still ath'ought in the real cognizance that is not near everything yet!

Do you understand me yet? Good you're not supposed to as I am an alien thought sent to leave clues for future generations. Alas as the way things are established this route of thought isolates the emotions from the environment ... what some say is imaginary and delusional because only they know what's real ... the way gods go to war and create a divide that allows the conjecture of thought that then evaporates in an icon as a Semite of things that arn't here ... God did say he'd allow a sign didn't heh/chi/IT? Is that a foul ecclestiastic gathering that'll take flight when formed ... just to avoid battle? Isn'tit a beaut like A'don is ... that's a hole-i place in Erse territory, an icon that you'd not believe has anything to do with gods ... yet classicly they appeared to screw up 2-Jack ... a cheek on either side of the tongues, whatever way you look at it!

If one hasn't the ghost of reason ... you haven't a thought on this rapturous topic! That's the way it isn't on this side of the imaginary mind. That'd be close to a lost soul, or when one is wiped out by the storm of emotions. Some would call this abstract thought and have nothing to do with it ... so it remains ... outa-'ere and as here say you just don't listen (to such heresy, that is anything different, defining pious). I won't direct this towards anyone blind or deaf to reason as it takes flight on Eyrein hidden form ... and reason is obviously out there when conflicting with emotions!

Can a character of God slip quickly from reasonable learner to an emotional state? It is suggested that the surroundings (environmental intelligence, beyond the body of wiles in myth) are easily fallen through if you don't use intellgent and cautious steps through the san--- FD Roosevelt and his stick carried by that upright (ET'cal character regarding Utility) that shows up as "T" or Tao in some traditions that is comparable to phtha in Egypt ... something spit out of a mouth-bearers birthing area ... that's a phesh like a Rousseau ... well-whetted in the dark pool that is not shallow like some fish encounter! They only see the flat out part of mêrè things as mirror neurons that some psychologist say simply ... do not exist. A thought that's washed up ... or highly cathartic. You know cathars, a rare eastern philosophy found in western attitudes of putting every small thing down ... and thoughts are generally too humble to be brutal?

Thus the alternate existence; of an uncommon reason ... alternate mind that's beyond us in stories? It goes a'head of us as in Deuteronomy 31:8. Those that read this superficially will not see this ... as it is sort of around the bend in time that the soul warps easily to stay out of sight of the mortal psyche. These are two different Nous esse ... like a two-holer is intimate, but brutish men are contrary to such action ... why the Romans defied having sects before battle ... the battle could divinde and conquer love quite easily and the god of unsafe worlds work this wasy ... shuning all things that are really distasteful in the absence of the thought that learning is a pain real 'eLLe to those that believe they know all they need to know about everything ... an illusion that is denied?

Did you know what Einstein realted to (alchemii) of bending light ... light being equivalent to time and space but not the same thing ... just metaphor of where we're going. If light is warped enough it becomes dark ... and the emotional can't see into it ... just like word ... generall shallow toem! I'll take a more profound boche as behr philosphy right in the open and unrecognizabel to those that would rather not see delight in alternate form ... hommoe in Classic Greek when you notice the myth, story, Torah, and alien tales go on and on ... like donkey flies on the Wahl! In Newfy they call eM Circe Flies ... they fly around the face of the law when Murr/Turr de Season is on ... turr'd season? NOS'ite! And then it is illegal to put old gomme on your nose in Some-alla'ha ... like St Louis de Ha-Ha is an unseen ribbing ... that below mire satire on the state of gods resting. Gods are alive and well today still attempting to put down reason ... why they are retained here ... keeps eMote 've heav'n a MIR state of psyche!

And around IT goes again ... alternate chaos ... citii of god in Hebrew ... a sacred scrypt ... largely unknown and quite mental as intuited singularity! That's aL!

Well, the Seven Deadly Sins are not biblical—they are deadly!

As you wish unsafe 

I sense you are uncomfortable being challenged when exposed to a larger world and larger issues.

Seems to me Jesus said to go into all the world to all peoples....

If you cannot engage with me and others on issues other than what you are comfortable "teaching" about .... then I would suggest your faith is rather limited.

I for one will take that into account when reading your posts....

Regards

Rita

Limited ... that is metaphorically mortal!

Could cause a po' soul to die laughing ...

Perhaps why stoics hate cynicism ... they can't deal with free thoughts? The subject must be confined ... so called in the cubit; boched on a charge of extension of wisdom ... something you can beat on a mule with ... intellectual progress can sometimes be a pain if you don't wish to go there!

One really must shed their fear of the darkness, a biblical challenge for those who fear god ... has h'8 for substitutional Allah gory  ... like plasma in the wilderness spots? You do know plasma is metaphorically light humur ... some are like stone ... too heavy brother/cysturn ... water and fire carrier for a character that can't carry nut'n, not even a functional noodle?

Gotta be a' sense in there somewhere of essense---Beauregard & O'Leary The Spirit of the Brain ... can it be revived after an emotional tumble? That's A'Mos as he starts to glow ...

Really unsafe? If others ridiculed you based on who you are you would seek to change yourself? Really, I find that sad. Jesus was ridiculed. He didn't change himself in order to stop the ridicule. Same for Christians like Stephen and Paul. I feel that seeking to change your intrinsic nature simply because of the ridicule of others would reveal a real lack of spiritual maturity.

Hi Don.Jae

If that is your opinion then that is your opinion ----you are entitled to it ----

Peace to you

If Jesus was what heh was and didn't change; was this because heh was all over the place in the first situation?

This being due to the fact that muchlight is obscure and you can't see it when you follow Psalm 123:1 ... and look up in the light ... there is nothing physically there. As LGK stated is this not nebu-luçe? It is word ... albeit not used much ... real people don't like piles of word ... especially in steles ... them's upright myths supported by lower regions. The devil in cognation ... a real underlying weal ... such is the pain of the well-turned out soul from the po' terres table, slightly Jared by what they didn't know was on the outside of the clay vessel?

There's a coverup for yah ...

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Really unsafe? If others ridiculed you based on who you are you would seek to change yourself? Really, I find that sad. Jesus was ridiculed. He didn't change himself in order to stop the ridicule

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Airclean-- Change Himself from Lamb? to what He really was?He is about to do just that  Jae.

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Airclean-- Do you forget Stephen ran away and hid . When  Jesus The Christ was taken.  But when in The Holy Spirit  he had changed in himself.. He stood an was stoned. By the way Saul who will be called Paul held the coats of those who stoned him..

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and Paul. I feel that seeking to change your intrinsic nature simply because of the ridicule of others would reveal a real lack of spiritual maturity

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 No Paul had change in himself after meeting our Lord Christ on the rd.

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I don't think we can make changes in others. I do believe how ever we can help them make changes in themselfs .If your thoughts are different Jae . Could you exlplain this power you have?----airclean33

Jae ..... I have no idea how airclean came up with the idea that you suggested we can "make" changes in others....

I have carefully gone over your post and I cannot see that at all.....

Perplexing .......

Rita

I believe that Jesus came into the world as the perfect, sinless, Son of God, and remained same to his death and beyond. Do you disagree? Where in the Bible do you see Jesus changing who he was on the basis of being ridiculed?

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The first reference I can find to Stephen is from the book of Acts. Can you please tell me where in the BIble I can find a description of him doing what you say here. In any regard, the change that you note here is because he became filled with the Holy Spirit, not because he was ridiculed. 

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Did he change himself? Was it not the Lord who changed him. In any regard, the change was not made as a result of him being ridiculed.

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I didn't say that we should never seek to change ourselves. I said I question the maturity of someone who would seek to do so simply as a result of being ridiculed.

Thank you for your careful reading of my post RitaTG. I am less sure that airclean gave it as careful a read.

Hi Dcn. Jae,

I think you are reading into unsafe's response something that is not there.

There are things about who we are that can change and we should consider changing and then there are things we cannot and shouldn't.

If the ridicule is about behaviour, for example, I am being ridiculed for being rude.  Should I not consider changing my rudeness or would you be saddened that I would seek to be less rude?

Ridicule for belief is another matter than ridicule for nature.  Do you place all belief on an unchallangeable platform or only some?  When Jesus ridicules friends with, "O ye of little faith . . " should those so chastized not seek to increase what little they have or does it sadden you to think that they might?

Unless the intrinsic nature that change is sought for is a lack of maturity right?

Is ignorance intrinsic to our nature?  Should we seek to change that about ourselves?

Grace and peace to you.

John

Hi Dca Jae---You posted--

I believe that Jesus came into the world as the perfect, sinless, Son of God, and remained same to his death and beyond. Do you disagree? Where in the Bible do you see Jesus changing who he was on the basis of being ridiculed?

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Airclean-- Jae Jesus The Christ could not change at this time for He was sent as The Lamb of GOD. For this reason He was sent into the world as a man.    He Is really GODS Comander of GODS Heavnly Host. Rev 19:11-14.  --airclean33

John, I feel it's true that we might be ridiculed about something that we would benefit from if we changed. Nevertheless, I maintain my position that we should not change simply on the basis of said ridicule. Ridicule at times may serve to bring things to light, however I feel that many times it is just really unfounded. If we just up and change any time someone ridicules us about something, that would make us pretty wishy-washy.

Hi Jae-- You posted--

The first reference I can find to Stephen is from the book of Acts. Can you please tell me where in the BIble I can find a description of him doing what you say here. In any regard, the change that you note here is because he became filled with the Holy Spirit, not because he was ridiculed. 

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Airclean--I am kind of surprised you ask this question.

	Mat 26:55	At that hour Jesus said to the crowds, "Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs to capture me? Day after day I sat in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me.
	Mat 26:56	But all this has taken place, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled." Then all the disciples forsook him and fled.

Did he change himself? Was it not the Lord who changed him. In any regard, the change was not made as a result of him being ridiculed.

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Airclean--Dose GOD change you? Or do you have to accept change?Something Rev John and I differ on.My belief is Paul had a life changing meating on that road.He I believe made the choise to lison to GOD . Did he make the choise for GOD to be there? No I believe GOD did. An so GOD changed his name  from  Saul to Paul.

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I didn't say that we should never seek to change ourselves. I said I question the maturity of someone who would seek to do so simply as a result of being ridiculed.

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Airclean--If someone is questioning  my belief . Then yes indeed I will look at what I'v said. Possibly not right away . But I have been knowen to study something for a mouth to be sure what I was saying was right . If not I would change what I am saying. I understood what you said Jae. I believe you may have misunderstood Unsafe. So I aproched  you under that misunderstanding.Unless you believe Unsafe would change Her belief in GOD because of what someone said? I do not believe she would.Nor do I believe it is weak" to look at what others say to you. God Bless. airclean33

Don.Jae

Proverbs 4:7   Wisdom is the principle thing so get wisdom and with all your getting Get Understanding -----

This is what my point was all about ---Learn how to accept ridicule ----If youi are Born Again God's Grace will give you the ability to overcome ridicule -----

I leave you with these scriptures ----

Peace

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"Proverbs 4:7   Wisdom is the principle thing so get wisdom and with all your getting Get Understanding -----

This is what my point was all about ---Learn how to accept ridicule ----If youi are Born Again God's Grace will give you the ability to overcome ridicule -----"

Would this not be in conflict with the lessons taught from Genesis 2 and the evil of knowledge ... leading to the refusal to learn by many powerfully institutionalized emotional folk without clues? Thus nothing can evolve in the exposed (a'pocalyptic) world in which the fabric was removed. Now within the fabric of story and myth another weaving is going on ... unseen none-the-less ... sort of an alternate understanding ... or different cognizance! The miraculous unknown ideal! Idea's are generally repulsed ... confuses those set in their way ...

What if we were to gather these together ... in combatant, competitive, and offending manner would this be violent? Then the goup over to the side would get great fun out of the banter arising ... and a great ribbing would be constructed ... just to allow Eyres down-under on Australia Day ... where the convictions were released as a peculiar rub to the motherland where the Griffon lived as a dragon spirit! How would you separate the spirits? Into know-nothing sorts and those that were intelligent and didn't give a chit!

Is there a 3rd kind that would just be medi-ocre ocre being a mud to stick them in so they would stand out. Reminds me of cubits, tablets the ancients would record events on ... some of these would be upset in the stoic misunderstandings with great delite in the banter evolving ... stuff causing raucious laughter in the fringes ... and the angels and daemons went at it even harder as they received attention ... a vain effort when you see how beat up they are in an action in which they seem to learn nothing of the larger gammos ... but then it is dark in the institutional temple ... a bony structure in some versions of the allah Gory that's akin to plasma getting out of hand as fire and energy! Got to be a pool somewhere for the participants to take a dunk'n ... that'd allow a kohl'n off ... and annealing or tempering of the maelable types ... black's mything language ... so you wouldn't know. Brain surgeons use the same methods of confusing tongues ... does appear to assist them though ... must be about understanding of the alien terms ... foreign tongues?

This is no longer taught in schools, we are even drifting towards eliminating hand written forms ... and most people do not even appreciate the initial computed code ... it is like "X" another graphic unknown! Such is the chaos we live in ... is there another, can the disturbance be stilled? Imagine saints of silent thought all laid out on the page ... that's the WORD! Most people would not envision it as E-mote  I've ... a driving force of great curisoity leading to uestioning of the word ... God. Innocence and ignorance is easier as a silent conspiracy about what we don't know ... an extensive domain that some neuroscientists say is reflected in our internal makup. Is that subtle or what ... just below bored comment Eire? This way few can see it... unless they have adequate desire to match the lost soul ...

The story goes on aD continuim! Sort of hairy ... with fine connective strings ... the cobbed web of the mind? If you get nothing out of life cobble that ... like blueberry grunt ... a grave-ID pas'n that is delightful.

People who ridicule others say more about themselves than they do about those they ridicule.

Getting wisdom? Right on! But what is wisdom? And, once we know what it is, how to we get it?

Well, it takes wisdom to find wisdom. The old Cosmic Catch 22, eh?

Is such a whirly gig opposition to the Babylonian Storm God ... JOE BLTZFX?

Appears like common Eyre's but who dah known if the emotions cloud the wisdom ...

 Hi Arminius    your quote    Getting wisdom? Right on! But what is wisdom? And, once we know what it is, how to we get it?

Charles Stanley has your answer -----Acquiring Wisdom -----you can read the article or listen to the video   ------your choice if you're really interested in knowing what Wisdom is and how you can get it ----One thing for sure is if you are not Born Again then God's Wisdom is unattainable ---

What is wisdom?
the Bible makes a distinction between two
very different kinds:
 

Worldly wisdom is the use of knowledge
and information. it’s based on human
understanding and reasoning, but it is
foolishness to the Lord (1 cor. 3:19).
 

Godly wisdom is the capacity to see things
from the Father’s viewpoint and respond
according to scriptural principles. With it, a
person can survive any circumstance.

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....open question here....

What about earned ridicule?????

How do we tell the difference between ridicule that we brought upon ourselves because of what we have done wrong and ridicule that is not warranted?

How do we respond to each???

...wisdom .... now there is a whole other kettle of fish....

Good topic for another thread .....

Regards

Rita

That's a great idea Rita! I've been following the discussion about the complexities of ridicule, and it would be good to expand on it.

Ridicule ... is the stuff of interest to bored gods ... when they watch the following activity:

People accept heavenly wisdom (imaginaed because they wished ID) without any questioning or walking around the strange thing as it collapsed here ... like the Runes from heaven ... my pious mother rejected Runes of the past based on what her minister declared ... but he was not a well educated sort either. His desires wished to take over the other side of his mind that knew nothing ... a win win situation where nothing grows extensively ... it is an airy perspective once you clean out the emotional baggage.

Why are gods bored ... with mankind as mediums they know to keep their heads down silly! Otherwise they could get shot off in a travelling ego ... that is cognizance ... like chit to those that desire not to know imaginary things like the bulk of the psyche is considered ... mostly incomplete and in construction ... abstractly at that ... since you cannot be aware of things from within the system---Heiseinberg!

Just remember your simplist parts and them you won't feel so bad ... and god knows we are surrounded with simple pieces of the enigma that's life about to fall off an undefined edge ...

Hi RitaTG,

It is a matter of maturity and the ability to critically examine one's self.  If the ridicule is an ad hominem attack it cannot be considered warranted.  If the ridicule is not an ad hominem attack it should be considered closely as it may be warranted.

Ideally?  With class.

Sometimes the ridicule is actually teasing and while it is an attempt to make fun of it may not be meant with a mean-spirit.  

Grace and peace to you.

John

Whether the ridicule is warranted or not, we don't have to take it as a personal attack, and don't have to retaliate. And, if it is warranted, we can regard it as a learning experience and learn from it.

As a teaching tool, ridicule is not very effective, and can be counterproductive.

If one takes the Golden Rule at all seriously, it quickly becomes clear what the boundaries are, IMO. If you are being "roasted" in a friendly and collegial way with people that know you well, that's one thing. This actually has a community-building function.

Otherwise, I can't see any value in it - truly. I thought an exception might be public figures, who understand that they will be targets of lots of craziness, and willingly put themselves out there. This could be true online as well. By virtue of showing up, we set ourselves up for potential ridicule. Personally, I don't really buy that. Intent is everything.

I am helpless if someone mistakes ridicule for potentially constructive criticism. Especially if that's what they want to discuss, despite such criticism being leveled at you. 

RevJohn said, class is the worthiest response because it's indicative of your maturity. 

Having said all that, Ridicule of Politicians is Wicked Fun. I wish I didn't enjoy it so much.

Hi ninja:

So, when the object of our ridicule is Rob Ford, ridicule is justified?

I think not. But, as you said, it is tempting.

At front of a class of crazies are people demanding to be best at ID ... just look about Rev.John; is this world sane? If so why are we in the precarious state we're in? Can you speak to the pious of things they haven't seen or experienced or do they profess to know it all. That's a downright puffed up statement ... the sort of thing that creates hollow-Eire states than mortal can imagine even when raptured by the kæs 've the pi Gi ... the Shadow that consumes all things as a big pupil ... huge entendre going on! Mostly what we see in life is empty alchemii ... hollow realtions with those that have had simple wealth extrated by those believing themselves more powerful ... without the underground states of thought ... will there be collapse? This may be protoneic thought as opposing eclectic emotions.

I mixed a lot of scientific terms in here so you would have trouble understanding as decreed by church fathers that stated common people shouldn't know ... and this is reflected in the great myth as Genesis 2 ... a mere tree to be cut down by men when the poking and probing by nails (onyx) is complete ... in the light of what's fore gone ... it appears we mist the message as we lacked the true immersion ... in all the word that led up to that point!

On Ridicule, pokes and jabs at the þi kae ... is this not natural law? Did god sent us weird people into the natural world to try out the laws see if they really work ... like does every action have an equal and opposite reaction ... only the gods that were around before natural stuff would believe we should be unnatural and not respond like the crumbs under the tables of kings. Even Christ had problems with that reaction from that dark lass ... Syro-phonetian over just a fiery word that returned from the kings logical elimination of poor children from the fair distribution system that wasn't really equitable, not a crumb to be chared. Now tell me are modern Christian Humans really equitable, fraternalistic and at liberty to follow the natural rules when the primary bretherin act the way they do? Those are the ones proded up front by devious desires that they haven't yet unravelled ... about the golden ass myth as the braid reaches down from that porthole ... the dox of hoers hite and man has been trying to peddle it since? Who were the patriarches who first started selling the daughters as sole possession?

Let the games continue so those of us that will ... can go ... where? That would beyond those that believe in well divided unnatural things like love and thought in the same breath as a human medium that is not very equitable. If this sounds crazy just ponder how unlikely it would be that the truth would go over well considering the position we're in!

There must be an alternate, another by reason of the rule that allows you to make something of nothing as long as there is another that is exactly opposite in character ... like opposing gods child of light is that sight unseen ... a sort of negative energy like Steven Hawking feels collects in a hole ... humbled by all that glows beyond him ... and thus inque spots in the night Skye ... unless you're a surreal sole ... you'll never see eM ... as they are intangible on this side because of physical numbing by excessive possession ... the story of avarice expanded upon as the desire to possess all things ... nothing is excluded but you might not understand this if you don't read a lot and carefully!

If there is "matter" as consequence must there be mind as antimatter as everything physical is what the gods ordered up out of upended space? Consider that people don't believe in dark matter ... how would they take to dark antimatter as thought in the ratio of mind over matter in spatial consideration. This is where thought drifted off to in the extend of excess physical desires to scroo' all things ... thus it was and no longer is ... that's how it now isn't a mire slip of the tongue and it's ova ... into his ear and he squirms ... about to die to who he was prior! Was probably a widow in Chaucher's writing about her going without necessaries while wandering. They were on that strange pilgrimage looking for God weren't they?

 And was the tongue in the ear an icon about how your brains are sucked out and placed indescript as bottom end lucens something too ... and you don't know what was given up to Ur? Cosmological screw up to raise the hopes of the whole human pool that in the last 2 millenia are oppressed by this nonsense without a thin film of logic ... clear stoo pid idée ... they don't even know varients of words placed on a pigskin ... the neural surface that cotains synaptic gaps ... hollow matter? Now is that just stunning like bloe to the side of the head by alien ephraim 've tongue in the  ... heresy spot! Damned dot where a lot of ridiculous stuff goes through and retained ...

One has to test it to see if it adequately filtters as san ... that's the intellect out side the human proto type ... down right gritty as it started out ...

Ridicule serves the important function of highlighting ridiculous propositions that people take seriously. To me, it is an attempt to mix humour with an explanation of what is so ridiculous about the other side.

As soon as you tell me that you know something about the nature of the universe and our place in it, that is somehow denied to me, but you can't show me because I don't believe....that's inviting ridicule.

And realize the difference between ridiculing you, and ridiculing your beliefs. I don't really care that your beliefs are very personal. Some people's political opinions are very personal, and they take any derision of Sarah Palin very personally. If we always walk around on eggshells, that's a boring and unproductive existence.

Further, I'm completely open to having my own beliefs ridiculed. I've had that attempted here many times, but the advantage I think I have, is that ridiculing atheists for coming to a reasonable conclusion about the existence of a deity who hasn't bothered showing up for 2000 years is pretty damn difficult, and usually falls flat.

The great thing in Christianity's corner, is that at least one likely con artist who authored bits of the bible predicted that these beliefs would be mocked! It's like a prophesy fulfilled. I'll give him credit there - he knew what they were writing was bullshit, and he tried his best to hardwire the faithful to ignore all ridicule.

Think about it. Makers of new products always look at old ones and improve upon them. If you want to make a new religion, and see that old ones are being ridiculed and people are walking away because they realize the ridicule is not without merit, just write into your new faith to expect ridicule and ignore it! Brilliant! The new religion proves itself more immune to ridicule and reason than the older ones.

Also, there's this.

Oh, something else I came across that made me laugh:

Immediately, I thought of this place and the number of flags my posts have probably generated, compared to everyone else's.

It's a failing of mine that I forget that there is waaay more to life than opposing religion. I get too caught up in this place. I certainly call myself out as an idiot when I spend too much time here. However, I do think there is value in opposing religion, and when the other side has jettisoned reason and talks seriously about how happy they are that a man was executed (or temporarily inconvenienced, really) for their benefit, what kind of options are left for those of us who don't buy in?