Do you think a person who has been in the United Church all of her life (75 years) but 'left' the church for personal reasons in 1992, could be at peace with a move to the Anglican church? What do you think might be the pitfalls?
On sunday a long time Anglican re-affirmed her faith and took out full membership in the congregation I attend. She had been attending with us for 2 years.
It depends more on why you left and what you are seeking.
There are quite a few joint anglican/united ministries across canada.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/24/2014 16:11
kate38ca wrote:
Do you think a person who has been in the United Church all of her life (75 years) but 'left' the church for personal reasons in 1992, could be at peace with a move to the Anglican church? What do you think might be the pitfalls?
Yes, I feel that they could be.
Pitfalls?
Not giving the Anglican church a fair chance if something negative happened in the United Church. Sometimes people feel that if they just change churches, they'll have no more problems. Sometimes, however, people just take whatever problems they had with them.
Why the interest in the Anglican denomination? Why not, say, the Baptist?
Arminius
Posted on: 03/24/2014 16:32
Hi kate:
What do I think might be the pitfalls?
The pitfalls are not what I think but what she thinks. I don't see any pitfalls. If she likes the Anglican Church, she should go for it!
RitaTG
Posted on: 03/24/2014 16:39
The pitfalls would be expecting that the new church was comfortably like your former church and that there would be no issues there. In other words ... without the uncomfortable stuff.....
Churches are composed of people and therefore there are warts and wrinkles.....
Regards
Rita
revjohn
Posted on: 03/24/2014 17:34
Hi Kate38ca
kate38ca wrote:
Do you think a person who has been in the United Church all of her life (75 years) but 'left' the church for personal reasons in 1992, could be at peace with a move to the Anglican church?
It would take some adjusting. Most of that to a new governance model and the Sunday liturgy. Depending on the Church they may still be using the Red Hymn Book that was a joint venture between the United and Anglican Churches from the 70's.
On one level it could feel more homey than a United Church which has embraced all of the new hymn resources.
Kate38ca wrote:
What do you think might be the pitfalls?
Holy Communion.
Anglicans use wine not juice and if you go to the rail and they serve the little wafers don't let curiosity get the better of you and take it for a test drive. Because later when the priest comes by with a chalice of wine and sees you have no wafer he will be tipping the chalice for you to drink from.
Anglicans also have a no left over policy so if it is only you and the priest drinking from the chalice you are going to get way more than a sip.
It was either pound it back or drown my first time at the rail in an Anglican Church.
It was probably the most Methodist I have been in my life. I too felt strangely warmed.
All told it wasn't a huge deal, just a shock. I'm sure I flushed and I appeared to make it back to my pew at the back without incident.
Afterward the priest thanked me for helping him out, seems everybody has made the switch to intinction in that parish.
Grace and peace to you.
John
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/24/2014 17:51
so it would be problematic for alcoholics to be anglican, then? there must be some recourse for them...
Tabitha
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:03
LOL as some of you know Naramata Community Church is a shared united/anglican church.
Presbytery was hosted at Naramata Centre by the Centre and the church.
Communion was served-but it was organic local grape juice.
After the service Rev. Stickney asked me to help drink the leftovers. It was truly wonderful juice!
revjohn
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:19
Hi InannaWhimsey,
InannaWhimsey wrote:
so it would be problematic for alcoholics to be anglican, then? there must be some recourse for them...
I suppose it could be. I don't know of any studies.
It is one reason why the Salvation Army doesn't celebrate Holy Communion.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Pinga
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:20
Well, if you left because of "the decision" you are going to face the same challenges in the Anglican church.
It really depends on why you left the church. The Anglican church is alike in some ways, not so much in others.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:36
kate38ca wrote:
Do you think a person who has been in the United Church all of her life (75 years) but 'left' the church for personal reasons in 1992, could be at peace with a move to the Anglican church? What do you think might be the pitfalls?
kate38ca,
hello there and welcome :3
i think that the best thing for someone in that situation would be to actually go to at least two different anglican congregations and try them out for a while. go to the services. try out bible study. be curious, don't assume, and don't be afraid to ask questions. lots and lots of questions :3
most places of worship in my experience are more than willing to answer questions :3
seeler
Posted on: 03/26/2014 14:54
UCC all my life. Spent two months in Florida (no UCC of course); attended an Episcapal (Anglican) church with friends for the first month. I was always confused and on the wrong page with the prayer book and hymn book. Many of the hymns were unfamiliar. I liked communion every Sunday, and the wine, but found the service hard to follow. Eventually I found a small Presbyterian church in Florida for the remainder of my stay.
In Canada - I find it difficult to call the clergy 'priests'. I remember when they were 'ministers'. I don't call people 'father'. By the way, do Anglicans call female priests 'father' or what term do they use?
In this part of the country, I find most Anglican clergy to be on the conservative side theologically. While cooperation was common a generation or two ago, now it is difficult to organize anything ecumenical. An institute for Christian studies that had flourished for years, disbaned because Anglican's refused to attend any sessions in UCC buildings or led by UCC clergy (and I found I didn't get much out of the sessions led by Anglican clergy - with some exceptions). I don't think it would be easy for me to make a switch.
On the other hand - if I lived in a small town and found it impossible for personal reasons to continue attending the UCC - I would try church shopping. If available I would probably try the Presbyterian first - then other mainline churches including Anglican and RC. I'm sure there are good people in them all. And I would want to continue worshipping in community and offering my services if possible.
I may not formerly join another church. And certainly if I choose to attend a Baptist congregation I would not agree to being baptized again, as some people I know have done.
Beloved
Posted on: 03/26/2014 15:08
I can't think of any pitfalls off the bat, Kate38ca. I think the most important thing if one is trying to maintain, or attain peace, would be to keep in mind that there will be differences between the two, but be willing to work through them, adapt to them, and hopefully eventually be able to receive and take them in and make them ones own in time.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2014 17:10
I still ask - why not a Baptist. We offer better potlucks and biblically-performed ordinances.
chansen
Posted on: 03/26/2014 17:13
To be fair to kate38ca, I think the main reason she shouldn't move to a Baptist church is that she would then be a Baptist.
waterfall
Posted on: 03/26/2014 17:26
I think Lutheran churches are pretty close to Anglican theology? Not positive though.
Mendalla
Posted on: 03/26/2014 18:11
waterfall wrote:
I think Lutheran churches are pretty close to Anglican theology? Not positive though.
Depends. There's more than one Lutheran denomination.
There's Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. (ELCiC)
There's Lutheran Church - Canada (LCC), the Canadian offshoot of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod.
ELCiC has a Full Communion agreement (the 2001 Waterloo Declaration) with the Anglicans so they, at least, do not see any conflict in their theologies and are likely close as you suggest. Not sure about LCC.
Mendalla
carolla
Posted on: 03/26/2014 18:24
so kate38ca - what do you think?
airclean33
Posted on: 03/26/2014 20:15
When I was in The U.C.C we used to breafast with our brothers in the Anglican church once a mouth. There church really was only a block away. They seemed like nice Christain men. God Bless .--airclean33
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2014 20:57
chansen wrote:
To be fair to kate38ca, I think the main reason she shouldn't move to a Baptist church is that she would then be a Baptist.
I don't understand.
RitaTG
Posted on: 03/27/2014 16:14
Dcn. Jae wrote:
chansen wrote:
To be fair to kate38ca, I think the main reason she shouldn't move to a Baptist church is that she would then be a Baptist.
Comments
Tabitha
Posted on: 03/24/2014 15:52
On sunday a long time Anglican re-affirmed her faith and took out full membership in the congregation I attend. She had been attending with us for 2 years.
It depends more on why you left and what you are seeking.
There are quite a few joint anglican/united ministries across canada.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/24/2014 16:11
Do you think a person who has been in the United Church all of her life (75 years) but 'left' the church for personal reasons in 1992, could be at peace with a move to the Anglican church? What do you think might be the pitfalls?
Yes, I feel that they could be.
Pitfalls?
Not giving the Anglican church a fair chance if something negative happened in the United Church. Sometimes people feel that if they just change churches, they'll have no more problems. Sometimes, however, people just take whatever problems they had with them.
Why the interest in the Anglican denomination? Why not, say, the Baptist?
Arminius
Posted on: 03/24/2014 16:32
Hi kate:
What do I think might be the pitfalls?
The pitfalls are not what I think but what she thinks. I don't see any pitfalls. If she likes the Anglican Church, she should go for it!
RitaTG
Posted on: 03/24/2014 16:39
The pitfalls would be expecting that the new church was comfortably like your former church and that there would be no issues there. In other words ... without the uncomfortable stuff.....
Churches are composed of people and therefore there are warts and wrinkles.....
Regards
Rita
revjohn
Posted on: 03/24/2014 17:34
Hi Kate38ca
Do you think a person who has been in the United Church all of her life (75 years) but 'left' the church for personal reasons in 1992, could be at peace with a move to the Anglican church?
It would take some adjusting. Most of that to a new governance model and the Sunday liturgy. Depending on the Church they may still be using the Red Hymn Book that was a joint venture between the United and Anglican Churches from the 70's.
On one level it could feel more homey than a United Church which has embraced all of the new hymn resources.
What do you think might be the pitfalls?
Holy Communion.
Anglicans use wine not juice and if you go to the rail and they serve the little wafers don't let curiosity get the better of you and take it for a test drive. Because later when the priest comes by with a chalice of wine and sees you have no wafer he will be tipping the chalice for you to drink from.
Anglicans also have a no left over policy so if it is only you and the priest drinking from the chalice you are going to get way more than a sip.
It was either pound it back or drown my first time at the rail in an Anglican Church.
It was probably the most Methodist I have been in my life. I too felt strangely warmed.
All told it wasn't a huge deal, just a shock. I'm sure I flushed and I appeared to make it back to my pew at the back without incident.
Afterward the priest thanked me for helping him out, seems everybody has made the switch to intinction in that parish.
Grace and peace to you.
John
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/24/2014 17:51
so it would be problematic for alcoholics to be anglican, then? there must be some recourse for them...
Tabitha
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:03
LOL as some of you know Naramata Community Church is a shared united/anglican church.
Presbytery was hosted at Naramata Centre by the Centre and the church.
Communion was served-but it was organic local grape juice.
After the service Rev. Stickney asked me to help drink the leftovers. It was truly wonderful juice!
revjohn
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:19
Hi InannaWhimsey,
so it would be problematic for alcoholics to be anglican, then? there must be some recourse for them...
I suppose it could be. I don't know of any studies.
It is one reason why the Salvation Army doesn't celebrate Holy Communion.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Pinga
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:20
Well, if you left because of "the decision" you are going to face the same challenges in the Anglican church.
It really depends on why you left the church. The Anglican church is alike in some ways, not so much in others.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/24/2014 18:36
Do you think a person who has been in the United Church all of her life (75 years) but 'left' the church for personal reasons in 1992, could be at peace with a move to the Anglican church? What do you think might be the pitfalls?
kate38ca,
hello there and welcome :3
i think that the best thing for someone in that situation would be to actually go to at least two different anglican congregations and try them out for a while. go to the services. try out bible study. be curious, don't assume, and don't be afraid to ask questions. lots and lots of questions :3
most places of worship in my experience are more than willing to answer questions :3
seeler
Posted on: 03/26/2014 14:54
UCC all my life. Spent two months in Florida (no UCC of course); attended an Episcapal (Anglican) church with friends for the first month. I was always confused and on the wrong page with the prayer book and hymn book. Many of the hymns were unfamiliar. I liked communion every Sunday, and the wine, but found the service hard to follow. Eventually I found a small Presbyterian church in Florida for the remainder of my stay.
In Canada - I find it difficult to call the clergy 'priests'. I remember when they were 'ministers'. I don't call people 'father'. By the way, do Anglicans call female priests 'father' or what term do they use?
In this part of the country, I find most Anglican clergy to be on the conservative side theologically. While cooperation was common a generation or two ago, now it is difficult to organize anything ecumenical. An institute for Christian studies that had flourished for years, disbaned because Anglican's refused to attend any sessions in UCC buildings or led by UCC clergy (and I found I didn't get much out of the sessions led by Anglican clergy - with some exceptions). I don't think it would be easy for me to make a switch.
On the other hand - if I lived in a small town and found it impossible for personal reasons to continue attending the UCC - I would try church shopping. If available I would probably try the Presbyterian first - then other mainline churches including Anglican and RC. I'm sure there are good people in them all. And I would want to continue worshipping in community and offering my services if possible.
I may not formerly join another church. And certainly if I choose to attend a Baptist congregation I would not agree to being baptized again, as some people I know have done.
Beloved
Posted on: 03/26/2014 15:08
I can't think of any pitfalls off the bat, Kate38ca. I think the most important thing if one is trying to maintain, or attain peace, would be to keep in mind that there will be differences between the two, but be willing to work through them, adapt to them, and hopefully eventually be able to receive and take them in and make them ones own in time.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2014 17:10
I still ask - why not a Baptist. We offer better potlucks and biblically-performed ordinances.
chansen
Posted on: 03/26/2014 17:13
To be fair to kate38ca, I think the main reason she shouldn't move to a Baptist church is that she would then be a Baptist.
waterfall
Posted on: 03/26/2014 17:26
I think Lutheran churches are pretty close to Anglican theology? Not positive though.
Mendalla
Posted on: 03/26/2014 18:11
I think Lutheran churches are pretty close to Anglican theology? Not positive though.
Depends. There's more than one Lutheran denomination.
There's Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. (ELCiC)
There's Lutheran Church - Canada (LCC), the Canadian offshoot of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod.
ELCiC has a Full Communion agreement (the 2001 Waterloo Declaration) with the Anglicans so they, at least, do not see any conflict in their theologies and are likely close as you suggest. Not sure about LCC.
Mendalla
carolla
Posted on: 03/26/2014 18:24
so kate38ca - what do you think?
airclean33
Posted on: 03/26/2014 20:15
When I was in The U.C.C we used to breafast with our brothers in the Anglican church once a mouth. There church really was only a block away. They seemed like nice Christain men. God Bless .--airclean33
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2014 20:57
To be fair to kate38ca, I think the main reason she shouldn't move to a Baptist church is that she would then be a Baptist.
I don't understand.
RitaTG
Posted on: 03/27/2014 16:14
To be fair to kate38ca, I think the main reason she shouldn't move to a Baptist church is that she would then be a Baptist.
I do understand
........
Regards
Rita