I wonder what they thought of Jesus at the wedding

Good god! This is absolutely ridiculous!

Interesting.  It's probably a private school ... so they make their own rules, and it's the mid-west - a very different cultural approach to many things. 

Hello crazyheart: While I disagree strongly with the school's  stand, the young man was warned of the consequences should he proceed with his plans. He attends that school and so must abide by their dogma and doctrine. His father, hopefully knowing full well the institution he sent his son to, cannot simply ignore the rules he chose to abide by simply because they offend him now...after the fact. If he was unaware of the Christian rules that the school 'lives' by, why did he send his son there in the first place?

Having said all that...the young man can still write for and receive his diploma. He has already experienced a prom and must, by now, realize there isn't much to it. Hopefully, this experience will open his eyes, and his father's, as to the detrimental effects of attending a school that is so preoccupied with a students off-campus, extra-curricular activities.

Having said all that as well...I would be interested if they asked the young man if he had done "ungodly things" or had "wrong and lustful thoughts". If he answered no, then how do they qualify his response? Is the end result that he gets suspended because they think he is a liar? Is this about rules or do they justify their actions by assuming he is a liar? Arbitrary rule is difficult. Does the end justify the means?

Peace

Attrus, I have to agree that he did know the rules and chose to not follow the,. Quite like Miss California knew the rules about being only a spokesperson for the pageant and chose to ignore them. So I guess, you get what you sign for on the dotted line.

Since when is being tempted a sin? Crazy Fundies, and their.. fundism.

crazyheart...I am unaware of the Miss California story...do tell.

FG...you are so correct...it is perhaps, ironic, that they spend so much time judging the actions of others when that action is so clearly prohibited in their bible.

Peace...friends

Attrus

Greetings!

If the student was warned in advance, and went anyway . . . then, as others stated - he must suffer the consequences of his actions.  The school is allowing final exams and a diploma.  And I agree with both of these things.  But, what about "grace" . . . ?  Does that come into it at all . . . seeing as how it is a "Christian" school?

Hope, peace, joy, love ...

This is so screwed up. No handholding? What kind of idiots prohibit that?

I'd take legal action against the suspension too. The school shouldn't have the right to punish a student for something that was done outside of school property and class time.

crazyheart...googled...miss california...?

Wow....crazy.   I guess if the school has set these rules they have to show solidarity or they would end up with a whole school full of hand holding sinners.  I can't imagine what these kids end up doing when they finally break free of this regime.  I've seen a few examples and it's not pretty.

They have the right legally.  I have seen this before.  In order to go to these schools you have to follow the rules.  It is not a public school they do not have to take everyone.

This fits in with the extremeist thread.

Bolt

It's sad, because in Baptist-ism there is a kinda of central doctrine of four fundamental freedoms.  One of which is freedom to interpret the bible as one will, and the other is freedom of choice regarding how one chooses to live in faith.

This is clearly a violation of those fundamental freedoms.

Not to mention so many social norms.

As-Salaamu Alaikum

-Omni

hey, the rules are the rules.  he knew the rules, he was actually taken aside and warned, and then he chose to break them. 

if you don't like them rules, then get the heck out.  they are still giving him the opportunity to get his diploma, which is admirable... i'm not sure what else you can expect from them.

i think it is this kids dad who needs to give his head a shake... you put your kid into this school, and then stepped back and allowed him to break the rules, and then you are going to try and side step the consequences?!?!?  duuuuude....

Parents and teenagers should take a long look at the schools philosophy, rules, and regulations before enrolling.  Once they agree to the rules, then I would think that they should follow them. 

I can't imagine sending my kid to a school like that.   I'm glad that they are letting him write his exams and get his diploma.  After that he should shake the dust from his feet and get out.  This is not the place for him. 

Maybe now tht he has had a taste of the outside world he will want to experience more of normal life - hopefully he will retain his values - and go on to attend university of a community college in the real world.

Hi sighsnootles,

I'm with sighsnootles on this.  Whether you agree with the rules or not participation at the school more than implies that you will abide by the rules.

He was warned against so he knew that there would be repercussions.

These are the repercussions.

Amen.

Grace and peace to you.

John

I wonder if the rules apply to activities outside the reach of the school? If they do, and the parents and student signed a contract stating that they do and understood these rules, then the student broke the contract by attending the public school prom. If however, the rules do not apply to activities outside the reach of the school, then the student and his parents have a case. 

WOW. One does not need to attend a prom to face temptation and have lustful thoughts. The moment one steps out of the house in the morning or logs onto the internet or turns on the tv, one faces temptation and can have lustful thoughts.

When I worked for Christian Horizons, I had to sign a contract stating that I would not engage in extra-marital affairs, abstain from using illegal drugs, no drunkeness etc.....I understood that these rules applied while I was employed by Christian Horizons and applied to both while at work and on my days off. So I immeadiately left the Mormon Church, closed down my crack house and joined AA.

...and it's a good thing that they couldn't monitor dreams.  I, for one, wouldn't have graduated!!! 

If he was warned and chose his actions knowing the consequences, he should be mature enough to accept the recourse. 

His parents are teaching him a very poor lesson.  When he gets to his first job and the boss says "this work needs to be done for our meeting on Friday" and he decides instead that he doesn't agree what do you think he'll do then when he is demoted, fired, reprimanded, passed over for promotion, etc., etc.  Perhaps dad could sue his employer...cms

attrus - Miss California lost the Miss USA pageant, and there was uproar about her comments against same-sex marriage.  (She apparently wasn't the top candidate, no matter what she says).  The point is, her answer was poorly prepared considering the intent of the question and her role as a spokesperson for California, but also the audience & make-up of the pagaent organizers.

I'm with Sigh - Duuuuude (lol!) - and most others here too - the dad made a choice to have his son in the school, so his son isn't necessarily the one to accept the rule against all those silly things.  The son has a responsibility, though, to finish school and get to a point where he can make his own decisions.  I do think it is a totally ridiculous rule though, and darn right, I would have tried to get to the prom!!

Does this remind anyone of Footloose? 

I'm listening.

LOL!!   now that you mention it....  YEAH!!

have we learned NOTHING from 'footloose'?!?!?

stupid rule.  Legit rule and enforcement.  The only true issue I would have is if this was the most viable option in an area (i.e. this is essentially a public school run by a denomination)  but it does not see to be the case.  The other issue would be if he was denied his education in some way. 

Also interestingly enough a lot of schools like this have contracts for students to sign governing all behaviour between enrollment and graduation.  Even in SK here all staff in the Catholic system (a major portion of the schools in the city) have to sign a moral behaviour contract

Peace

Joel

Your question is, "Christian schools - do they have this right?"

It would seem that in this case, the answer is yes.

Their website says, "every family must sign a statement of cooperation. Students in 7^th through 12^th grades must also sign it. It doesn’t say that you have to agree with them, but that we will all abide by them." (source: http://www.heritagefindlay.org/index.cfm?i=6416&mid=1000&id=199128 )

i LOVE that movie!

sorry attrus for not getting back to you ( Darn WonderMail). Birthstone has given it to you in a nutshell and apparently Donald Trump is making the decision this morning as to whether she will lose her crown or not.

getting back to the Christian School - Is it only a sin if this young fellow was found out. What if he had gone to the prom and nobody new. Very interesting take on sin.

Fanatics of any stripe are dangerous and unworthy.  If they do deny the boy the graduation that he has earned, I sincerely hope the father sues them for everything he can.  People and bodies such as that which has threatened the child, play a very large role in the world's negative opinion of Christianity, and serve to drive many people who would be able to benefit, away from church.

Their behaviour is disgusting.

However if he did not live up to the contract, has he, in fact, earned his diploma?  In Ontario (maybe in other provinces too) high school students are required to perform 40 hours of unpaid/volunteer community service.  If they don't do it, they don't graduate.  They may have passed all the courses with marks of 90%+ but if they don't do the volunteer hours, they do not graduate...cms

Wrong and lustful thoughts are not sin, acting them out is a different matter, but at the same time, how can we become refined if we don’t go through the fire and get burned from time to time?

As I remember, Jesus never condemned the Samaritan woman , Jesus spoke life to her.

That school is wrong and acted in a non Christian manner and direct violation of Gods rule number 2) love your neighbour as yourself

This is a good lesson for all who sign contracts in any walk of life. If you don't believe what you are signing and are not going to abide by it - don't sign. In this case, the student would not be going to this school. ( Not that I agree with the ethos)

Maybe God placed this student there so the school can straighten out its act, this is a good lesson for people to read the bible on there own and listen to the guidance of the Holy Spirit instead of rules of men.

It really bugs me when I read stuff like this, Jesus said we shall be free indeed, we are free to make mistakes and grow , we are free to worship God in our own manner, that school has the right to make rules, but they do not have the right to make them biblical principals when there not, the pope does a great job of that

The question can be read (and answered) in 2 ways:

1. do they have this right, as in can they legally do this -- if they are a private institution then certainly they can set whatever rules they want as long as those rules do not contravene the law of the land.  Since nobody has a right to dance the rule stands (unless one wants to make a "freedom to associate" argument).
2. do they have this right, as in a correct understanding -- IMO no.  The rule is all wet. 

They did not make it a biblical principle, they interpreted Scripture in such a way to believe this poilcy is in keeping with Scriptural demands to be pure/chaste/holy.  All churches do this.  SOme do it more regularly and more stringently than others.

Hey Birthstone...thanks!..crazyheart...no worries!

Thomas Paine said, "Man cannot create principles, he can only discover them."

Peace

Attrus

lol- no problem :)

Ok - now we gotta track down a dusty old copy of Footloose and have a good ol chat!! 

I believe in that case it was a city kid (Kevin Bacon) moving into a backwards old town 'run' by the local Pastor who had forgotten a long time ago how to have fun.  Of course, his daughter was the apple of the newcomer's eye - just to make it interesting.

I agree, personally they are applying it worng

Only in America, eh?  As long as they allow him to finish and graduate, he's better to go on, graduate, organize a boycott of the school, register a formal complaint with their state department of Education, and publicize his case to shame them. Then, his parents should sue the pants off them.  Payback's a b*tch, eh?

But, you forget, southpaw, he and his parents signed a contract with the school.

When I went back for my Master's Degree at the beginning of this year part of my student obligations were to stay out of the bar.  I signed them.  I had other obligations that I did not read.  They would have to catch me. 

When I went to High School I had a no dating contract.  I signed it.  Had I been caught dating I would have been expelled.  I wonder how the girls in my high school got pregnant if we were not allowed to date? 

Girls were also not allowed in boys' rooms in the dorms and vise versa.  A few girls were carried in inside their boyfriends' duffel bags.  They were caught during random room checks and everyone in the room was expelled.  Not that I would know anything about that. 

How big a duffel was it - Hockey size?