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Counting our 'blessings'

A huffpo article I read tonight. Good insights from article author, Scott Dannemiller, who suggests, tongue in cheek, that maybe a few lines were ommitted from Matthew 5:1-12.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4868963/

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It is a good article.  Thank you for sharing it.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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Good article. The local cafe followers of the prosperity theology should read this.

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Are the emotions directing us towards physical wealth, a metaphysical no-no?

 

When you have nothing else to worry about but your physical wealth ... I'll say duck (scro'edged; canard a' cerise? that'd be a dish for some) ... you are a target of the undergods (things unseen or missed in ignorace of the other in that chimerii roués?) demonstrative demons as bits of scattered fabric of democracy ... something we live by ...but poorly understand the equity required in it ... balanced metaphysics: emotions and intellect?

 

When gathered this is a strange wisdom to us ...or so IT appears ... far out eh boies?

 

It is a time joke (Timaeus) of Classic origins ...

 

Then if you live by the religion of not-knowing (extremes of emotion) and numby Ness ... occult thinking ... that'd be dark and abstract ... would it not? Alas something appears in complete ... in the state that I see we're in ...

 

Consider the visions of collectives in Crimea, and the anti collectives in the Western democratic error ... Ur or just undertaken Erse ... another poorly understood mythology ... of bonnie princes of thedarkness ... seeing wealth in the Runes and aches ... a  miss take to learn from? Can't if you're firm in the present state and can't process beyond that ... myth?

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I agree. It's a good article. Thankyou.  As I continued to read the comments below the article, it quickly turns into a reason to condemn others that have misused this teaching of Jesus. Suddenly the "aha" moment turns into finger pointing on how others have turned this into the prosperity gospel, rather than turning inward and asking how this article speaks to us personally.

 

How will I let God use me? How have I let God use me? Am I really open to serving God and others? What have I done? What will I do?

 

Will this article move me into action, or will I just nod with a resounding yes, tuck it away as a very good point made and hope that others will see themselves rather than me taking it personally? Will this just become another article I read that I agreed with and quickly forgotten for the rest of the day? I'm afraid the reality is, that it will be forgotten as I go through my day. I will try though.

 

 

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A gift of creation ... not remembering ... so what you forgot will be a blessing to the unknown ideals? Sort of like a high level absence of knowledge about moral and ethical rules ... quite common it appears ... almost self-desructive to an entire race ...

 

You doubt?

 

Is this mystical or what, devil of a thaught for those that worship not-knowing, innocence, and ignorance of all things and stuff that isn't things ... but anti-matter ... the emotional power allowing recall?  Yah gotta know it's out there ...

 

Now that's strange considering our present state ... and attitude towards what's beyond our self-made walls of solipcism ... and few understand the "self" portion! An integral gnomon?

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To me, the point of this article is so obvious, it need not be mentioned. But maybe I am naive, and adherance to the "Prosperity Gospel" is more widespread than I thought.

 

 

 

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Excellent article indeed.

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Prosperity Gospel -----No such Gospel exists in the Bible which is God's word  --it only exists in the minds of Humans who have no idead about God's Blessings and how  God Himself chooses to Bless His Children ----

 

Worldly Humans are blinded as to what God Himself says about money ---they are so comsumed with the thought of money themselves that they miss the whole point behind what God Himself says about His Blessings ------all worldly humans always go back to the same old thing that they don't want God's Blessings --they would rather only look after themselves by having enough for themselves so they don't have to bother sharing their money to help others who are less fortunate ---to me it is all just always excuses --excuses ---excuses ---and unbelief --unbelief --unbelief that God wants to Bless His Children  so we can Bless othes ---

 

God Himself Hates Worldly Wealth -----This is what God says to Worldly Businesses and worldly humans who have wealth that does not come from Him -----NOW PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO HIS WORD ------

  

James 5

Good News Translation (GNT)

 

Warning to the Rich

 

And now, you rich people, listen to me! Weep and wail over the miseries that are coming upon you! (A)Your riches have rotted away, and your clothes have been eaten by moths.(B)Your gold and silver are covered with rust, and this rust will be a witness against you and will eat up your flesh like fire. You have piled up riches in these last days. (C)You have not paid any wages to those who work in your fields. Listen to their complaints! The cries of those who gather in your crops have reached the ears of God, the Lord Almighty. Your life here on earth has been full of luxury and pleasure. You have made yourselves fat for the day of slaughter. (D)You have condemned and murdered innocent people, and they do not resist you.[a]

  

And Get This one -----Pay Close Attention To His Words ------

 

Ecclesiastes 2:26

New Living Translation (NLT)

 

26 God gives wisdom, knowledge, and joy to those who please him. But if a sinner becomes wealthy, God takes the wealth away and gives it to those who please him. 

 

 

And of course there is this one ---again Pay Close Attention to His Word ---- 

 

Proverbs 13:22

Good News Translation (GNT)

 

22 Good people will have wealth to leave to their grandchildren, but the wealth of sinners will go to the righteous.

 

 Now  you can all take these scriptures anyway you like ---but God's word says what it says -----quite clear and concise as far as I am concerned ----

 

 

Peace to you all

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Here is a good one ---this is Jesus speaking about worldly wealth which He call unrighteous wealth -----this is to do with investment -----Good Advice -----

 

Luke 16:9-11

English Standard Version (ESV)

 

And I tell you, (A)make friends for yourselves by means of(B)unrighteous wealth,[a] so that when it fails they may receive you into the eternal dwellings.

 

 

10 (C)“One who is (D)faithful in a very little is also faithful in much, and one who is dishonest in a very little is also dishonest in much. 11 If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous wealth, who will entrust to you the true riches?

 

The true Riches come from God not this world -----

 

 

Deuteronomy 8:18

New King James Version (NKJV)

 

18 “And you shall remember the Lord your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

 

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I'm a bit confused. He appears to talk against prosperity while he promotes it via his business?  Its O.K. then...?... and its good to make a 3400% profit....lol...as long as you don't feel  blessed by it?  

 

 
 
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Interesting article.  What do you think about this - from the 40acts website - 

 


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unsafe .... you really should read the article again....and again ... and again.....

Regards

Rita

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stardust wrote:

I'm a bit confused. He appears to talk against prosperity while he promotes it via his business?  Its O.K. then...?... and its good to make a 3400% profit....lol...as long as you don't feel  blessed by it?  

 

 
 

Good point. Seems hypocritical doesn't it?

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carolla wrote:

Interesting article.  What do you think about this - from the 40acts website - 

 



I had to think about this...the video's well done. I think what this video is to institutionalized religion is almost the same as what the article author's business is to corporate America. Both can leave people with a sense of entitlement or superiority compared to the 'other' who doesn't have what they have. That said, I am not sure if the article writer's business coaching model would help Guatemalan farmers any more than the prosperity gospel would.I agree with the author of the article's insights. However, like many if not most of us, I don't know if he yet practices what he preaches.

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Here is one    business through God ----

 

God's Word on Business
The Christian Business Association
 
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interesting link unsafe.....

As a business owner and a Christian I have sent a request to see if I qualify for membership.......

Regards

Rita

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UNSAFE ... you myth'd IT again ... can't see for living in the bo'que ET ... there's moor tuit ... Gospel of John 21:25 summing up to 46 ... 46/2=23 a significant number adding up to þean a'touchè of essence of stray thought ... of all that's out there beyond ... that one-way that corrupts the sense of an infinite idealism!

 

Perhaps I'm avin a mystical experience with my imagination ... the other half of God's ole thing ... you know god'Sole? It is like a hob'd butte (booty) attached to the pyres of a'mon ... would we be bored or just augured without imagination of the abstract variety ... while stuck in presence ot absolute gods? That presence passes ...like climax in a story or Taurus! 

 

Them all Ba aL'd in crap to make em good for fertile humurs ... something is bound to calm of it ... and the spirit of angst was Sedered ... by all the rooting around in the gorse of things ... sometimes down-under known as outback or the bo'ish scary to those hating shifting sans ... look up at night and it goes round---Einstein ( he saw the equine nature of a hoers of different hues as space=time=light in the illumination of the presence of all that's out there) some can't see what's out there even by introversion of looking at what's buried in the prescience or presensations ... those coming before the climactic event!

 

This rolls back old thoughts and provides a different perspective from that passed down by human authority ... they weren't there ... unless with an imagination of forte-roué's on Eire ... a spatial thought like drifting reams out there, pages and pages to go ... like aleiph of fey-th'! If you can't grasp word as myth ... you're newt-ayrID in alchemi (relation) to thinking yonder ...

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My take on the Dannemiller info is - He and his organisation caused my defences to rise.  I loathe 'high energy workshops and lectures' as they put me on guard lest I'm getting led towards a rip off that I can't think about because of this 'high energy person' on the stage, or across the table.  If something has true value (in my eyes) it isn't necessary to promote it with such noise and fanfare.  

 

The 40acts video was pleasanter in tone.  The major thing that struck me was the apparent lack of poor people.  Not necessarily at the level of starving (they likely wouldn't be watching videos anyway) - but ordinary, everyday poor people.  Is it correct that Christians only donate  such a small % of their riches?  If so, then Christianity is obviously of no use to the less 'blessed'!  The norm among the people I know  (many don't go to church)  exceeds 10% if you include small donations to local clubs, activities, individual familes for medical trips and so on.

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Me too, Kay, re: those types of workshops.

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Advertising Mac Hy-nations? When you're given the gears ...

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The people on the WC love the poor but the rich not so much. Is the  rich person not a neighbor as in....thou shalt love thy neighbor.... are poor people always more  holy ? Don't mind me, its a point of contention in my books.....:(

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That's right stardust.

We're not supposed to favour the rich because they are rich or the poor because they are poor.

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Poor people aren't necessarily more holy, but they tend to give away more of their income.


http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=life.nationalpost.com/2013/...


And a TED video about the science of greed. As it turns out, generally, the more we have the more we want rather than the more we give away.

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/The-science-of-greed-PaulK-Piff;Featured-...

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Jesus said something about the eye of a needle...

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 The Ted Talk was good!

 

Maybe if the poorer people were nicer to the rich people they could soften up the rich people's hearts?  

 

 I know that lots of poor or average people are very jealous of the rich. You often hear them say....." If I had HIS MONEY.....blah...blah..." when talking about the rich, business people, movie stars etc. They often  seem to judge the rich person exclusively by his/her monetary worth.

 

There also are cases where the rich successful person was very poor as a child growing up in a poor family, so as an adult that person becomes very fearful of poverty  again and feels insecure re the future. Not a bad person, just very scared.

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If you were rich you wouldn't have as much time to think ... as you would worry about the box where your gold is stored ... leaves me chimerii!

 

Some people like to think they're rich so they could put it over on the less devious ... who sees that what the supposed rich said is just a myth! This happens when you have time to thinkab out the Aaron, or Arian ... Eire-in ... or just that stranger as shunned?

 

So much intelligence out there for the pick'n ... but few believe the intellectual self is out there on an inversionary journey ... and thus the bi cameral soul as 2-I'z'd thingy ... :-| or a T supported by 2 points ... soul and spirit coming together ... al else are polity ... extremists ... they can't bring themselves down a notch or niche as it appears in subtler form ...

 

One has to get beyond one's private self to the colelctive self as seen form beyond---Heiseinberg! The religiously stuck won't be cognizant of this as they can't escape what they've been forced to believe without testing and question ... that too is biblical ... but they cut out shunned that part as it is easier to be naive! Is that a metaphorically induces stupor caused by too many demi gogues of teaching from a huge variety of perspectives ... petty/peðï gogues of Romantic aversion?

 

O! the things we don't wish to know ...

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Hi stardust     your quote    so as an adult that person becomes very fearful of poverty  again and feels insecure re the future. Not a bad person, just very scared

 

This is a very good example of what Satan wants ---Fear does not come from God ---Fear is Satan's HOOK ----what you say here is Fear of Lack ----Fear of Not Enough -----God says ---DO NOT FEAR --for I your God will provide all your needs ----Faith is God's Hook --trust in Him --God---who knows what you need to live in this world ---obey and He will Bless you -----

 

The thing we all need to get is that unless we accept His Son as our Lord and Savior --we are away from God ---so all we do in this world without being born again is for your own benefit ---all we give to others makes us feel good ----it will not bring the Blessing as God say in His word ---The Bible is a Spiritual Book and is for Born Again People ----in order to Get the Blessings God states you must obey His  word ----the first step is to renew your spirit ----Be Born Again

 

So all our giving by our Human Nature ---is not recognised by God ----we are bringing glory to yourself when all the Glory should be given to God who gives to His Children enough for themselves and overflow for giving to others -----God will never leave His Children in lack ----accroding to scripture --

 

We will either believe this or we won't ----but you must be re born to access this promise -----

 

 

Philippians 4:19

Amplified Bible (AMP)

 

1And my God will liberally supply ([a]fill to the full) your every need according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

 

 

JESUS IS SPEAKING HERE -----

 

Matthew 7:21-23

New International Version (NIV)

True and False Disciples

 

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’(A) will enter the kingdom of heaven,(B) but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.(C) 22 Many will say to me on that day,(D) ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’(E) 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’(F)

 

--again we can believe this or not but it won't change God or His Word ----  we will known when we die ----until then it is up to us to believe or not and to accept or reject ----

 

Peace  

 

 

 

 

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UNSAFE ...

 

Do confidence men weild fear as a hook-Eire ... thus the fissure or Phisher of men? Something that a psyche without clues wanted ... sochi got it ... and now doesn't know what to do with it ... Crimean O'sean ...

 

Caution what you wield without trashing the superficial side tuit!

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Just thinking of this little song tonight ... 

Love is Something if You Give it Away

Love is something if you give it away [clap, clap]

You've got to give it away

Give it away

Love is something if you give it away [clap, clap]

You'll end up having more

 

Love is like a lucky penny

Hold it tight and you won't have any

But, give it away

And you'll have plenty

You'll end up having more

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Yes, carolla, everybody is a love junkie, craving love more than anything else.

 

Well, the more of it we give away, the more of it we get. The giving is the getting, eh?

 

 

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Hi carolla,

 

carolla wrote:

Just thinking of this little song tonight ... 

Love is Something if You Give it Away

Love is something if you give it away [clap, clap]

You've got to give it away

Give it away

Love is something if you give it away [clap, clap]

You'll end up having more

 

Love is like a lucky penny

Hold it tight and you won't have any

But, give it away

And you'll have plenty

You'll end up having more

 

With the Canadian Government taking the penny out of circulation we have upgraded to magic nickle.

 

Lyrics were changed to

 

Love is like a magic nickle,

Hold it close, its so fickle

But lend it, spend it and you'll feel a tickle.

Of joy from head to toe

 

Carol Goff is responsible for the new lyrics though I doubt that they have been copywritten.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

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Like Jonah's bosun throwing the baggage overboard? It is a given ... like aÐonii/aÐonis/aDonET ... the only thing the Romantic would dispose of is the ole thing ... it is considered metaphysical ... just not there ... if it weren't for the milieu it causes about it!

 

Can you imagine bartering for ah ole thing ... oh what to do with nothing? Semite icons ...

 

First one needs an abstract imagination far from what parental rule declared ... then there'll be an experience over nothing ... but be cautious it could be a mythical Nous ... deire satyr! Like hypostasis ... underlying support for a hanging of Peter ... upsidedown inversional sects?

 

You can baffle people over nothing if you put it in technical linguistics ... something they didn't wish to know in the first place as brute force ... something will moderate it and it'll eventually become an unseen medium ... like a pariental lobe ... just a vale d'  for something else ... softshell cap for the Godhead? It should be durable, or dural to contain a mostly useless abstraction in many cases ...

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LOL RevJohn!  Guess "that's my two cents worth" will also need a similar revision!

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