The year was 1945 when the Tibetan Master Djwhal Khul passed this message to Alice Bailey. The words seem just as relevent today as they did then.
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Neo
Posted on: 04/17/2014 15:52
An Easter Message, continued ...
Neo
Posted on: 04/17/2014 15:56
An Easter Message, continued ...
Neo
Posted on: 04/17/2014 15:57
An Easter Message, continued ...
Neo
Posted on: 04/17/2014 18:55
An Easter Message, continued ...
Neo
Posted on: 04/17/2014 18:58
If churches had sermons like the above I would definitely go to church more often.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 04/17/2014 19:09
there has to be some theosophist/rosy cross/thelemic/buddhist/zen/UU kinda group that would whet your whistle somewhere in the gvrd?
(if they could channel Bruno Gerussi, I'd so be there...)
and when i first read your op's title i went 'mmm, massage...the sekrit master jesus can massage both internally and externally...'
Neo
Posted on: 04/17/2014 19:37
there has to be some theosophist/rosy cross/thelemic/buddhist/zen/UU kinda group that would whet your whistle somewhere in the gvrd?
Maybe something up Mandala's alley would suit me well.
(if they could channel Bruno Gerussi, I'd so be there...)
and when i first read your op's title i went 'mmm, massage...the sekrit master jesus can massage both internally and externally...'
An Easter Massage... hmmm Inanna, where is your mind at..
Not sure if Bruno Gerussi would be available, but Nick Adonidas' boat, the Persephony, is parked downtown. Maybe if I went and sat in it for a while.
dreamerman
Posted on: 04/17/2014 20:03
there has to be some theosophist/rosy cross/thelemic/buddhist/zen/UU kinda group that would whet your whistle somewhere in the gvrd?
(if they could channel Bruno Gerussi, I'd so be there...)
and when i first read your op's title i went 'mmm, massage...the sekrit master jesus can massage both internally and externally...'
Not sure if Bruno Gerussi would be available, but Nick Adonidas' boat, the Persephony, is parked downtown. Maybe if I went and sat in it for a while.
stardust
Posted on: 04/17/2014 22:42
Neo
Its a wonderful Easter message .
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 00:50
We see resurrection in all aspects of nature Stardust because nature is cyclic in its expression. The death of one season is the birth of the next, and so on and so on. Energy, which cannot be created or destroyed, simply moves on to its next form when the old one has run its course.
stardust
Posted on: 04/18/2014 00:30
Neo
Like....!
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/18/2014 08:11
Diamon din the ruagh is the khe ... it is said there is a difference between demons and dai mons that makes eM whorld's away ... sort of fugal in fortee!
However some people don't read sekret messages this deep ...
They don't got no respect for abstract hues/hooze so-cat-ache or Socrates as a well-knitted tube ... some dis emmanation required as prescience ... while of the Ammaz'n wa ... A'maeus in de groupai?
What's a groupai but a Big Fish ...
Mendalla
Posted on: 04/18/2014 08:42
Nicely said, Neo.
waterfall
Posted on: 04/18/2014 08:52
Nicely said, Neo.
Not sure that I would call this resurrection. Isn't the resurrection more of an anomoly? Unique? Just asking.
Mendalla
Posted on: 04/18/2014 09:13
In the Christian tradition, waterfall, Jesus' resurrection is seen as unique though a prelude to our own Resurrection. However, resurrection myths do exist in other traditions and do, indeed, tie in to what Neo says. Some of us go the extra step of seeing the Christian Resurrection in the light of that tradition. If you like, "The Resurrection" as an event is unique as it involves a specific event in a specific life but "resurrection" as an idea is a concept that transcends any specific tradition.
Mendalla
waterfall
Posted on: 04/18/2014 09:58
Now to me Mendalla, when applied to nature and other Gods it is used as metaphor but with Christ it is the reality. :)
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:06
Waterfall, while I don't disagree that the resurrection story of Christ in itself is unique, the basis of this story had been told several times throughout history.
Krishna, for instance, reported to be the eighth incarnation of the God Vishnu (the 2nd Aspect of the Hindu trinity of God), was said to be meditating under a tree when a hunter mistook him for a deer and shot him in the ankle. They burned his body but it was not destroyed. Krishna then ascended into Heaven with His newly resurrected body.
See also the myths Osiris and Persephone, for example. While these were just myths, their story tells the same tale: Life after the lower cycle of life and death is possible, if we follow the steps of righteousness and perfection. Otherwise we are bound to the wheel of birth and rebirth, over and over again.
waterfall
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:14
See also the myths Osiris and Persephone, for example. While these were just myths, their story tells the same tale: Life after the lower cycle of life and death is possible, if we follow the steps of righteousness and perfection. Otherwise we are bound to the wheel of birth and rebirth, over and over again.
I see a big difference in Christ's resurrection. It is done. No need to keep being reborn over and over again.. Our sins are forgiven. Finished!
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:26
If it is finished why are we asked to "pick up the cross" then? Why is Christ waiting to save everyone?
waterfall
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:29
To give them that message.
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:42
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?
waterfall
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:43
Our eyes need to be opened.
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:46
Our eyes need to be opened.
amen waterfall
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:47
blind devotion?
no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach,
what you believe Neo is not of God
waterfall
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:54
blind devotion?
no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach,
what you believe Neo is not of God
Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:59
blind devotion?
no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach,
what you believe Neo is not of God
Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.
This is the same party line as Airclean and Unsafe, 'if you don't believe as we do then you don't believe in God'. It's just party line rhetoric.
Arminius
Posted on: 04/18/2014 11:59
Energy, which cannot be created or destroyed, simply moves on to its next form when the old one has run its course.
A process called Transformation.
Easter, to me, is a celebration of transformation.
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 12:06
Our eyes need to be opened.
Sorry to belabour this point Waterfall, but this seems to be one of the biggest criticisms of orthodox Christianity these days. Is believing and devotion the only things necessary to "opening our eyes". Would it not make more sense that "walking the path" and "picking up the cross" means that we are meant to do the same as the man Jesus did, way back when? Were we asked to "be perfect", presumably in our physical being, i.e. in our body, our mind and our spirit, by bringing it in-line with the God within? Is this this not the true meaning of "atonement"? Christianity uses Christ as a scapegoat to forgive all our sins, like we did when we sacrificed rams and bulls in early times. Picking up the cross means to bear the load of sin on our own shoulders and walk the same path of renunciation (of our lower personality) as Jesus did. Why is this simple message lost in theology and dogma?
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/18/2014 12:08
blind devotion?
no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach,
what you believe Neo is not of God
Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.
i know hes sincere of what he belives, its still not of God
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/18/2014 12:10
blind devotion?
no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach,
what you believe Neo is not of God
Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.
I did not say you do not believe in God Neo, what I said was, what you believe about God, or the afterlife if you will, is not of God
big diffrence
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/18/2014 12:55
"i know hes sincere of what he belives, its still not of God"
That's just roundabout rumour sometimes called isolated opinion (IOs?) yet those who hold that opinion get really pissed at strange conceptions ... why the Romans killed JeSu ... they didn't like alien things either ... especially if wrote up in Hebrew and not Latin ... alien logos are like that ... at conflict!
Deviant opinions are cause for war ... especially those that don't give a damn about the piece of Christ that small share of enlightment which they go b'ithchii about ... and then deny such spirits of character in ... God made me do it ! And any opinion of the iilluminatii is out to lunch ... san witched as a medium all humbacked and knocked over, or up ...
Isn't that just the devil in justification of gods? Especially if rammed up your booti ---John Nash!
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 13:14
blind devotion?
no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach,
what you believe Neo is not of God
Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.
I did not say you do not believe in God Neo, what I said was, what you believe about God, or the afterlife if you will, is not of God
big diffrence
There is no difference when you say that what you believe is "of God" and what I believe is "not of God".
I'm just thankful that I live in an age where the Church is not judge and jury regarding people's beliefs.
"Christ, you know it ain't easy
You know how hard it can be
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me "
- John Lennon
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/18/2014 13:28
If it is not of God but outside, beyond god is this the hommoe of the larger daimon?
Some success Christians won't like the sound of that in their competion ...
Is the church crazi? Only half as they married Christ and heis off somewhere looking for god ... an intellect searching for a lost love? What a pilgrimage that'll be ... or is that becoming chaos?
Eventualy we'll (weal) get over it ... as food for psyche that thing out-there ... as common weal eL th' ... one should tap into it by means of a tube or tunnel ...
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/18/2014 14:23
blind devotion?
no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach,
what you believe Neo is not of God
Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.
I did not say you do not believe in God Neo, what I said was, what you believe about God, or the afterlife if you will, is not of God
big diffrence
sure there is, unless God teaches confusion
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 14:50
sure there is, unless God teaches confusion
God doesn't teach confusion, it's always our ability to grasp the greater truth that's at hand.
Neo
Posted on: 04/18/2014 15:27
A disciple once asked the Buddha if God was real and the Buddha answered him, saying "how can you expect to know God when you don't know yourself?"
In other words, by knowing our own selves, "the truth within", we are given the pattern by which God can be comprehended. Books like the Bible or writings like the above, from the Master DK, are only "sign posts" to the truth. Our ability to glean the truth from these teachings is directly proportional to the understanding and communication we have with our "inner" Self, the God within. You can lead a horse to water or you can cast pearls to the swine, but in the end it is "us", you, me and everyone else, who have want to learn and aspire to see.
Nothing, even salvation to the elect, is given for free. We always must take the first step towards God. Even if that step is one of humility and self resignation, it's still an act that is played out by us, personalities of the Soul.
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/18/2014 20:57
sure there is, unless God teaches confusion
well who needs God then to teach truth,
aparently Pilot did
Neo
Posted on: 04/19/2014 00:41
sure there is, unless God teaches confusion
well who needs God then to teach truth,
aparently Pilot did
We all need the truth, but our ability to fathom it is always "relative". God has always borne witness through the God-aware teachers and messengers of the world. Pilot, on the other hand, cared more about keeping his hands clean than he did the truth.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/19/2014 07:23
Is God confusion? Ever look into the eis of a person in love? That's de Isis ... as they role. Good to be voyageristic about (prescient) if well-observed function ... perhaps some wisdom will be onyxed to yer sole, a bottom line thingy!
It's like there's nothing there! Perhaps why they say don't go overboard with love ... some common sense is of major assistance ... isolated men like Jacob on the farce ID or jordan wrestled with this ... Shadow Angels or Ave Eris (old word for dissonance leading to a mental storm) Some people don't believe in mental things ... so how'd they know? Too much avarice may leave you feeling you can control everything (that's Gods truth as warped by mortals)!
Some find it a good dimension to leave behind as life is too much like san paper ... all that crap and nothing to clean you's elf on ... I can hardly wait for the call ... some say it is like a bump in the night ... a dimple in imaginary space? Wholly gos Tis ... whipping about like nut'n ...
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/19/2014 07:38
Am I fulla chit? Sure am for that is all I've been told about 85-95% of the time in the Suite ness of church/kirk or what some Laplanders call au savage as pious people are usually good at skinning innocent people alive.
Now innocence is peddled (pede) by authority if you've ever heard them in the error of getting caught at IT! Some Karyn is catagorical and then sympathé kicks in as a Big Way ... converting to empathy for the whole thing ... god in another perspective ... but you can't teach this to stics set in their way ... learning is abba'd ... rite! Especially if you don't learn about ferrous toxin, knowing irony will chi cell (soma) a stone and thus that bit about selling yourself for that pearly drop betwixt yere weirs ... sort of a Nus for intellectual sorts ... the conception of hard soma's stones ... singing san?
There's piles of eiM where Lawrence went to study Arabs ... what he saw made him go home to die in aversion to what the western world was doing to the Middle Eastern ... Asia Minors ... gritty situations ... alas but free genres ... until westerners corrupted them over kohl OILs ... what some will prostitute their thoughts over ... the numbing of the Grecian Urn ... Classically Jared ... wisdom is sealed up from dis place ... something requiring a leap to get out of ... thus the bumps! Some just don't got nuff impulse ...
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/19/2014 11:13
sure there is, unless God teaches confusion
well who needs God then to teach truth,
aparently Pilot did
.
according to my God, His truth is not the same as your truth , im glad you agree that your truth is relative or subjective, because my Gods Truth is completly objective of man kind, thus the Ressurection . and we know that Truth does not contradict itself, otherwise, its not truth. your belief is contratictive to Christanity so, either God teaches 1) confusion, 2) is a lier or 3) is telling and showing the truth and relativism has got it wrong
thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth"
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 04/19/2014 11:36
"thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth""
Wasn't Pilot the representative of god on earth ... Caesar?
Something seems gyred up here ... is that cranked or screwed as the Roman's intended in the first place unde heiros gamma ... the common people shouldn't know (how we're screwing them)!
If one doesn't question and ponder ... perhaps you'd miss that and thus the wisdom was lost as a talent ... fools kohl'd?
Is such outside wisdom often denied in church under the Genesis Law on Knowledge? Thus the illustration of the stuck Christian ... plainly stumped ...
airclean33
Posted on: 04/19/2014 13:20
Hi Neo-- You posted---
"Christ, you know it ain't easy
You know how hard it can be
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me "
- John Lennon
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Airclean-- Wasn"t he a follower of Buddha?
airclean33
Posted on: 04/19/2014 13:32
Hi Neo--You posted--
Posted on: 04/18/2014 14:27
A disciple once asked the Buddha if God was real and the Buddha answered him, saying "how can you expect to know God when you don't know yourself?"
__________________________________
Airclean--A Disciple ask Christ Jesus a question . Some what the same. Show us GOD. Heres what The Lord Jesus Christ said. Somthing no other could say..
Neo
Posted on: 04/19/2014 13:34
according to my God, His truth is not the same as your truth , im glad you agree that your truth is relative or subjective, because my Gods Truth is completly objective of man kind, thus the Ressurection . and we know that Truth does not contradict itself, otherwise, its not truth. your belief is contratictive to Christanity so, either God teaches 1) confusion, 2) is a lier or 3) is telling and showing the truth and relativism has got it wrong
thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth"
According to "your interpretation" of God's teachings, your truth is not same as my truth. I'm good with that, it's what makes the world go 'round. But truth is always relative to our capacity to receive it. Always. And only one suffering from the illusion of glamour would think otherwise. If you believe that you've found the ultimate Truth, and have no need to expand on that truth, then, my friend, you are in for a big surprise one day.
Unless the scriptures of old were not written directly via a Master of Wisdom, or they have been misinterpreted and tampered with, or additional doctrines were created that contradicted the scriptures, then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received. With that said, however, many of the Biblical scriptures were written in such a way so that only those with eyes to see and ears to listen could understand them. They were not originally written as "lies" or untruths, buy they can appear as "confusions" to the eye of the beholder. The truth lies within and not so much in the dead letter. Words can only point a way to the truth, it takes the understanding and wisdom of reader to vision the real truth between the words.
Neo
Posted on: 04/19/2014 13:35
Hi Neo-- You posted---
"Christ, you know it ain't easy
You know how hard it can be
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me "
- John Lennon
________________________________
Airclean-- Wasn"t he a follower of Buddha?
Ummmm... no.
Neo
Posted on: 04/19/2014 13:40
Hi Neo--You posted--
Posted on: 04/18/2014 14:27
A disciple once asked the Buddha if God was real and the Buddha answered him, saying "how can you expect to know God when you don't know yourself?"
__________________________________
Airclean--A Disciple ask Christ Jesus a question . Some what the same. Show us GOD. Heres what The Lord Jesus Christ said. Somthing no other could say..
And if our task is to become "at-one" with the Christ Consciousness within, then the answer would be the same, right?
airclean33
Posted on: 04/19/2014 14:11
Neo--Your post--
And if our task is to become "at-one" with the Christ Consciousness within, then the answer would be the same, right?
___________________________
Airclean-- If our Task is to become "at-one with the Christ?I am a Born again Neo , I am at one with Christ. I have GODS Holy Spirit to show me that. As such, I believe now our job is to do what GOD saids and tells us to do, well in flesh.It could be for some a lot, for others not so much. But no job is small for all is GODS will. None of this earns our way into Heaven . Jesus The Christ payed for that price for us.But I believe it pleases GOD to sett gifts aside in Heaven that awaits your coming home. Obay The LORD your GOD that you may please Him. --airclean33
blackbelt1961
Posted on: 04/19/2014 14:46
according to my God, His truth is not the same as your truth , im glad you agree that your truth is relative or subjective, because my Gods Truth is completly objective of man kind, thus the Ressurection . and we know that Truth does not contradict itself, otherwise, its not truth. your belief is contratictive to Christanity so, either God teaches 1) confusion, 2) is a lier or 3) is telling and showing the truth and relativism has got it wrong
thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth"
correct, someone is in falsehood
I'm good with that, it's what makes the world go 'round. But truth is always relative to our capacity to receive it. Always
untill the physical ressurection, " I am the way the truth and the life" one of many of Christ Truth Claims & I Am's
And only one suffering from the illusion of glamour would think otherwise. If you believe that you've found the ultimate Truth, and have no need to expand on that truth, then, my friend, you are in for a big surprise one day.
really? can you like prove that to me, like die and raise yourself on the 3rd day? , hmmm can anyone? NO? no body can you say except Jesus
I think Ill stick to Jesus Truth, Hes proven it and no one else Has
Unless the scriptures of old were not written directly via a Master of Wisdom, or they have been misinterpreted and tampered with, or additional doctrines were created that contradicted the scriptures,
this old arguement of scripture has already been proven wrong.
then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received.
so natural man can receive divinity uh ,,,, according to self,
wow
With that said, however, many of the Biblical scriptures were written in such a way so that only those with eyes to see and ears to listen could understand them.
first you say , The words are ready to be received, and then you say nope only Thouse who have eyes and ears,
and you see no contradiction in your beliefs???????????????
. The truth lies within and not so much in the dead letter
you call them dead, God says his word is Alive and Active and that All that is written will come to pass,
Notice God does not depend on what we believe about his word but only that IT WILL
. Words can only point a way to the truth
yet Jesus was the word made Flesh then pointed to Himself as to Truth, I am THE TRUTH , notice the singularty.
, it takes the understanding and wisdom of reader to vision the real truth between the words.
and your New Age beliefe has the understanding? and orthodoxy got it all wrong the last 2000 yrs.
thats why you wont go to church as you mentioned upthread because your Truth and the truth of the Christian Church are oppsite
clearly 2 contradictive truths, one is wrong , one is correct. Ill place my bet on the Ressurection , He has proven it, mans thinking simply
has not
Neo
Posted on: 04/19/2014 18:24
truth is always relative to our capacity to receive it. Always
untill the physical ressurection, " I am the way the truth and the life" one of many of Christ Truth Claims & I Am's
I agree. Humanity is about to experience a great revelation, an awakening as dramatic as when we as individuals awake from a deep sleep. We will, for first time in history, become aware of the Human Soul and our individual place within that Soul. And we will find the Christ at the centre of the circle of Humanity, standing next to God, our Father Who orbits in the heavens.
Only one suffering from the illusion of glamour would think otherwise. If you believe that you've found the ultimate Truth, and have no need to expand on that truth, then, my friend, you are in for a big surprise one day.
really? can you like prove that to me, like die and raise yourself on the 3rd day? , hmmm can anyone? NO? no body can you say except Jesus...
Can I prove to you that you will one day expand in your awareness? Of course not, my job isn't to prove anything to you. But I can remind you that the Bible says that only the meek will inherit the Earth. Humility should be one of the hallmarks of human evolution.
this old arguement of scripture has already been proven wrong.
Right, I won't mention Mark 16 9-20 then.
Btw, I've read that much of the New Testament was "constructed" with great liberty as to words and content. The four Gospels were written "according" to the original authors. Only the Gospel of John is closest to being original.
then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received.
so natural man can receive divinity uh ,,,, according to self,
wow
Ahhh ...hmmm..yea. Isn't that what Heaven on Earth is all about? But it's not according to "self", it's according to "Self". Do you see the differences? This is one if the "secrets of the mysteries" if you do.
...then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received...with that said, however, many of the Biblical scriptures were written in such a way so that only those with eyes to see and ears to listen could understand them.
first you say , The words are ready to be received, and then you say nope only Thouse who have eyes and ears,
and you see no contradiction in your beliefs???????????????
No, I don't see a contradiction. The key is in the words "ready to be received". You cannot put new wine into old bottles, to use a biblical metaphor. We need to change direction in our motives, and in our goals. By giving up, we gain; by kneeling we rise. This is "getting ready". Maitreya says the fastest way we can prepare ourselves is by perfecting our "temples", our physical, mental and spiritual bodies. And we do this by practising, in everything we do, honesty of mind, sincerity of spirit and detachment.
. The truth lies within and not so much in the dead letter
you call them dead, God says his word is Alive and Active and that All that is written will come to pass,
So you figure that this is just "The Bible" they are talking about here? As if the book itself was some kind of talisman or something?
yet Jesus was the word made Flesh then pointed to Himself as to Truth, I am THE TRUTH , notice the singularty.
Yes I did, I like it. As far as us regular folks are concerned, the Christ is the Truth. There is no greater goal for us than to be Christ Conscious.
, it takes the understanding and wisdom of reader to vision the real truth between the words.
and your New Age beliefe has the understanding? and orthodoxy got it all wrong the last 2000 yrs.
Look, I didn't make this stuff up, just as you didn't write any of the Bible.
Every new age is built upon the previous age. 2,000 years ago people were saying the same thing about new teachings of Jesus. Today, the ancient wisdom, once reserved for monks and holy men, is now public domain. Only this time it's the crystallization of Christianity (and other religions) that's breaking down, preparing for the new wine.