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An Easter Message

The year was 1945 when the Tibetan Master Djwhal Khul passed this message to Alice Bailey. The words seem just as relevent today as they did then.

the Tibetan wrote:
Easter Day 1945


On this day, we recall to our minds the fact of Resurrection—a universal and eternally recurring resurrection. I would like to talk with you anent the Christ, about His work as head of the Hierarchy, and about the rebuilding which humanity must undertake and which the Hierarchy is seeking to impulse at this time. A great period of reconstruction is planned. Here are the two words around which I wish to create my theme: Resurrection and Reconstruction. It will be a reconstruction implemented by Those Who know the meaning of resurrection, and it will involve a resurrection of humanity through the medium of its intelligentsia and men and women of goodwill. These two groups (the Hierarchy and Humanity) will need to be brought into a closer rapport, and this is entirely possible if the followers of the Christ realise their opportunity and shoulder their responsibilities. I would point out that when I use the phrase "followers of the Christ" I refer to all those who love their fellowmen, irrespective of creed or religion. Only upon this basic premise can a hopeful future be founded.

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An Easter Message, continued ...

The Tibetan wrote:
I do not care whether or not those who read my words accept the occult teaching of a spiritual and planetary Hierarchy over which the Christ presides, or whether they think in terms of Christ and His disciples. The essential recognition for which I plead is that this great group of spiritual Individuals, Who receive so general a recognition throughout the world and in all the great religions, should be regarded as active. The Christian view of the Christ is built upon that which He enacted for us two thousand years ago and through which He symbolically indicated to us the way which all aspirants must go. It portrays a picture of a waiting, quiescent Christ, living in some vague and far away heaven, "resting on His laurels" and practically doing nothing very much until such time as the sons of men of every race and creed acclaim Him as Saviour; this they must do both as individuals and as representing the organised Christian Church. It is a picture of a listening, observing Christ, animated by pity and compassion, but Who has done all He could and now waits for us to do our part; it is also a picture of One Who waits to see what humanity, as a whole, will accept theologically. In the mind of the narrow, fundamentalist theologian, Christ is seen as presiding over a peaceful place called Heaven, into which the elect are welcomed; He is also seen as consigning all who remain aware of their own spiritual integrity and responsibility, who refuse to be gathered into organised churches or who go idly or wickedly through life, to some vague place of eternal punishment. To this vast multitude (probably the majority) His love and compassion apparently do not reach, and His heart remains untouched. It appears that He cares not whether they suffer eternally or attain complete annihilation.

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An Easter Message, continued ...

The Tibetan wrote:
Resurrection is the keynote of nature; death is not. Death is only the ante-chamber of resurrection. Resurrection is the clue to the world of meaning, and is the fundamental theme of all the world religions—past, present and the future. Resurrection of the spirit in man, in all forms, in all kingdoms, is the objective of the entire evolutionary process and this involves liberation from materialism and selfishness. In that resurrection, evolution and death are only preparatory and familiar stages. The note and message sounded by the Christ when last on Earth was resurrection, but so morbid has been mankind and so enveloped in glamour and illusion, that His death has been permitted to sidestep understanding; consequently, for centuries, the emphasis has been laid upon death, and only on Easter Day or in the cemeteries is the resurrection acclaimed. This must change. It is not helpful to a progressive understanding of the eternal verities to have this condition perpetuated. The Hierarchy is today dedicated to bringing about this change and thus altering the approach of mankind to the world of the unseen and to the spiritual realities.

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An Easter Message, continued ...

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Before, however, They could do anything, our present civilisation had to die. During the coming century, the meaning of the resurrection will be unfolded and the new age will reveal its true significance. The first step will be the emergence of humanity from the death of its civilisation, of its old ideas and modes of living, the relinquishing of its materialistic goals and its damning selfishness, and its moving into the clear light of the resurrection life. I am not here speaking in symbolical or mystical terms. I am dealing with facts—facts as real and as imminent as the coming Cycle of Conferences, and facts for which the past two hundred years have prepared humanity. This preparation has culminated in the restlessness of the twentieth century and has led to the horror of this world war, 1914-1945 through which we have been passing.

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Speaking symbolically, the first step after the advent of the spirit of the resurrection will be similar to that in the Biblical story. Mary, that woman of sorrow, of experience and of aspiration, stands (as ever in the symbolism of the world) as the symbol of materialism. Humanity must say with her, "They have taken away my Lord and I know not where they have laid Him." But—she said it to the Lord Himself, not recognising Him and realising only her own deep need and despair. So must it be again. Humanity—materialistic, suffering, facing the future with despair and agony, but still aspiring—must go forth from the cave of matter, seeking the Christ and at first not recognising Him or the work that He is attempting to do. The churches—materialistic, hide-bound and submerged in their theological concepts, seeking political power or possessions, emphasising stone buildings and cathedrals whilst neglecting "the Temple of God, not made with hands, eternal in the heavens"—are occupied with the symbols and not with the reality. Now they must learn to recognise that the Lord is not with them and they too must go forth, as Mary did, and seek Him anew. If they will do so, they will surely find Him and again become His messengers.

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If churches had sermons like the above I would definitely go to church more often.

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there has to be some theosophist/rosy cross/thelemic/buddhist/zen/UU kinda group that would whet your  whistle somewhere in the gvrd?

 

(if they could channel Bruno Gerussi, I'd so be there...)

 

and when i first read your op's title i went 'mmm, massage...the sekrit master jesus can  massage both internally and externally...'

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InannaWhimsey wrote:

there has to be some theosophist/rosy cross/thelemic/buddhist/zen/UU kinda group that would whet your  whistle somewhere in the gvrd?

 


Maybe something up Mandala's alley would suit me well.

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(if they could channel Bruno Gerussi, I'd so be there...)

 

and when i first read your op's title i went 'mmm, massage...the sekrit master jesus can  massage both internally and externally...'


An Easter Massage... hmmm Inanna, where is your mind at..


Not sure if Bruno Gerussi would be available, but Nick Adonidas' boat, the Persephony, is parked downtown. Maybe if I went and sat in it for a while.

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Neo wrote:
InannaWhimsey wrote:

there has to be some theosophist/rosy cross/thelemic/buddhist/zen/UU kinda group that would whet your  whistle somewhere in the gvrd?

 

Maybe something up Mandala's alley would suit me well.
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(if they could channel Bruno Gerussi, I'd so be there...)

 

and when i first read your op's title i went 'mmm, massage...the sekrit master jesus can  massage both internally and externally...'

An Easter Massage... hmmm Inanna, where is your mind at..
Not sure if Bruno Gerussi would be available, but Nick Adonidas' boat, the Persephony, is parked downtown. Maybe if I went and sat in it for a while.
I think Relic was the diamond in the rough on the Beachcombers.

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Its a wonderful Easter message yes.

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We see resurrection in all aspects of nature Stardust because nature is cyclic in its expression. The death of one season is the birth of the next, and so on and so on. Energy, which cannot be created or destroyed, simply moves on to its next form when the old one has run its course.

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Like....!

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Diamon din the ruagh is the khe ... it is said there is a difference between demons and dai mons that makes eM whorld's away ... sort of fugal in fortee!

 

However some people don't read sekret messages this deep ...

 

They don't got no respect for abstract hues/hooze so-cat-ache or Socrates as a well-knitted tube ... some dis emmanation required as prescience ... while of the Ammaz'n wa ... A'maeus in de groupai?

 

What's a groupai but a Big Fish ...

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Neo wrote:
We see resurrection in all aspects of nature Stardust because nature is cyclic in its expression. The death of one season is the birth of the next, and so on and so on. Energy, which cannot be created or destroyed, simply moves on to its next form when the old one has run its course.

 

Nicely said, Neo. 

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Mendalla wrote:

Neo wrote:
We see resurrection in all aspects of nature Stardust because nature is cyclic in its expression. The death of one season is the birth of the next, and so on and so on. Energy, which cannot be created or destroyed, simply moves on to its next form when the old one has run its course.

 

Nicely said, Neo. 

 

Not sure that I would call this resurrection. Isn't the resurrection more of an anomoly? Unique? Just asking.

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In the Christian tradition, waterfall, Jesus' resurrection is seen as unique though a prelude to our own Resurrection. However, resurrection myths do exist in other traditions and do, indeed, tie in to what Neo says. Some of us go the extra step of seeing the Christian Resurrection in the light of that tradition. If you like, "The Resurrection" as an event is unique as it involves a specific event in a specific life but "resurrection" as an idea is a concept that transcends any specific tradition.

 

Mendalla

 

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Now to me Mendalla, when applied to nature and other Gods it is used as metaphor but with Christ it is the reality.    :)

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Waterfall, while I don't disagree that the resurrection story of Christ in itself is unique, the basis of this story had been told several times throughout history.
Krishna, for instance, reported to be the eighth incarnation of the God Vishnu (the 2nd Aspect of the Hindu trinity of God), was said to be meditating under a tree when a hunter mistook him for a deer and shot him in the ankle. They burned his body but it was not destroyed. Krishna then ascended into Heaven with His newly resurrected body.


See also the myths Osiris and Persephone, for example. While these were just myths, their story tells the same tale: Life after the lower cycle of life and death is possible, if we follow the steps of righteousness and perfection. Otherwise we are bound to the wheel of birth and rebirth, over and over again.

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Neo wrote:
Waterfall, while I don't disagree that the resurrection story of Christ in itself is unique, the basis of this story had been told several times throughout history. Krishna, for instance, reported to be the eighth incarnation of the God Vishnu (the 2nd Aspect of the Hindu trinity of God), was said to be meditating under a tree when a hunter mistook him for a deer and shot him in the ankle. They burned his body but it was not destroyed. Krishna then ascended into Heaven with His newly resurrected body.
See also the myths Osiris and Persephone, for example. While these were just myths, their story tells the same tale: Life after the lower cycle of life and death is possible, if we follow the steps of righteousness and perfection. Otherwise we are bound to the wheel of birth and rebirth, over and over again.

 

I see a big difference in Christ's resurrection. It is done. No need to keep being reborn over and over again.. Our sins are forgiven. Finished!

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If it is finished why are we asked to "pick up the cross" then? Why is Christ waiting to save everyone?

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Neo wrote:
If it is finished why are we asked to "pick up the cross" then? Why is Christ waiting to save everyone?

 

To give them that message.

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So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

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Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

Our eyes need to be opened.

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waterfall wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

Our eyes need to be opened.

 

amen waterfall 

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Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

blind devotion?

no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach, 

what you believe Neo is not of God 

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blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

blind devotion?

no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach, 

what you believe Neo is not of God 

 

Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.

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waterfall wrote:

blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

blind devotion?

no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach, 

what you believe Neo is not of God 

 

Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.


This is the same party line as Airclean and Unsafe, 'if you don't believe as we do then you don't believe in God'. It's just party line rhetoric.

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Neo wrote:

Energy, which cannot be created or destroyed, simply moves on to its next form when the old one has run its course.

 

A process called Transformation.

 

Easter, to me, is a celebration of transformation.

 

 

 

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waterfall wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

Our eyes need to be opened.


Sorry to belabour this point Waterfall, but this seems to be one of the biggest criticisms of orthodox Christianity these days. Is believing and devotion the only things necessary to "opening our eyes". Would it not make more sense that "walking the path" and "picking up the cross" means that we are meant to do the same as the man Jesus did, way back when? Were we asked to "be perfect", presumably in our physical being, i.e. in our body, our mind and our spirit, by bringing it in-line with the God within? Is this this not the true meaning of "atonement"? Christianity uses Christ as a scapegoat to forgive all our sins, like we did when we sacrificed rams and bulls in early times. Picking up the cross means to bear the load of sin on our own shoulders and walk the same path of renunciation (of our lower personality) as Jesus did. Why is this simple message lost in theology and dogma?

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waterfall wrote:

blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

blind devotion?

no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach, 

what you believe Neo is not of God 

 

Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.

i know hes sincere of what he belives, its still not of God 

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Neo wrote:
waterfall wrote:

blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

blind devotion?

no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach, 

what you believe Neo is not of God 

 

Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.

This is the same party line as Airclean and Unsafe, 'if you don't believe as we do then you don't believe in God'. It's just party line rhetoric.

I did not say you do not believe in God Neo, what I said was, what you believe about God, or the afterlife if you will, is not of God 

 

big diffrence 

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"i know hes sincere of what he belives, its still not of God"

 

That's just roundabout rumour sometimes called isolated opinion (IOs?) yet those who hold that opinion get really pissed at strange conceptions ... why the Romans killed JeSu ... they didn't like alien things either ... especially if wrote up in Hebrew and not Latin ... alien logos are like that ... at conflict! 

 

Deviant opinions are cause for war ... especially those that don't give a damn about the piece of Christ that small share of enlightment which they go b'ithchii about ... and then deny such spirits of character in ... God made me do it ! And any opinion of the iilluminatii is out to lunch ... san witched as a medium all humbacked and knocked over, or up ...

 

Isn't that just the devil in justification of gods? Especially if rammed up your booti ---John Nash!

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blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
waterfall wrote:

blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

blind devotion?

no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach, 

what you believe Neo is not of God 

 

Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.

This is the same party line as Airclean and Unsafe, 'if you don't believe as we do then you don't believe in God'. It's just party line rhetoric.

I did not say you do not believe in God Neo, what I said was, what you believe about God, or the afterlife if you will, is not of God 

 

big diffrence 


There is no difference when you say that what you believe is "of God" and what I believe is "not of God".


I'm just thankful that I live in an age where the Church is not judge and jury regarding people's beliefs.


"Christ, you know it ain't easy
You know how hard it can be
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me
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- John Lennon

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If it is not of God but outside, beyond god is this the hommoe of the larger daimon?

 

Some success Christians won't like the sound of that in their competion ...

 

Is the church crazi? Only half as they married Christ and heis off somewhere looking for god ... an intellect searching for a lost love? What a pilgrimage that'll be ... or is that becoming chaos?

 

Eventualy we'll (weal) get over it ... as food for psyche that thing out-there ... as common weal eL th' ... one should tap into it by means of a tube or tunnel ...

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Neo wrote:
blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
waterfall wrote:

blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
So we or they can do what with it? Is spreading the good news equivalent to "picking up the cross"? Is Christ simply looking for blind devotion on our part?

 

blind devotion?

no we have Gods Spirit to guide and teach, 

what you believe Neo is not of God 

 

Now this is where I think Christians run into trouble sometimes. We say things like this and it turns people off. Neo is sincere in his belief and is sharing that. Blackbelt, I think we can only say what we believe.

This is the same party line as Airclean and Unsafe, 'if you don't believe as we do then you don't believe in God'. It's just party line rhetoric.

I did not say you do not believe in God Neo, what I said was, what you believe about God, or the afterlife if you will, is not of God 

 

big diffrence 

There is no difference when you say that what you believe is "of God" and what I believe is "not of God".

 

sure there is, unless God teaches confusion 

 

 

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Blackbelt wrote:

sure there is, unless God teaches confusion 

 

 


God doesn't teach confusion, it's always our ability to grasp the greater truth that's at hand.

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A disciple once asked the Buddha if God was real and the Buddha answered him, saying "how can you expect to know God when you don't know yourself?"


In other words, by knowing our own selves, "the truth within", we are given the pattern by which God can be comprehended. Books like the Bible or writings like the above, from the Master DK, are only "sign posts" to the truth. Our ability to glean the truth from these teachings is directly proportional to the understanding and communication we have with our "inner" Self, the God within. You can lead a horse to water or you can cast pearls to the swine, but in the end it is "us", you, me and everyone else, who have want to learn and aspire to see.


Nothing, even salvation to the elect, is given for free. We always must take the first step towards God. Even if that step is one of humility and self resignation, it's still an act that is played out by us, personalities of the Soul.

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Neo wrote:
Blackbelt wrote:

sure there is, unless God teaches confusion 

 

 

God doesn't teach confusion, it's always our ability to grasp the greater truth that's at hand.

 

well who needs God then to teach  truth, 

 

aparently Pilot did 

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blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
Blackbelt wrote:

sure there is, unless God teaches confusion 

 

 

God doesn't teach confusion, it's always our ability to grasp the greater truth that's at hand.

 

well who needs God then to teach  truth, 

 

aparently Pilot did 


We all need the truth, but our ability to fathom it is always "relative". God has always borne witness through the God-aware teachers and messengers of the world. Pilot, on the other hand, cared more about keeping his hands clean than he did the truth.

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Is God confusion? Ever look into the eis of a person in love? That's de Isis ... as they role. Good to be voyageristic about (prescient)  if well-observed function ... perhaps some wisdom will be onyxed to yer sole, a bottom line thingy!

 

It's like there's nothing there! Perhaps why they say don't go overboard with love ... some common sense is of major assistance ... isolated men like Jacob on the farce ID or jordan wrestled with this ... Shadow Angels or Ave Eris (old word for dissonance leading to a mental storm) Some people don't believe in mental things ... so how'd they know? Too much avarice may leave you feeling you can control everything (that's Gods truth as warped by mortals)!

 

Some find it a good dimension to leave behind as life is too much like san paper ... all that crap and nothing to clean you's elf on ... I can hardly wait for the call ... some say it is like a bump in the night ... a dimple in imaginary space? Wholly gos Tis ... whipping about like nut'n ...

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Am I fulla chit? Sure am for that is all I've been told  about 85-95% of the time in the Suite ness of church/kirk or what some Laplanders call au savage as pious people are usually good at skinning innocent people alive.

 

Now innocence is peddled (pede) by authority if you've ever heard them in the error of getting caught at IT! Some Karyn is catagorical and then sympathé kicks in as a Big Way ... converting to empathy for the whole thing ... god in another perspective ... but you can't teach this to stics set in their way ... learning is abba'd ... rite! Especially if you don't learn about ferrous toxin, knowing irony will chi cell (soma)  a stone and thus that bit about selling yourself for that pearly drop betwixt yere weirs ... sort of a Nus for intellectual sorts ... the conception of hard soma's  stones ... singing san?

 

There's piles of eiM where Lawrence went to study Arabs ... what he saw made him go home to die in aversion to what the western world was doing to the Middle Eastern ... Asia Minors ... gritty situations ... alas but free genres ... until westerners corrupted them over kohl OILs ... what some will prostitute their thoughts over ... the numbing of the Grecian Urn ... Classically Jared ... wisdom is sealed up from dis place ... something requiring a leap to get out of ... thus the bumps! Some just don't got nuff impulse ...

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Neo wrote:
blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:
Blackbelt wrote:

sure there is, unless God teaches confusion 

 

 

God doesn't teach confusion, it's always our ability to grasp the greater truth that's at hand.

 

well who needs God then to teach  truth, 

 

aparently Pilot did 

We all need the truth, but our ability to fathom it is always "relative". God has always borne witness through the God-aware teachers and messengers of the world.

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according to my God, His truth is not the same as your truth , im glad you agree that your truth is relative or subjective, because my Gods Truth is completly objective of man kind, thus the Ressurection . and we know that Truth does not contradict itself, otherwise, its not truth. your belief is contratictive to Christanity so, either God teaches 1) confusion, 2) is a lier or 3) is telling and showing the truth and relativism  has got it wrong 

 

thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth" 

 

 

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"thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth""

 

Wasn't Pilot the representative of god on earth ... Caesar?

 

Something seems gyred up here ... is that cranked or screwed as the Roman's intended in the first place unde heiros gamma ... the common people shouldn't know (how we're screwing them)!

 

If one doesn't question and ponder ... perhaps you'd miss that and thus the wisdom was lost as a talent ... fools kohl'd? 

 

Is such outside wisdom often denied in church under the Genesis Law on Knowledge? Thus the illustration of the stuck Christian ... plainly stumped ...

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Hi Neo-- You posted---

"Christ, you know it ain't easy
You know how hard it can be
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me
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- John Lennon

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Airclean-- Wasn"t he a follower of Buddha?

 

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Hi Neo--You posted--

A disciple once asked the Buddha if God was real and the Buddha answered him, saying "how can you expect to know God when you don't know yourself?"
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Airclean--A  Disciple ask Christ Jesus a question . Some what the same. Show us GOD. Heres what The Lord Jesus Christ said. Somthing  no other could say..

 

 

   
  Jhn 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied."
  Jhn 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

 

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blackbelt1961 wrote:

according to my God, His truth is not the same as your truth , im glad you agree that your truth is relative or subjective, because my Gods Truth is completly objective of man kind, thus the Ressurection . and we know that Truth does not contradict itself, otherwise, its not truth. your belief is contratictive to Christanity so, either God teaches 1) confusion, 2) is a lier or 3) is telling and showing the truth and relativism  has got it wrong 

 

thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth" 

 

 


According to "your interpretation" of God's teachings, your truth is not same as my truth. I'm good with that, it's what makes the world go 'round. But truth is always relative to our capacity to receive it. Always. And only one suffering from the illusion of glamour would think otherwise. If you believe that you've found the ultimate Truth, and have no need to expand on that truth, then, my friend, you are in for a big surprise one day.


Unless the scriptures of old were not written directly via a Master of Wisdom, or they have been misinterpreted and tampered with, or additional doctrines were created that contradicted the scriptures, then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received. With that said, however, many of the Biblical scriptures were written in such a way so that only those with eyes to see and ears to listen could understand them. They were not originally written as "lies" or untruths, buy they can appear as "confusions" to the eye of the beholder. The truth lies within and not so much in the dead letter. Words can only point a way to the truth, it takes the understanding and wisdom of reader to vision the real truth between the words.

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airclean33 wrote:

Hi Neo-- You posted---

"Christ, you know it ain't easy
You know how hard it can be
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me
"
- John Lennon

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Airclean-- Wasn"t he a follower of Buddha?

 


Ummmm... no.

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airclean33 wrote:

Hi Neo--You posted--

A disciple once asked the Buddha if God was real and the Buddha answered him, saying "how can you expect to know God when you don't know yourself?"
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Airclean--A  Disciple ask Christ Jesus a question . Some what the same. Show us GOD. Heres what The Lord Jesus Christ said. Somthing  no other could say..

 

 

   
  Jhn 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and we shall be satisfied."
  Jhn 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

 


And if our task is to become "at-one" with the Christ Consciousness within, then the answer would be the same, right?

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And if our task is to become "at-one" with the Christ Consciousness within, then the answer would be the same, right?

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Airclean-- If our Task is to become "at-one with the Christ?I am a Born again Neo , I am at one with Christ. I have GODS Holy Spirit to show me that. As such, I believe  now our job is to do what GOD saids and tells us to do,  well in flesh.It could be for some a lot, for others not so much. But no job is small for all is GODS will. None of this earns our way into Heaven . Jesus The Christ payed for that price for us.But I believe it pleases GOD to sett gifts aside in Heaven that awaits your coming home. Obay The LORD your GOD that you may please Him.  --airclean33

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Neo wrote:
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according to my God, His truth is not the same as your truth , im glad you agree that your truth is relative or subjective, because my Gods Truth is completly objective of man kind, thus the Ressurection . and we know that Truth does not contradict itself, otherwise, its not truth. your belief is contratictive to Christanity so, either God teaches 1) confusion, 2) is a lier or 3) is telling and showing the truth and relativism  has got it wrong 

 

thus Pilot's response, "what is Truth" 

 

 

According to "your interpretation" of God's teachings, your truth is not same as my truth.

correct, someone is in falsehood 

 

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I'm good with that, it's what makes the world go 'round. But truth is always relative to our capacity to receive it. Always 

 

 

untill the physical ressurection, " I am the way the truth and the life"  one of many of Christ Truth Claims & I Am's

 

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And only one suffering from the illusion of glamour would think otherwise. If you believe that you've found the ultimate Truth, and have no need to expand on that truth, then, my friend, you are in for a big surprise one day.

 

really? can you like prove that to me, like die and raise yourself on the 3rd day? , hmmm can anyone? NO? no body can you say except Jesus 

 

I think Ill stick to Jesus Truth, Hes proven it and no one else Has

 

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Unless the scriptures of old were not written directly via a Master of Wisdom, or they have been misinterpreted and tampered with, or additional doctrines were created that contradicted the scriptures,

 

this old arguement  of scripture has already been proven wrong. 

 

 

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then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received.

 

so natural man can receive divinity uh ,,,, according to self, 

 

wow

 

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With that said, however, many of the Biblical scriptures were written in such a way so that only those with eyes to see and ears to listen could understand them.

 

 

first you say  , The words are ready to be received, and then you say nope only Thouse who have eyes and ears, 

 

and you see no contradiction in your beliefs???????????????

 

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. The truth lies within and not so much in the dead letter

 

 

you call them dead, God says his word is Alive and Active and that All that is written will come to pass, 

Notice God does not depend on what we believe about his word but only that IT WILL 

 

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. Words can only point a way to the truth

 

 

yet Jesus was the word made Flesh then pointed to Himself as to Truth, I am THE TRUTH , notice the singularty. 

 

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, it takes the understanding and wisdom of reader to vision the real truth between the words.

 

and your New Age beliefe has the understanding? and orthodoxy got it all wrong the last 2000 yrs. 

 

thats why you wont go to church as you mentioned upthread because your Truth and the truth of the Christian Church are oppsite 

 

clearly 2 contradictive truths, one is wrong , one is correct. Ill place my bet on the Ressurection , He has proven it, mans thinking simply

 

has not 

 

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blackbelt1961 wrote:

Neo wrote:

truth is always relative to our capacity to receive it. Always 

 

untill the physical ressurection, " I am the way the truth and the life"  one of many of Christ Truth Claims & I Am's

I agree. Humanity is about to experience a great revelation, an awakening as dramatic as when we as individuals awake from a deep sleep. We will, for first time in history, become aware of the Human Soul and our individual place within that Soul. And we will find the Christ at the centre of the circle of Humanity, standing next to God, our Father Who orbits in the heavens.

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Only one suffering from the illusion of glamour would think otherwise. If you believe that you've found the ultimate Truth, and have no need to expand on that truth, then, my friend, you are in for a big surprise one day.

 

really? can you like prove that to me, like die and raise yourself on the 3rd day? , hmmm can anyone? NO? no body can you say except Jesus...

Can I prove to you that you will one day expand in your awareness? Of course not, my job isn't to prove anything to you. But I can remind you that the Bible says that only the meek will inherit the Earth. Humility should be one of the hallmarks of human evolution.

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Unless the scriptures of old were not written directly via a Master of Wisdom, or they have been misinterpreted and tampered with, or additional doctrines were created that contradicted the scriptures,

 

this old arguement  of scripture has already been proven wrong.


Right, I won't mention Mark 16 9-20 then.

 

Btw, I've read that much of the New Testament was "constructed" with great liberty as to words and content. The four Gospels were written "according" to the original authors. Only the Gospel of John is closest to being original.

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Neo wrote:

then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received.

 

so natural man can receive divinity uh ,,,, according to self, 

 

wow

Ahhh ...hmmm..yea. Isn't that what Heaven on Earth is all about? But it's not according to "self", it's according to "Self". Do you see the differences? This is one if the "secrets of the mysteries" if you do.

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...then the truth of the words should stand on their own, ready to be received...with that said, however, many of the Biblical scriptures were written in such a way so that only those with eyes to see and ears to listen could understand them.

 

 

first you say  , The words are ready to be received, and then you say nope only Thouse who have eyes and ears, 

 

and you see no contradiction in your beliefs???????????????

 

No, I don't see a contradiction. The key is in the words "ready to be received". You cannot put new wine into old bottles, to use a biblical metaphor. We need to change direction in our motives, and in our goals. By giving up, we gain; by kneeling we rise. This is "getting ready". Maitreya says the fastest way we can prepare ourselves is by perfecting our "temples", our physical, mental and spiritual bodies. And we do this by practising, in everything we do, honesty of mind, sincerity of spirit and detachment.

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Neo wrote:

. The truth lies within and not so much in the dead letter

 

 

you call them dead, God says his word is Alive and Active and that All that is written will come to pass, 

So you figure that this is just "The Bible" they are talking about here? As if the book itself was some kind of talisman or something?

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Words can only point a way to the truth

 

yet Jesus was the word made Flesh then pointed to Himself as to Truth, I am THE TRUTH , notice the singularty.

Yes I did, I like it. As far as us regular folks are concerned, the Christ is the Truth. There is no greater goal for us than to be Christ Conscious.

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, it takes the understanding and wisdom of reader to vision the real truth between the words.

and your New Age beliefe has the understanding? and orthodoxy got it all wrong the last 2000 yrs.


Look, I didn't make this stuff up, just as you didn't write any of the Bible.

 

Every new age is built upon the previous age. 2,000 years ago people were saying the same thing about new teachings of Jesus. Today, the ancient wisdom, once reserved for monks and holy men, is now public domain. Only this time it's the crystallization of Christianity (and other religions) that's breaking down, preparing for the new wine.

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