What happens when we Praise and Thank God for all He has done for us in the past --in the present and what He will do for us in the future ----
It is easy to Praise and give thanks when all is going well in our lives ---It is much harder to Praise and says Thanks when we face trials and hardship in our lives --
Praise and Thanksgiving can have a powerful effect on our lives and situations when we do it with a good heart -----
These are my thoughts on this
Praise and thanksgiving keeps us humble ---It abounds us in faith as we realize that it is not by our own efforts that we have been given His Grace that makes us strong in our weakness ---When we are giving Praise and Thanks we are focused on God not ourselves and our problem ----God then is able to open the door to help us in our trouble as when we focus on ourselves it allows Satan access and God is shut out --we have closed Him off by selfishness and pride ----
New International Version (NIV)
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,(A)continue to live your lives in him, 7 rooted(B) and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught,(C) and overflowing with thankfulness.
Praise builds us up Spiritually and keeps us from crumbling ----when Paul and Silas were in captivity it was their Prasing the released God's power that caused an earthquake and broke them out of captivity----
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
25 But about midnight (A)Paul and Silas were praying and(B)singing hymns of praise to God, and the prisoners were listening to them; 26 and suddenly (C)there came a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison house were shaken; and immediately (D)all the doors were opened and everyone’s (E)chains were unfastened.
Praise is a strong weapon against Satan ----Praise is strenght ---In These 2 scripture one says praise and one says strength
American Standard Version (ASV)
15 But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children that were crying in the temple and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were moved with indignation,
16 and said unto him, Hearest thou what these are saying? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea: did ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou has perfected praise?
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Praise and Thanksgiving are both Powerful and Wonderful to execute and should be a part of our daily walk with our Father in Heaven in my opinion ----
Your thoughts on Praise and Thanksgiving
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chansen
Posted on: 11/30/2013 16:06
What happens when we Praise and Thank God for all He has done for us in the past --in the present and what He will do for us in the future ----
Nothing. Zip. Closer to the truth, if you do that, you're simply thanking yourself for being unbelievably pious.
Thank the people who help you, in big and small ways. Build up people. Building up an imaginary friend is just you thanking and congratulating yourself.
unsafe
Posted on: 11/30/2013 20:16
David was a master at Praising and Thanking God ----David offered Praise in his victory and found victory in his Praise ----
God filled David with His word of truth and power when David spoke to God in praise and gave thanks ---David went into his battles with a heart that knew God and praised Him and he walked off the battlefield a conqueror ----David had his faults but Loved God and through the praise and thanks he constantly gave to God --God was open to accept him and help him in his trials ---
As followers of Jesus we would do well to follow David's ways in giving Praise and Thanks to God in our daily lives ----
This Psalm is a great scripture for giving Praise and Thanks ---
Psalm 100
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Psalm 100
A Psalm of thanksgiving and for the thank offering.
1 Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all you lands!
2 Serve the Lord with gladness! Come before His presence with singing!
3 Know (perceive, recognize, and understand with approval) that the Lord is God! It is He Who has made us, not we ourselves [and we are His]! We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.(A)
4 Enter into His gates with thanksgiving and a thank offering and into His courts with praise! Be thankful and say so to Him, bless and affectionately praise His name!
5 For the Lord is good; His mercy and loving-kindness are everlasting, His faithfulness and truth endure to all generations.
Peace to all
unsafe
Posted on: 12/01/2013 08:12
Why is it we expect God to be there for us when trouble comes in our personal lives or we expect God to stop all suffering in this world when we humans don't have a minute a day to give to God ----we go to church once a week and then go about our own lives ---complaining and murmuring about everything that happens to us ---
Philippians 2:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
We Humans expect God to be in the forefront when we ourselves push Him to the back of everything that goes on in this world ----We don't honor Him we like to honor ourselves ----many --many Churches don't rely on God they rely on committees ---to delegate where funds go ---when to hold functions ---etc God is never consulted ---all human driven ----God has been taken out of His Church ---Schools ---workplace etc and then we want to know why God allows His Churches to fail ---why we have businesses failing ---why violence runs ramped in the schools and malls etc.
We all know who is in charge of this world and it is not God --the only way to get God involved in this world is by invitation through prayer by His word which is truth ---We have no one to blame except ourselves for the shape this world is in --It is a mess ----
John 4:24
King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Peace
unsafe
Posted on: 12/01/2013 11:27
Ever heard a Psalm song before ----here is Joseph Prince singing a Psalm of David Psalm 34 --- it happens at the 6 mim 18 second mark on the video ---
dreamerman
Posted on: 12/01/2013 23:20
Ever heard a Psalm song before ----here is Joseph Prince singing a Psalm of David Psalm 34 --- it happens at the 6 mim 18 second mark on the video ---
unsafe
Posted on: 12/02/2013 07:54
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
dreamerman
Posted on: 12/02/2013 08:37
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
RitaTG
Posted on: 12/02/2013 09:39
dreamerman ....... well said!
Regards
Rita
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 12/02/2013 12:06
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
Amen, well said unsafe. Many people like to think that there is a third way - neutral secularism, but actually there is not. That too is following the dark side.
redbaron338
Posted on: 12/02/2013 12:21
Ah. I get it now.
So the real function of 'spiritual warfare', and, by extension, (certain styles of) Christianity, is to divide the world into good and evil, in and out, winners and losers, with no in-between, no grey areas, nothing but clear cut differentiation.
That might work well in Inspector Gadget cartoons, or thw old Lone Ranger western TV series. The carbon- based, space-and-time-bound world seems to work much differently that that.
Kenneth Copeland recently said that 'real Christians' would never suffer from PTSD. Ergo, of one suffers from PTSD one canNOT be a 'real Christian'. I, for one, have the temerity to disagree with Mr. Copeland. Life isn't so simple as that.
Neither, for that matter, is Christan faith.
RitaTG
Posted on: 12/02/2013 14:00
...it seems to me that lately that the more vocal "evangelical christian" elements are very much obsessed with everything being a war. Its a war or this and a war on that.
I do wonder why that is......
Rather than being thankful for the religious freedom that we enjoy in North America and showing that by mutual respect of other faiths instead they moan and wail about not being allowed to impose their ways on society. That becomes a so called war on religious freedom. War .... war .... war ..... they look for war everywhere...
What if they gave a war and nobody came? Would they be thankful???
I choose not to attend their war .
Hugs
Rita
chansen
Posted on: 12/02/2013 14:04
...it seems to me that lately that the more vocal "evangelical christian" elements are very much obsessed with everything being a war. Its a war or this and a war on that.
I do wonder why that is......
They aren't getting their own way. They're losing in the courts on all fronts. They're losing elections in the States. They're losing followers, and their own kids.
It's a war because they're losing. And it's a war becaus they're scared.
airclean33
Posted on: 12/02/2013 15:03
...it seems to me that lately that the more vocal "evangelical christian" elements are very much obsessed with everything being a war. Its a war or this and a war on that.
I do wonder why that is......
Rather than being thankful for the religious freedom that we enjoy in North America and showing that by mutual respect of other faiths instead they moan and wail about not being allowed to impose their ways on society. That becomes a so called war on religious freedom. War .... war .... war ..... they look for war everywhere...
What if they gave a war and nobody came? Would they be thankful???
I choose not to attend their war .
Hugs
Rita
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Ephesians 6:12
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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Or are your saying because you live in North America which has freedam of Religen. Because thats were you live. You don't care about the rest of the world? By the way it seems the rest of the world don't have freedam because of those who you think we should be friends with. So lets see, the Moslems say if your not bowing to Allaha . You should have your head cut off. Is this one of the faiths you like? --airclean33
airclean33
Posted on: 12/02/2013 15:40
...it seems to me that lately that the more vocal "evangelical christian" elements are very much obsessed with everything being a war. Its a war or this and a war on that.
I do wonder why that is......
They aren't getting their own way. They're losing in the courts on all fronts. They're losing elections in the States. They're losing followers, and their own kids.
It's a war because they're losing. And it's a war becaus they're scared.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/02/2013 15:41
All this from a book inspired by pure desire ... and not a clue ... as knowledge of right and wrong is eliminated by god and blindness ...
What does love do in a pure form? Screws up thought! You can bet thought wins out in the end .. hermenuenetic ... it just follows ! And no doubt love gets you in deep waters ... where you could be lost ...
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/02/2013 15:42
A person should have some excellence of wisdom in these matters or you'll repeat the same old errors ... alas that appears not to be the way ...
chansen
Posted on: 12/02/2013 16:36
...it seems to me that lately that the more vocal "evangelical christian" elements are very much obsessed with everything being a war. Its a war or this and a war on that.
I do wonder why that is......
They aren't getting their own way. They're losing in the courts on all fronts. They're losing elections in the States. They're losing followers, and their own kids.
It's a war because they're losing. And it's a war becaus they're scared.
I think your the one thats scared chansen. Christains are worreyed not scared, about our friends and family that have not accepted Christ Jesus yet. The Christains I know understand it is there choise not to. We who know GOD also know the time we are in. We know the thinks that will happen . Almost every time you post you point to these things.You there by are showing us even more how close we are. Keep this in mind chansen. It may help you in days to come.May this day go well with you.--airclean33
Your threats don't work any more, airclean. They have no power. They're empty and pathetic.
Used to be, people left you alone. But would you believe, that the people you marginalized for all those years are actually talking back to you?!? The nerve!
This is a bed of Christianity's own making. Christians finally pissed off enough atheists that we're actually doing some organizing, and pushing back. Well, us and the gays, whose bedrooms you can't stop fantasizing about.
I'm not scared, airclean. I think even most of the Christians here can sense that. It's Christianity that's in a tail spin, not atheism. It doesn't look like a war when you're trouncing the other side, and Christians rarely used war imagery 20 years ago or more. Now that public opinion and court cases have swung against Christianity and its pet causes of anti-sexuality and anti-intellectualism, suddenly everything is a war. The crazy thing is that the liberal Christians are also paying a heavy price for what the more dogmatic Christians have mostly caused.
I still think the word "war" is hyperbole, but if we have to use it, I'm extremely encouraged that the ideas you espouse are the ones being crushed.
RitaTG
Posted on: 12/02/2013 16:50
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Ephesians 6:12
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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Or are your saying because you live in North America which has freedam of Religen. Because thats were you live. You don't care about the rest of the world? By the way it seems the rest of the world don't have freedam because of those who you think we should be friends with. So lets see, the Moslems say if your not bowing to Allaha . You should have your head cut off. Is this one of the faiths you like? --airclean33
airclean ... LOL .... I can count on you to find a way of taking what I clearly expressed waaaaaaay out of context .
Really .... you are way off base in so many ways..... Them darn pesky "Moslems"
Yep ...off to war you go! ..... Don Quixote style ........
Actually .... as a Christian.... I find that there is much more to contend against in what passses itself off as christianity.....
Regards
Rita
revjohn
Posted on: 12/02/2013 16:51
Hi unsafe,
What happens when we Praise and Thank God for all He has done for us in the past --in the present and what He will do for us in the future
What happens when we thank anyone?
First and foremost we admit that we needed some help and we acknowledge that we have been given some help. We recognize the effort of some other and attach a value to that effort.
It is easy to Praise and give thanks when all is going well in our lives ---It is much harder to Praise and says Thanks when we face trials and hardship in our lives --
I think that depends. If the praise and thanks is out of proportion or appears out of proportion to the help given then it becomes difficult. If we value the assistance we have received it is easy to give thanks, if we don't value the assistance we have recieved it becomes difficult to be thankful.
Praise and Thanksgiving can have a powerful effect on our lives and situations when we do it with a good heart
How does one praise or give thanks from a bad one?
When we are giving Praise and Thanks we are focused on God not ourselves and our problem ----God then is able to open the door to help us in our trouble
This posits praise and thanksgiving in a give to get relationship. Praise and thanksgiving become the token economy employed to coerce God into delivering the goods we desire.
I would hope that praise and thanksgiving are more about what we give to others than it is about what we hope to get for ourselves.
as when we focus on ourselves it allows Satan access and God is shut out --we have closed Him off by selfishness and pride
Which is why praise and thanksgiving need to be more about the help we have recieved than a hope to receive.
I thank others for the help that they have given. I do not thank others hoping to get some help.
And, if the person I am thanking has helped graciously then it is likely that they will offer assistance in the future should I need it rather than sitting around with bruised feelings that I didn't thank them in the past so there is no way they will help me in the future.
In matters of faith I think the same holds true. I thank God for what God has done and for what God has promised to do in the future. I place a value on God's assistance in the past and I place a value on the help I will get in the future.
I certainly don't calculate how much praise or thanksgiving I have to deliver to God in order to get a super huge blessing in return. Nor do I worry that I have not thanked or praised God enough and therefore his favour and blessings will dry up. Any consideration of either is me considering how I can use God to my advantage rather than giving God what is due.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 12/02/2013 17:48
I'm not scared, airclean. I think even most of the Christians here can sense that. It's Christianity that's in a tail spin, not atheism.
Christianity is the fastest-growing religion in the world. True, it's losing ground in North America and western Europe, but look toward Latin America, Africa, and Asia. In a tail spin? Hardly.
chansen
Posted on: 12/02/2013 17:54
Give their kids time and an education.
airclean33
Posted on: 12/02/2013 18:03
Hi Rev John-- You posted--
When we are giving Praise and Thanks we are focused on God not ourselves and our problem ----God then is able to open the door to help us in our trouble
This posits praise and thanksgiving in a give to get relationship. Praise and thanksgiving become the token economy employed to coerce God into delivering the goods we desire.
I would hope that praise and thanksgiving are more about what we give to others than it is about what we hope to get for ourselves.
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airclean---I Thank God for every meal I have John. I don't think you mean I'm trying to coerce God into giveing me my next one do you John? I know there are many in the world who may have no food. I am not happy God has not given them any.I am thankful He has seen fit. To have allowed me and my family to have food.I don't even mind praying that God may do something to help those who will hunger this day or other days. I feel John it could be that we are to ask GOD to have mercey . Even on those who don't believe. We as Christains have an order I believe to do just that. For GOD is listing to those who walk in the light . As Jesus said ask anything in my name. Could be John just mayby GOD is waiting for us or longing for us to ask in prayer. what we dream about , Like peace and food for all . A place were we can walk . With out pain or any sickness. Would that be Coerceing God ? Or would we really be walking His way?--God Bless .--airclean33
revjohn
Posted on: 12/02/2013 18:42
Hi airclean33,
I Thank God for every meal I have John. I don't think you mean I'm trying to coerce God into giveing me my next one do you John?
Do you think that the meals will cease if you forget to praise God and thank him for those meals?
I know there are many in the world who may have no food. I am not happy God has not given them any.
How much have you given them? James 2: 15-17 applies does it not?
I don't even mind praying that God may do something to help those who will hunger this day or other days.
You probably want to think about rewording that statement. It unfortunately suggests that you find praying for others something of a disturbance. I hope that is not the case.
I feel John it could be that we are to ask GOD to have mercey .
Or maybe it could be that we are to ask God how we can pitch in?
Even on those who don't believe.
I hope that you aren't suggesting that this is the reason why they don't have enough food to eat.
We as Christains have an order I believe to do just that.
Again James 2: 15-17 seems very applicable. Perhaps that is just me.
For GOD is listing to those who walk in the light .
Walking in the light not just talking about it right?
As Jesus said ask anything in my name. Could be John just mayby GOD is waiting for us or longing for us to ask in prayer.
Possibly. It might also be that in the part of the world that is turning obesity into an epidemic God would rather us get up and do something about the lack of food elsewhere other than just praying about it.
Would that be Coerceing God ? Or would we really be walking His way?
If we only offer the prayers because of what we believe we get for offering them then we are attempting to coerce God. I'm mindful of the three about to be thrown into the flames. They believed God would still be God even if they died in the firey furnace. They didn't believe God could only be God if they were saved from it.
If our prayers are the only action we can manage in the face of human suffering something is clearly wrong. Especially when it is more likely that we will wake in the middle of the night with a stomach too sore from eating rather than lie awake all night with a stomach too sore from not having anything to eat.
James 2: 16 really resonates here.
Grace and peace to you.
John
dreamerman
Posted on: 12/02/2013 19:28
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
unsafe
Posted on: 12/02/2013 19:35
Hi revjohn your quote I would hope that praise and thanksgiving are more about what we give to others than it is about what we hope to get for ourselves.
Sorry to disappoint you revjohn it is all about God and glorifying Him not us ---He works His Blessings on Praise and Thanksgiving -- Jesus fed 5,000 by giving Thanks ---What did Jesus do with the fish dinner --He raised it up and Gave Thanks and fed 5,000 with His Thanks --better read the scripture revjohn --
----if you think you are all that and don't need to give thanks and praise God so you can enter his gate then that is up to you revjohn ---- ---Praise and Thanksgiving to God is powerful stuff ---- it is for our benifit to become spiritually mature revjohn ---Enter His Gate with Thanksgiving --it opens God up to us ---- It freed David and Silas from prision ----so they could do God's work ---It is for you to Glorify Him ---
Psalm 100
King James Version (KJV)
4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
5 For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.
Psalm 50:23
Amplified Bible (AMP)
23 He who brings an offering of praise and thanksgiving honors and glorifies Me; and he who orders his way aright [who prepares the way that I may show him], to him I will demonstrate the salvation of God.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 23. - Whose offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I show the salvation of God. As the wicked have their parting warning, so the godly have their parting encouragement. God is "glorified" (see ver. 15) by those who offer him praise from a sincere heart; and if a man will lay down for himself a straight path and pursue it, God will "show him his salvation;' i.e. will bring him to peace and blessedness.
You can think what you like revjohn ---I think different is all ---- And revjohn it wards off Satan big time ----Satan hates Praise and Thanksgiving -----
Grace and Peace to you revjohn
airclean33
Posted on: 12/03/2013 10:51
Hi Rev John --I believe John you may mistake Brethren in The book of James to me it is Those who walk with Christ Jesus. If you look at James 2:1 you see who james is talking to . It is not the world even those he calls neighbor are of the Brethren. This is a mistake I see happening offten. When I was talked of food for all .( I ment the whole world as well) . James is taking only to Israel.As far a those in the world who don't have enough food goes. I believe only GOD knows why this is. You have said one should go out and feed the world . Do you believe you know the mind of GOD? Do you understand what He wants done? If I felt that is what GOD is calling me to do . Then I would do so. But John if we are truly followers of Christ Jesus. Do you not think we should look at how He did it. We see Him feeding 5.ooo with 3 fish and two loaves of bread I believe. This for sure seems to be The Hand of GOD. Did Jesus not say He only dose what the Father tells Him? again All The Glory Is GODS. Here also we can learn . Jesus did not feed every one who hungered in Israel . But only those who were with Him at this time.To me this is more of GODS plan of action His plan, not mine His will, not mine.We must pray we must ask . We will be lead in the way of The LORD. Through prayer and praise into the power of GOD.God Bless--airclean33
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 12/02/2013 20:12
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
I meant secularism, which some people see as being neither good nor bad. However, yeah, okay, I guess secular humanism is the correct term for it. I have frends who do not believe exactly as I do - and unsafe and I do not have exactly the same faith - but I still consider them faithful followers of Christ.
unsafe
Posted on: 12/02/2013 21:52
Hi revjohn
Just to clarify James-- 2:16 ---Has nothing to do with Thanksgiving or Praise ---it is all about putting your Faith into action ---Praise and Thanksgiving builds Faith ---we have to put the Faith into action ourselves ---This is James 2 --14-16 --- Faith without works is dead revjohn ----
James 2:14-16
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
We Show Our Faith by What We Do
14 My brothers and sisters, what good does it do if someone claims to have faith but doesn't do any good things? Can this kind of faith save him? 15 Suppose a believer, whether a man or a woman, needs clothes or food 16 and one of you tells that person, “God be with you! Stay warm, and make sure you eat enough.” If you don’t provide for that person’s physical needs, what good does it do
This is what Thanksgiving does revjohn ---gives you God's Peace---You might think this is selfish ---it says present your request to God ----But revjohn when your request is granted God gets the Glory ---It will always Glorify God in the end not us revjohn ----if it glorifies us it is not from God but the God of this world ----
Philippians 4:6-7
New International Version (NIV)
6 Do not be anxious about anything,(A) but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.(B) 7 And the peace of God,(C) which transcends all understanding,(D) will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Grace and Peace to you revjohn
dreamerman
Posted on: 12/03/2013 09:10
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
I meant secularism, which some people see as being neither good nor bad. However, yeah, okay, I guess secular humanism is the correct term for it. I have frends who do not believe exactly as I do - and unsafe and I do not have exactly the same faith - but I still consider them faithful followers of Christ.
waterfall
Posted on: 12/03/2013 10:19
What about those who identify as Christian but don't believe in Jesus as saviour and God. The same people that believe that there are other ways to be part of god and that jesus is but one way and not the only way. Are they still Christian in your mind Jae?
How can someone identify as a Christian without believing that Christ died for our sins on the cross?
chansen
Posted on: 12/03/2013 10:23
The same way that someone can be a Trekkie without believing that William Shatner is a Starfleet captain.
John Wilson
Posted on: 12/03/2013 10:32
Moslems say if your not bowing to Allaha . You should have your head cut off. Is this one of the faiths you like? --airclean33
Tsk tsk.
My neighbor, a Muslem, performs more good deeds than most people I know.
Christian history -- burning at the stake, wars...nothing to be proud of.
I opionate that one should be for your religion...but not against others.
there are it is said 20,000 different brands of Christianity....
I respect and admire your 'brand' even though I am a Bishop Spong follower
anethema to many here...
I also like Taoism, Buddism, Hans Kung. 7 limbs of Yoga, many aspects of hinduism ...and on and on --- an 'expert' in none.
One of these days they will all be tied together and humans will live being all that they can be
Stay well and happy m'friend...
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/03/2013 10:47
What! William Shatner is a false prophet?
What does that profit in the metaphor ... other than allowing a surpressed but not sacrificed light ... like intellect in an emotional clan?
Such is the nature of sublime light ... sort of like bioluminescence ... subterranean glow. A light at the end of the chit tube we're in when so many religions hate their siblings ... all over the battle to believe in something they really don't know ... like everything (g_d in short, or Gaugon ... Gaw'q'in)? That could bring on a lear from those that see things from a different perspective ... angle or angel of reflexive nature .. and the stoic was warped ... becoming a Shadhowed angle in the hermeneutic of light ... and logically the Shadows follows (eclipse) thus the dark thought to those that flare (phore; in Classic tongues)! What's a meta phor? A measure of that which we don't know in depth ... a wide open field for examination or inquisition of a gentile nature ... meme brain theory? Same thing said differently to amuse alien Oz's (hidden powers)!
That character may not wish to be examined if emotional probing has been in excess ... and thus the soul became closed in rest ... like knowledge of past in an emotionally present case ... nuite/newt case? Hard and dark ... close to ammonite in metaphorical value when found high in the limestone hills/isles ... clam lass in the highlands? Mole's que ...
John Wilson
Posted on: 12/03/2013 10:54
Rev John:
James 2: 16 really resonates here.
Yes!
Had to look it up...but I had it underlnied...
Courteous good will and harmonny to you.
revjohn
Posted on: 12/03/2013 11:02
Hi unsafe,
Sorry to disappoint you revjohn it is all about God and glorifying Him not us
Which is what I expressed as my hope for praise and thanksgiving.
My praising God is me giving God praise. I praise God for what God has done and for what God has promised to do. I do not praise God so that he owes me something.
My offering thanks to God is me thanking God. I thank God for what God has done and for what God has promised to do. I do not thank God so that he owes me something.
better read the scripture revjohn
I am quite aware that you operate under the belief that I do not now, nor have I ever read scripture.
if you think you are all that
All that what?
and don't need to give thanks and praise God so you can enter his gate then that is up to you
See this is the give and get relationship that I flat-out reject. I praise God and thank God for who God is not for what God might give if I do a good job praising and thanking.
And this takes us back to the unconditional election thread. I am saved by God's sovereign choice and not because of any personal merit. You here state that God's salvation is conditional
it is for our benifit to become spiritually mature revjohn
You'll get no argument from me on that. One sign of maturity is that we focus less on what we get for what we give.
Satan hates Praise and Thanksgiving
Unless Satan is the one being praised and thanked.
Grace and peace to you.
John
John Wilson
Posted on: 12/03/2013 11:16
How can someone identify as a Christian without believing that Christ died for our sins on the cross?
I dont think he actually voluntered, and the more I think about it the less "He died for our sins" makes any sense at all...He lived so that we could become more human and died
because he would not change his teachings, which probably were considered an affront to
Julius. Since evolution has come the existence of Adam and Eve becomes metaphorical
at best.
I identify 'as a Christian' because I believe that Jesus lived, and taught profoundly. I don't expect others to consider me a Christian....or care really.
airclean33
Posted on: 12/03/2013 11:25
Moslems say if your not bowing to Allaha . You should have your head cut off. Is this one of the faiths you like? --airclean33
Tsk tsk.
My neighbor, a Muslem, performs more good deeds than most people I know.
Christian history -- burning at the stake, wars...nothing to be proud of.
I opionate that one should be for your religion...but not against others.
there are it is said 20,000 different brands of Christianity....
I respect and admire your 'brand' even though I am a Bishop Spong follower
anethema to many here...
I also like Taoism, Buddism, Hans Kung. 7 limbs of Yoga, many aspects of hinduism ...and on and on --- an 'expert' in none.
One of these days they will all be tied together and humans will live being all that they can be
Stay well and happy m'friend...
revjohn
Posted on: 12/03/2013 11:39
Hi airclean33
I believe John you may mistake Brethren in The book of James to me it is Those who walk with Christ Jesus.
Lets test that premise then.
If you look at James 2:1 you see who james is talking to . It is not the world even those he calls neighbor are of the Brethren.
So you contend then that when James states "believers in our Lord Jesus Christ must not show favouritism" that what James really meant to say was that believers in our Lord Jesus Christ must not show favouritism among other Christians but favouritism of Christians is allowed over non-Christians.
Is that what you believe?
So when you read James 2: 15-16 you read, "When another Christian is without clothes or daily food. If one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?" You understand James is saying you should feed and clothe the Christian but, if the hungry and naked person in front of you is not a Christian they get nothing but well wishes?
Is that what you believe?
Christians should feed and clothe hungry and naked Christans only all other naked and hungry people should be ignored. Is this what you really believe? Is this what you really believe James is teaching?
So James is not trying to discourage favouritism he is actually encouraging it?
Do you believe you know the mind of GOD?
The whole of it? No. Nor have I ever claimed to. If you know the mind of God better than I do show me my error.
Do you understand what He wants done?
Love mercy, do justly, walk humbly. Love my neighbour as myself. Care for the widow and the orphan. There is other stuff. Nowhere on the list that I have, yours may be different, is ignore those you disagree with, even while they are dieing.
If I felt that is what GOD is calling me to do . Then I would do so.
Fair enough. Only starving Christian children are worthy of food. Everybody else's kid can die.
But John if we are truly followers of Christ Jesus. Do you not think we should look at how He did it.
So you and I can sit on our increasingly fatter asses watching the world starve waiting for a miracle. And if one doesn't come we can maintain our comfort telling ourselves that if only these starving millions had given thanks to God they would have been fed.
Obviously the miracle has to be something more than you and I getting off of our fat asses and sharing our abundance however slight that abundance might be.
We see Him feeding 5.ooo with 3 fish and two loaves of bread I believe.
And this is the only way the followers of Jesus can feed others? Miraculously? We shouldn't take any kind of instruction from Isaiah 58?
Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter--when you see the naked to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
Are you going to tell me that this is more of the same kind of favouritism? That Isaiah doesn't mean any who are hungry or naked just some select hungry and naked?
Jesus did not feed every one who hungered in Israel . But only those who were with Him at this time.
True. And Jesus was not about taking bread from the children and throwing it to the dogs. Though Jesus didn't begrudge the dogs the scraps that fell from the table. You don't appear to be as generous as the Lord you claim to follow.
To me this is more of GODS plan of action His plan, not mine His will, not mine.
So the starving non-Christian children are part of God's plan to accomplish what?
In the TULIP threads aren't you one of the voices critical of me for suggesting God's salvation does not respect human will? That God doesn't force anyone to be saved. And now you have God dangling a carrot in front of starving children. Praise me and I'll feed you?
I truly hope you are not suggesting that this is God's plan
We will be lead in the way of The LORD.
Hopefully that way is the way of feeding our neighours instead of simply wishing them well.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 12/03/2013 11:50
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
I meant secularism, which some people see as being neither good nor bad. However, yeah, okay, I guess secular humanism is the correct term for it. I have frends who do not believe exactly as I do - and unsafe and I do not have exactly the same faith - but I still consider them faithful followers of Christ.
I don't believe such individuals to be Christians. Do you?
waterfall
Posted on: 12/03/2013 12:01
How can someone identify as a Christian without believing that Christ died for our sins on the cross?
I dont think he actually voluntered, and the more I think about it the less "He died for our sins" makes any sense at all...He lived so that we could become more human and died
because he would not change his teachings, which probably were considered an affront to
Julius. Since evolution has come the existence of Adam and Eve becomes metaphorical
at best.
I identify 'as a Christian' because I believe that Jesus lived, and taught profoundly. I don't expect others to consider me a Christian....or care really.
Others have taught profoundly also, heck even Richard Dawkens likes Jesus.
http://www.rationalresponders.com/atheists_for_jesus_a_richard_dawkins_e...
Can we be Christians with only half the message that leaves off salvation?
chansen
Posted on: 12/03/2013 13:10
If some people do, that doesn't bother me one bit. I may be in the minority of atheists and anti-theists here, but if you simply like the stories of Jesus, and declare yourself a fan without believing they actually happened, I don't care if you call yourself a Christian. Maybe I should, but I just can't bring myself to care.
dreamerman
Posted on: 12/03/2013 18:40
dreamerman
God is on TV and the net ----But then so is Satan ----if your not following one then you follow the other ----your choice -----that is what warfare is all about-- drawing one into their side ---you only have 2 sides ----good and evil ----your choice to follow who you want ----Period ----
I meant secularism, which some people see as being neither good nor bad. However, yeah, okay, I guess secular humanism is the correct term for it. I have frends who do not believe exactly as I do - and unsafe and I do not have exactly the same faith - but I still consider them faithful followers of Christ.
dreamerman
Posted on: 12/03/2013 18:49
What about those who identify as Christian but don't believe in Jesus as saviour and God. The same people that believe that there are other ways to be part of god and that jesus is but one way and not the only way. Are they still Christian in your mind Jae?
How can someone identify as a Christian without believing that Christ died for our sins on the cross?
airclean33
Posted on: 12/03/2013 19:13
Hi Rev John-- You posted--
We see Him feeding 5.ooo with 3 fish and two loaves of bread I believe.
And this is the only way the followers of Jesus can feed others? Miraculously? We shouldn't take any kind of instruction from Isaiah 58?
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Airclean-- Once more John who is Isaiah talking to? 58:1---
Here again it is only the jews He was talking to.. You understand if they walked out and ask to feed the other 10 Tribes they would have been killed . As they were at war.Or they could have gone to those camped on there borders . Oh yes again they would have been killed.So what dose GOD say.--
Yes John GOD willfeed them.--God Bless --airclean33
airclean33
Posted on: 12/03/2013 19:19
Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter--when you see the naked to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
Are you going to tell me that this is more of the same kind of favouritism? That Isaiah doesn't mean any who are hungry or naked just some select hungry and naked?
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Airclean-- I just did.
airclean33
Posted on: 12/03/2013 19:28
Rev John--Post----
Jesus did not feed every one who hungered in Israel . But only those who were with Him at this time.
True. And Jesus was not about taking bread from the children and throwing it to the dogs. Though Jesus didn't begrudge the dogs the scraps that fell from the table. You don't appear to be as generous as the Lord you claim to follow.
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Airclean ---How you see things John I can't change.That you believe I'm not generous is your thoughts . I don't think you know me well enought to say that, but find you have a right to put forth you thoughts.-- God Bless--- airclean33
airclean33
Posted on: 12/03/2013 19:47
Hi John--
To me this is more of GODS plan of action His plan, not mine His will, not mine.
So the starving non-Christian children are part of God's plan to accomplish what?
In the TULIP threads aren't you one of the voices critical of me for suggesting God's salvation does not respect human will? That God doesn't force anyone to be saved. And now you have God dangling a carrot in front of starving children. Praise me and I'll feed you?
I truly hope you are not suggesting that this is God's plan
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Airclean--Up top John you may note I said I don't know GODS mind so as to know why He's doing something . I even ask you if you thought you did? Now you turn around and ask me again Why GOD Is Doing Somethink?Perhaps the question should be . Would GOD do something if these people were walking The path GOD comanded. Again though I can not say for sure . As GOD has not seen fit to tell me. I can read The book of John 3:16 though. You know John, GOD dose have a chosen people, and I don't mean Calvins. I mean Israel. God Bless--airclean33
airclean33
Posted on: 12/03/2013 20:14
Hi John---
We will be lead in the way of The LORD.
Hopefully that way is the way of feeding our neighours instead of simply wishing them well.
Grace and peace to you.
John
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Airclean-----Here with your last line . You show that you and I are not even on the same line. I don't work with the world John. Not that I won't help if some one ask me to do so or I see the need . The Kingdom I belong to is GODS under The Lord Jesus Christ. If called to them no mater were they are I will go and help. For they are part of the family of GOD. My Brothers and Sisters are being kill around the world every day.They are called Christains. I lison to GOD to tell me when to help. By the way John . A bornagain wishing someone well. May mean more than all the food I could give. Same as when I say God Bless You. I meanmay GOD help and take care of anythink you need. I told you about the 5.000 John. Jesus Just Blessed The food John . We Have a Great and wonderful GOD . Who wants to help. May GOD BLESS YOU and your house. -- airclean33
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 12/03/2013 20:46
Gods people are very chosen ...
All that are left .. the devil will do ... chi's the only one that will deal with daemos lowly critters that support reality of the other kind ... the subbtle support system for high rupts? ... gae Zues did you see that go bi ... another floating proposition ... hanging participle!
Could be the end to lite era Scie ...
In the last few weeks I understand handwriting was taken out of the schools as un necessary to communication due to reduced texting .... redaction?
Soon no one will be ableto understand nothing or nobody ... as word becomes defunct as an ideal, or God of connection ... a literal Tiye?
revjohn
Posted on: 12/04/2013 07:54
Hi airclean33,
Once more John who is Isaiah talking to? 58:1
Fair enough. You are operating under the principle that Christianity is an exclusive club and love of neighbour is limited to other members.
You get your milk from Christian cows owned by Christian farmers processed at a Christian dairy. A hungry Christian you will feed, a hungry non-Christian you will pass by. A naked Christian you will clothe, a naked non-Christian you will ignore.
Then you are going to tell that hungry and naked non-Christian how much Jesus loves them and they are going to ask if Jesus loves them as much as or more than you do.
"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
Your goatness is showing.
Grace and peace to you.
John