Is it a coincindence that Epiphany and Christmas Eve as celebrated by some cultures fall at the same time, or is there a deeper connection between the two?
BY the Julian Calendar Epiphany will be 12 days away. The coincidence is in the number of days "jumped" in the switch to teh Gregorian Calendar.
But there is a deep connection between Epiphany and Christmas, I tend to suspect that at one time Epiphany was the grand Culmination of the Christmas Season (January 5 is the 12th Day of Christmas)
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:03
Christmas begins on christmas day - the difference is the use of calendars - and ends with epiphany - like gord says 12 days. Epiphany then is the next season beginning this year for western churches, the 6 of Jan.
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:46
Probably just a result of sibling rivalry and a man made feast to boot.
chemgal
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:44
Thanks! I was explaining my family tradition of doing a smaller celebration on the 6th and someone made a comment about it being related to Epiphany. I didn't think the two were directly related, but wasn't 100% sure.
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:48
Greek Orthodox or Ukrainian Christmas as it is better know has no relation to the Latin epiphany although the eastern church does celebrate it on the 19th but for different reasons.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/02/2013 15:05
Different cultural beliefs could screw up the Lords Prayer Jack ... without some getting it together to see what it is really about!
Alas when you do something else will come of it ... birthplace of the emotions ... causes Gods of all sorts ...
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/02/2013 15:35
His kingdom come, is oft assumed to mean in correspondence with an existing one. What fools these mortals be.
Tabitha
Posted on: 01/02/2013 18:02
In Mexico the wisemen bring gifts on Jan 6-often clothes but occaionally something else-my original source received a bike once.
The wise men leave gifts at our house.
Some folks celebrate Saint Nicholas Day with the gift coming early in December.
seeler
Posted on: 01/03/2013 08:13
I would like to see Advent as a season of preparation - not just the shopping, cooking, decorating, but also the time of preparation of our souls and lives.
Then the celebration of Christmas would begin on Dec 25 (or the evening of the 24th) aand continue until Epiphany on January 6th. It could be a time of rest and recreation, or of gathering, visiting, parties and get-togethers, exchanging good wishes and small gifts, and a feast at the beginning (25th) and the end (Jan 6).
Unfortunately, people tend to do their celebrating throughout advent, and often on Christmas day, when it should be just beginning, I hear people say "Well, it's all over for another year". Even our churches are guilty when they refer to the first Sunday of Christmas as 'low Sunday'.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:23
Low Sunday? Black Shabbat, or shabbai in phonetic form ... hommoe-lyt-IHC? Mire hint of the aboriginal form ...
Sloe thinkers pude ID to write ...
chemgal
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:28
Seeler, what about those who celebrate Christmas Eve on January 6?
seeler
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:43
Chemgal - I'm not sure but I think that they do a lead in from the 25th - the 12 days of Christmas sort of thing, starting with a small gift on 25th, and opening one each day until the big day. Although I have heard of January 6th (my epiphany) refered to as little Christmas, or just Christmas, I don't think I"ve ever heard of the 5th being Christmas Eve.
chemgal
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:45
That's because the 6th is Christmas Eve ;)
chemgal
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:47
Epiphany would be on the 19th I believe. I've never celebrated it myself.
seeler
Posted on: 01/03/2013 12:57
Sorry Chemgal, I"ve never seen your calendar. The UCC calendar puts Epiphany on Jan. 6th. No special designation for Jan 5th except that it is the end of the Christmas season.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/03/2013 13:09
Isle consume a 5th over that ... 'iche!
I repeal my comment ... I'D be sic until Easter if I consumed all that spirit without thought ...
Like Elisha ... a Deist? Split persona as divine lye balanced! The emotioal would never figure onite ...
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/03/2013 14:03
seeler wrote:
Sorry Chemgal, I"ve never seen your calendar. The UCC calendar puts Epiphany on Jan. 6th. No special designation for Jan 5th except that it is the end of the Christmas season.
Julian calendar still used by eastern orthodox churches ... so on the Gregorian calendar the days would fall on Christmas Eve Jan 6th, Christmas 7th, new years 14th, Epiphany 19th
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/03/2013 13:55
J'esh that could screw up the best of time keepers ... beta'n Y2K!
Comments
chemgal
Posted on: 01/02/2013 02:16
Oops, my tag should have been January 6.
GordW
Posted on: 01/02/2013 12:57
BY the Julian Calendar Epiphany will be 12 days away. The coincidence is in the number of days "jumped" in the switch to teh Gregorian Calendar.
But there is a deep connection between Epiphany and Christmas, I tend to suspect that at one time Epiphany was the grand Culmination of the Christmas Season (January 5 is the 12th Day of Christmas)
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:03
Christmas begins on christmas day - the difference is the use of calendars - and ends with epiphany - like gord says 12 days. Epiphany then is the next season beginning this year for western churches, the 6 of Jan.
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:46
Probably just a result of sibling rivalry and a man made feast to boot.
chemgal
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:44
Thanks! I was explaining my family tradition of doing a smaller celebration on the 6th and someone made a comment about it being related to Epiphany. I didn't think the two were directly related, but wasn't 100% sure.
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/02/2013 13:48
Greek Orthodox or Ukrainian Christmas as it is better know has no relation to the Latin epiphany although the eastern church does celebrate it on the 19th but for different reasons.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/02/2013 15:05
Different cultural beliefs could screw up the Lords Prayer Jack ... without some getting it together to see what it is really about!
Alas when you do something else will come of it ... birthplace of the emotions ... causes Gods of all sorts ...
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/02/2013 15:35
His kingdom come, is oft assumed to mean in correspondence with an existing one. What fools these mortals be.
Tabitha
Posted on: 01/02/2013 18:02
In Mexico the wisemen bring gifts on Jan 6-often clothes but occaionally something else-my original source received a bike once.
The wise men leave gifts at our house.
Some folks celebrate Saint Nicholas Day with the gift coming early in December.
seeler
Posted on: 01/03/2013 08:13
I would like to see Advent as a season of preparation - not just the shopping, cooking, decorating, but also the time of preparation of our souls and lives.
Then the celebration of Christmas would begin on Dec 25 (or the evening of the 24th) aand continue until Epiphany on January 6th. It could be a time of rest and recreation, or of gathering, visiting, parties and get-togethers, exchanging good wishes and small gifts, and a feast at the beginning (25th) and the end (Jan 6).
Unfortunately, people tend to do their celebrating throughout advent, and often on Christmas day, when it should be just beginning, I hear people say "Well, it's all over for another year". Even our churches are guilty when they refer to the first Sunday of Christmas as 'low Sunday'.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:23
Low Sunday? Black Shabbat, or shabbai in phonetic form ... hommoe-lyt-IHC? Mire hint of the aboriginal form ...
Sloe thinkers pude ID to write ...
chemgal
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:28
Seeler, what about those who celebrate Christmas Eve on January 6?
seeler
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:43
Chemgal - I'm not sure but I think that they do a lead in from the 25th - the 12 days of Christmas sort of thing, starting with a small gift on 25th, and opening one each day until the big day. Although I have heard of January 6th (my epiphany) refered to as little Christmas, or just Christmas, I don't think I"ve ever heard of the 5th being Christmas Eve.
chemgal
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:45
That's because the 6th is Christmas Eve ;)
chemgal
Posted on: 01/03/2013 10:47
Epiphany would be on the 19th I believe. I've never celebrated it myself.
seeler
Posted on: 01/03/2013 12:57
Sorry Chemgal, I"ve never seen your calendar. The UCC calendar puts Epiphany on Jan. 6th. No special designation for Jan 5th except that it is the end of the Christmas season.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/03/2013 13:09
Isle consume a 5th over that ... 'iche!
I repeal my comment ... I'D be sic until Easter if I consumed all that spirit without thought ...
Like Elisha ... a Deist? Split persona as divine lye balanced! The emotioal would never figure onite ...
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/03/2013 14:03
Sorry Chemgal, I"ve never seen your calendar. The UCC calendar puts Epiphany on Jan. 6th. No special designation for Jan 5th except that it is the end of the Christmas season.
Julian calendar still used by eastern orthodox churches ... so on the Gregorian calendar the days would fall on Christmas Eve Jan 6th, Christmas 7th, new years 14th, Epiphany 19th
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/03/2013 13:55
J'esh that could screw up the best of time keepers ... beta'n Y2K!
chemgal
Posted on: 01/06/2013 16:33
Merry Christmas Everyone!
Is anyone else celebrating Christmas Eve today?
not4prophet
Posted on: 01/06/2013 17:31
Only as a heritage.