No tradition has been there forever. Most traditions were founded in antiquity, when superstition was common and knowledge scarce.

Moreover, most of us are of Celtic/Germanic origin. The foreign Mid-Eastern religion of Christianity was rudely forced on our Celtic and Germanic ancestors without due consideration of their tradition.

There is nothing stopping us from starting a new tradition anytime, and there is nothing stopping us from using any wisdom or all wisdoms of the traditional wisdom schools as the foundation for such a new tradition.

Godliness is creativeness, not imitativeness.

Tradition is for OUR benfit, not God's. It seems to be something we require as a species, in that it appears to fulfill a need we have at some level.

God does not appear to require it, but does appear to understand our need of it, and so indulges us.

I'd write something, but I don't have a clue what you're saying.  To borrow a line from the movie, Blazing Saddles (censored version, of course), "What the **** is that ****?"  Is there a reason you cloak it in nonsense rather than say it outright?  Actually, I see theology as a three-legged stool: Tradition, Reason, and Scripture (Dogma, depending on your sitz im leben.) Did I say I dispose of tradition without process?  I think you disposed of the English language without process.  English is only one of my languages, but I haven't the patience to decipher whatever that is.  I can even decipher most cryptograms without a pen or pencil, but what is this 'blip'?  Perhaps if you said what you wanted to say straight out, I could respond.  I don't respond to jibberish.  Tradition that serves a purpose is necessary.  Tradition for the sake of tradition should be evaluated.  Now, what the heck are you saying here, Big Buoy? En anglais, s'il vous plait. Watch out, or I'll get Greatest I Am to call you a fool. Then you'll REALLY be in trouble.

Well, if you insist on dragging my name into your thread without responding to me, I'll just report this thread and hopefully you can speak in terms that encourage discussion rather than some untalented writer trying to be funny.

(To Water person..)

And thanks for writing my post ---better than I could .

And the bible says that; "A man that follows God alone is a fool!" It leads to Deism an understanding Love ... that's more accomodating than a blind Love that is everything?

That's ominous to mortals that don't wish to know ... but in ancient tongues it is omi (all) nous (mind, sole, psyche) ...

Could a mortal put this all together or are they limited in such a spacey concept? Did creation know what was being done when Kos Moes Krater was made, m'n isolated ... out've nothing but a primal emotive? Is that stew PID ... in the 'hole truth ... some imagination required JiiMni Cryk ET ... we're up IT!

I'm challenging you on this, WaterBuoy, to give me a reference.  I declare the Bible does NOT say that, "A man that follows God alone is a fool!"  Please provide a reference otherwise, don't make up stuff just to add credibility to your sayings.  Where is it found?  A simple question requiring a simple answer.

No response, eh?  Get caught without a reference?  Ah, well, a little more jibberish should cover it up nicely.  Of course, you could try this one on for size:

What, you can't find it yourself?

Do an electronic search of a bible .. it's there ... perhaps you haven't advanced along the wah ...

It's mine to know and yours to find out ... IT'll stick to yah better then!

Am'n is not supposed to tell a truth I am told ... go figure! Passion is a sacred thing in this realm ... untaught?

No, WaterBuoy, I asked YOU for the reference since you made the 'quote'!  If you handed in a paper at college, and told the prof or instructor to look up the reference him/herself, you'd get marked down.  If a lawyer goes to court and provides a quote, and the judge asks the source, what will happen if the lawyer tells the judge to look it up himself?  Contempt of court!  You are in contempt of your own post.   Perhaps you haven't advanced to know the difference between saying and not citing.  IF it is a quote (which I doubt), did you quote it correctly, or within context?  It's yours to know and yours to find out. I've been through the Bible enough times to know that such a line is out of character to the content of scriptures.  Just to be safe, I 'google' it, checked concordances, etc. and, guess what, you're wrong!  Did you lie, or were you mistaken?  You can't find it yourself because I'll bet you a cup of Wondercofffee it isn't there. 

Oh but it is and in real life no one does nothing for free ... yah walk the lines all by yourself ... real men don't like aliens, strangers, we devils. I am just a figment to your imagination ... let it go at that!

Then, what did the good books say (in compound translations) about our attitude to the stranger? That's crazy man we should beat eM down into the pool--- Roman tradition: kick eM while they're down. That's mei bottom line ... humble reflection only: echo or Ego as shifting in words and phonetics. The institutionalized sort couldn't see through that ... could they ... like A' Haze Iah .. the myst following Ahab! Did you know "Ahab" is Love in biblical Hebrew ... tranlates differently in a spectrum of tongues required to understand it all ... that' infinite eh!

One just KISS's the edge they say, an OX in the BUSS principle ... monster in the house ... all curled up in the soul ... like warped, bent Light, IH§ ... IT's integral and the Romans wouldn't have that beyond their mortal state of God (as a man). Yet we still collow a Roam tradition of empire instead of co-operative empiric. What would you expect with hostile role models? Just look around yah! Did you know that Yah is an old Hebrew word for the hand of God, it's Jah in morphed forms, but you can do it Yah-wah ... definition of freedom of belief about how you revere (allal) the whole thing without fear, Fear is a physical God's weapon ... one must have some imagination to find it in all that thinking space. It's where Galileo found the concepts of the sky machine, Newton Gravity, Einstein the perceptions of relativity ... where it all works together ... except in the field of mankind ... where creation put all the battles that don't count! Isn't that a gathered odd thing ... G'D for short, mortals like it simple. So ID is just a point in vast space ... an ether in old tongues, phloegiston in another ... apin to say the least ... to those that didn't wish to dig up a sense of intellect ... evil to many religious perspectives .. thus the hostility until we get it all together! The whole thing seems to be patient ... without dimensions to cause angst ... virtuous Anon-existence (like a dark void on the page)?

It was suggested that things are different on the other side ... totally reciprocal once your aware ...À Don's a given light ... right after the darkest hour ... a simple sign? Go wah wit' yah!

WaterBuoy, I still find your thread offensive.  Have I ever started a thread about WaterBuoy and his nonsense?  But, if Admin doesn't have the balls to remove you, then you can sit here and stew in your own juice and talk to yourself in whatever childish jibberish you choose. Get a life.

Oh, OK, just to serve a crab ... Kan sear yah eh?

Try Mathew 16:26 in various translations and use your biblical Greek Dictionary to check on all the significant words like soul and earth. It is quite enlightening to see Kosmos as a mere pit in space (then Kos/Cos is an alternate state eh ... wisdom, Nathon, natrium, old salts in the lower tiers). Einstein said the same thing ... like earth and all the hard places were like dimples in the gravid field that surrounds them ... then modern neuroscience (of the mind/soul/psyche complex) say that the mind/intellect is all that is outside the bodean will! What's in a word, a name ... everything according to Shakespeare (considering all the alterations it is a good sign of God, sort of like omi-nous ... all absorbing, Pi-G? Bottom less hole in which to stuff things eh! Some have a blockage ... meme Brae'n ... like Plato's Cave ... depth of fear ... thus the Psychology of Power that allows them avoidance ... pure deluçean in time ... devilsh old crone eh!?

I am really careful about answering difficult questions from authorities in their field, for when you tell them the proper answer they usually get piscine mad (Ire'd) as if they lost a big one. Tell a royal Dummy the truth and you'll usually get your knuckles rapped. I worked with large accounts in the energy field and it was difficult to change anything for the best because all the administration was usually responsible for the errors ... so they assumed there was none (errors) and if you said there was a flaw in their plan ... well you just got IT from above ... the pathe' or pain of learning about dealing with Gods!

I lost several big clients over such process, and many of those clients no longer exist, by route of Lou Dobbs theory on the Exporting of America, selling the soul? Then my original employer doesn't exist either for the same reason ... they didn't know Peter Grace's business was in fair trade of knowledge. Then Petrè Grace is a given phe-art in some languages ... sort of a stink raised when people don't do things efficaciously instead of efficiently for the dollar (din Eire Time/coin/currency). That's doing it right instead of cheaply. There has to be another side of this story for somebody somewhere has to be laughing at all the mistakes in the human experiment of isolation (word derived from Maan, or Mann in old tongues) similar to mahaineim in the wilderness ... where Joie (Jae Gob) laid his head ... thats Sar in another expression ... something of awe in de void ... sometimes, if maqon Love is no longer immoral!

An aside: Do you know what a Celtic Gombeen is?

Are there Gods in 'elle? It seems so cause we seem to be in hell, where few know anything, just love it and learning is a pain, evil to say the least in a Roman world. Thank the Gods we'll be out of here some day and get into some clear thinking, and free of the nonsense of the illusion of unbounded desires. Just call me odd, crazy ... but not stupid ... I've gathered a lot of understanding about a wide field of word .. and word is God if the Good Book of Jaw'n is irrevokable ... twisted rope of truth hidden in the f'bre of the thing ... one needs af Id for loosening it up ...old sea mons trick!

The soul thing, did you know it is akin to the story and also the mind; you are, what you encouraged to be as you pass through the sectors of your own perspective ... on the story that is! Then the story must go on and how would we know that without a mind and the desires to do so? Isn't that a wild flip ... reversion ... reciprocation? One must know a lot of words in various sources to put this all together ... like a gathering of odd things ... infinite ... like G'D for short ... Bose Condensation in Einsteins realm ... A Black Hole? Well a Black Hole , a point in space is a way to give life to an old tired mind, something to spin about and stretch out into a thread of what was ... String theology .... and the song goes on as plucked out of the Good Book. The point is near nothing and love is nothing my grandfather told me .... thinking helps you get over the choch ovid aL!

Does a biblical authority, like a retired minister, know where to find that one in the Good Books? That's the story about the everlasting soul; it must be true because if you didn't have a mind to be a receiver of the story what would you be? Nothing but thought!

Then how would I know as a nothing from the fields of wilderness in Eastern Canada? It gives me ... ie Sous Complex, or IEsus Chaos, of knowing something that Roman Gods told me is illegal, immoral and un-ET-IC-aL (that's on tree of light, above) for common folk like me, Pagans. Then where did creation store most of the intelligence .... beyond the God's in myth ... sort of like blanket covenant because the physical Gods hate compassion and act like they hate everything. Even my mother acts like a vergen point of sorts .... then there was me to prove the difference in sects ... what separates out real people from real daemons. That's an interesting word to research too ... in your Hebrew/Greek Diction -Eire? Old Celtic word for sole space ... place to think and reflect on what you said our of Ire. That's like echo, or Ego in alien tongues, leads to a superior state lyon down in the earth ... lots of dirt to ponder eh? A thinking devil absorbs stuff from the Good Book just for the shiyr Joie provided ... it different for a professional. I try to share what I learn but do you know hard that is for a thinking devil in a world of Gods? Now that's an enigma ... an egge ma ... something to be cracked ... flawed in real life ... hatched out as an impossible thought in the empire of legend! But nun can unravel eM!

Hose the Wimp Eire ... he needs a drink! Lot of complaints about Anon-sense expressed!

WB said:

And the bible says that; "A man that follows God alone is a fool!"

and

Try Mathew 16:26 in various translations and use your biblical Greek Dictionary to check on all the significant words like soul and earth.

Still no cigar!   Matthew 16:26 says:

For what is a man profited if he shall gain the wole world, and lose his own soul? or or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Even checking with the original Greek, it still doesn't come close.  Maybe I"ll make up my own verses; let's see, oh yeah, "A man who makes up bible verses is a fool."  Your credibility has taken a severe downturn.  See ya.

God doesn't need tradition. I oppose tradition when people begin to use it as a norm. the Roman Catholic church relies on tradition and look what it has brought her. I nteh last 100 years, Protestants grew to 500-800 million and I think this grows has its roots in the fact that tradition is not an essential part of our beliefs.

What does tradition mean to God anyway?

I don't drink.  I can LIVE without it!  Can you?  If drinking is a tradition, I can dispose of it without process.  Can you?

Did IEsus like a bit of whine, subliminally now ... the real Light-IC was buried in a tome you know ... 

That being seemed to be a happy sort!

If a person loses their mind/soul/psyche ... would that leave them a fool? Sounds like a person deep in love ... they can't think ... then of course what is the tradition of God ... if IT still goes on and on like a word ... endless story?

If God is word and the corollary holds true ... how can an infinite people hate the word ple' ... such isolates us from whatever eh? Defining "A'm'n" as derived from mahaimeim, east of the Jordan. Either love or war will separate man from his senses ... in sects that'll bug eM! Cause man wished for God to go away ... leaving man without a care about thinking ... intellgence lost? Or is that just Par a deis?

Heh, Rev. ...

Did yah ever read a biography of Samuel Johnson and his findings about digging into a poel 've words when making his own dictionary ... he read a lot of dictionaries of alien languages to get where he was going and found a great deal of allegory, metaphor ... pure irony like Potapherous ... Joe Cephias left hand man ... just a remnant of the whole thing.

Do real people clutch to strings ... like lines of story without understanding? Un Rael eh!

Entanglement Theosophy ...so beit it ... the hook Ur ... the Arabic Lam ... a reciprocated question mark that some translate as meis God ... there's no end to IT and we just a mortal. Is there a solution ... a way out of enigma's (dark Eire)?

Is God amourphus like and open heart and mind beyond that fixedin a physical story?

Is that a far stretch for some ... thin space ... ethereal ... imaginary?

Do satyrs shimmer under the tree ... like Tamyr and Judah ... for a rightous man Judah seems to have lost his mind at this point in the infinite story!