Hi Unsafe-- very interesting vid. One of the best speakers I have heard on the gay side. I can never really understand why they need me, to accept what they believe . God judges all  things. You me and Gays.Matthew Vines  was right as far as God putting anything in His word that being Gay and acting on it was all right. God Bless--airclean33

unsafe ...... I am genuinely surprised in a very good way!

BRAVO!!!!! ...... wonderful!

unsafe ...... does this video express your beliefs regarding this topic?

Sincerely .... I would very much like to know.... (hoping here....)

I recommend the last 8 minutes for those that don't have time to listen to the whole thing.

airclean ..... you obviously didn't listen carefully ..... I suggest that you review the last 8 minutes again....

Actually relisten to the whole thing...... carefully.....

"They" ...... "they" ..... that takes away the identity and the life of the individual....

Make a person into a faceless "they" and you can say and do what you want with "them".

airclean .... do "we" need you to accept "us"? ...... no .....

Should you? ...... seems this video addresses that in detail.

It is persons with viewpoint like yours that HURT vulnerable persons like "us" and for no good reason.    There are persons .... young persons like "us" that have to sit in your churches ..... sit at your dinner tables .... relatives, friends, coworkers .... that you wound and punish by your attitudes.

Go ahead airclean ... determine what is right for you to do .....  I would suggest being careful to use just weights and the right weights....

Sincerely

Rita

 

unsafe,

 

what a well spoken young man. ty for pointing this out

 

 

thus the importance of laws, like in the USA & Canada, that protect their citizens from each other, so that no one can do violence against another or create a law that violates our soverign rights to live the life we each find ourselves living.  we can believe whatever crazy ideas we want to.  even pray to some mushrooms.

I just took over an hour to listen to this young man - excellent.  Time well spent.

 

-What you do RitaTG  is between you and GOD. I don't hate you for it .I too was a sinner an have come from sin to salvation.  I just am trying very hard to walk, as we were ment to. That is being in the will of GOD, and doing  what He says.  And this means every day of our life in flesh .  I have learnt in my walk it is not good to try and out think GOD. The Bible" is our Guide, The Holy Spirit is our teacher, Jesus  The Christ is our Savior, GOD our Father". Me I am just one who is walking through the valley of the shadow of death.--airclean33

Lets try and be clear and open airclean .... please.... 2 questions

Do you consider that being and living as a transgender person is a sin?

Do you consider that being and living as a gay person is a sin?

Please don't split hairs ..... I am sure you know the intent of the questions...

The tone of your last post seems to imply that being who I am and living it out as I do is sin.

An honest answer would be appreciated for clarity....

Regards

Rita

 

Hi RitataTG-- You would have that I Judge  you?  I read as I understand from the word of GOD His  Bible and as The Holy Spirit teaches me. In  the book  of Deuteronomy  22: 5 can you explain to me the meaning? Can you explain 1-Cor--11: 14. That I may also understand? Did you not read my posts were I said I don't want to make judgments?  Whatever the meaning I see   should  not bother you. For I am not your Judge. There is another who had these things  put in  His  book many years ago. That  you feel your ok with Him, should be your only worry. Because He is your Judge. --airclean33

 

This video was brought to my attention by a friend of mine who is a Born Again Christian who is  gay ----He wanted to know what I thought -------I was so impressed by the young man's ability to articulate so well what he was trying to get across and his belief in his message was with a heart felt conviction  that I decided to post it here on the cafe ----

 

It is not for me to judge anyone who pursues a lifestyle that they themselves believe in ---God will be the judge when we die ---we humans can tell ourselves that this is right ---and this is wrong but what does God say -----Incest is wrong in our culture --yet incest happened in the beginning as the only 2 people alive were Adam and Eve -----their offspring had to intermingle to reproduce -----

 

Anyone who accepts Christ as their Lord and Savior has the Holy Spirit indwelling in them and are under Grace -----and under Grace whether  we like it or not is not a sinner in God's sight ---Past Present and Future sins are erased -------it doesn't matter if you're the worst mass murderer in the world or you love someone of the same sex ----God's Grace is in place-- Period -----

 

The Old Testament was all ment for the Jews --so if your a Jew by birth then the 613 laws applied to you --Gentiles were never included in the Laws --the Gentiles were a lost race forever ---hell bound ----until Jesus came and payed the price for all man kind to be included in Salvation -----God included the Gentiles in His Grace to make the Jews Jealous so they would give up the laws that they couldn't keep ------they had to realize they needed a Savior -----

 

 

 

If you do not accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior it matters not what you do in this world ---you can have 100 wives ---be in love with who you want to ---etc --etc ---because now you go to hell for rejecting Jesus ----who can give you a clean slate and a second chance to be free from sin  and death.

 

All Sin has consequenses that affect our lives -----Grace gives us the ability to resist sin and our Love for God gives us the want to please Him   --which is to do what He wants us to do not what we want to do ourselves ------ God loves all His Human Creation it is us who have turned our Love Away from God .----

 

These are my thoughts on this --Peace

Wow isn't that PRECIOUS. You can be a mass murderer and all you have to do is accept jesus as you lord and saviour and all is forgiven but wait there is more you can keep sinning and you are still saved because Jesus gave you a get out of jail free card. Is that about the gist of it unsafe? Here is the best part that I find just priceless, you can be one of the most kind, considerate and generous person around but if you didn't accept Jesus well then you just purchased a one way ticket to hell.Okay unsafe you have me sold on this idea where do I sign up?

 

Hi dreamerman

 

If you have a problem with how God set Up His System ---then you will have to talk to God about it dreamerman ---I can't help you -----Period ---

 

Peace

I found and appreciated this, from a band called "Over The Rhine":

 

I have seen the slow corruption
Of the best ideas of Christ
In the pulpits of our nation
Gospel turned into white lies
If you preach a subtle hatred -
The bible as your alibi
Goddam you right here in Ohio

 

The song is called "All Over Ohio"

 

George

 

 

 

When I saw this video on Facebook, I thought of this thread.

 

very romantic moments

very cute reactions

children are our future

I have no problem with your god just like I have no problem with your pink unicorn. This is an open forum and I just thought I would put my two cents worth towards my observation of your perception of god. I am not looking for your help unsafe but I thought if you didn't want to engage in dialogue with me then you would just ignore me. Imho I think you enjoy any reactions to your topics whether they are positive or negative. This is why I think you come up with so many topics, you enjoy the attention which is alright because we all enjoy a little attention now and then. So in a way I am feeding your need for attention. Oh well I will try harder to refrain from doing so in the future but I make no promises. Period! Ps. this is your clue to put in your two cents airclean which you usually do when I post anything to unsafe. I know you won't disappoint me.

Nice veiled judgement and put off airclean ..... well done indeed.....

Thankfully Christians are moving away from your milk bottle theology and enjoying some meat.     Times are changing and christianity is starting to grow up here and there...

Regards

Rita

10 posts.

 

I was wondering how long it would take unsafe, with airclean's help, to mess up the goodwill stemming from the seemingly positive message in the video in the opening post.

 

It only took 10 posts. Well done.

 

thank you for a reply unsafe....

Again ... like airclean ... you dodge the question....

I would like to make this point.....

.......

What we are (LGBT) is not our lifestyle.    It is who we are in our core being.   It is how we were created.

How I choose to live out that truth in me is my lifestyle.   I can choose to live out that truth in good ways or in bad ways.   That is my lifestyle ..... how I live it out.

To deny and hide the truth about how God made me is to be ashamed of what God has created.    I choose to live openly and with dignity......

........

I do hope this helps you understand the difference.......

Denigrating who I am inside by passing it off as just a lifestyle is incredibly hurtful.

It is my sincere hope that persons such as you would find the courage to explore and test what I am telling you and learn the truth for yourselves.   You would then regard us much differently and acknowledge us for who we really are.

Regards

Rita

hello chansen ....... perhaps ...... but now we have another opportunity to discuss the "issue" with unsafe and airclean.    It was unsafe that brought it up so therefore there is interest and unsafe did point out how she was impressed by her friend and this video.

A starting point ....... always worth trying ...... just maybe there will be a little change.

I will focus on being positive and address the comments as directly and respectfully as I can.

Regards

Rita

RE: Gay Hug Video

Thank you Jae ....... very heartfelt..... and I appreciate it....

Would Jesus hug me???     I had that question....

Would he hug the "Rita" me??????

That is the sort of question we face.....

I know so many others that don't feel they belong ...... just like that one girl blessed herself before working up the courage to go beyond her revulsion and simply hug.

Blessed herself ....... as if the other person was too unclean to hug........

Judged ........ judged ..... unclean ...... ewwww .... don't want to hug.....

Now .... if christians as supposed to be "christ like" ...... and as I heard in church so many times ..... "to be his hands extended" ..... why is is so hard to simply give me a heartfelt hug?

Jae ...... I sense you would hug me ..... thanks.....

Regards

unsafe wrote "God included the Gentiles in his grace to make the Jews jealous"  hahaha - thanks for my morning chuckle!

--You are right RitaTG. I am dated" back to a lttle over two thousand years ago.I see todays movement an (I find it not to be of  the way)--airclean33

Oh Rita, hugs hugs and more hugs!

I thought of this song, I only wish it said sister, brother, mother, father, everyone within the world!

 

Hi RitaTG--I do appreciate you take time to explian your walk in life. I have heard another Gay person explain somewhat the same as you have. Can I then claim GOD made me a killer,  or a thief   or a person that should try and sleep with as many women as I can?  Has GOD sett bounds that I should control myself?Thou shell not Kill. But Lord I want to.   Wanting is not the sin, doing is. Thou shell not steal, But I want to take it, That is not the sin, taking it is.Thou shell not take of that tree, for the day you do you shell die.

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RitaTG-- Your last line.------ You would then regard us much differently and acknowledge us for who we really are.

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Airclean--I am also in the flesh RitaTG. There are things I must control. Some of which are hard. GOD is helping me an others to keep those controls on. We are not perfect, far from it. But really Jesus The Christ is , His arm is strong . It can hold me back from following my wants, and help us to lison to what His father tells us, what really is are needs and what is ok.I say this RitaTG  only so it won't be wasted on those who cannot recive. GOD BLESS, I Pray GOD helps you to understand us.  Airclean33 Gord.

Hi George,

Thanks for the gift! Even though it was delivered as a cheap shot. Immediately like the music.

They're a great band.

Thank you for saying that, RitaTG, but I doubt it. I'm not a huggy kind of guy.

Side hug?

 

 

What is that? That is a new term to me.

 

Hi Inukshuk  ---your quote  

 

Actually God says this not me ---I just quoted what God says in His word ---if you have a problem with God's word you will have to take it up with God not me -----you of course don't have to believe God's word but it won't change what it says ---Period  

 

Again ---- 

 

unsafe - have you ever actually studied the bible?  taken your translations back to the Hebrew roots and studied them in the context they were written?

 

Hi Inukshuk

 

Maybe you need to check where you are ---I quoted Romans --the New Testament ---it is Greek not Hebrew ---the New Testament was Written in Greek ---this is the translation in Greek --the language of the New Testament -----Hebrew is the language of the Old Testament ----

 

You can view the Greek Translation here ----

 

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/romans/11-11.htm

 

Peace to you inukshuk

 

 

 

oops - I posted too quickly and stand corrected re your quote from Romans.

  You seem to throw out snippets from the bible - do you understand the context in which they were written?

Well I guess it doesn't matter which language the bible is written in because if you are born again and have the holy spirit in you then you can even read pig latin. Isn't that right unsafe?

 

IHi Inukshuk   your quote   You seem to throw out snippets from the bible - do you understand the context in which they were written?

 

My answer to your Question is yes  ---

 

 

My question to you is ---Do You ?

 

Peace to you Inukshuk

I had seen that before and loved it. It nicely exposes the lie that homosexuality is a sin. People are gay because that is the will of our innerant God. Likewise God gave some people the journey of being transgendered. We need to love and accept our L.G.B.T.Q. brothers and sisters as Christ does.

ok ... a recap airclean...

You have lumped being what I am and being gay as being the same as .....

-  a murderer,

-  a thief,

-  and an adulterer.

Then you go on about controlling oneself....

So .... being what I am ... a woman .... a transgender woman....

What is it that I need to control? .... and that as a transgender woman please...

Is it how I dress? .... if so please tell me the criteria...

Is it how I behave? .... if so tell me how I should behave....

Or is it simply that I have acted on the truth of being a transgender woman and have chosen to live out that truth openly and honestly by how I dress and how I behave?

Would you please be very specific about the sin you are alluding to....

Please spell it out for me....

Sincerely

Rita

Hi RitaTG--Here is a question I ask befor. If you can answer it . Perhaps we can talk.

 

What GOD has said , He has said.I said HE GOD has never said it was ok for you , or any to be as you are. If you want to show me  different?  Please do so from GODS Word. Perhaps you should lison to this find talking young man again.

 

The young man Mattew Vines, in the vid spoke  on this very thing RitaTG. Perhaps it was you that were not listing?

 

RitaTG,

I am seeking to understand.

I am not trying to offend.

My question is this, how do you know that your being a transgendered woman is the truth?

Rich blessings.

go ahead and cite the verses that you are referring to airclean...

Show me specifically where you allege that scripture says I cannot dress according to my heart.   Book, chapter, and verses please.....

I will be more than happy to address them fully....

Regards

Rita

 

 

 

What are your thoughts on Deuteronomy 22:5?

Hi Dcn. Jae,

 

 

Try addressing that to a Scot.

 

Grace and peace to you.

John

5 A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.

 

 

I don't know. Let's ask this guy in the skirt:

 

Dcn Jae ... when read in context it is listed along with other admonishments regarding abuse.....

My question is this .... since we are not to just pull something out but rather take it in context ,... what is before and what comes after......

What do you make of the rest of the chapter?    Are those applicable just as they are or not?   If the rest is not ..... then why not? ...... and where is the scriptural justification of pulling this one out and ignoring the rest?

I would be interested in the viewpoint of a biblical studies student such as yourself...

Sincerely

Rita

What an excellent mental image. You win this round.

 

Hi Rev John --Would you like to try and tell at scot that what He's wearing is a dress?

Hi Rita I'm still waiting for you to show me .

 

Clever, but a kilt is mens' clothing.

 

Excellent questions RitaTG. I shall attempt to answer them should you elect to first answer the question I posed of you.

airclean .... how about Romans 14???

Lets start there....

Rita

Dcn Jae ...... I thought I had answered your question....

What is not clear in my answer?

Regards

Rita