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GOD & Co., Inc.

GOD & Company, Inc.
 

As I have written elsewhere, I have a thread in the forum at scienceagogo.com which I started using Turner, my wife's maiden name. That thread now has almost 2,700,000 hits and growing. Here is a comment which I wrote, recently:
 
The above title is one I will probably use when I post some of this information in my blog at www.wondercafe.com etc. By the way, Wondercafe.com was set up by the United Church of Canada (UCC). It is open to all decent people. So is:
http://www.united-church.ca/
 
Also, check out our non-churchy and secular kind of magazine, The United Church Observer
http://www.ucobserver.org/ The Observer is not an organ of the church, per se. If you write this magazine and do not find a welcome, please let me know.

WELCOME TO ALL RACES, CREEDS AND CLASSES
Keep in mind that the UCC, WonderCafe and the Observer are not just for churchy-type people. Gracious people of all races, classes and creeds are welcome. This includes you. All we ask is that you not be abusive. Sure we Christians--ones who like to practice agape-love--make no claim to be perfect, but we do like to practice the Golden Rule. How about you?

When anyone tells me: "The church is full of hypocrites ..." I always invite them to: "Come along! There is always room for more!!! :grin laugh Please, always allow for the hypocrites among us. Most of us are just practicing Christians, not perfected ones. smile
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Perhaps, in the light of the recent and interesting flurry of comments from new, and very welcome, posters, this title above could be the title of a new thread. But for now, I will simply ask readers here to: Think of this thread as as a sub-thread of the MAIN one.

CORPORATION--The Firm, The Company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

Keep in mind that corporations come in all sizes, shapes and forms. Note, also, that the root word is 'corpse'--body. Christians--often speak of the Church as the Body of Christ. I confess, it often behaves like a corrupt body, or even like a 'dead' body, but the principle still holds. Meanwhile, there is so much more to be said ...

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You're in good company RevLGKing. 

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You're a charm LGK ...

 

I like Dia Log, log being a journal off the pilgrimage ... and Dia being an indication of the two sided-ness of the satyr (psyche, god save the soul) one side growing from the humour of vite al forces of peaceful forces beyond (myth) mortals. One has to give wah to the immortal as Einstein said ... connection of light power ... indeterminate motivations? Like psyche the other side of God as devil to the monotheistic one-way tract of the rhinosaurus-type mind ... bullish? I like the dark side of humour ... thinly veiled to some and surely a bêtè 'n for the bullish.

 

Tell authority something they don't know and watch the reaction ... very little amiç able response tuit! Perhaps they don't know the expanse of words available ... word as God ... infinite you can make anything of the array provided ...

 

Now for the lesser power, psyche in an undeveloped state ... no nurturing of the soul ... just whipped into a froth? That's quantum, or kinetic state ... moving power of the cosmos when additive ... conjugal? One has to put it all together!

 

Soul and spirit are only shimmering essences ... don't follow physical laws in A'line address .. sort of like Odyssess ... or is that mental pilgrimage? Then if one has lost their mind does that wee one need to be retrieved? No there's ego-st of reflection ...

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love it.

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WaterBuoy wrote:

You're a charm LGK ...

 

One has to give wah to the immortal as Einstein said ... connection of light power ... indeterminate motivations? Like psyche the other side of God as devil to the monotheistic one-way tract of the rhinosaurus-type mind ... bullish? I like the dark side of humour ... thinly veiled to some and surely a bêtè 'n for the bullish.

 

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Soul and spirit are only shimmering essences ... don't follow physical laws in A'line address .. sort of like Odyssess ... or is that mental pilgrimage? Then if one has lost their mind does that wee one need to be retrieved? No there's ego-st of reflection ...

{smile} Good post WB, I could understand most of that.

 

"Soul and spirit are only shimmering essences ... don't follow physical laws inA'line address .. sort of like Odyssess ... or is that mental pilgrimage."

 

Odysseus's pilgrimage back home was the way back to the soul and spirit. His journey was the journey of the ages. The one that's been walked by myths and magicians, and sages and seers, down through the ages. This is the path of the soul.

 

Hercules walked this same path when, as a soul, he changed his direction around the zodiac and traversed the path in reverse order, through the 12 signs, (each presenting a different labour and task to overcome), from Aries to Pisces, via the sign Taurus. Hercules laboured his way  back to his source. Full circle.

 

So in ours myths, in the form of archetypical  and epic heroes like Prometheus, Hercules and Odysseus, was this "way home" trodden. Note that these legends didn't  likely and really (physically) exist. They were  stories and myths, told from point of view of the soul.

 

In real life, however, did the likes of the Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed, do the same thing. But They walked in our very midsts. They took this same path, in the form of righteousness and enlightenment, in order to return from whence they came. These were real life legends Who also had Their trials and Their sufferings. But just like Odysseus and Hercules before them, They over came them and triumphed. Thus becoming Arahts and Saviours.

 

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You mentioned that Einstein said that "one has to give wah (way?) to the immortal". Could you elaborate?

 

In looking for some reference to the above quote I came across some other quotes from Einstein. This guy really was truly amazing. He said things as profound and as mystic as holy man in our scriptures. Somehow the following seemed relevant to this thread so I to posted them here:

 

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

 

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving"

 

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science."

 

"People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

 

"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once."

 

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius --- and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."

 

- Albert Einstein

 

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The following dialogue, with an atheist, Austin Cline, is for the record

V. Srinivasan--seemed supportive:

NB: My attempt at having a dialogue was with Austin Cline, not VS.


VS: I assume you have read the following dialogue between Austin Cline and me, which he set up and posted without giving me any real opportunity to respond to his dismissive kind of response.

 

http://atheism.about.com/b/2005/01/11/prove-god-exists-win-usd-1-million...
 

Over the years I have learned that each of us--including atheists/agnostics--has our own unique concept of god.
 

To Austin Cline I said: "Keep in mind that the god-hypothesis about which I write is too big to be contained in a noun...(I meant the proper noun, God.)"
 

Austin responded by making a series of abrupt comments and by asking curt questions which, to say the least, in no way encouraged us having a comfortable and useful dialogue. Why your attitude, Austin?
 

For example, he said: "Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about. No hypothesis is fully “contained” in any single noun, so what you’re saying just doesn’t make any sense."
 

Wanting to make sense of this, I then said:
 

"First, I need to say what GG (that is, GOD or G0--this a zero--d) is or is not ..."
 

Of course, the curt questions continued:
 

"Why?" he asked. "And why not get into specifics about what “god” is?"
 

When I said: For me, GOD/G0d is not--as the the great inventor Nicola Tesla said-- a being with dimensions, but is Being itself.
 

Despite this, Austin kept on talking to me like he was a prosecuting attorney:
 

"What does that mean?" he said.
 

I reminded him: 'Jesus did not say God is “a” spirit. He said GOD IS SPIRIT."
 

Again, without giving me any opportunity to explain further, then or later, Austin asked:
 

"What is “spirit”?
 

When I offered to describe what ancient texts of the Bible looked like, Austin made no attempt to explore the matter.
 

He simply offered his opinion:
 

"Not all languages have lower-case and capital letters. It’s thus a mistake to say that such a language uses all capitals."
 

"Without going into detail..." I went on.
 

He interjected, "you aren’t really saying anything of substance." February 23, 2010 at 7:18 am

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Well, now!  I feel like saying: THANKS FOR NOTHING (I laugh!!!)laugh

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At this point, knowing that I was facing a self-appointed judge of a court of mockery I decided to... Well, ... to vote with my feet until I ..............

 
 
I BRAG! Forgive me! But here is the good news:
 
 
At this point,  one of my threads, in the science forum at scienceagogo.com , where I have several Atheist/Agnostic friends, now has well over 2,600,000 hits, and growing. Feel free to join in. But take note of a new thread I just started.
 
 
GOD & COMPANY, INC
In this new thread, I write about GOD & Company, Inc. And I am not talking about a company which was founded by a god--natural, or supernatural. Nor am I talking about a human being on earth who claims to have supernatural, infallible and god-like powers.
 
 
I am talking about a company of human beings--of all classes, races and creeds--who hope we have evolved at least to the point where we are now ready to make the following choice:
 
 
MY GOAL IS TO BECOME A HUMANE BEING--a moral, ethical and loving human being.
 
 
Me? Long ago, Jan. 14, 1930, I was born and soon baptized (washed) as a Protestant Christian. It was later that I discovered there are several hundreds of Christian sects.
 
 
As I grew, I also discovered that there are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, you name it--also divided in numerous sects. Eventually, learned to respect all moral, ethical and loving forms of religion. This led me to my personal solution.

 
NOW THAT I CHOOSE TO BE A HUMANE BEING
Without abandoning the basic principles of Jesus, the founder of Christianity, I chose that I would like to practice being a humane being, not just a human being. I am still practicing.
 
 
How did I get to this point?
 
 
With the help of my family, the community--including teachers and preachers, all forms of the media, including the Net--which we have at our disposal, agree to at least begin to practice the art of living with the goal of becoming truly humane beings.
 
 
How did I get to deserve this:
Simply by the right of birth, like every other human being. I got the right to be shareholder in G&C.
 
 
IN MY OPINION, NO SUPERNATURAL GOD GIVES US THE KINGDOM, REPUBLIC, OR COMMONWEALTH OF GOD? IT COMES FROM WITHIN
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This more abundant life is ours--by 'ours' I mean all moral, ethical, loving and humane people, not just the churchly types--by  birthright. I call it G0d  within me.
 
 
I AM MORE INTERESTED IN BEEN A "DEEDAL" CHRISTIAN THAN A CREEDAL ONE
To all people, including those who tell us they are moral, ethical and humane Atheists/Agnostics I say:
 
 
Following Jesus' example, I tell people: Don't tell me what you believe; show me what you believe by your actions. In my opinion, Jesus was born, lived and died a Jew. He was not a Christian in the Biblical and modern sense of the word.  Check out the book: HOW JESUS BECAME A CHRISTIAN by Prof. Barrie Wilson of York University, Toronto:
http://www.barriewilson.com/hjbc.html
 
God-talk--that is, TALKING THEOLOGY
BTW, when I talk "god-talk" to people, I do not insist that others have to use the same terms I use, like GOD, or G0d. What interests me is how people act. Meanwhile, am I not allowed to use terms that are familiar to me? If others believe in living and doing that which helps make life better for all of us, great. Of course, I agree to take people at their word, then by their actions.
 
 
HERE IS HOW I THINK OF MYSELF:
I think of myself as a G0d-like seed sowed--as part of that mystery we call life--in the matrix I call GOD--what most people call existence
 
This way of thinking helps make of me a loving and caring humane-kind of a person. I do not need to pray to a god out there and ask "him" to make me good. With the help of others, I simply affirm that I am who I am. Because I am, I have the power to choose to be, or not to be.
 
This simple act of choosing to be aware that I am aware, leads me to know and to do that which helps me communicate to all who need my help that I am a caring and humane person.  
 
 
My experience has taught me that this kind of thinking can help anyone get the right to reap a fair share of all dividends produced by the matrix, GOD--that is, all that Generates Good, Organizes Opportunities and Delivers that which is Desirable and Delightful.
 
 
WHEN, AT MATURITY, WE BEGIN TO PRODUCE
When we come of age, we then have the opportunity to produce and reap many dividends, especially the dividend of becoming a truly humane being.
 
 
VS: If the above post gets published in this thread I will be pleasantly surprised.
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I was not suprised:
 
My comments were censored, not published.
 
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Rev King, I understand that when you come up with stuff like "G0D", you are immensely proud of it.  Good for you.  Meanwhile, most of the rest of us have no effing clue what you're on about.  You can not communicate or define what you are attempting to promote, so what you have is not worthy of "publication" anywhere where there are the most basic of standards.

 

To me, you're still rightly embarrassed by Christianity, but you can't let go, so you mess with definitions until Webster is rolling in his grave and the rest of us are rolling our eyes.  There is nothing there for me to accept, reject, or otherwise comment on, other than to say you have taken a series of incomplete and incoherent thoughts and crystallized them into a series of incomplete and incoherent thoughts.

 

I do like how you had to create a sockpuppet account and tone down your acronyms in order to light your amazing 2,700,000 hit thread.  In it, you are getting your ass handed to you at regular intervals for being impossible to understand, and for your inability to define what it is you're promoting.  The best idea anyone has so far, is that once one strips away your alternate definitions, what you're promoting is simply Christianity.

 

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A long time fan:

THE KINGDOM, REPUBLIC, COMMONWEALTH OF GOD IS WITHIN
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It is by our right of birth--that is, by G0d within each of us (--that we all get the right to reap a fair share of all dividends produced by GOD--that is, all that Generates Good, Organizes Opportunities and Delivers that which is Desirable and Delightful.
 
Yes!
 
Regards,
 
The --- uh---"Happy Genius" smiley
 
"Does not you own scriptures say 'Ye are Gods'?
 
---You probably know what Psalm He was referring to smiley
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NEO,

"Giving way to the immortal" is parse of Einstein's comment that light is the only way to connect mortal with the immortal soul ... that's psyche ... chi's all about us ... as Webster defined intellect; all that is beyond the bode an will! is that way out there ... sort of crazy to one stuck on the concept of pure will as only a point meant to be confined as gravid?

 

Is that spiritual of what?

 

That expression led him to the fabrication of 1=XY, or the reciprocal function of Y=1/X in which the expansion of one diminishes the other ... a truly infinite expression of singularity (in both positive and negative terms) God being a singular thing that amuses the devil out of me ... causing me to loose my train of thought. Emotion's like that! In Romantic expression the devil destroys emotions ... thus leading to a thought that few emotional authorities cannot accept ... lol ... I have trouble with balance over this one ... difficult to keep the wits with such satyr. Drives some posters in the other direction as they are not open to anon-orthodoxy ... like God simply in essence ... soul or spirit as pair's? Did Paris go on that pilgrimage to get IT all together as Hellenistic philosophy? Romans hated that one ...

 

Einstein's reciprocal equation also reflected on the eclectic storm on the brain, anything charged as "E" was to meet a reciprocal resistance as the hard carrier ... mankind? A powerful man in belief is a tough nut until meeting his mate ... his self ... isn't that an Ithchy (eth-chi) state that would make the firm skin crawl or burn? Perhaps it is just a blush ... like Eros ... entanglement?

 

This is all recorded in parse ... in God's Equation by a famous mathematician that I can't recall his name just now. It is a biography of Einstein's way of thinking ... too profound for many unless they can find common ground (the mêmè that Dawkin's couldn't find. That's common space in old Gael). It is something perhaps that is shared in overlapping nature in time ... like mêrè ... pseudonym for the sea of dirt on life ... what's required to feed the imagination, that many deny! Some open heart and psyche required for the conversion ... altered form?

 

PS: if you wish the author's name I'll search up the book ... small but thick ... like primal stew ... aboriginal intellect?

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Chansen:

Inspired by your interesting comments, I have revised some of my last post.

Please take a look, OK?

 

But keep in mind: I have no quarrel with Srinivasan, here. He seems on the level. However, sad to say: I have no faith that,  the Atheism/Agnosticism section of about.com , is led by anyone who is worthy of being trusted.

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(Neo}

 

{smile} Good post WB, I could understand most of that.

 

A good post when one gets a shard

Faint praise for this venues bard

Understanding is always hard

'Gainst easy understanding be on guard

From  your brain being too strongly jarred

And gaining a foot when you want a yard

(William Shakespeare)

 

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Recently, Marcus J Borg was interviewed by editor David Crumm on ReadTheSpirit. They discussed Dr. Borg’s novel, “Putting Away Childish Things.”

David: Why did you suddenly write a novel after so many years of writing nonfiction?

Marcus: I could give a number of answers. But, the main one is that I’ve presented my ideas in nonfiction and, now—by creating characters with various points of view in this novel—I can give readers more of a sense of how people struggle with these ideas in everyday life. Now, rather than just me presenting my ideas to readers, characters are in dialogue about the ideas.

        http://www.marcusjborg.com/

PUTTING AWAY CHILDISH THINGS
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And talking about childish things I remember my own childhood:

The following sounds like the beginning of a joke: Sometime in the Spring of 1929, not long before the great earthquake and tidal wave (tsunami), that hit the south coast of Newfoundland, and before the beginning of the Great Depression, I--the seventh of eighth children--was conceived in Conception Bay, Newfoundland. By the way, was the earthquake a harbinger of my coming?cheeky

Details of the quake:

The 1929 Grand Banks earthquake, also called the Laurentian Slope earthquake and the South Shore Disaster, was of a magnitude of 7.2. The earthquake  occurred on November 18, 1929, in the Atlantic Ocean off the south coast of Newfoundland in the Laurentian Slope Seismic Zone....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Grand_Banks_earthquake

Later, I learned from my older siblings that I was born on a frosty Tuesday, January 14, 1930. Our youngest sister, Nancy, came along in 1932. Obviously, I was not a mistake. (LOL)smiley

My seven siblings and I were the children of fisher-folk, boat builders, house builders, carpenters and miners--rich in humane capital but short in cash. How many, today, can say: We are the children of a father who set out to earn his living as a cabin boy--in other words, a child slave--on a schooner that sailed to the Labrador in the spring of 1891. He was 11 years of age. I wish I knew more the details of what happened that year and the years that followed. 

MOTHER MUST HAVE HAD A SENSE OF HUMOUR

In the old days, as we say, it was a common practice to give children Biblical names. For example,  my father's only name was called Eleazar (Hebrew for, God has helped)--the name of the third son of and successor (as high priest) to Aaron, the brother of Moses. Another Eleazar was the ancestor of Joseph (Matthew 1:15) and, therefore, Jesus.

 

My parents were married in Perry's Cove, Conception Bay, in 1905. Eleazar was 25, and my mother Maude Beatrice Kelloway, was 20. In the Spring of 1906, on  their way to Labrador, their first child, Joseph (Hebrew for: May Jehovah, God, add posterity) was born in the very sheltered community of La Scie, NL, in June, 1906--half way along on the trip to Labrador. The community now has 955 people. Besides the honour of being an ancestor of Jesus, it must have come to their mind that he would be called JoKing.  smiley

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=La+Scie,+NL&oe=utf-8&rls=com.mandriva:en-US...

Quite a story!

 

Me? I was number seven of five boys and three girls. Between me and my next older brother, who was born on Bell Island in 1920, there is a gap of ten years. Then, in 1932, our youngest sister came along. She and I are, currently, the last members of the family alive. This means that all members in our "holy family" were conceived in the Bay of the Immaculate Conception.
 

Interestingly, Portugal Cove, Conception Bay is the last stop before the 20 minute ferry-ride to Bell Island. It is nine miles north of St. John's. As I understand it, the apostrophe in the name of the city is there because the full name is St. John's Day. It seems that certain authorities--especially those of Irish Catholic ancestry--decided it to be so. The same authorities also chose June 21 as founder's day.
 

 

Education: Except for my sister and me, our older siblings got little in the way of a formal education in the church-operated school system in NL. In addition, between 1932 and 1935, my younger sister and I experienced several deaths in the family. They were probably caused by a combination of bad living-conditions plus tuberculosis. Our oldest brother died at 25; our oldest sister at 23; her husband and their two children soon followed. Our mother, at 50, died in 1935. All died one after the other. My sister was 12 when our father died in 1944. I was 14.
 

Because of this, I became very skeptical, even cynical and agnostic about the value of praying to an "almighty and heavenly father"--a god who would "deliver us from evil". Did "He" deliver us from the evil of the Depression by giving us the "gift" of WW 2?
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THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THE NATIONAL POST

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/buzz+factory/5417304/story.html

 

I responded to the writer, Joseph Brean:

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Joseph:

Thanks for a GOD-like article with room for mystics! Clearly, by using the acronym GOD, I  am not talking about a 'god' who is a supernatural and person-like being--one who, like us, exists within space/time.
 

By the way,  you mention what some physicists speak of as "the God Particle". To me, this suggests a god which is limited by dimensions. It seems to me that such a "God" is bound to have "feet of clay". One day, like all idols, it will fall and be no more.
 

This is perhaps the reason why the spiritually-minded and great inventor, Nicola Tesla, said, "God has no dimensions". Inspired by Baruch Spinoza, Albert Einstein, and others before and after him no doubt, held a similar kind of theology--the kind I call unitheism. A group of us at Facebook. call ourselves unitheists.  As a unitheist, if I were a physicist--and I did study the subject at a basic level, years ago--I would not worry about the loss of gods that are particle-like ones.
 

UNITHEISM-PANENTHEISM--as noted in Wikipedia are the similar, in meaning. It is a no doctrinaire theology. As a unitheist, I have a great desire to be as free as possible in my thoughts, words and deeds--subject only to the laws of our country, our cities and communities. We want the same freedom for every person, regardless of race, class or creed.
 

Because we have no desire to convert people to a set of doctrines, unitheists prefer not to focus on and seek to impose doctrines or dogmas about "God and religion".
 

We say to all: Believe what you enjoy believing as long as you allow me to have the same freedom. When I say and write the acronym, GOD, I do so to refer to that which generates good, optimizes and organizes opportunities. Also it delivers that which is well-designed, desirable and delightful to me and for others--in my family and our community.
 

Unitheism (see Wikipedia) is the term I prefer to use because it avoids confusion with pantheism. It has a meaning that is similar to panentheism--a philosophy of religion put forth in 1832 by the German philosopher Karl Christian Friedrich Krause (1781–1832).
 

Krause--good for him--sought  to reconcile monotheism and pantheism and coined the term panentheism ("all in God") in 1828. This conception of God influenced New England transcendentalists such as Ralph Waldo Emerson. The term was popularized by the Rev. Charles Hartshorne, an Episcopalian, in his development of process theology, which is based on the writings of the mathematician and philosopher, Alfred North Whitehead,  and has also been adopted by proponents of various New Thought beliefs. Of course, the formalization of this term in the West in the 18th century  was not new. Philosophical treatises had been written on it in the context of Hinduism for millennia.
 

When I think of GOD expressed in me as an individual, I write it a G0d--that is G zero d; or G∅d

 

Notice that, as part of an acronym, I use the symbol null, ∅. Some of you skilled in maths could help us with this, OK? Is the null really all that useful?
 

Of course we do have the '0'. Thank GOD for the zero! Without it, how did the Roman empire last as long as it did? Or is this all just fiction that the Romans did not have larger than M (1000)?
 

THE POWER AND VALUE OF A MORAL, ETHICAL, AGAPE-LOVE BASED AND GUIDED IMAGINATION
It is brazen of me, I know, but pardon me Albert! But may I suggest an addition to your great E+MC2 formula?  Here it is:
 

E=MC squared, multiplied by F ......

The F stands, not for religion, but for FAITH--a mystical, imaginative and a fiduciary-kind of faith--one with insight and imagination. This is not just ordinary fides--an unquestioning and childish kind of faith.  A fiduciary is one who takes personal responsibility for getting GOD-like things done and it contributes to the public good.
 

Albert, you did say, did you not, that, "Imagination is more important than knowledge" ?
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Einstein on Religion
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religion_and_Science_.28193...
 

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chansen wrote:
... I do like how you had to create a sockpuppet account and tone down your acronyms in order to light your amazing 2,700,000 hit thread.  In it, you are getting your ass handed to you at regular intervals for being impossible to understand, and for your inability to define what it is you're promoting. 

....The best idea anyone has so far, is that once one strips away your alternate definitions, what you're promoting is simply Christianity

  Chansen, what on earth is a sockpuppet account? Please explain. And, may I ask:

 

HOW MUCH DO YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT CHRISTIANITY?

 

That is, how much do you really know about the universal and all-inclusive kind of agape-love based Christianity of the Jew called  Jesus. Keep in mind Paul, who wrote about Jesus as one who saves, was formerly fascist-like Roman citizen.

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A sock puppet account is a new profile account but with a different name. In other words it's still you but with a different skin.

 

Sometimes, I suspect, there have been people here at the WonderCafe who've actually held conversations between themselves and their sock puppet. Usually, of course, it's aways about praise and agreement so that it looks like they are not alone in their point of view(s). 

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I totally agree Neo, you are one of the wisest people I know.... oh wait, I forgot to change profiles! Never mind.

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Neo wrote:

I totally agree Neo, you are one of the wisest people I know.... oh wait, I forgot to change profiles! Never mind.

Thank you for my smile today,Neo, I needed it. kiss

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Neo wrote:

I totally agree Neo, you are one of the wisest people I know.... oh wait, I forgot to change profiles! Never mind.

I was  just starting to think of sockpuppeting ---- Hmmm... Unhappy Dunce, maybe....

When I read this. And laughed out loud.

The ratio here of scorn  to   praise is, I think, 3256 to 1 ----

Soooo have we sockpuppets who are terribly depressed, angry with themselves?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RevLGKing wrote:

 

 

HOW MUCH DO YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT CHRISTIANITY?

 

That is, how much do you really know about the universal and all-inclusive kind of agape-love based Christianity of the Jew called  Jesus. Keep in mind Paul, who wrote about Jesus as one who saves, was formerly fascist-like Roman citizen.

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Well, youngster (I've got a year on you), I thought I knew a lot, I studied a lot, but I find to my delight that I am learning a lot.

... and there's more and more to learn... the stream is wider and flowing faster...

Much more to learn  !

(even from people younger than me. Here, assume four pages of agreement and praise.)

 

 

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RevLGKing wrote:

 

 A group of us at Facebook. call ourselves unitheists.

UNITHEISM-PANENTHEISM--as noted in Wikipedia

 

Now TWO things to look up.

 

RevLGKing wrote:

 

Because we have no desire to convert people to a set of doctrines ...

 

 

Not me. I want everyone to accept in toto my every opinion, especially when they change..

 

RevLGKing wrote:

 

Of course we do have the '0'. Thank GOD for the zero!

 

 

uh, more accurately thank Allah, no?

 

 

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Gotta love it ... talking to one's elf and raising the "ich" up to an acknowledge-able signal ... mire figment in the imagination? Why they say that people God talks to are crazy ... for they mull over the tØom (deeps) of their mind (which many say is no-existent as a flash of electricity across the brain)! Shocking conclusion for those that depend on such secondary powers for their daily toasting. Sometimes it involves some wool over the eyes to accommodate delusionary tactics for those that don't wish to question their self and their motivations!

 

What is the media of such energy as fired out of the sun by solar winds? But you could not say this to an authority that demands that all things are physical and obviously doesn't have the energy (Eros, ID) to think about anything alien, strange or newt a him that is fixed, a unique bean, ben in a moving spectrum of universal splendour. Baccarole ... the harmonis of the stars that mimic the mind in-function as low grade storage space, reflective? You might know this as Van Gogh in function ... akin to aboriginal Rueben from above ... separation in old Hebrew ... divining of material and the metaphysical ... with rare exceptions of the thinking dimension, mined you ... enough to make one talk to that person behind the knitting of the human story that turned out sour. Makes for fine satyr and cynicism ... that perhaps we could've done things differently ... in a rigid surrounding that would just crack everybody up "cept" the hard cores ... they wouldn't change for cor'bell and old Hebrew term for an image of God herself .. a psyche-ich man? That would be a thinking devil and we go on emotions alone by faith without question ... contrary to I Thessalonians 5:21 even though it suggests questioning everything/all-that-is ... even our ideal-isms?

 

Is that Ares or what ... being confrontational in ancient terms of the beginning being contrary to the ends ... and so theis Tory goes on ... indeterminate soul? That's the spirit as known in old daze as a ghost of thought ... and Caesar's henchmen didn't like such following thoughts  ... so intelligence was put out of the question! Such leaves a mortal crazy as compared to an infinite love that was chaotic in the first place to stir up such a soupy tale. Thus the concept of two chaos' ... one of emotion and one of word ... that's like a literary device of mind ... works both wahs!

 

Speaking of nothing and the infinite; did you know the Roman and Jewish train of thought were a rare case (ethereal) in peoples that didn't have a zero or infinite in their computational devices? With nothing to begin with; how could they conjure up something from nothing without an infinite intellect ... it's out there not here and now ... just look around a bit! That would involve movement, perhaps a bit of the imaginary fields as you pass thorough eM unconscious to their existence ... the finest conspiracy of creation ... means of man to be ignorant by emotional isolation alone ... no clews allowed ... a blown state on this side of reality. Is there a finitely humble state? Not when you're on this side of the shaky line ... you have to get right into the story of sole music ... pure harmoni after experiencing the Wahl of unsatisfied souls ... who like to control what isn't theirs to begin with ... that being a mystical source to those that don't believe in psyche in any way shape of form ... even those that should be cultivated! Thus a mindless rapture ... we call it dirt ... mere earth ... an image of the others' Ide? Just a particle in space ... a mote? There's gravid and then there's the shocking particle opposing the proton ache ... wanting to get it together ... leading to solar dust ... ESS. Teller!

 

William Telle's overt Ure in kind flat qui's on the cheek, sane goodbye girl ... gone Piscine in another dimension of myth so they won't get it ... if they don't wish to ... psyche is Ur ... casting a shadow of a brae Ham ... cos moe logical joker ... amuses those of vaster space ... wah above us th limits of psyche ... intellect that's out there (Webster)? It is just a sign folks of a depth of understanding we should draw to ... or is that from? Prickly heh Saac, pulled over dah Edom! The Hebrew covenanted tale of creation that is still untouchable ... for few have thoughts about creation and small filamentous bits of energy ... coaL eshin to a leg to stand upon ...

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Originally Posted By: Ellis
 
 
So he is she--is that the call?
Maybe god is principal after all!
 
 
MORE ON THE PRINCIPLE OF UNITHEISM:

Principal?

Ellis, I assume this is a typo, right? I assume you do not mean that god is a 'principal'--a person, one who is most important, a main character, a chief, one who, like the God of theism and deism, gives orders based on creeds and doctrines.
 

GOD AS PRINCIPLE
Keep in mind that I write as one who accepts the basic principles of unitheism (a doublet of panentheism--see Wikipedia). That is, I think of

G.O.D. --The principle of all that is good, opportune and desirable.

--and note that I write it here using periods to obviate anyone thinking that I have in mind a god with a being-like deity and with a name. GOD as a principle, a truth--whether found in philosophy, science, art, whatever--is a foundation for other truths.

 

THE ROOTS OF EVIL AND/OR GOOD
Making no claim that I am infallible, I think of the universe as an infinite and eternal supply of knowledge, wisdom, energy and power. Of themselves, KWEP are, IN MY OPINION, neutral.

 

THE FUEL OF EVIL
How KWEP are used by us is what produces the things we experience as evil--pain, suffering and premature death. Evil gets a lot of its fuel from our desire to be neutral and our being afraid to take action. Evil also gets fuel from our apathy, our sloth and our being willing to remain ignorant.

 

THE FUEL OF GOODNESS
GOD as personal and public good get their fuel from people--the more the better--who say:
 

I am, therefore I have the power to think and the will (agape-love) to choose, to know and to understand that which is wise, good and true--for me and my community. I open myself to the energy, knowledge and wisdom that will flow, come and empower me, and others with me, to get done that which is good, opportune and desirable.
 

So, what are your  thoughts?

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Agape ... that's what's missing ... heavenly fallout at the first creation ... as God divined ... space for thought and earth for emotional sorts? Then it still isn't perfect. I t appears you can fall through from either's ID ... in which case the Id is IÐ ... and in ancient communion that's Ithchei ... the urge to make something from scratch ... the story goes on if you have your feet in the waters ... might as well take a bath ... like David's white stone ... it washed well and the soldier drifted off leaving a lover (what, love in the temple) that couldn't be under a Romantic Law in which Love and Th'aught was illegal for common folk (pagans) and as the higher folk were lazy they forgot the whole point ... thus the need for digging or what we call anthropocentric process that should be outward ... but the dum as is get's everything reciprocal ... up-side-down! Isn't that Elle 'n ... silently scripted on the dummy?

 

The bible does speak of mystery and the hidden sacred ... does it not or do people not read into ID!

 

I like the powers of the 23rd as I said elsewhere ... what's the 23rd book an allegory of AEsous ... then there's Matthew 23:23 ... how was such a huge story across time laid out in such chaos ... the joining of misconstrued words in the love'veit all? Bred for the soul ... that's the lower tier.. devilish thing ... untouchable ... non-existent or just beyond reach of disbelieving mortals? That Ba' Sah ... Sah being an old word for head ... mortals need moor ...

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TRIGGERING THE PLACEBO EFFECT USING WILLPOWER...
 
 
 
FIRST, by now most of us know that only in the Comic Books are there supermen, superwomen, superheroes  and supergods who will come to earth to rescue and save us in our hour of need. Agreed?
 
 
SECOND, the good news is: YOU CAN BE YOUR OWN PNEUMAMAN, PNEUMAWOMAN, PNEUMABOY, OR PNEUMAGIRL, BY USING YOUR PNEUMA-BASED POWER OF CHOICE. OK? 
 
 
On numerous occasions, I have used what I call pneumatherapy to help individuals, and/or groups, do as suggested above. I always tell people coming for help: If it is your will, you will soon know how to turn on your personal WILLPOWER, INTELLECT & IMAGINATION functions. This is the first step we need to take in finding the solutions we need to our own pain-and-suffering problems. 
 
 
When people sincerely and willingly agree to accept and act on the suggestions made above, it always amazes me how quickly they learn how to overcome their own RESISTANCE to the help available. When they do, they invariably begin to find the solutions they need for their physical, mental or spiritual problems. 
 
ICEBERGS AND THE PNEUMA COMPONENT OF OUR HUMAN NATURE
 
 
Many icebergs, like the one in the link below are seen every Spring, off Newfoundland and not far from www.bellisland.net  the island (about 9x3 miles) where I was born, in 1930. It is 9 miles from St.John's.
 
 
PNEUMATOLOGICAL (that is, SPIRITUAL) SYMBOLISM of such bergs
 
THE PNEUMA-- IS ABOUT THAT WHICH IS ALL-ENCOMPASSING. 
The 10% of the ice of a berg, which is seen above the waterline. The sky-blue colour of the berg symbolizes the Pneuma component--that is, the human ability to be self-aware and say:
 
 
I am and, therefore, I have WILLPOWER--the power to choose to be, or not to be. Using the principle of the Golden Rule, I choose and agree to take personal responsibility for who I am and what I ought to do about it--for self, for others and for the universe in which we live, move and have our being. 
 
 
THE GOLDEN SUN IS THE SYMBOL OF KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM
Thus, I have the power of choice to say: I choose to think, learn, know, reason and understand. 
 
THE RED BENEATH THE EARTH, AND OUR SKIN, IS THE SYMBOL OF POWER.
 
This is the power and energy which enables me to do and to act, as needed.
 
 
Take note that 90% of the iceberg is below the waterline. This darker shade of blue symbolizes the unconscious and animal-like mind (psyche) we all have. Located in the skull, our brain is a somatic organ which appears to be connected to every cell of the body (the soma component). 
 
 
THE ROLE OF THE PNEUMA (spirit, soul, mind)? It is the source of the all-ecompassing will which helps the soma and the psyche to work together and trigger the placebo effect.
 
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Does it leave ordinary people sort of red-faced ... when stepping beyond the self and seeing that emotions can be alloyed with intellect ... what's out there as God in expanded form? Out of the box form ...

 

Moor tuit that aman can imagine ... putting goosebumps down your neck like a Kohl wind ... a cooling thought like a refreshing drink to alter our view of how real men deal with assertiveness? It grows into destructiveness ... and we stoke our own fires if we can't cool it somewhere in the depths ... that's Ðøom in Genesis ... like a never ending story on this side of time, space and the light of the situation here asis ... Sufi Legend! Now is that dark ... use a stick to explore safely without falling through the holes ... heavenly default? Levity is required for float Erse ... chi-ite of a language to the English who ignored the rule about knowing alien tongues ... a'fire ...

 

God(s) thoughts are not here but out there---St Nich (of cusa)! Hoo dah known that without the small Icons ... wee gnomes? King Jaimes thought eM devilish to learn ... the initiation of Shakespearian drama on the subject of Ire Neigh ... emotions in print? Skill of literacy required for the stretch ... not literal ... it alters with age like a guðe  ferment ... high bruin ... bare soul ...

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