how?

through hard work

you have to learn how love works

how you work

how your thoughts & feelings work

then, when you master that, you can start with others

By putting people and their future ahead of ideology and dogma.

Besides, it's not about "loving your enemies". You don't need to "love" everybody - all that does is cheapen the word. But you do have to forgive. When we lose the capacity to forgive, we lose the ability to move forward.

chansen

Yup, forgiveness is the first step. We've all screwed up in life, forgiveness, and being forgiven, is all part of our life lessons.

Excellent video, unsafe, thank you for sharing it.

Perspective, as Ravi suggested, is key. When we remember that God loved us even when we were sinners, even when we were turned against him, we should find it possible to love those who are against us. Of course that doesn't mean that we love everything they may be doing. Forgiveness, I agree, is an important part of loving.

Hi Don.Jae    your quote    Of course that doesn't mean that we love everything they may be doing. Forgiveness, I agree, is an important part of loving.

For me that is the whole point ---you don't like the action of the person that is sinning but you can still love the person -----that is Agape Love ---Loving the unlovely ---forgiveness is very powerful for ourselves in our own life as unforgiveness brings sorrow to our physical bodies and mind  which causes our body and mind to become sick and malfunction ----the woman who had the acid in the face from her husband I am sure didn't feel Love for him when he returned but realized that her own forgiveness toward him was necessary so peace and health in herself could be maintained and through her own forgiveness she was able to love the unlovely ----which is Agape ------

I also thought it was a good video and showed just how powerful forgiveness is in bringing Agape to the surface when faced with loving your enemy ---this is just my viiew --

Peace

When we forgive it changes our heart and as Chansen mentioned it helps us move forward. Sometimes it also changes the "enemies" heart, but not always, especially if the person you need to forgive is no longer around.

No, that's idiotic, in one of two popular ways:

First, the "love the sinner, hate the sin" crap is used to justify some Christian's treatment of the GLBT community, which has been appalling. Denouncing people for who they are, on the basis of what you think your imaginary friend wants, is idiotic. It has completely ruined any chance of "love the sinner, hate the sin" being taken seriously ever again.

Second, if they are actually doing something terrible, and that doesn't include who they choose to sleep with (because that's not a problem), you don't forgive them while they're still doing it.

Seriously, that's also idiotic. Time is necessary to heal wounds and forgive, and if they're still doing it, no chance. That's not the time for love or forgiveness, that's the time to fight back.

Hi Unsafe --I find this an exlent thread. HOW DO WE LOVE OUR ENEMIES. I believe the very fact we call them our enemies. Gets us on the wrong path. I think if we were to think of those in the world as Sisters and Brothers. we mite think twice befor calling them our enemies. Hate is the enemie, fight hate with love . It will win every time.The Lord Jesus Christ said to love your enimies. Think how long can a person be an enemie if you feel only love for them?We can not control how others  feel. But we all have control how we feel.I also know that by  exchanging  hate  for love . Another word comes up Peace.This could be not so much for the one you had hate for. But for you at least. I know this for a fact . As I had someone I loved  that  hurt me very much.  It took me a long time to let that hate go, even with GOD trying to help me in every step. It took ten wasted years of no peace. That I could  of have had in ten min.We must learn to walk in the way.  God Bless--airclean33-Gord.

When we realize that "all is one," or "all are one," and this realization is not just an intellectual insight but a deeply felt emotion, and this "one" that we feel and think we are is experienced as divine, then everyone and everything is part of the same godly whole, and we look lovingly at everyone and everything and exclaim: "Thou art I; Thou art God!" Then we love our enemy as ourselves because both our enemy and we are part of the same godly self.

It is, of course, not possible to like everyone equally well. Although I love everyone, there are some people I don't like very much.

A mystical warrior is a martial artist who is aware of universal unity and practices unitive love. He loves, admires, and respects his opponents, and principally negotiates rather than fights. But when it does come to battle, he fights with cool concentration, disabling rather than killing his opponents, with minimal damage and suffering. If he must kill, then he kills lovingly, inflicting minimal suffering, a sacrifice more than a killing.

As modern Christians we are not very moderate at this love thing ...

It is all or nothing no mediums allowed ... that way knowing is eliminated as no ledge to stand on when hot winds avail ... Los T'Horizon?

The "all is one" thing is just a'palling to those that like to win abba'd as in a separate way from everyone else ...

Then there's Mama Mia ... the mother of God that's had everything and rejected a few as heavenly fallacy ... a sort of falling out sentience ... close to a Madgellan clouded state ... unsure like Thomas ... the infinite didi Muse ... and the thought continued as a mythical potpherous mind of imaginary irony ... Shaw scal'd Ron? It is abstract in colour ... black iron as Leer's witches thing ...

Yes, unsafe, I agree. Course, in my view, love is more than just a feeling anyway.

Love is everything ... that condemns us to thoughtless existence ... especially when polity demands that you choose to be with or against .. no mediums allowed ...

Alas I sneaked in ath aught ... as if it were nut'n ... and the extremes never noticed! Psyche has recessed as judgement is way down the way ... as blind law holds strongly ... without any creepy mellow in ...

Is this right or wrong in your view ----is the street preacher doing good or bad -----are the people judging the preacher ????? or is the preacher judging the people ---??????? ---or is the preacher doing what God tells us to do ---go and preach my word to others ----should we just preach the good points and ignore the the bad ---or should all be preached good and bad and warn of the consequences of the bad we choose to do ??????

Interesting Video----Is there any Agape shown here ----love your enemy or judge your enemy ----both sides feel they are right -----

Wretched: Tearful woman confronts open-air preacher.

Freedom of expression is supposedly true ... as long as you don't spead intelligent things ...

Authority doesn't like the common people to know what's been done ... could be detrimental ... and you know how authority feels about mental, soul and psyche things to be plugged up like that dike in Holland! S/heh was once know as psychic ... could read into myths ...

Present experts on myth don't believe myths are subtle expressions ...

Does that cause you a gyre UnSafe ... get you cranked ... the knowledge there is always someone out there that knows Moor?

Love God, Love Neighbor

I suggest that the love the sinner, hate the sin is a misuse when applied to lgbt as it incorrectly identifies a sin.

If though, we consider a sin, say, murder.

I can love the sinner, but hate the sin.  The best example of that in film was "Dead Man Walking".

I have mentored a woman in prison for killing her husband.  While there,  I met a woman who was there for murdering her child, another who was in for alcoholism / drug abuse (driving whie intoxicated and requested 2 years to get federal time), and others.    I was by no means equivalent to Dead Man Walking, but my goal was to treat them as people first.

Consider pride.

I can love the person who is prideful. Doesn't mean that I have to love the fact that they are full of boast.

so, yeah, the love the sinner, hate the sin works.  The challenge is when we disagree on what a sin is.

Now, in terms of loving your enemy.  I do my best not to have enemies.  

There are people that I don't like their behaviour.  Most times I can find something that i like about them.  I haven't considered anyone an enemy for a long long time, though there are folks whose behaviour pisses me off, and I do my best to avoid.

Are they my enemy?  umm, no.  

Are they someone who I don't waste time on, yup.

Shucks, even when I played wow  I didn't gank.  I am ust as likely to help someone who is alliance when I was horde, as I was to run past them.  I didn't like to see nayone die if they didn't need to.  Of course, i did get gank'd, but I didn't call in folks to gank back, though I did ask for an escort a couple of times.  

Being an enemy just takes way way too much energy

But the phrase is ruined. It is, to an entire generation and then some, linked to Christian bigotry against the LGBT community. I'm certainly not the only one who makes that connection immediately upon hearing it. It's like nails on a chalkboard by now.

As for what a sin is, it really doesn't matter - they're just a series of made-up rules meant to please a made-up deity. Yes, many sins are also terrible things, but some are absolutely nothing to worry about at all. To compare murder with, say, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, is ludicrous.

If we stopped caring about sins, the world doesn't get worse. If we stopped caring about others, it would.

You overstate your case when you say it is ruined for a generation.  

Sin is understood by individuals to be something immoral.  Yes, the basis in in the deity; however, like many words as we move away from a 1950's understanding of God, the language of sin has also shifted.

You can choose, Chansen to stay in the language of God which you have understand from your childhood or maybe from those fundamentalist preachers on sunday television shows.  That doesn't mean everyone does.

So, yes, if we stop caring about immoral acts the world does get worse.  Most immoral acts impact someone or something that we care about, they are doing damage and the act of doing them impact others.  So, I do care if someone abuses  a child, or beats a dog, or destroys the earth.  Those are immoral acts in my opinion.  

it isn't only about the humans.

There are other spirits called edifaces that show up as in the spirit of ...

Relax it is just appearance ...

Some don't believe such spiritual apparitions exist ...  ... if they never saw much of a smile when maturing from a child ... and thus the Levite demanded children ... they could giggle at light (c) stories from and ole phart off the wadis ... Gael a Lililian-ism?

Chaos of energy when applied to Lambda! Some don't believe in chaos theory or citi-conjectures ... as social planning! Then some over do IT! They like slums ... lower lights being guttered? Thats the way some people se of elimination ... like the souers of Paris .... pops up in myths all de time ... like Joan de L'arc ... she had to fight to exist in Paris at the time of raging re-publicanism! Such is the nature of un conscious ways ... when following wiles alone ...

We see "love the sinner, hate the sin" on this very site, used in horrible ways. This is not a position isolated to the worst corners of Christianity, or Sunday morning TV, or the posts of the few, the proud, the fundies.

This is an important point that UCCan'ers don't seem to get: Just as fundies do not speak for all of Christianity, neither do you. What's worse, your share of the Christian pie is shrinking. It's true that the pie itself is getting smaller, which makes the UCCan position all the more desperate.

However, it is also true that teh fundies are disproportionately vocal, while the UCCan and similar progressive denominations are rather quiet by nature. Some would call it "living their faith", but meanwhile, Christianity is getting horrible press. This is why I still say the UCCan and others would be well advised to do something shocking and come out against the hateful positions or policies of other churches, and be vocal about it. That would be something. That would be relevant. And of course, that will never happen.

And even before it was ruined by fundies, it wasn't very persuasive. It reduces others to "sinners" before you even finish the sentence. And, like I wrote before, "sinner" is now meaningless to a large percentage of the population. I can't think of a way to describe me that I would care less about. "Craig Hansen, sinner" ranks right up there with, "Craig Hansen, nemesis of Zod." I look at it with bemusement more than anything, and that's a growing position.

So, while no Christian messages are exactly resonating with believers or non-believers alike, "love the sinner, hate the sin" is now pretty much met with shudders. For reasons old and new.

Right, but we don't need the bible to tell us what is immoral. Some sins are not immoral, and the bible doesn't give us criteria by which to place sins in any sort of hierarchy of immorality that we would recognize as reasonable today.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

 - Edmund Burke (disputed)

Sexism aside, it is now obvious that we need people to speak out against many different religious-based positions. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is one of those positions that people recognize needs to be opposed, and had very limited use in the first place.

I don't think it was Jesus that coined the phrase, "Love the sinner, hate the sin", it was Ghandhi, although in principal Jesus did request us to "sin no more". The problem is that alot of people do not distinguish what they do in life as a "sin", it becomes part of their identity, so the phrase them becomes, "hate the sin, hate the sinner". To further complicate this we aren't very good at defining "sin". Some would rather define Homosexuality as sin, rather than love.

Jesus was often seen forming relationships with sinners, but he wasn't silent about the need to stop sinning either. Perhaps our language of today would not refer to something as "sin" because it communicates an immorality that we are not comfortable with, yet we are aware of certain paths that do lead to a destructiveness to our very nature and culture. What would we call that? Should we even have a desire to become more through love?

You must reeeeeally work at ignoring the are anti-homosexual parts of the bible. Hey, I think you've come to a moral conclusion....but the other side has scripture, too. And to the non-Christian, their side looks more plausible, in terms of what the authors, translators and editors of the bible were trying to get at. Yes, it's an immoral position, but the bible takes some immoral positions. Nothing new there.

As for what is "sin", it's a useless term, so people tend not to care as much anymore.

I have no idea what this means.

Which begs the question, "are there universal truths?"

Okay, could have been worded it differently. :) Basically, is there a higher goal to aspire to? Is that goal achieved by loving others? Is correction necessary? Who amongst us is qualified to discern this?

Waterfall - There are Universal Laws.

I quote:

Here Are The 12 Universal Laws:

1) The Law of Oneness:

This Law explains that everything in this world is connected to everything else. Anything we believe, think, do, or say affects the world and the universe around us.

2) Law of Energy or Vibration:

This Law describes that everything in the Universe vibrates. This law holds true in every aspect of life. Vibration is in the physical world, within our thoughts, feelings, desires, and dreams. Every vibrational frequency has a unique vibration.

3) The Law of Action:

Action brings results, manifesting different results, depending upon our thoughts, dreams, emotions, and words. Therefore, we must engage in actions that support those thoughts, dreams, emotions and words.

4) The Law of Correspondence:

This Law places us in the drivers’ seat of our own life. Your outer world will be a direct reflection of your inner world, accepting responsibility for your life. This law takes us out of the victim role making us the sole creator of our own life.

5) Law of Cause and Effect:

This Law states that nothing happens by chance or outside the Universal Laws. For this law we look at every action. This is because every action has an appropriate reaction. This law means we have to take responsibility for every that happens in our lives. Every action has a reaction or consequence and we “reap what we have sown.”

6) The Law of Compensation:

This Law is an arm from Cause and Effect being applied to abundance and blessings that come into our lives. Compensation is the visible effects of our deeds; it can show up as gifts, money, friendships, or any other blessing given to us due to our actions.

7) Law of Attraction:

This Law creates things, events, and people that come into our lives, through our thoughts, feelings, words, and actions. All these thoughts and actions are energy that we place out to the world attracting like energies. In other words placing a negative energy out to the world will attract other negative energies and putting out a positive energy will attract other positive energies.

8) Law of Perpetual Transmutation of Energy:

As energy we all have the power to change any condition in our lives. Producing a higher vibration consumes and transforms lower ones. This means we can change the energies in our lives by understanding the Universal Laws and applying their principles that will produce change.

9) Law of Relativity:

Each of us will receive a series of situations to strengthen the energy within us. This law gives us the ability to stay connected to our hearts when proceeding to solve the situations. This law also teaches us that if we compare our problems to other peoples’ problems it will place everything into its proper perspective. No matter how bad we perceive our situation, there is always someone who is in a more difficult position, making it all relative.

10) Law of Polarity:

This Law states that everything has an opposite. Light has to have dark in order to understand each. If we change an undesirable thought by concentrating on the opposite thought, brings a desirable change.

11) Law of Rhythm:

This Law describes to us that everything vibrates and moves to a rhythm. Each rhythm establishes seasons, cycles, stages of development, and patterns. Each cycle reflects the regularity of God’s universe. To master rhythm you must rise above any negative parts of a cycle.

12) Law of Gender:

This Law is the Yin (feminine) and Yang (masculine) of life, making them the basis for all creation. As spiritual beings we must balance the masculine and feminine energies within ourselves to become a true co-creator with God.

12 laws

http://lightworkers.org/blog/70811/the-12-universal-laws

7 universal laws

http://www.mind-your-reality.com/seven_universal_laws.html#Part_2

20 laws - forgotten laws

http://www.one-mind-one-energy.com/universal-laws.html

Chansen, we see all sorts of words used in horrible ways towards people.  We also see phrases used inappropriately.  If we were to cease using words or phrases that were used inappropriately or even vilely, well, we would surely run out of words, we would also give the power over to those who are twits, ignorant or stupid.

The language of "sin" is still around us.  Do a search of popular culture for movies / books, you will find it.  Shucks, Las Vegas was known as sin city, maybe even still is, so , yes, it is releavant.

Regarding it being a bad idea...again I disagree.

If I were to throw out everything that was misrepresented by the right, then I would have not much left, whether it be democracy or my faith.  I am not willing to give them that power.  You may say we , in the liberal, progressive or left arenas do a bad job of selling ourselves, maybe so.  

It could also be that some folks would rather here the negative, the inflammatory, and so tune out the reasonable.

It makes sense, after all Harper's ads work,and they are also aimed at those who like cursory analysis

"we would surely run out of words, we would also give the power over to those who are twits, ignorant or stupid"-------de void of thought?

Oh my Pinga, you have cut or touched a thin red line to some alien (Cable/Kabel) part of me. Imagine a dumb nation that you could terrorize into following you ... and thus make one's elf into a stone 'Ere (Eire; the fixed edifice of psyche) Blarney Stone ... as Caesar did to the limited known world of the time by eliminating all people of any intelligent power. (watch SPARTACUS as an Icon of the Ape-EON Whe 've processing; Apian Way?) There is only one way of doing this ... the exclusive use of fear and hate. Observe really charismatic peoples and how their toss (role) determinates of this sort of the population ... like the fear of "growing old and depleted of life". Nothing remains in the December Bride but thoughts, one kohl'ass when you see it going! Is the ass catagorical in stories of gods?

Perhaps it is not that bad if you find life is the chits (comes in starvation bits) a sort of virtual language as given from artifical intelligence forms (we need these to substitute for people trained in un-thinking powers). There is an expression for twinning in ancient tongues that would be good here (but I've forgotten) so I'll just use bifurcated, abba'd, or divine as that separate thought from the emotional single/mono ediface (Thank you GEO for reminding me of that one, what would I do without you as a prode of my mind ... a type of goad/gode/gothe in some terms).

Unthinking ... the rebound power of unlimited wiles ... sort of Canan on reflection that one could express as the Cyrillic khe (Җ)? Is there any better icon of light bouncing off a vertical wall of water like the maid of the mists (Niagara, Victoria, Angel falls)? But if you are driven to be anti Semite, or Iconoclast will you cultivate such talents of seeing what emotional power would rather you not ... understanding mysteries of emotional corruption ... free wiles without that imaginary "i"? In dire metaphor this is conscience ... which is un conscionable to those wishing to do what they wile with their lessor neigbours.

And God wiles that to people carrying this singular power (wile) should eliminate the lessor of 2 evils (russeling crowe) that be the subtle thinking portion ... and the devil will regain his thoughts ... as loaned to you to assist you through the republican world ... that belongs to gods in their own rites ...

But you can't say this in Rome ... you must do as the Romans do ... create chaos esse of fear and anger ... vertical to this is curiosity and Joey  leading to Joey full curiosity when the two have been un-bifurcated or lost the divine state so they can think as one ... why mankind has a brain of two 'aves ... so a mortal can figure on how to fuse them sufficiently to blow right through this place as an un seen ediface ... one of those vorticees on either perspective of the Roman Caduces ... simulating Janus ... a well-Pairsed mind or well versed in tongues ... remember if you follow the divine pathe ... you will be persecuted as a processer that's got IT together (Ecclesia? that's questionable)!

Thus the unthinking gods won't get you ... only thinking dai'mons ... could we call this an imaginary escape from the power of an abstract god (abstract; incomplete)? Did the Caesars have something missing? Then why do anthropologists try and figure out whether the Caesar's were pathological or psycho-pathis when only a thin red line separates the two kinds of edifice ... nothing short of two-faced comedy or the tragedy of mankind ... purely self destructive as a god ... as only the devil knows ... Heiseinberg ... one must get beyond ones' elf to know anything! That's an out-of-'ere thought, reinforcing WEBSTER's definition of intellect ... rarely seen in the higher places of mankind!

"It makes sense, after all Harper's ads work, and they are also aimed at those who like cursory analysis" is this discursive or discouraging through fear of the god we know versus the god we don't. The curse of not thinking or not raising a pen to write a word of understanding against Harper's fear mongering. There are some strange Maxims that say the penne is more powerful than saying it ... for people are exen more frightened of things writ by gods that are intended to create chaos ... except for those that understand what gods are up to. It is a mire thought to god-like apparitions ... spiritual edi-Faces of the other kind ... sometimes referred to as ET ... a vertical edifice like a primal tree in the mental swamp (Goshin)! This is found on the delta of an imaginary land ... Egypt. Can you believe it?

There are two things a mortal needs for the pilgrimage out of this filthy point we're in:

• Open heart
• Open mind

Related to the Greek Letter "psi" which counters the letter "phi" which encounters the integral the Hebrew letter shin ... the bone of contention separating men from getting to the bottom line situation ... the dead soul (sole) of what all this arrises from as and edifice to Earth ... the only natural foundation we have while Eire ... at least until we KISS the Blarny Stone goöð-bi in the oöchi goochi Dan's ... and then you're gone! Crazi? You bet, but have you looked around for intelligence down here? Difficult to find a' bi! "When in Rome ..." at least give the appearance so you'll be a alien as the norm ...

You really believe this world is sane without balanced edification ... the spirits of the mind ... in white and black (abstract) that sits right afore your eye's (I'z) as aphorism ... that which has passed as a lesson and denied by those living in the presence ... or presently. But alas you can't explain this to those stuck in this sort of denial; they're like institutionalized in  eunoch sort of way ... somnolent to all that passes and pas 'd, or SanTae in another tongue that is understood as healthy ... why one should span some ancient vales ... like Karrie ... or as the ancient Goths say ... Valcarion ... like egos ... determined to see de Moor, or ÀMoor just as you wish it. Understanding the Desiratas is a rough/ruagh journey, as you have to look very deep! The Dark Hole appearance ... as a weird edifice or things unseen from this side. Some appear to have had fringe experiences ... sometime called OBI's on the definitive NDEs ...

Sorry GEO ... for being out of IÐ ... it was simply to help people along in their desires of "passion alone" in the satisfying their free wiles ... and thus thought is th'unque to be out-of-IT! Follows directly from 1 Corinthians 14:1 so the religious leaders of Rome could keep the people (demos) out of business they took possession of by power of wile alone ... some other grandios exegetes took this same pathè without a rod or stick for balance ... they fell to the one-sided approach and destruction ... the Pi tz, or the pithy part of the myth as Pisces! The central issue in the rheid ( an alein word to those not doing etude in GEO LOGOS the imagination of a earthy, or mire god as insubstatial; internecine?).

That's my WORD for tao deis ... as a person with a syndrome centred of Levite ... illuminati? Some call it a geZus affinity like Ig want tae a cold blooded critter searching out the sun ... a primal urge? Does this demi-urge or go abba'd when caught rye in the field, like "if a bodei see a bodie ..." run-neLL in de rye ...

SPARTACUS--One of those Roman fitghters.

No, again AirClean, you have totally missed the mark! The Bull'Çi was avoided as mol loch entire ... some say Molly completely ... but if you don't know the ancient mol' you won't grasp this modern apocalyse (flash of cognizance in a world that would rather keep you stupid; naive)! The stories built up about this wisdom-stupid-ite ankh are complex ... did you know that "-ite"is an old Icon for alloying, connection or tyre of communication of cyclic wisdom? Words of myth ar like that purely emotional sorts ... find this hard to grip! It is har to ham-Eire ath aught into a stone're.

1 Corinthians 14:1 in response to the first command about God as Love ... follow, don't lead with things you know little of ... and if you don't know your emotions ... your spirit is in a state of dissociation. This defines hermeneutic ... if you have ever wondered about following black and white UFOS! You might need a pathological psychologist to heal improper learnings about everything that is, was, or becoming ... I believe HG Wells nailed this down as a Pi't man that simulated de Nus; he entraped people with myths!

Perhaps Luke 12:15 will be of assistance to your apocalyptic experience of the abstract of God ... you are not in control ... let the greater emotion (fecund or gravid spirit) lead ... it is dark like the abstract of the heart ... Joseph Conrad! In intergral form this is a complex situation that is not resolved in association with a simple religion of faith. It is a matter or questioning ... knocking on doors as a dore muse ... but according to Roman Law Pagans are not to know this. What are Pagans? Ones enslaved by Roman BS that get pede-eL'd down through the ages as free wiles. A proper love always has restriction and reverence for the smallest of things ... like the point in the archtypical "X" ... do you know "chi" ,,, something perhaps you should be familiar of ... it's ambiguous presentations. That's like a spectre or an edifying experience of meeting the spirit head on when it turns on you with the point ... a prickly, or thorning issue! Mortals are too proud about this point to let on any familiarity.

Since I have little faith you will look into anything non-spiritual ... like soul business (learning) a sort of abstract edification (shades of the bottom line message on spirit alone) I will reveal this to you, but you probably won't believe it.

Just in case ...

• Spar-Taxis (Latin expression of the Anglification) is the crossing of a devoid soul ... with a spirit of knowledge that somebody cared for him and wasn't running about anxiously sending people off to a false "eL". Taxis is also a word for river, flo' or Maas in this case with upright spars ... or sticks like buoys. Spartacus found a true path and died to allow his love freedom and his love child as well. It goes against what Spartacus represents to Crassus in the movie; greed, avarice in the truest form ... Crasus tried to take Spatacus sense of "knowing" love by crucifying it in two ways ... killing Sparacus and enslaving Veriana, but Gracus freed hUR and the child and took his own life. In any mannar a Pagan Slave of Rome learned to know beta and physically and soulfully escaped the eagle (rapture) in myth. That's the myth turned inside out.

Do you know how many modern Christian (X-tiy'n) forms are adverse to knowing the abstract, myth, the Dark Hue of God when his castoffs (scat) are ruaghly used by supposedly single-minded following of wiles? This in myth is known as soul phoqah ... somecall it brain fuc* or plae'n with LOGOS ... if you ignore LOGOS' need to be exercised ... you could become ignored or innocent of the underflow of the myth ... a eternal understanding that goes on and on like the myth of Veriana ... an obscure form of psyche. But under Roman Law I wasn't to teach you this as a slave to Romanticism ... so keep it discrete À-Bi!

To avoid people knowing this express it inpo' ET-IC Imagination ... since real people don't believe in imagination not that associative portion of mind (abstract) you'll leave then in the dark about you passions ... now I like devilish thinkers (a Roman evaluation). Later Romaand admitted there was salvation in de Light, Levite, Lam, Lambda, etc as a Leviathan dilemma of resolution of what's LOGOS.

Creation made this complex ... so if you wished it simple it could be ... although it appears not in my mindful apparitions! You can chose Occums Rule if you wish ... thus proof of free wile ... and you can wittle down complexity however you desire ... be prepared for the Anal Sis though ... chi'z out there as exterior constitution, not one carved out by man ... such things are hard-core ...

Hi WaterBuoy----Your post--

Perhaps Luke 12:15 will be of assistance to your apocalyptic experience of the abstract of God ...

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Airclean-- Oh yes ,but be sure to thank GOD for all He has given you.For God knows your needs.

Air Clean you have no ideas about my needs, and what I know, and I have no doubts that you wouldn't wish to know these things (a knowledgeable man of de-focus/broad-mined being dangerous psyche?) you appear fixated and stoic ... and it is hard for "a' stone" to pick up knowledge from a down tree! What's a down-tree? That's for me to know and you to learn ... remember the Prodigal Quest IONs!

If you look into the hart and sol' of the greater unconsciousness of mortals ... it is depressing (note 1) like the mother of God left out there in the streets (çiti-Eire) naked as a Jah Bird and few mortals notice ... they just wish not to know (it's biblical you know ... how mortals avoid complex wisdom). Para belles are appropriate although the pious considers them devilish, or at least metamorphical ... satyrs in truth?

They like it Simple --- Occums Rule as derived from the deeper portions of the occi-pede-aL sectors of mind ... and you know how Christians feel about people with wee minds of their own; something to be put down ... and thus diminishing intellect in this world as I see it. Why? Just because someone of huge avarice wished to control the whole thing. You know the deeper meaning of avarice ... just is hidden in LOGOS ... that's the WORD, stuff that feeds souls! When the deed is accomplished ... starving out the souls ... do we approach a mindless social order? Heavenly Eire-Headness?

Is a mindless social order dissonant, sort of like "Ares" when awakening from the desires ... somnolence. Air Clean ... how big is the sea of available WORD to mortals? Does this make sense when parsed as: "understand the tongues of all men"? What is the resolution to this dilemma?

I find it has whetted my soul for the beyond (myth, outlander sources) and I am no longer fixed on the subjective case of not-knowing ... I have an infinite objective ... and thus I appear out-of-here to EU. Proves Leo Buscaglia's conjecture about:

• A man that prae's is needy (and missing something)
• A'mon that god speaks to is crazy (in mortal terms as they wished not to know God).

This may be an alternate dissonance (crazy stir) as cosmological ae-sterre the mir fabrication of earthy things as dirt that fell out of heaven. Keeps the low life giggling ... always remember if you keep digging in well-rounded dimensions ... you always come out on the other's ID as the occidental people working their way towards the oriental expression. Such things are cyclical over a 27,000 year span --- timaeus! Such is the amaeu-sin ways you can't see ... hinted at by Jeremiah 7:23 ... but people believe the 23 just pops up by co-incidence in space. That could be the dimension of mind as it too is complex ... but perhaps just an Icon to keep it out of minds yet numbi from the trip thro' de Nus ... In Spartacus she was plae'd by Neriana, a spelt Eire! So knowledge could be hid inde satyrs ... as Gods prefer not thoughts ... consider the Caesars and other olig*arches, who desired their subjects be kept illiterate!

(Note 1) Check out Proverbs 1:8, 18, 18:1 and Ecclesiastes 1:18 on the state of wisdom in mortal authority ... like the devil it is best to be an understudy in subtleties .. in church lingo often called underhanded ... as notes of what isn't known being passed as heiros gamma (sacred wisdom)! Isn't that a bloody awesome a'crude conference (by conventionn of mankind). Have I confused you? I hope so you wouldn't like to know what I know ... it is sad and sadistic as Sarah was to Abraeham ... the head woman!

Do I speak in para-bleus .. why not modernized Christians do? They have been converted to wants and desires not "as need being the case"! They believe no one else needs anything ... but faith in the imaginary and then tell us the abstract doesn't exist. What colour is the LOGOS in your bible AIRClean ... you did know that Black is abstract? Is every mortal a wee Black Hole considering they're generally not very bright in'ere? There are exceptions and I'm still on the seeker's pilgrimage ... a vast journey in which every person is encouraged to keep a Log!

With conflicts of perspective ... the ultimae soul will remains cloaked ... until mortals can get it together. At present they can't even agree on the infinite nature of the conflict on the physical side ... a point well-taken on the other side as that damned spot ... humours God's dark side while his lighter side is out and about ... almost like WEBSTER defines intellect (just-out-of-'ere)! Such is delight on the presence situation when viewed from outlander's points that could be below yah ...

You keep dictating AC and I'll stir ...

Hi WaterBuoy-- You posted--

Is a mindless social order dissonant, sort of like "Ares" when awakening from the desires ... somnolence. Air Clean ... how big is the sea of available WORD to mortals? Does this make sense when parsed as: "understand the tongues of all men"? What is the resolution to this dilemma?

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Airclean--The tongues of mortals is not that which you should seek. But the Tongues of Gods which is a gift to those who follow.That we all speak in one tongue once again.

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WaterBuoy--Post--

I find it has whetted my soul for the beyond (myth, outlander sources) and I am no longer fixed on the subjective case of not-knowing ... I have an infinite objective ... and thus I appear out-of-here to EU. Proves Leo Buscaglia's conjecture about:

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Airclean-- There is no myth of outlander sources. For GOD has come in to help those who would follow.

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WaterBouy--

• A man that prae's is needy (and missing something)
• A'mon that god speaks to is crazy (in mortal terms as they wished not to know God).

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Airclean --Yes W-B Mankind has been missing  a part out themselfs. That being GOD.

Yes again  .A man who speaks to GOD is thought of as crazy. Befor Christ man could not know or understand GOD.  All but a few could not even hear HIM.

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Airclean---Why would you miss 1;7----

Note you do not start with Knowledge. But with fear of the LORD.

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WaterBouy--Do I speak in para-bleus .. why not modernized Christians do? They have been converted to wants and desires not "as need being the case"! They believe no one else needs anything ... but faith in the imaginary and then tell us the abstract doesn't exist. What colour is the LOGOS in your bible AIRClean ...

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Airclean--What colour ? God can be any colour. What colour is a rainbow?

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WaterBouy--With conflicts of perspective ... the ultimae soul will remains cloaked ... until mortals can get it together. At present they can't even agree on the infinite nature of the conflict on the physical side

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Airclean--The phsical or flesh has no meaning to God , it is lost. Your Spirit is a part of GOD and though Christ Jesus you are saved  . Your Spirit will rtecive a new Gowen not made from earth. These things are the way I see them .You may not , thats fine for only GOD knows all things .

"the physical flesh has no meaning to god(s) own?"

Then God created mankind for (H)Erse a'muse-ment? Why the Celtic spirit goes on and on ... S(Moor); highlanders and downs and a wee mediium that processes as integral! Such creates Muse esse ... you did know that "esse" is indicative of god esse antes sort of flimsey indications to confuse those that really don't wish to know much! Then much of God (everything) is eliminated or shunned in templar motes ... modes? Is that a mote in yer "i" eye see?

The spiritutual array of man as a rainbow ... is gods? Then why does part of this creation hate the other and demand it go to eL/eLLe? So it will see the LIGHT of de LOGOS (indu wormhole, in the East Tao's Aðar) which is the word ... and the understanding of it in any complexity is unseen by many that would prefer OCCUM's Edge ... a simple slice of IT? Well 'eLLes ß'eLs the secondary creation of God's mother'n ... mankind! Now that may have been a mindless operation ... without proper environment, "sur" ... rounded out? Thus the top (big Sur, or Soeur) has a Sus (Sous) Mate and then the con summation begins to integrate in sects of sybiling rivalry that extends backward to mother-father conflicts that includes Christ in conflict with that meddling command about respecting the mother and father of God ... the Christ say in one spot if you don't love them, then another if you don't hate eM ... Jesus ... he lights scattered all ova dis place. In which case one should be aware of de light storm ... but we tend not as creatures of darkness preferring not to know much!

Now in conflict with this conception (birth) of cognizance of the complexity of it all is the battle between God's emotions and intellect (wisdom?) ... it appears the harder bunch would settle (phall-a-Ci?) as a stone on God's state of numbi-Ness ... what Kant called the numinous of man as a standout in the cosmos as example of naivêté (never forget the lost dislectics/dislexiç! This is the un conscious facter, or sector of S'X ... a mind blowin episode when the çeph*ante is obseved as distant point! It is a poorly understood point as Lon-Jivi-US in the Dan's! If you bounce enough about this you'll end up on the other side of the downs; a Moor-ish myth-Eire!

Bet you didn't wish to hear that... so you don't ... you can read it in silence ... that's the way LOGOS works ... like word plae in the psyche ... a thing denied by the ultra pious and sent to 'eL/'eLLe for recharge from time to  time ... Based on Matthew 5:22 and spiritual foolishness and all. You see there are two spirits AirClean and the irrational side denies any rationality as they worship pure emotions ... a dangerous route that created physical existance to get such people out of God's abstracts ... her*eM's imagination (with following hermeneutic)? What's an eutic? sort of like a bump in the night ... the pitz if you are on the receptive end ... which is objective! Those subjugated to self-centered egos can't see that far a' fore them, and thus don't absorb aforeisms ... or strange Maxims that became to be understood as para bles. Real emotionally intent people do not settle down to fig Ure oneM! This god as LOGOS is unfathomable tuem as tomes ... books created with man with great doubt (did amaes) because of lack of understanding of the depth in'ere as it was writ. Thus unconscious po' ethe IX as nein ... something made from nothing is generally abstract of dark a permiated with infinite humis, humur, or other leg bones to fill out the skeleton of the myth. This comes to yah when you learn a suffis of word ...

Nonetheless as a dual spirit (Latin Ka-deuses as assisted by the Egyptian Ka, sort of like eD'mist, or edifying) my work is word plae within that flat out area of the unconscious soul ... that many spiritual people deny .. and thus don't know about. It is circular work that includes the linear and the cyclic as descibed in the Greek Pi ... from which an excellent movie was made describing the storms at Zea there ... and cats with stripes ... because they operate in intuition alone ... except in exceptional conditions ... where the emotions alone must struggle with wisdom ... or intellect if you will ... or so thus it beits me or you may say so be-IT if you accept simple things ... that are often not rational and thus a larger ration of wisdom is buried in myth ... and non-thinkers don't go that deep into the abstract-Sion; the flat out ... sort of like LOGOS presentation, or incarnation if you wish. Literacy is not much encouraged in the temple.

God help us what if the common people (pagans & heathens) could process the infinite on their own? Pious authority would be out of work as they would be limited in their pilgrimage into the infinite wisdom of phar*oude spatial things ... thus the rare incidence ot the Christian wonderer, Kabaleistic and Sufi-tic-kated scholars on iteration ... that you can reiterate as rhettoric to no end and they will refuse to learn of the alien, strange and foreign. Considering that what's out there is mostly unknown to us ... is that deteminate of the naivêté of manking (given I'm told I can't say stupid) as this is cynical ... and no constructive cynicism is allowed by religious law to protect naive authority. We seem to have a lot of that no? Last week I spoke thro' a hospitality executive and they said some people south of the border used their employees like myrrh dirt ... and didn't know how this reflected on their prime sense of freedom for all.

It appears some sharing of responsibility for the coming obvious mental-emotional blowout will be expected from powers well removed from the situation ... extract from a Heiseinberg comment to the tune: "there are stranger things out there than mortals can even conceive of imaginatively". Robert Service re iterated this but what pious hoo'ð believes in "iterations" or infinite comebacks?. Really physically enlightened peopl believe there are no co-incidences or consequences to anything we do from the heart ... no matter how evil that desire is!

Did you know that N Fryre  spoke of meta*literations that could be translated into metal aphorisms and used to print pluralized copy of old thoughts? These could be parallel indication of thought as cast in antimoni alloys (-ites) or just strange ways of prividing indications of the processing soul ... something that isn't (used that is) when a person depends on emotions alone (leading to burning of tomes). Provides for a thin existence of non-existential rationales ... that's the LOGOS for yah ... or just so much in a pile a words that emotional brutes would call chit. Not much has really changed since the Macedonian and Roman examples of brutish mental activities and making way for subtle existence of stinking thinkers and places to put them ... the hindermost PEWS ... speak of the asç-end ion of God in a flash (flask?) of apocalypse!  

Without a great maas of words you won't understand me AirClean because of my fouled mind with a' vocation of plae'n wit' word ... simple religious tendencies hate IT!

You have to excuse how things are spelt I often revert to older forms as a flash back to older wisdoms ... I believe they had something on the use of hospitality to all things ... inclusive of God as a LOGOS incarnation!

Why do I do this? Well simply I find most people (paradim, eM or common averge Jo' or John) simply do not wish to alter their emotional minds ... so I speak to that thing inside that rests ... un-consciously ... in people that truly believe they know aL! It is an overhead loaded for phallis -E ... an old incarnate letter as Icon of energy .. something unseen ... as is the lack of it ...

Much energy is expendedin the exchange of information .. even if done unconsciously as in S"X! Why, potentially, God made it that way ... who would know for sure? And thus God became an unknown too as very extensive ...

Many mortals can't get over this point and thus the incarnation of the concept of Sisyphus and the elimination from the business of brother hood ... thus women have to hunt for their sexuality ... as men appeared to prefer it hidden ... as they couldn't control theirs ... especially when in a brutal bullish state without Q'Luçe ...

It is a dilemma worth pondering ... or using those damned thoughts ... in prior elimination ... when the monks didn't have to mess around thereas they were having too much phun with LOGOS ... an interventional method of dealing with excess sex? What would that be in an overly emotional dimension? Obviously extracting ... or getting you out 've there ... could be pure satyr though!

Is it weird how mortals have to converse with god that is scattered all about them in bodies that are not aware of how the un-conscious portion of God become wizened?

It appears these people are crazy and talking to their'self ... and perhaps they are ... how would we know when knowledge is oppressed by the religious in pious fixed modes ... thus they can't learn anything about Gods dark side which is a wisdom deeper than they think ... sort of like unknowns in deep space. Some people believe we learned all there is to be known. Boy have they a shock coming ...

They know absolutely nothing about god(s) ole (de Nus) lying in myth emotionally flaming ... in an attempt for freedom ... als respstricted by church's attitude towards heiros gamma ... sacred wisdom that they don't even know they carry on the naivete of mankind!

Is that strange or what? Ever been captivated in a myth? Some are real crappy some are haute ... many just purely misunderstood ... these I work at as mine-child' splayed and crucified ... to the freedom of learning ... gotta admit due to the interference of powerful and rich men ... it can be a pain forward ... and they don't see it coming back at eM! Everything does in that impulsive incident with your presently eliminated sol' ... something you should gather in! Sort of like sheep ... quite h'Eire ... as Jesus said ... parallel universe sass yet unseen!

It is a profound and pit EIS ful comment often ignored by prior conditioning of the whole population of isolated thinking without a clue on conventional un-conscious Ness!

One should ask; what is convention ... when considering so much isolated data ... stray intellect?

Will what's unknown as wisdom come to get us? We are told not to fear these things. Now what do you suppose is under that sort of comment ? Perhaps just another squirmy thought ... even see a brain laid out? Looks sort of like a hag phesh ... pehaps hagideis?

Hi WaterBouy--Your post-

the physical flesh has no meaning to god(s) own?"

Then God created mankind for (H)Erse a'muse-ment? Why the Celtic spirit goes on and on ... S(Moor); highlanders and downs and a wee mediium that processes as integral! Such creates Muse esse ... you did know that "esse" is indicative of god esse antes sort of flimsey indications to confuse those that really don't wish to know much! Then much of God (everything) is eliminated or shunned in templar motes ... modes? Is that a mote in yer "i" eye see?

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Airclean--Eye them be yee thinking my God knows not what He does?Are you too some kind of God?That can make such a thought?

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 waterBouy--The spiritutual array of man as a rainbow ... is gods? Then why does part of this creation hate the other and demand it go to eL/eLLe? So it will see the LIGHT of de LOGOS (indu wormhole, in the East Tao's Aðar) which is the word ... and the understanding of it in any complexity is unseen by many that would prefer OCCUM's Edge ... a simple slice of IT? Well

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Airclean--Have yee no understanding ?Do you not know GOD has said . We are at war"?

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WaterBouy--

Now in conflict with this conception (birth) of cognizance of the complexity of it all is the battle between God's emotions and intellect (wisdom?) ... it appears the harder bunch would settle (phall-a-Ci?) as a stone on God's state of numbi-Ness ... what Kant called the numinous of man as a standout in the cosmos as example of naivêté (never forget the lost dislectics/dislexiç! This is the un conscious facter, or sector of S'X ... a mind blowin episode when the çeph*ante is obseved as distant point! It is a poorly understood point as Lon-Jivi-US in the Dan's! If you bounce enough about this you'll end up on the other side of the downs; a Moor-ish myth-Eire!

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Airclean-- Ey The moors would not be, a good place to find ones self in battle.Understanding comes from Wisdom. Wisdom comes from GOD.

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WaterBouy--Bet you didn't wish to hear that... so you don't ... you can read it in silence ... that's the way LOGOS works ... like word plae in the psyche ... a thing denied by the ultra pious and sent to 'eL/'eLLe for recharge from time to  time ... Based on Matthew 5:22 and spiritual foolishness and all. You see there are two spirits AirClean

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Airclean--Yes WaterBouy I understand there are two Spirits. The Spirit I follow Is GOD of Christ Jesus . The other belongs to a would be god the is on this earth now. It has traped the flesh of man . It wishes to bring down Mankinds spirit. But has been defeated by GODS Christ.

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Airclean --We but to accept this fact to be saved.

All GLORY IS GODS.

Alas, yes AirClean ...  and some of us will wrestle like thinking daemons (Jah Qobs)to know and see some sparks at the end of the tunnel ...

Big Bad John ... the darker hues attract the light better! Did you know that AirClean ... it is scientific ... you may have avoided this intentionally as a bit of Christian irrationality about observing and seeing things presiously unseen ... like hole Cats or Katerines!

What's an Erine? There's something even religious sorts chase ... sometimes not too discretely! They have their own private phallacies ... and other that arn't so private ... public thorns they be ...

Alas ... it is just a state of mind ... like heaven ... and these people set the mind aside and work irrationally ... without sol' ... as Sachmo said; "if you have to ask you don't got nun ..."

Perhaps if we do have mind we should share what's in it ... delicately now for some don't wish to know anything (little more everything)  God causes them some consternation ... that's like Ankh ... and then it snowed ... cooled the haute ...

It appears to be a cyclic process ... sort of comes and goes like emotions and intelligence ... autonomously? What's a Mous lee? Look behind yah .. sometimes appears shadowy and feint ... if you are too garishly dressed out in spirit and free of any rational intelligence! thiscould lead to the reverse of Too Many Parties into Too Many Polities as extremely mediumistic pas 'n ... as mellow'n in de whines ...