I see there is confusion in regards to the virgin birth and the Messianic prophecy, i hope this thread clears up a few issues people have with the 'understanding'
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here is a post from a user,
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If Christ had Joseph as his biological father, then Christ was not God, and so not the Christian version of the Messiah
If Christ was born of a virgin Mary, whose womb was "quickened by God, then Christ was not of the lineage of David, and therefore not the Hebrew version of the Messiah.
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lets first look at these verses.
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I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
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But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived
in her is of the Holy Ghost.
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so now we consider the Messianic prophecy is true, so whos 'flesh' lineage do we look at in regards to Jesus.
Marys'
as in Mary's dads lineage to David
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i am sharing that Marys lineage is to David too,
Jesus was born from a virgin being concieved of the Holy Ghost
as it says in the scriptures.
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if the concept is still difficult, please ask yourself this
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did you think that the Messiah would be born of a virgin MALE?
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so now we can understand this passage and his question.
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41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
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and now we can begin to understand this verse, and many many many more.
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I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
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stephenb2012 (not verified)
Posted on: 01/31/2011 17:58
erased
dreamerman
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:20
Sb2012 it sounds just as likely that the Messiah could be born of a virgin male as he could be born of a virgin female. Surely if the holy ghost could impregnate a virgin female could he not do likewise with a virgin male?
Hell if Arnie could get pregnant who knows what could happen.
Witch
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:31
So has anyone had any really good pumpkin pie lately?
GordW
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:32
no such thing Witch.
But years ago I had some really nice pumpkin cheesecake
redbaron338
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:38
Had a slice about a month ago...pumpkin pie was, well, adequate... but the whipped cream was terrific.
Witch
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:39
Pumpkin cheesecake....hmmmmmmm....
Sounds like a concept worth exploring over the course of 20 or so posts.
Please describe it for me Gord, in stupifyingly precise detail.
GordW
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:41
oh it was over a decade ago. all I really remember wasa pumpkin and chocolate
qwerty
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:50
Do you have to get pumpkin pie filling in cans or can you get the filling in some other way?
GordW
Posted on: 01/31/2011 23:57
well technically you can make it from a pumpkin if you have a reciped (and know what you are doing)
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 00:25
You can make a passable "pumpkin" pie from any sweet winter squash too.
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 11:38
You can make a passable "pumpkin" pie from any sweet winter squash too.
I made some pies from the hubbard squash I grew. I liked it a lot better then pumpkin pie. It was tasty.
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 11:41
well technically you can make it from a pumpkin if you have a reciped (and know what you are doing)
It's easy. Cut up the pumpkin and stick it in the oven until it's cooked a soft. If the skin is still on scrape it off, if you cut it off in the first place mush it.
Now you have pumpkin filling like you can get in a can.
lastpointe
Posted on: 02/01/2011 11:44
be careful not to buy pumpkin pie filling. Instead buy canned pumpkin. then add your own stuff.
stokelys is a good brand
and real whip cream of course
blackbelt
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:00
Pumpken pie , and beer ,
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
blackbelt
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:11
Hey Here is a cut and paste, for thouse who want to take Pumpken out of Pie, please read,,,,
2 2eggeggs
1 1can (14 oz/398 ml) can (14 oz/398 ml)pumpkin purée
1 1can (300 ml) can (300 ml)sweetened condensed milk
1/2 1/2cup cup(125 mL) (125 mL) packed brown sugar
1 1tsp tsp(5 mL) (5 mL) cinnamon
1/2 1/2tsp tsp(2 mL) (2 mL) salt
1/4 1/4tsp tsp(1 mL) (1 mL) ground cloves
1/4 1/4tsp tsp(1 mL) (1 mL) ground ginger
1/4 1/4tsp tsp(1 mL) (1 mL) ground nutmeg
1 19-inch (23 cm) 9-inch (23 cm)unbaked pie shellpie shells
In large bowl, beat eggs; blend in pumpkin, condensed milk, sugar, cinnamon, salt, cloves, ginger and nutmeg. Pour into pie shell.
Bake in 425°F (220°C) oven for 15 minutes; reduce heat to 375°F (190°C) and bake for about 35 minutes longer or until pastry is golden and knife inserted into centre comes out clean. Let cool on rack.
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:13
You guys are getting me hungry. Pumpkin pie's my favourite!
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:49
I remember an episode of The Frugal Gourmet from way back, when he was doing a series on recipes from colonial days.
It seems pumpkin pie for the first American colonists was slightly different from what we know now. Back then one took a small pumpkin, with the top cut and the innards cleansed, and filled it with chunks of more pumpkin, and then poured custard batter in to fill the spaces. The whole filled pumpkin was then popped in the oven and baked until done.
I've never tried it myself, but it did soiund awfully good.
blackbelt
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:54
I remember an episode of The Frugal Gourmet from way back, when he was doing a series on recipes from colonial days.
It seems pumpkin pie for the first American colonists was slightly different from what we know now. Back then one took a small pumpkin, with the top cut and the innards cleansed, and filled it with chunks of more pumpkin, and then poured custard batter in to fill the spaces. The whole filled pumpkin was then popped in the oven and baked until done.
I've never tried it myself, but it did soiund awfully good.
that sounds really good
with beer of course
blackbelt
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:54
hey this is a great thread, thanks OP
lastpointe
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:57
i have made soup like that.
clean out a small pumpkin, fill it with table cream, garlic, spices.......
bake. the pumpkin softens , the cream picks up the flavour and when you serve it you scrape up the pumpkin
also looks pretty cool on the table
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 14:58
Although I do enjoy sweet uses of pumpkin and squash I can only handle them in small amounts. I much prefer more savory uses.
I make this pumpkin/squash side dish with dill and sour cream. It's really tasty. Dill just seem to go with it.
stephenb2012 (not verified)
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:07
I remember an episode of The Frugal Gourmet from way back, when he was doing a series on recipes from colonial days.
It seems pumpkin pie for the first American colonists was slightly different from what we know now. Back then one took a small pumpkin, with the top cut and the innards cleansed, and filled it with chunks of more pumpkin, and then poured custard batter in to fill the spaces. The whole filled pumpkin was then popped in the oven and baked until done.
I've never tried it myself, but it did soiund awfully good.
regarding the post you made in the other thread, about me using your name, no, i will not address you by that, by your real name, okay.,..what is it?
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:22
regarding the post you made in the other thread, about me using your name, no, i will not address you by that, by your real name, okay.,..what is it?
So you won't use the name I choose to give here. Does it frighten you that much? Your faith cannot be very strong if just the mention of the word "Witch" would do your soul irreperable harm.
Just out of curiosity... how do you refer to The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C. S. Lewis?
For that matter, how do you manage to quote from 1Samuel without pissing yourself in terror?
But I'm a reasonable person. Since you won't use my given handle here, I won't use yours either. From now on, I'll just call you Dickhead, OK?
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:23
I don't know if our friend is a hockey fan, but if he is I wonder how he used to feel when he watched Miroslav Satan play?
Anyway, I call Witch "Witch" and I haven't noticed anything strange as a result. Well, actually I do have a strange urge to howl at the moon recently, but I chalked that up to mere coincidence.
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:24
I remember an episode of The Frugal Gourmet from way back, when he was doing a series on recipes from colonial days.
It seems pumpkin pie for the first American colonists was slightly different from what we know now. Back then one took a small pumpkin, with the top cut and the innards cleansed, and filled it with chunks of more pumpkin, and then poured custard batter in to fill the spaces. The whole filled pumpkin was then popped in the oven and baked until done.
I've never tried it myself, but it did soiund awfully good.
that sounds really good
with beer of course
That goes without saying, of course....
But I'm glad you said it anyways.
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:25
I don't know if our friend is a hockey fan, but if he is I wonder how he used to feel when he watched Miroslav Satan play?
Anyway, I call Witch "Witch" and I haven't noticed anything strange as a result. Well, actually I do have a strange urge to howl at the moon recently, but I chalked that up to mere coincidence.
I think that's because Wolfie's back ;)
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:32
Although I do enjoy sweet uses of pumpkin and squash I can only handle them in small amounts. I much prefer more savory uses.
I make this pumpkin/squash side dish with dill and sour cream. It's really tasty. Dill just seem to go with it.
That sounds like it would be a perfect thing to do with those small sweet delicado squash
RitaTG
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:35
what a wonderful thread! ... and since it is about pumpkin pie ..... I shall cut and paste a slice of poetry....
by Gary Maclean
PUMPKIN PIE
I smell pumpkin pie
That can only mean one thing
Either its thanksgiving
Or autumn has begun to sing
It's too bad its such a rarity
A desert of pumpkin pie
Only once or twice a year
Leaves me to question why
The smooth brownish filling
Oven hot and full of spice
The flaky warm crust
Makes me want another slice
Each year at this time
We look forward to the treat
Mom, make two, no three
Make enough for us all to eat
Why must we wait for autumn?
To partake in such a wonder
Why not all year long
In rain, snow, or thunder
I wasn't hungry before
But now all the talk of pie
Makes me want a piece of pumpkin
I want it now, I wonder why
There we go! ...enjoy!
Hugs
Rita
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:39
That is literary brilliance with a powerful message, Rita! Especially the "Why must we wait for autumn?" Why, indeed?
stephenb2012 (not verified)
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:41
please, stop continueasly derailing the thread in regards to pumpkin pie, create a thread on it, time to flag the posts?
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stvn davis, thats nice, your point of vie, but its not mine, how do i feel about tat last name? well i assume it isnt charged with the intention and message that you are attrtibuting it to, and it is likely a foreign name in which their language doesnt attribute it to what you are.
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there is no compromise on this issue , if you dont know the differences dont get involved with it.
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:41
what a wonderful thread! ... and since it is about pumpkin pie ..... I shall cut and paste a slice of poetry....
by Gary Maclean
Mr Maclean is obviously a man of great wisdom.
RitaTG
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:43
I agree Witch ..... there is so much that can be savoured if one just opens their heart a bit
Hugs
Rita
stephenb2012 (not verified)
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:50
regarding the post you made in the other thread, about me using your name, no, i will not address you by that, by your real name, okay.,..what is it?
So you won't use the name I choose to give here. Does it frighten you that much? Your faith cannot be very strong if just the mention of the word "Witch" would do your soul irreperable harm.
Just out of curiosity... how do you refer to The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C. S. Lewis?
For that matter, how do you manage to quote from 1Samuel without pissing yourself in terror?
But I'm a reasonable person. Since you won't use my given handle here, I won't use yours either. From now on, I'll just call you Dickhead, OK?
i told you i will use your real name , i cannot address you by that name.considering what is attached to it, for many reasons , one being, respect for a Christian enviroment.
(where did i quote samuel?)
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btw i am flagging your post as offensive
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:48
Although I do enjoy sweet uses of pumpkin and squash I can only handle them in small amounts. I much prefer more savory uses.
I make this pumpkin/squash side dish with dill and sour cream. It's really tasty. Dill just seem to go with it.
That sounds like it would be a perfect thing to do with those small sweet delicado squash
I've never tried that variety but that type is on my seed list for this year. So the coming season permitting will be savoring it in the fall.
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:51
i told you i will you ure real name , i cannot address you by that name.
(where did i quote samuel?)
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btw i am flagging your post as offensive
I understand completely, and since I am likewise terrified by the name St.... AHHHHHHH! sorry got scared there.... the only altternative is for me to give you an alternative name that I can bring myself to address you by. Dickhead is a convenient alternative, since it fits your behaviour pattern, and everyone will know to whom I am referring.
AS to using my real name, such is not required by the Guildlines, and considering your behaviour, I cannot possibly consider trusting you with information which could lead to my identity being stolen.
And I wasn't suggesting that you quoted 1Samuel, but it does contain that word which fills you with such dread that you fear you might lose control of your bladder. I was just wondering how you managed to read it... but then I realized you don't actually read the Bible, you just cut and paste from online concordance sites.
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 15:55
Although I do enjoy sweet uses of pumpkin and squash I can only handle them in small amounts. I much prefer more savory uses.
I make this pumpkin/squash side dish with dill and sour cream. It's really tasty. Dill just seem to go with it.
That sounds like it would be a perfect thing to do with those small sweet delicado squash
I've never tried that variety but that type is on my seed list for this year. So the coming season permitting will be savoring it in the fall.
Ok then we'll have to keep the pumpkin.... errr I mean the David conversation going just as it is until this fall when we can get a full report from you.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:06
It's strange... pumpkin pie is so very popular, but at Timmys our worst selling tea is Pumpkin Spice, which is supposed to taste like pumpkin pie filling. Could it be we just need to squirt in some whipped topping?
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:09
Maybe it doesn't sell because pumpkin pie filling just isn't meant to be in liquid form. :)
RitaTG
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:09
its the texture MorningCalm ..... just as it is with so many things....
Hugs
Rita
Witch
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:11
Maybe it doesn't sell because pumpkin pie filling just isn't meant to be in liquid form. :)
My ex-wife would often treat me to a steaming mug of pumpkin pie.
She was a wonderful person... but cooking was not her stong suit.
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:13
I bet though that if the name was changed to something like 'harvest spice' or 'autumn' spice it would sell better. Pumpkin pie spice is just a mix of cinni, nutmeg, all spice and a few others. Teas like chai have those sorts in them and people like them.
Then people would buy it, taste and say 'oh hey this taste good, just like pumpkin pie, cool!"
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:16
Maybe it doesn't sell because pumpkin pie filling just isn't meant to be in liquid form. :)
My ex-wife would often treat me to a steaming mug of pumpkin pie.
She was a wonderful person... but cooking was not her stong suit.
:D Yes I've made those types of pies before. "Oopsy pies." Better off served in bowl...or a mug. I seem to screw up lemon one a lot. More pudding then pie.
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:17
double
RitaTG
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:19
"Oopsey pies" ... I love it!!!!
Thank you! ... I am actually getting something from this thread!
Hugs
Rita
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:19
I bet though that if the name was changed to something like 'harvest spice' or 'autumn' spice it would sell better. Pumpkin pie spice is just a mix of cinni, nutmeg, all spice and a few others. Teas like chai have those sorts in them and people like them.
Then people would buy it, taste and say 'oh hey this taste good, just like pumpkin pie, cool!"
You might have something there Jadespring. Really I just think people don't like the idea of having pumpkin in their tea.
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:21
I bet though that if the name was changed to something like 'harvest spice' or 'autumn' spice it would sell better. Pumpkin pie spice is just a mix of cinni, nutmeg, all spice and a few others. Teas like chai have those sorts in them and people like them.
Then people would buy it, taste and say 'oh hey this taste good, just like pumpkin pie, cool!"
You might have something there Jadespring. Really I just think people don't like the idea of having pumpkin in their tea.
Well it does sound kinda gross. I'm sure it tastes fine but it doesn't sound that appetizing. :)
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:23
It's strange... pumpkin pie is so very popular, but at Timmys our worst selling tea is Pumpkin Spice, which is supposed to taste like pumpkin pie filling. Could it be we just need to squirt in some whipped topping?
I quite enjoy getting a Pumpkin Spice latte at the local 7/11 on a cold winter's day. Very warming and refreshing at the same time. By the way, since there is at least a possibility that David may have been eating pumpkin pie while he composed some of his writings, I find this discussion all very relevant and fascinating!
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:26
"Oopsey pies" ... I love it!!!!
Thank you! ... I am actually getting something from this thread!
Hugs
Rita
:D
It's a bit of joke with my hubby. I'm a good cook but I like to experiment so sometimes things just don't turn out that well. "So what's for dinner?" he asks.
"Well I'm making XXX and AAA and BBB."
Then from the kitchen he will hear "oops', and he calls "So is it oopsey XXX or AAA now?"
blackbelt
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:29
I don't know if our friend is a hockey fan, but if he is I wonder how he used to feel when he watched Miroslav Satan play?
Anyway, I call Witch "Witch" and I haven't noticed anything strange as a result. Well, actually I do have a strange urge to howl at the moon recently, but I chalked that up to mere coincidence.
LOL, for a minute there I read you had an urge to bowel
Jadespring
Posted on: 02/01/2011 16:30
It's strange... pumpkin pie is so very popular, but at Timmys our worst selling tea is Pumpkin Spice, which is supposed to taste like pumpkin pie filling. Could it be we just need to squirt in some whipped topping?
I quite enjoy getting a Pumpkin Spice latte at the local 7/11 on a cold winter's day. Very warming and refreshing at the same time. By the way, since there is at least a possibility that David may have been eating pumpkin pie while he composed some of his writings, I find this discussion all very relevant and fascinating!
Rev Davis. I'm afraid that it is highly unlikly that David would be eating pumpkin pie. Pumpkins did not exist on the continent then. I think though that it is possible that he was eating SOME sort of pie. :)