being alone & knowing that will be my state forever, that`s my Hell :3
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/26/2013 17:11
One could argue that both heaven and hell are states of being as opposed to places. Heaven is complete presence with God; hell is complete absence from God.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2013 17:20
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
One could argue that both heaven and hell are states of being as opposed to places. Heaven is complete presence with God; hell is complete absence from God.
Rev. Steven, I've often heard it said that hell means eternal absence from God. However, I believe that the God-presence is felt in hell -- in the judgment-form.
dreamerman
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:04
Well hell can be many things or nothing at all. I prefer the latter.
It could also be this poem I wrote over twenty years ago. Here it is
- rotting corpses there do hang
decaying flesh on the dead man's fang
hellish nightmares all around
hideous creatures have you bound
an eternity of misery is your fate
if you could take your life you wouldn't contemplate
the sweat from your body has wet the bed
you grab a towel to dry your forehead
you awake it was just a dream
a sigh of relief everything is going to be alright
only to find satan has once again come to bid you goodnight.
Bwahahahaaa!!
Or hell could be eating only Mcdonalds or Tim Horton donuts for eternity.
Kimmio
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:32
States of mind. Feeling alienated, rejected, oppressed, in pain vs. feeling loved and accepted. Physically, this earth is heaven and hell. Lately, a lot more hell- warzones, severe poverty- while people flaunt their decadent riches- extreme fear and grief. Those things are hell-yet much real beauty still- love between people, beauty of nature, creative expression and joy. We're supposed to channel and care for the beauty. I remember talking to someone, when we were mourning the death of a friend- about heaven and hell- and she said, "this is hell. Here, this earth." I don't agree entirely, earth and the people in it have redeeming qualities, but I get her point and understood her pain. Been there, have felt that too.
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:22
Hell (the grave) is cast into the lake of fire. There is no more death and the dead of the second death know nothing.
Witch
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:22
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate
Which is Italian for "sit down and rest. Have a beer. You look tired"
unsafe
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:41
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
dreamerman
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:57
unsafe wrote:
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
How can you have constant darkness and fire at the same time? Does this fire not give off any light? Wait what am I thinking it is magical just like in the funny pages where anything is possible.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/26/2013 19:02
dreamerman wrote:
unsafe wrote:
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
How can you have constant darkness and fire at the same time? Does this fire not give off any light? Wait what am I thinking it is magical just like in the funny pages where anything is possible.
the answer to everything: quantum mechanics! :3
(how can a bear use a computer, anyway?)
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2013 19:06
unsafe wrote:
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable.
Also there is no pie.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/26/2013 19:08
MC jae wrote:
unsafe wrote:
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable.
Also there is no pie.
now that's just blasphemy
Neo
Posted on: 03/26/2013 22:36
The Tibetan wrote:
Another fear which induces mankind to regard death as a calamity, is one which theological religion has inculcated, particularly the Protestant fundamentalists, and the Roman Catholic Church - the fear of hell, the imposition of penalties, usually out of all proportion to the errors of a life-time, and the terrors imposed by an angry God. To these man is told he will have to submit, and from them there is no escape, except through the vicarious atonement. There is, as you well know, no angry God, no hell, and no vicarious atonement. There is only a great principle of love animating the entire universe; there is the Presence of the Christ, indicating to humanity the fact of the soul and that we are saved by the livingness of that soul, and the only hell is the earth itself, where we learn to work out our own salvation, actuated by the principle of love and light, and incited thereto by the example of the Christ, and the inner urge of our own souls. This teaching anent hell is a remainder of the sadistic turn which was given to the thinking of the Christian Church in the Middle Ages, and to the erroneous teaching to be found in the Old Testament anent Jehovah, the tribal God of the Jews. Jehovah is not God, the planetary Logos, the Eternal Heart of Love Whom Christ revealed. As these erroneous ideas die out, the concept of hell will fade from man's recollection, and its place will be taken by an understanding of the law which makes each man work out his own salvation upon the physical plane, which leads him to right the wrongs which he may have perpetrated in his lives on Earth, and which enables him eventually to "clean his own slate".
From the book Esoteric Healing
ninjafaery
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:30
I guess it depends on what would cause the most suffering. For a big oil CEO it would be standing up to your neck in bitumen and surrounded with tonnes of cash - no way to access it or to invest it.
For me it would being put on stale donut watch for all eternity.
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:43
unsafe wrote:
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
Nobody ever said anything about worms before. NOW I'm scared. I'm going to have to accept Jesus as my worm-savior now.
revjohn
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:57
Hi crazyheart,
crazyheart wrote:
If you believe in Hell as well as Heaven, whay do you imagine Hell would be like.
Frankly I don't spend any time imagining what Hell would be like.
What would be the point of doing so besides spiritual titillation?
The descriptions of Hell recorded in scripture, from grave to lake of fire are enough to suggest Hell is not someplace that I would want to be, whether they are literally approximate or literary approximations doesn't change my not wanting to participate.
I doubt Hell is akin to Lima Beans and every mother's dietary philosophy, "How do you know you don't like it if you haven't tried it?"
And Hell as grave does not strike me as being in anyway advantageous to the Hell as lake of fire. Especially if both are coupled to some sort of awareness of where I am.
While I believe in the reality of heaven I don't invest a lot of time in imagining what it is like either. If I have eternity to snoop around in heaven and a finite amount of time to get things done here on earth then I don't know how wasting time down here not doing what I am supposed to be doing improves upon the eternity that is promised to me.
All depictions recorded in scripture suggest that heaven is a likeable place and again whether those depictions are literally approximate or simply literary approximations doesn't really matter.
Grace and peace to you.
John
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:59
there was also a Diet of Worms and an Edict of Worms...nerds are so weird...
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 08:02
chansen wrote:
I'm going to have to accept Jesus as my worm-savior now.
Ha, ha, ha, I can see the church billboards now.
airclean33
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:09
Hell a place of darkness. Of fire of pain. Oh you will be abel to see. At least Isaiah thought so. You may also see who an what satan really is. Who said the jews never talked of satan? Isaiah did , the first time I understood who we were fighting . Was many years ago when I had read it. . Isaiah 14 12-17. Is this the man? Ofcouse he would be seen as a man. Because he was a Son of GOD an Angel. of Heaven I believe if Christ is your Lord , You will see it. That Kingdom on Hi.But I don't believe we will spend to much time there. You see it is comeing to earth . There will be a new earth and a new Heaven.. Here were the old one used to be. God will be with us.I believe , we will walk and talk with Him. I don't think this is the end . For our GOD is a great GOD. He has made the universe which is still moveing out wards. The change is but the begining. His plan is not yet finished. All Glory Be to GOD.
waterfall
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:12
Hell to me would be a place that love could not exist. A place that would encourage a psychopathic personality that feels nothing except our own pain. Somewhere that we are unable to reach out to others for comfort or to give it.
mark1129
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:18
i imagine Heaven to be a peaceful resting place - an upside to mortal death if you will
i dont believe hell is the opposite i think hell is the lack of heaven, i.e. nothing, void and empty of love
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:19
Isaiah 14 is in a passage directed against the Babylonian Empire. The reference is not to Satan, it's to Babylon, confirmed by both 14:4 and 14:22. It's a poetic description of the collapse of a mighty empire. You're reading something into it that simply isn't there. In fact, pretty much all of Isaiah from chapter 13 to chapter 23 is in the form of an oracle directed against the various earthly empires.
References to Satan in the Old Testament are very rare. Brief ones in each of 1 Chronicles and Zechariah, and the opening of the narrative in Job. In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:35
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 10:25
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
... In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
I agree. Replace the word "Satan" and "hell" with "matter" or the "physical world" and you're right on when trying to make sense of this concept. "Hell is a place of darkness. Of fire and pain" says airclean33. So is the place of matter and of physical form. The fires of atomic structure and form and the consequent suffering of living within that form provide the impetus for us to rise above our station. We live in a world that is restricted by generation in time and space, a place where our awareness is limited by 5 senses, a place where even the light of the soul seems lost. There is no hell worse than being alone, living without hope, living in destitute of life's basic needs. This is the true pain of hell. There are so many in world right now living without promise, without aspiration, and without hope. What greater hell could there be than to be trapped in a wheel where even death only leads one back into to world of form and incarnation? Over and over again.
Prometheus was bound to the rock of matter for his crime of stealing fire from the Gods. Everyday eagles were sent to feed upon his flesh, and everyday his flesh was grown again, only to have eagles return again. It was only when Hercules, the symbol of the soul, came to rescue him was he finally saved.
It's only by raising our awareness above these limitations that we come to perspective. Hell is the place where opportunity is given to us to "clean our slate", to become soul aware. This opportunity is the love of God. Only when the soul, representing the Christ within us and the light of God, begins to shine through us do we begin to raise our awareness out of the darkness of physical matter. And we do this through love and service. We do this by sacrificing our little self, our personal self, for the will of the greater Self of the soul. Is this not the secret of the crucifixion and the reason why Christ intimated that we should all walk the same path and do the same? I don't understand Christianity sometimes with it's reliance on a saviour while the Christ Himself made it very clear that we should 'pick up the cross and follow Him'.
Hell is here and now, living in a world without the awareness of God.
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 10:31
InannaWhimsey wrote:
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:24
chansen wrote:
InannaWhimsey wrote:
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Very pointy horns.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:29
i personally like Tim Curry's "Darkness" from the movie Legend...
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:45
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
chansen wrote:
InannaWhimsey wrote:
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Very pointy horns.
Oooh! What about a moose with his antlers sharpened? An angry moose....from hell. A hell-moose!
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:57
chansen wrote:
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
chansen wrote:
InannaWhimsey wrote:
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Very pointy horns.
Oooh! What about a moose with his antlers sharpened? An angry moose....from hell. A hell-moose!
*giggle* that would be a Canadian Satan...
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:58
Hell is a very bright place, to Christian's that believe only desires and don't wish to know anything beyond themselves ... so there it is ... a dark and profound pool lit by stray lights ... just to bug the blind Christians ... perhaps just a dumb metaphor for those that can't understand mystical thoughts that are beyond eme ...
Avarice in a form that leaves a person mind blown, or with an empty soul that such winds pass right through without sematic lift of appropriate satyrs ... powers that drive you, but non visible to those that have no sense in where the wind's coming from on a given dae ... love's winds are often like that ... qwa tome!
Now that's Ayrian as it's knot ... as entangled theory of desire in the form of man ... not yet processing about that trap 'st goan down the street as Ephraim that's up for possession ... if the price extracted is proper as pearl that makes the man's ears ring after the fact ... latent thought of O' ... what was lost there? Peace of mind for a new soul as DNA ... butte only half the myth of patriarchal delight ... one then has to support the hoers of manies hades ... sometimes good sometime snotty about conjugal spaces as they converge! Androgynously, or other wise, tae what's chi'z do'n ... toem! Omon will he ever know? If he doesn't desire ... Gnoe ...
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:00
When you've driven in either Newfoundland or northern Ontario after dark, all mooses seem somewhat hell-like. Scary creatures to come across on the road at night.
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:10
Agreed. Moose are Satanic. Here's the proof:
I can't believe that image was so easy to find.
unsafe, we see your worm, and we raise you one red-eyed moose.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:27
I thought the Iron Maiden was an English edge of satire to parallel Guilleo'st ene ... where amon could Luce heis hed bye ... or his free wiles ... shiyr lye cut off from the rest of the world ...
They do say the brain is the most powerful gonad until split ... dividing some time off for thought ... divining? That's "y" an inverted form of lamb dah ... a sheepish Ba to the Egyptian myth of an airy mind ...
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:28
(in Groucho voice): PROOF THAT G_D EXISTS!!!
airclean33
Posted on: 03/27/2013 14:03
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
Isaiah 14 is in a passage directed against the Babylonian Empire. The reference is not to Satan, it's to Babylon, confirmed by both 14:4 and 14:22. It's a poetic description of the collapse of a mighty empire. You're reading something into it that simply isn't there. In fact, pretty much all of Isaiah from chapter 13 to chapter 23 is in the form of an oracle directed against the various earthly empires.
References to Satan in the Old Testament are very rare. Brief ones in each of 1 Chronicles and Zechariah, and the opening of the narrative in Job. In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
Hi Rev Seven Davis --I know they teach you this , as Rev John an I have talked on some of these very things. You believe then the King of Bablon . Was the fallen star from Heaven? You believe His name was, The star of Dawn. !4:12--He wanted to sett his throne on high in the clouds. 14:13-14 .. He said I will be more than GOD?14:14-- That He was told He would go into the pit? 14:15--- He made the hole earth tremble, and all those in the pit are just Jews, Because all who seen Him know him?14: 16. again 14:17. You may be right Steven , but I believe not . The one who fits this is Santan. airclean33
airclean33
Posted on: 03/27/2013 14:06
Two posts
Arminius
Posted on: 03/27/2013 14:14
All this the world well knows; yet none know well:
To shun the heaven leads men to this hell.
-Shakespeare
To avoid hell on Earth, we have to create heaven on Earth.
alta
Posted on: 03/27/2013 15:22
Hell? I bet there's mincemeat tarts. I can imagine it now. Sitting there, lookin like butter tarts, saying "I'm delicious. Eat me"
DAMN THEIR OILY HIDES!!!
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:04
airclean33 wrote:
Rev. Steven Davis wrote:
Isaiah 14 is in a passage directed against the Babylonian Empire. The reference is not to Satan, it's to Babylon, confirmed by both 14:4 and 14:22. It's a poetic description of the collapse of a mighty empire. You're reading something into it that simply isn't there. In fact, pretty much all of Isaiah from chapter 13 to chapter 23 is in the form of an oracle directed against the various earthly empires.
References to Satan in the Old Testament are very rare. Brief ones in each of 1 Chr
onicles and Zechariah, and the opening of the narrative in Job. In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
Hi Rev Seven Davis --I know they teach you this , as Rev John an I have talked on some of these very things. You believe then the King of Bablon . Was the fallen star from Heaven? You believe His name was, The star of Dawn. !4:12--He wanted to sett his throne on high in the clouds. 14:13-14 .. He said I will be more than GOD?14:14-- That He was told He would go into the pit? 14:15--- He made the hole earth tremble, and all those in the pit are just Jews, Because all who seen Him know him?14: 16. again 14:17. You may be right Steven , but I believe not . The one who fits this is Santan. airclean33
I read once that he was a right jolly old elf.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:07
and, as we well know, both santa & satan are anagrams of each other...g_d werks in mysterious ways *eerie theremin music*
buford12
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:16
The Bible says Hell is a real place. Man was created for relationships - first and foremost one with God. I believe Hell will be very much like solitary confinement for all eternity away from any presence of God. Heaven is also a real place. And very much like the one we have here - minus the sin or the sin nature. We will work, play, renew relationships, etc. Some are scared it might be one large church service that lasts forever. Nothing could be further from the truth. And God will be there!
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:20
Anybody have scripture to back their claims?
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:36
Scripture doesn't back up claims - it *makes* baseless claims.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:36
satan & michael having a moment
nuff said
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:40
chansen wrote:
Scripture doesn't back up claims - it *makes* baseless claims.
Yet what is talked of here is based on scripture. So whatever is spoken of hell to be considered true and not just made up, must have some scriptural reference to back up what is said, right?
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:55
There's lot of scripture that will back this up not4prophet. The real question is in our interpretation of that scripture. Should it be read literally or figuratively or metaphorically? And who is to interpret this metaphor? Are there agendas and ulterior motives behind the interpretation? If so then it turns into dogma.
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 17:03
Is the Hebrew definition of the word hell relevant?
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 17:30
not4prophet wrote:
chansen wrote:
Scripture doesn't back up claims - it *makes* baseless claims.
Yet what is talked of here is based on scripture. So whatever is spoken of hell to be considered true and not just made up, must have some scriptural reference to back up what is said, right?
What?
Look, it's all made up. It's ancient fantasy fiction. You guys are just rabid fans of an older version of Harry Potter.
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 17:48
So you get to make up your own version which is fine... yet link it to the biblical one?
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 18:41
i grok what not4prophet is going on aboot -- he's inviting people to play tennis with him WITH a net rather than without.
Comments
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/26/2013 17:02
being alone & knowing that will be my state forever, that`s my Hell :3
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/26/2013 17:11
One could argue that both heaven and hell are states of being as opposed to places. Heaven is complete presence with God; hell is complete absence from God.
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2013 17:20
One could argue that both heaven and hell are states of being as opposed to places. Heaven is complete presence with God; hell is complete absence from God.
Rev. Steven, I've often heard it said that hell means eternal absence from God. However, I believe that the God-presence is felt in hell -- in the judgment-form.
dreamerman
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:04
Well hell can be many things or nothing at all. I prefer the latter.
It could also be this poem I wrote over twenty years ago. Here it is
- rotting corpses there do hang
decaying flesh on the dead man's fang
hellish nightmares all around
hideous creatures have you bound
an eternity of misery is your fate
if you could take your life you wouldn't contemplate
the sweat from your body has wet the bed
you grab a towel to dry your forehead
you awake it was just a dream
a sigh of relief everything is going to be alright
only to find satan has once again come to bid you goodnight.
Bwahahahaaa!!
Or hell could be eating only Mcdonalds or Tim Horton donuts for eternity.
Kimmio
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:32
States of mind. Feeling alienated, rejected, oppressed, in pain vs. feeling loved and accepted. Physically, this earth is heaven and hell. Lately, a lot more hell- warzones, severe poverty- while people flaunt their decadent riches- extreme fear and grief. Those things are hell-yet much real beauty still- love between people, beauty of nature, creative expression and joy. We're supposed to channel and care for the beauty. I remember talking to someone, when we were mourning the death of a friend- about heaven and hell- and she said, "this is hell. Here, this earth." I don't agree entirely, earth and the people in it have redeeming qualities, but I get her point and understood her pain. Been there, have felt that too.
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:22
Hell (the grave) is cast into the lake of fire. There is no more death and the dead of the second death know nothing.
Witch
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:22
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate
Which is Italian for "sit down and rest. Have a beer. You look tired"
unsafe
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:41
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
dreamerman
Posted on: 03/26/2013 18:57
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
How can you have constant darkness and fire at the same time? Does this fire not give off any light? Wait what am I thinking it is magical just like in the funny pages where anything is possible.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/26/2013 19:02
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
How can you have constant darkness and fire at the same time? Does this fire not give off any light? Wait what am I thinking it is magical just like in the funny pages where anything is possible.
the answer to everything: quantum mechanics! :3
(how can a bear use a computer, anyway?)
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 03/26/2013 19:06
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable.
Also there is no pie.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/26/2013 19:08
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable.
Also there is no pie.
now that's just blasphemy
Neo
Posted on: 03/26/2013 22:36
From the book Esoteric Healing
ninjafaery
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:30
I guess it depends on what would cause the most suffering. For a big oil CEO it would be standing up to your neck in bitumen and surrounded with tonnes of cash - no way to access it or to invest it.
For me it would being put on stale donut watch for all eternity.
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:43
I do believe in a literal Place called Hell ----
Hell would be a place of constant darkness where there is physical and mental torment with unquenchable fire and sulfur and worms crawling around that never die ---- You would experience great thirst but not be able to quench it ---there would be much weeping and wailing from the torment and no rest would be attainable .You will be disconnected from God forever .
Pretty sad eternal existence I'd say ----
Nobody ever said anything about worms before. NOW I'm scared. I'm going to have to accept Jesus as my worm-savior now.
revjohn
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:57
Hi crazyheart,
If you believe in Hell as well as Heaven, whay do you imagine Hell would be like.
Frankly I don't spend any time imagining what Hell would be like.
What would be the point of doing so besides spiritual titillation?
The descriptions of Hell recorded in scripture, from grave to lake of fire are enough to suggest Hell is not someplace that I would want to be, whether they are literally approximate or literary approximations doesn't change my not wanting to participate.
I doubt Hell is akin to Lima Beans and every mother's dietary philosophy, "How do you know you don't like it if you haven't tried it?"
And Hell as grave does not strike me as being in anyway advantageous to the Hell as lake of fire. Especially if both are coupled to some sort of awareness of where I am.
While I believe in the reality of heaven I don't invest a lot of time in imagining what it is like either. If I have eternity to snoop around in heaven and a finite amount of time to get things done here on earth then I don't know how wasting time down here not doing what I am supposed to be doing improves upon the eternity that is promised to me.
All depictions recorded in scripture suggest that heaven is a likeable place and again whether those depictions are literally approximate or simply literary approximations doesn't really matter.
Grace and peace to you.
John
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 07:59
there was also a Diet of Worms and an Edict of Worms...nerds are so weird...
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 08:02
Ha, ha, ha, I can see the church billboards now.
airclean33
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:09
Hell a place of darkness. Of fire of pain. Oh you will be abel to see. At least Isaiah thought so. You may also see who an what satan really is. Who said the jews never talked of satan? Isaiah did , the first time I understood who we were fighting . Was many years ago when I had read it. . Isaiah 14 12-17. Is this the man? Ofcouse he would be seen as a man. Because he was a Son of GOD an Angel. of Heaven I believe if Christ is your Lord , You will see it. That Kingdom on Hi.But I don't believe we will spend to much time there. You see it is comeing to earth . There will be a new earth and a new Heaven.. Here were the old one used to be. God will be with us.I believe , we will walk and talk with Him. I don't think this is the end . For our GOD is a great GOD. He has made the universe which is still moveing out wards. The change is but the begining. His plan is not yet finished. All Glory Be to GOD.
waterfall
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:12
Hell to me would be a place that love could not exist. A place that would encourage a psychopathic personality that feels nothing except our own pain. Somewhere that we are unable to reach out to others for comfort or to give it.
mark1129
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:18
i imagine Heaven to be a peaceful resting place - an upside to mortal death if you will
i dont believe hell is the opposite i think hell is the lack of heaven, i.e. nothing, void and empty of love
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:19
Isaiah 14 is in a passage directed against the Babylonian Empire. The reference is not to Satan, it's to Babylon, confirmed by both 14:4 and 14:22. It's a poetic description of the collapse of a mighty empire. You're reading something into it that simply isn't there. In fact, pretty much all of Isaiah from chapter 13 to chapter 23 is in the form of an oracle directed against the various earthly empires.
References to Satan in the Old Testament are very rare. Brief ones in each of 1 Chronicles and Zechariah, and the opening of the narrative in Job. In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 09:35
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 10:25
... In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
I agree. Replace the word "Satan" and "hell" with "matter" or the "physical world" and you're right on when trying to make sense of this concept. "Hell is a place of darkness. Of fire and pain" says airclean33. So is the place of matter and of physical form. The fires of atomic structure and form and the consequent suffering of living within that form provide the impetus for us to rise above our station. We live in a world that is restricted by generation in time and space, a place where our awareness is limited by 5 senses, a place where even the light of the soul seems lost. There is no hell worse than being alone, living without hope, living in destitute of life's basic needs. This is the true pain of hell. There are so many in world right now living without promise, without aspiration, and without hope. What greater hell could there be than to be trapped in a wheel where even death only leads one back into to world of form and incarnation? Over and over again.
Prometheus was bound to the rock of matter for his crime of stealing fire from the Gods. Everyday eagles were sent to feed upon his flesh, and everyday his flesh was grown again, only to have eagles return again. It was only when Hercules, the symbol of the soul, came to rescue him was he finally saved.
It's only by raising our awareness above these limitations that we come to perspective. Hell is the place where opportunity is given to us to "clean our slate", to become soul aware. This opportunity is the love of God. Only when the soul, representing the Christ within us and the light of God, begins to shine through us do we begin to raise our awareness out of the darkness of physical matter. And we do this through love and service. We do this by sacrificing our little self, our personal self, for the will of the greater Self of the soul. Is this not the secret of the crucifixion and the reason why Christ intimated that we should all walk the same path and do the same? I don't understand Christianity sometimes with it's reliance on a saviour while the Christ Himself made it very clear that we should 'pick up the cross and follow Him'.
Hell is here and now, living in a world without the awareness of God.
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 10:31
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:24
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Very pointy horns.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:29
i personally like Tim Curry's "Darkness" from the movie Legend...
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:45
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Very pointy horns.
Oooh! What about a moose with his antlers sharpened? An angry moose....from hell. A hell-moose!
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:57
can Satan be a tarantula? :3
Scary, but not big enough.
I think Satan should be a bull with pointy horns.
Very pointy horns.
Oooh! What about a moose with his antlers sharpened? An angry moose....from hell. A hell-moose!
*giggle* that would be a Canadian Satan...
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 03/27/2013 11:58
Hell is a very bright place, to Christian's that believe only desires and don't wish to know anything beyond themselves ... so there it is ... a dark and profound pool lit by stray lights ... just to bug the blind Christians ... perhaps just a dumb metaphor for those that can't understand mystical thoughts that are beyond eme ...
Avarice in a form that leaves a person mind blown, or with an empty soul that such winds pass right through without sematic lift of appropriate satyrs ... powers that drive you, but non visible to those that have no sense in where the wind's coming from on a given dae ... love's winds are often like that ... qwa tome!
Now that's Ayrian as it's knot ... as entangled theory of desire in the form of man ... not yet processing about that trap 'st goan down the street as Ephraim that's up for possession ... if the price extracted is proper as pearl that makes the man's ears ring after the fact ... latent thought of O' ... what was lost there? Peace of mind for a new soul as DNA ... butte only half the myth of patriarchal delight ... one then has to support the hoers of manies hades ... sometimes good sometime snotty about conjugal spaces as they converge! Androgynously, or other wise, tae what's chi'z do'n ... toem! Omon will he ever know? If he doesn't desire ... Gnoe ...
Rev. Steven Davis
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:00
When you've driven in either Newfoundland or northern Ontario after dark, all mooses seem somewhat hell-like. Scary creatures to come across on the road at night.
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:10
Agreed. Moose are Satanic. Here's the proof:
I can't believe that image was so easy to find.
unsafe, we see your worm, and we raise you one red-eyed moose.
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:27
I thought the Iron Maiden was an English edge of satire to parallel Guilleo'st ene ... where amon could Luce heis hed bye ... or his free wiles ... shiyr lye cut off from the rest of the world ...
They do say the brain is the most powerful gonad until split ... dividing some time off for thought ... divining? That's "y" an inverted form of lamb dah ... a sheepish Ba to the Egyptian myth of an airy mind ...
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 12:28
(in Groucho voice): PROOF THAT G_D EXISTS!!!
airclean33
Posted on: 03/27/2013 14:03
Isaiah 14 is in a passage directed against the Babylonian Empire. The reference is not to Satan, it's to Babylon, confirmed by both 14:4 and 14:22. It's a poetic description of the collapse of a mighty empire. You're reading something into it that simply isn't there. In fact, pretty much all of Isaiah from chapter 13 to chapter 23 is in the form of an oracle directed against the various earthly empires.
References to Satan in the Old Testament are very rare. Brief ones in each of 1 Chronicles and Zechariah, and the opening of the narrative in Job. In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
airclean33
Posted on: 03/27/2013 14:06
Two posts
Arminius
Posted on: 03/27/2013 14:14
All this the world well knows; yet none know well:
To shun the heaven leads men to this hell.
-Shakespeare
To avoid hell on Earth, we have to create heaven on Earth.
alta
Posted on: 03/27/2013 15:22
Hell? I bet there's mincemeat tarts. I can imagine it now. Sitting there, lookin like butter tarts, saying "I'm delicious. Eat me"
DAMN THEIR OILY HIDES!!!
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:04
Isaiah 14 is in a passage directed against the Babylonian Empire. The reference is not to Satan, it's to Babylon, confirmed by both 14:4 and 14:22. It's a poetic description of the collapse of a mighty empire. You're reading something into it that simply isn't there. In fact, pretty much all of Isaiah from chapter 13 to chapter 23 is in the form of an oracle directed against the various earthly empires.
References to Satan in the Old Testament are very rare. Brief ones in each of 1 Chr
onicles and Zechariah, and the opening of the narrative in Job. In all cases, Satan comes across not so much as God's opponent or adversary, but as the one who plays a role for God by testing the faith of God's people.
I read once that he was a right jolly old elf.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:07
and, as we well know, both santa & satan are anagrams of each other...g_d werks in mysterious ways *eerie theremin music*
buford12
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:16
The Bible says Hell is a real place. Man was created for relationships - first and foremost one with God. I believe Hell will be very much like solitary confinement for all eternity away from any presence of God. Heaven is also a real place. And very much like the one we have here - minus the sin or the sin nature. We will work, play, renew relationships, etc. Some are scared it might be one large church service that lasts forever. Nothing could be further from the truth. And God will be there!
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:20
Anybody have scripture to back their claims?
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:36
Scripture doesn't back up claims - it *makes* baseless claims.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:36
satan & michael having a moment
nuff said
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:40
Scripture doesn't back up claims - it *makes* baseless claims.
Yet what is talked of here is based on scripture. So whatever is spoken of hell to be considered true and not just made up, must have some scriptural reference to back up what is said, right?
Neo
Posted on: 03/27/2013 16:55
There's lot of scripture that will back this up not4prophet. The real question is in our interpretation of that scripture. Should it be read literally or figuratively or metaphorically? And who is to interpret this metaphor? Are there agendas and ulterior motives behind the interpretation? If so then it turns into dogma.
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 17:03
Is the Hebrew definition of the word hell relevant?
chansen
Posted on: 03/27/2013 17:30
Scripture doesn't back up claims - it *makes* baseless claims.
Yet what is talked of here is based on scripture. So whatever is spoken of hell to be considered true and not just made up, must have some scriptural reference to back up what is said, right?
What?
Look, it's all made up. It's ancient fantasy fiction. You guys are just rabid fans of an older version of Harry Potter.
not4prophet
Posted on: 03/27/2013 17:48
So you get to make up your own version which is fine... yet link it to the biblical one?
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 03/27/2013 18:41
i grok what not4prophet is going on aboot -- he's inviting people to play tennis with him WITH a net rather than without.