Those are some sermon notes. I've never before seen anyone's such notes be so in-depth.

Hi Unsafe agreat serman I agree. One all Christains should have a look at it. God Bless airclean33

 

Hi airclean33

 

I personally believe that this man tells it like it is and he lives what he preaches ----I always get a lot out of listening to him ------

 

God Bless Brother

Hole Ness ...

 

The depression where Ness puddled out ... and old Celtic myth as good as you and yours ...

WaterBouy .... this is best ignored.....

There will be no sensible discussion with these two.

Lets participate on threads that are made with the intention of good dialogue.

Regards

Rita

A RitaTG--You have a right to post where ever you want . Please use it to do as you wish. But not listing seems to be the way you dislike others to be. Have you become that what you hate most?? airclean33

airclean .... when the conversation is one way and the purpose is clearly not about discussion then there is no listening by both parties (as in considering what is shared).

At that point is is no longer productive to continue.

Scripture does say something about useless arguments ....

Of course you can turn that on me all you wish ..... I would say your posts here have formed your reputation regarding discussion.

Regards

Rita

Hi RitaTG-- I'll worry about my reputation . You mite want to look to your own. As you seem to have some ander. against Bornagains. Now I could be wrong . It could be just Unsafe or me. As far as talking goes I talk to you. What you seem to believe is in the U.C.C way of walking with GOD. As you may understand I and unsafe are not U.C.C . Although I do admit I was sign in as one. many years ago. If you have questions of GOD. Or wish to put forward your belief . I am sure unsafe will probabilily  answer you. If shy can't just now I will try. Be warned my Christain faith is not the same as yours. But I believe we could talk without biting each others head off. Remember as a Christain I believe  I must try an be truthful.-   The thread here is. A JOURNEY TO  wHOLENESS.   Would you like to ad to this thread? Do you know what Unsafe is saying?----            airclean33

airclean .... my issue is with the way you and unsafe came in here to "teach" us and "evangelize" us.   You both claim "holy spirit" leading in this regard and as your posts have show ...it would seem to be clearly missed....

As far as "born agains" .... I happen to share that experience .....

From what I can see you have virtually no idea about what and how I believe...

RevJohn and others have shown you and unsafe clearly out in left field time and again.

No amount of explanation gets through to either of you.... and instead your posts take the conversation from ditch to ditch.....    Then there are the not so subtly veiled doom and gloom threats pulled from scripture that are somehow supposed to cow us into letting you teach us....   Oh yes .... the "god said" stuff "don't blame me"....

As a Christian I feel it is time you actually listened instead of being the know it all.

I am grateful that my faith is not like yours ......

"A Journey To Wholeness" ... maybe you should try it ...... listen for a change....

Given the history of unsafe's posts and yours what is there that should compell or attract me to even bothering with videos like this?

Can we talk without biting each other's head off? ..... indeed yes...... listen for a change ... actually listen....

Regards

Rita

 

 

and yet you had to write something :3

 

(and i had to reply...)

 

its hard, i know from personal experience...we have personal territory(physical, mental, spiritual, etcual) that we feel we must protect...

 

we can't force, guilt, shame etc (well, we can try, but...) people into speaking with us in the way that we want...

 

we can only be who we are...

 

shine on...

Hi  RitaTG---I respect Rev John very much not because I believe he is right all the time. But He is willing to stand an say why he believes what he dose. John open a thread here on his belief as a Calvinist. I know he is very smart and has done a lot of study on Gods word. I believe he held his ground well. But I am still not a Calvinist I think John knows this. If you state something I have and opinion on  . I will probably post in . This is wondercafe the last time I looked . So each person  may post there  opinion. To do so you must have been reading others posts or you would not have theknowledge to do so. .You have said your bornagain . What is The sign that you are?  By the way this I hardly ever ask someone if we were talking face to face.     After reading many of your post . It is hard to believe.--airclean33

 

Hi RitaTG    your quote     WaterBouy .... this is best ignored.....

 

Again you tell others what to do RitaTG and you never give any dialogue on my topics -- i would never ---never ---never go on another person's Thread and tell someone to ignore it ----Everything posted on The Faith and Religion sight  is of interest to someone and could be a benefit to someone ----just because you're not interested doesn't mean that all are the same as you ----What you believe is your belief -you have no right to tell other who or what they should believe and especially to ignore God's word ----  

 

You break rule #1of the conduct code which states ---Courtesy and Respect ---you agree to express your opinion about the persons IDEA NOT ABOUT THEM PERSONALLY ----

 

iF you have a comment on wholeness then please voice it -----this Thread is on a topic of the journey of wholeness --it is not a personal bash thread --if you feel the need to bash people and God's Word please do it on another thread that you can call the Bashing thread of unsafe and airclean33 and scripture from the Bible ---- and have all the fun you want to ------Nothing you can say about me or call me will upset me at all and this is why -----------

 

 

 

-----So RitaTG start your own Thread and have your fun ----But please stay on topic for this Thread ---

 

I Thank you in advance for your consideration on commenting on the topic not the person ---

 

Peace and Blessings to you RitaTG

 

  

Threads are not "owned" by anyone, as far as I understand it. You start threads knowing they might be derailed. You might not be too pleased about it, but that's part of being online. 

 

ninjafaery

 

Derailing is one thing ---bashing people who post is another -----and telling people what they should read or what to ignore about a subject is very --very ---rude and controlling on the part of the person doing it -----If you have the Holy Spirit and your working toward wholeness which is this -----Nothing missing ---nothing broken in your life ----you will have no want or desire  to bash and control others ---Period Plus

 

whole (həul) adjective

noun

ˈwholeness noun

 

 

Peace and Blessings to you ninjafaery

Justin Time De Livery, of adornment with fabrications, myths ... so people wouldn't know! The common choice ...

 

My comment is that if off-line as irony or dis railed as a train of thought on how to talk with people  versus talking at them ... it appears best to blither and their conscious part won't notice ... as the unconscious part is the portion (sect) needing stimulation as it didn't know in the 1st place ... where the source for Ire came from ... only God Gnoes ... and Roman attitudes burned that along with manic eons ... good times when we knew little to be responsible off. Now we know more and still wish to work the doings irresponsibly. Just look about you in science (observation) and see that locally ... knowledge doesn't work well! People arn't even curious as to the Y's and where fores ... thus it is easier to put eManna dither!

 

It is all in the dissonance called emotions (in various forms) the bible says we should dispence of such things (like Jonah) and make room for awareness of how not to do things (negative process allowing for arrested thoughts as light, when electrons fire) but with the role models it is so easy to just repeat what they say in different words ... and then giggle over how the evolution of word was received by the tories ... them hard to move with an alien experience ... the pious refute alien, contrary to biblical statutes about the stranger of the two. This is a result of emotions like fear and anger that interfere with intelligence gathering ... why the powers (terrorism's source) like to frighten the wee people with intelligence that's just not there ... thus the expression of raptured ... it is a catagorical necessity that the source retrieve what was previously lost and thus the echo ... or ego if you will as a'ba'd thing when the stoic loose it too!

 

This was know in one era as ba humbug when the sheepish of the world were well-screwed by the powers Oz'm-lye ... but you can't say that by law of the powers to confine the lesser's thoughts ... why we have wee black things that crowd out your thoughts bis night ... a transendental motion when your unconscious is well rheuminated or chewed over for useful digestion of wee thoughts! This is best left unknown ... why we have an unconscious mind that is best unseen if people believe it is imaginary and they don't accept imaginary things ... thus things stay the same and only thoughts move on as per Job 9:25 ...

 

There it is as if you wished to know ... in a religion that not knowing is best ... well defining the logically indefinite ... or other "wise" Complex that is just out of our range of knowing! Thus we don't know the actual profundity is in the literary work weaccept as biblically confusing. Thus we should test and prove everything ... this inclusive of God ... a pseudonym for God as chi hides about to see what becomes of what she didn't know as first Q'd ... and Ur not knowing the script (descrypt things are dark if you're not literate)!

 

If you look at anything said by the "other" as strange what would you gather from the (w)hole thing other than om-ega'd being bracketed? Thus the double-U was restrained and evolved as eM ... some say "UM" other a real OEM'r of a conversation that amounted to nothing between polities ... the mean that is allowed to ponder what was observed flighty between the 2, or deux ... a sight frequently unseen when in an infinite embrace of Ire!

 

Such madness is seldom seen ... why the bible says we should respect the unseen ... the things yah don't know anything about if you don't understand odd words ... a literary conundrum that Frye, Campbell and Whitehead wrote about extensively and religiously ... but many God-fearing people can't see it as they can't see their way thro' ID ... as something they fear to understand due to romantic rules that said common folk shouldn't know this ... thus upsetting many Hebrew personas of let Eire ... you know smelly old goads as stimulus to get your imaginary zoan working ... thus generating a lot of hot Eire that mere mortals would avoid as believing it kohl to getting around as rue bis a fire in a jinn's tone ... why inde lasses wear a ruby spot as adornment on the fore head ... hoping that some rich man would hang some hot thoughts there  about significant gatherings of everything ... but god as all that was has scattered that thought for amusement ... just to see how it would malfunction in time ... as Orson Wells stated it is a timeless machine ... it just keeps rollingover us ... still we don't kno wit ... and who'd want to listen to all that as extensive?

What is the echo heard when you send out a lot of unknown stuff?

 

Nothing ... god'still pondering, or is that Pan' deire NG as a non-govermental energy?

 

Yah have to know the infinite is deep and those anxious to get their hands on god believe the immortal can be contained ... a mortal err ...in the gammos! It is an eph'M fatale ... and you're right into wit if you know or not ... as far as intellect is concerned I find little 'ere! Thus is must be on the other side of the gap separating emotions from intellect ... an Eyre'n fabrication that exists only on the conjugated mind ... a peculiar dilemma to say less. But obviously there's more to it than meets the mortal "i"!

 

Can you justly imagine ... fraternity, equality and liberty to do conquest and thus warm the art of the whole thing ...

 

Charles Stanley is a Minister as is revjohn ---Charles Stanley has his beliefs as does revjohn ----no one Minister is better than the other ---they just think different and believe different -----and preach different ----If you don't listen to the video or read the sermon notes on Wholeness by Charles Stanley How then you can you  give an opinion of the video or the notes as you haven't seen it or heard it or read it ---  you can have a good or bad opinion on what Charles Stanley presents in this sermon on wholeness your opinion is your opinion it matters not to me ----

 

This Sermon on a Journey to Wholeness is worth the listen or worth the reading of his notes to anyone who is wanting to advance in their journey of Faith and walking with their Father in Heaven ----You just may get one thing that will help your journey along -----

 

Peace

Preaching is talking at a person, not allowing discussion as if "this is the only way" ...

 

Perhaps this is why creation scattered intellect in the first place to let the children of God start ... knowing nothing and then they would learn conversational linguistics so that questions and more probable solutions could rise in conjecture ... which balances out thesis with antitheisis as God alone is dangerous in the Shadow ... excessive passion can bring de hoes down ...

 

Some alien light allowed as satyr ... and Jesus said: "San Tan get behind me" and the Golden Ass was warmed ... by eph'Ire of abstract nature that was subliminal ... or as the Latin said eÐ'm-ism when psyche was swamped in Go-shin ... a meandering Delta that the Romans wouldn't accept as something that changed ... thus Egypt became and object of competition leading to Roman attitudes of A' Nihlism! The rest was put dead to rights ... things best not commonly known ...

Hi WaterBuoy-- You posted---

My comment is that if off-line as irony or dis railed as a train of thought on how to talk with people  versus talking at them ... it appears best to blither and their conscious part won't notice ... as the unconscious part is the portion (sect) needing stimulation as it didn't know in the 1st place ... where the source for Ire came from ... only God Gnoes

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Airclean-- What say we try this . I am not saying Jesus ever taught this way.

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Our Father who who art in heaven  hallowed be your name.

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What think you here . What do you believe this prayer is saying?

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Thy Kingdom come . Thy will be done. As it is in Heaven

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Now I beieve this is very inporten . So please pay close attention.There is much meaning here.

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Give us this day our daily bread.

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Wow I can't hardly believe what GOD is saying. He will feed us every Day.

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And forgive us our debts. As we also have   forgiven our debtors. 

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He will forgive. as we also should forgive.

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And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil.

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Have we not understood it is GOD who delivers us from evil. All Glory is HIS. We also should understand there is evil, in this world.But we can stand even now  With GOD. ---What think you  waterBuoy would it be easyer to understand?--airclean33

 

Sure they are. Some people are better at their jobs than others. You just happen to value insane and dangerous teachings more than other people, so you'll like guys like Stanley.

 

It has become completely predictable that, if you post a thread, it contains beliefs that are dangerous or ridiculous, or more likely both. You're a caricature of what people commonly think of as the average evangelical Christian. You just keep throwing this crap against the WC wall, hoping something will stick. Rita and myself and others inexplicably feel the need to clean up after you, just in case anyone impressionable reads this stuff. And also, to me, in case people who already think like you are having doubts, so as to foster rational thinking.

 

You are welcome, of course, to tell us on the threads we start how silly or musguided we are. That would be hilarious.

 

I think most people are completely done with your attempts to "help". For your part, you clearly don't want anything to do with me. Maybe you think I'm Satan's representative. Normally, that would be a joke, but I wouldn't put it past you to actually believe that. It's certainly no more ludicrous than your other beliefs.

 

Well there must be something to Unsafes posts because they usually garner over 200 responses. That probably translates into alot of "hits" or people reading them.

 

I personally enjoy Charles Stanley.

There is no doubt in my mind that you would.

 

Our family supports his ministry. I listened to an hour of him this morning while I worked. We get his monthly booklet, almost like readers digest.  We also buy some of his sermon sets, even though you could get them free from his web site.

 

He's 80! and he must pump out a sermon a day.

 

Just curious, did you listen to the sermon?

I also personally enjoy Charles Stanley

Our father which art in haven ... a swelling -c or is that a dutch Zea? A deuce 've a thing ... on which to float a fleeting thought for those that would like to sink thinking altogether into a lower state ... the subtle mind as unseen or perhaps just unconscious to mortal activity ... if unconscious by design, or created that way ... not much assistance to get a mortal out of a primal stew unless some changes occur as it mellows! Could we call that evolutionary as compared to the Roman push to make people not know? Metaphorically stew þ'iðée as a rule!

 

It's probably a rising and falling twitch of the imagination ... a mind at stretch trying to figure out how all this emotional stuff effected the very devil in his thinking! A man without thought is bound to fall ... to the mercies of a mysterious lass ... psyche who stole the light in response to what was impressed on her about ephemeral education ... and this Roman attitude about keeping women conceived and bare soled ... the old ones to connect to Q'loo's ... like a thief in the night ... for women are not to learn by Dais ... and thus the term night ladies for the Shadow persona all about you ... with unconscious intellect!

 

It may be they've succeeded tho' if you look at all the fixed and stoic ideas around that are conquering the earth on which we stand ... very unnatural f(ethe-ring) de props of flighty things ... buzzards or just raven minds ...

 

Feed people foolishness and what do you expect in return ... Canan ... rhetorical bull?  So that's what you get ... if you can't cultivate the whole thing ...

 

Some balance in belief and learning might be helpful ... but literally you know what the Roman derived bible believes of knowledge ... something that's just out there!

 

Wht strings like these attract so much attention ... ridiculaously sublime covering both polities but no thinking medium ... chi stole off in den eight ... like a double vortex ... as infinite in both ways ... 8 ... just goes round and round changing directions like mobius ... stripped .. downright rye humis ... if you read metaphorically ... satyr-like! Above that nothing but Descartian space ... to fiddle with thoughts ...

Is the soul mostly virtual imagination ... since it is difficult to grasp in reality?

Subtle hu'Moor if you don't know how to work with it ... it is an unworkable complex, or other-wise indeterminate ...