George

 

Were you in search of responses to the mediium or the message?

 

Hi Geofee

 

Just thought I would clarify that Jesus gave a new command of how to love your neighbour ----it use to be Love your neighbour as yourself -----

 

This is the new one -----

 

 

Peace and all the best in 2014

As one who came before me along this way said: "the medium is the message". This makes present the problem in making the trace of my passage manifest by this media.
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My bias is for dialogue and I am resistant to monologue.
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George

George

I concur. All should be done with love. But, what is love? How do I distinguih the experience of God's love from other experiences? How do distinguish the experience of my doing with God's love from other experiences?

I think you are correct, if we experiene these things and experience doing these things (my wording) God within us transforms and we become of and from God.

I would to see a collection of peoples' doing everyday things as God would do them. I wonder what would happen if we did those things? What might we learn? What happens if we master them through practice and disipline? What would happens to those who sincerly and authentically apired to be those things?

Even more, if all were like that what would be the result of comparing our experiences, trials and experiments? Wonder if we might discover a reality out there and within, worth the living.

The medium does reflect your message, the medium is the message, and the message is the medium.... I think.

regards

There is such an association of free, responsible, creative and courageous persons taking form in this time, as a cloud takes form to reach capacity and shower benefit for the land and it's peoples.
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George
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Here is an audio rendition of an earlier part of the service:

 

George

As one who came before me along this way said: "the medium is the message".

 

And what, George, is the general (corporate) attitude towards thinking psychics (mediums)?

 

They are left outstanding in their field as they are shunned by stoics that "do it their way" and don't need teaching or learning mediums. Some say they stopped learning about age 6-7  in Sunday School and there was no real Christian Learning or experience since.

 

"Outsiders like me should be taken out and shot as insanely going against the grain (tares)!" I've been told that distinctly by such stoics. In true Heiseinberg Style as I look in from the kohl outer rings ... I have to take this with great humur (plasma, bloody odd stuff) or I'D go crazy fretting about what mortals limit themselves to knowing when everything (god is all) is out there as a binding gravid (fecund ecclesiatic) force. Such is an odd blood lust that is nothing like Modern Christian Love to put down the alien. What you don't know when put down could come back at cha ... such is the indeterminate ego, or echo that reflects from the indistinguishable medium is real stuff.

 

But then if one is considered either too much one way or the other in the thinking, caring medium ... would you be out of the balanced field? Now this is just word in dark phantom form as laid out ... abstract voices of the ghosts of the past! Sort of rings a bell with Micah 7:9 ... but then Micah is a dark raw form often seen sparkling in Ba Salt. Something you can shape up (as formless metaphor) with some chipping away at it.

 

Is what we don't know more dangerous than what we think we know ... an evil comment in the garden of those at peace with what they believe is all contained by their private gods? Now is god private or just out there in a spectre of black and white ... and all shades (shadows in between the polity (extremes) like a publican?

 

Such things are po'lye understood by many temple attendees that believe the temple is complete when it is yet abstract (in-complete)? Research "abstract" ... it too is a dark word, soaking up light! Some even say the soul is a dark thing that Rome wouldn't like common people to know as something that would construct a peaceful processing medium! A thoughtpul medium is dangerous to the desires you know!

 

Sorry I can't say this clearer ... as it is foggy and complex 'ð issue ... and common folk like me are not supposed to know, think or be wise about desires that are beyond comprehension in a co-operative self-sustaining collective.  Thus we may be able to see why such things collapse into nothing Ness ... the adverse and destructive mode towards balance ... thus thought gets separated ... or abba'd lye off into the fringes of what we only think is human when it is in humane! The soul getsto you eventually ... you can almost feel that ruminating or chewing sensation by that psychic rat out there digesting alien words ...

 

These are dark and formless icons (Semites) to many that believe they had enough of teaching and learning and thus the rabbi 'Ið sector left holes in the page for the unknowing to look into as part of the Cos Moe Logical Humur ... Dante called this Divine Comedy thus establishing the base of Satyr that was carries on by Shakespeare ... a literary tradition needing great wisdom about alien words ...

 

My lesson for tha dazed on qwips ... they are sometimes hung up between the mules bummer and a thoughtless head ... no HS there ... or is that definitive in Allah Gory? God-love can be bloody awful when without Q'Loose/clues ...

 

When read into gives ones the chimeriis like a healthy bellie in other traditions santè-soul ... a great vacancy left open to cookies of wisdom ... milk and honey do' lists. You see Mrs Clause is the fire beyond the Cos ... becoming reason in time!

 

One really does have to dig into myths as constructs of soul! How many believe that? A literary few set aside by the illiterates? This allows the medium to be separated from the ends and expremes of polity ... but still ill accepted as subtle or underbearing beneath the overbearing bubbles!

 

Aldo   your quote      what is love? How do I distinguih the experience of God's love from other experiences?

 

This is what God's word says about His Love ----

 

 

Peace to you Aldo

yes.... but along with the experience of God's from God's presence, people have many other experiences. I think history teaches that the uneducated and educated, the simplest and the most sophisticated, the church leaders and followers ,,,, many and diverse people have confused experiences. The specifics seem lacking.

My querry, I I think stands

 

Aldo   ---If a preson has other experiences of Love ----it is not from God our Father in Heaven ---it is from  this world which is run by the God of this world Satan ----Human Love is based on our 5 senses ----- Human love is very demanding and is unstable  ---God's love has no demands ---

 

God's word on this

 

 

 

Peace

There are many experiences, some good some not, you have to illustrate what distinguishes God's love in existence and experience. I am told Satan knows scripture verbatim, but Satan does experience God's love in his relations to others.

I believe, apart from scripture we experience God's love hete and now and in present reality. I am interested to learn of such experience in mysel and in others, keeping in mind that such experience is from and of God, specifically and uniquely. Hence my query concerning experience...

 

Aldo

 

You are welcome to think as you like ---that is our choice -----your either with God or your not -----Satan is here to kill --steal and distroy us humans not to love us ----that is your spiritual battle -----who will win your soul ----Only Agape  comes from God ---it is a fruit of the Spirit -----without God there is only worldly Love and wordly experiences ------People who are not Born Again are away from God according to His word ---you don't have to believe this ---God Gave us free will to believe this world or Him -----If you go back and forth from the world experiences to God's experiences you are then a DOUBLE MINDED MAN ---and this is what God says about that ---

 

 

Peace

Yes I guess some people like being a simple minded man rather than a double minded man.

If the medium is the message, then the message is rather poor because I could not understand the medium (recorded speech) very well because I am hard of hearing and the sound quality of the video is not very good.

 

To me, "God" is the totality of being as a unified whole. And "the love of God" is the unitive love we experience when we experience reality as a unified whole.

 

Experiencing the very unitiveness of the universe is experiencing God and God's love. In the highly complex emotional beings that we are, the experience of the unified whole (God) is also an experience of unitive love (God's love.) This is not just my speculative theology or philosophy, it is so from my experience. The experience of reality as a unified whole opened me to unitive love, and keeps me open. Once the channel of communication with God is opened, it remains open. Then the medium is God, and the message is God, and the messenger is God.

 

When we love God, we love everything; when God loves us, IT loves everything.

 

If we so choose, we can leave the word "God" out of it entirely, and the unified whole would still be unified, and experiencing IT would still result in unitive love.

 

With or without God, eh? Theology for atheists from a simple-minded man.

Arminius

Ageement in all. The point I make is how do we get to that unitive experience. When Christ says "follow me" what do we actually do in our every day actions? Is what we do in "Christ-specific" way repe as table with constant outcomes? If so do we have experiments that reveal "the Way".

Sound is also a problem watching the message by smartphone.

regards

Hi Arminius   your quote     Experiencing the very unitiveness of the universe is experiencing God and God's love

 

To my way of thinking it is experiencing God's Creation of this universe ---God created this planet out of love to House His Human Creation ---The first Adam ---then He gave Humans complete control over this earth ----and if you look around you will see just how bad we humans are doing at that ----This universe shows that there is a God ----the trees --flowers --birds --fish ---animals etc all show God ---God loves all humans I agree with this ---it is we humans that don't love God ----But for us Humans  to show others God's love we have to be connected to God to experience giving out real Apape . Seek God and all will be added to you ----

 

This is just me thinking out loud ----Peace 

We "polish the mirror". In this way we reflect our inner Self through our outer self. In everything we do, says the teachings, if we do so with honesty, sincerity and detachment, we follow the Christ. This will give us the humility and the perspective of what is real in this world and what is illusion.
Polishing the mirror creates a sympathetic vibration between the lower self and the higher. In this way we become "One with God". In this way we find that "the Way" is within all of us and not doled out to just a select few.

I remain intrigued ... General statements --- true statements but general. Doing things that are not really specific actions (e.g. polishing the mirror) do help, but not in practical ways.

In the simplest of terms:, Christ washed his disciples feet in a very ordinary way during very ordinary activity. What happens when I wash the feet of others, or serve others as I interact with them. I take communion for the sake of others who find the sharing beneficial, I serve them. Specific real concrete activities illustrate Christ reality and impact on me as I do to theose I interact with. I suspect the same happens to others who wash the feet of their followers, or serve their followers. If people have a similar outcome or result from doing similar things, then we have some grounds for developing an experimental approach to Christianity --- and indeed an experiential approach.

When other foundations fail... perhaps reality speaks to us in we can presently, actually see, hear and understand in and from following...

I search for what I can have people do for themselves (especially young people on their journeys of discovery or discernment) to discern for themselves through their direct first hand experience of God through God-like or Christ-like activities and actions they can do, which lead to existing and being those of and from such wayfaring.

Try the experiment, discern the reality... then choose

I remain intrigue that this is not a more common approach to those who come out of the experiential or experimental religions of the 18th and 19th centuries.

Well I am appreciating these dialogues and discussion for sure...

Hi GeoFee

My puter isn't the best so maybe its my problem but I found the audio in your OP very poor. I used caption and some of those words didn't make sense......

 

I understand you are talking about love. I can easily say I love everyone while at the same time I actually might not even enjoy having a cup of tea with some people, meaning I truly may not even  like  them if you know what I mean.......my bad....??

 

Of course,  if love is meant as not harming anyone and wishing everyone good will... then I can agree to feeling and believing in that aspect of it.

 

I'm not sure I understand this thread. I do understand what unsafe is posting from the bible.

P.S.

Yikes....I don't want to sound like a bumpkin. Here's Henry Drummond's The Greatest Thing in the World - 1880.

 

Thanks folk, for the audio quality comments. Back to the drawing board.
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George

Hi stardust...

 

Drummond has played an important part in the unfolding of my understanding. His insight informs my discourse. Love is not only something we feel, it is something we express. We express it by the practice of its attributes, which Drummond elaborates and amplifies.

 

I am quite aware of love as a sentiment, appreciating the warm glow of its presence. I am not a fan of limiting love to sentiment, loving people in some abstract manner. This notion of love, where its practical application is ignored, leads to dissappointment and frustration. Much as we see in our advanced western culture.

 

George

 

 

 

I have come to believe that every 'experience' is unique, and probably uncommunicative

in other than crude, metaphorical, poetic, insufficient ways. (One cannot even reply to "how are you feeling?" accurately...) 

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Chansen's God is the pathway from his hippo campus to his amedulla(sp)

WaterBoey's pissed off 'cause there's so much we don't know or cant (or even shouldn't!)

Rev.John is getting a little tired of those who wont, don't, can't, 'get it'

Neo is Soooo mistaken thinking Jesus is back...(He never left)

Rev. Davies is almost too big for the room.

Aircleen on the merry-go-round, caught the golden ring...and he's hanging on to it.

Spong provides 21st century understanding of 1st century reality

There are an infinite number of even numbers.

There are an infinite number of odd numbers. (Go figure)

Why it's good to be old: You are never pushed to do almost anything, whatever money you have, it's the right amount, every day is a gift.

Do I have muse privileges in here?

Hi John:

 

Yes, you do have musing privileges here!

 

And yes, there are an infinite number of even numbers, and an infinite number of odd numbers, and an infinite number of negative and positive numbers, but the sum of each negative/positive pair is zero, and the number of the infinite totality of pairs is also zero. Although the infinite reality is full of infinite possibilities, it is also the same zero: Infiniteness, uniqueness, oneness, and sameness, all rolled into one nothingness. Clear as mud, eh?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Aldo:

 

How do we get to this unitive experience?

 

Introspection, meditation, contemplation, contemplative prayer, or any of various kinds of meditative or contemplative exercises.

 

United with God is what we innately and ultimately are. In order to experience what we ultimately are, all we need to do is remove whatever is in the way. This is pretty much our entire world of concepts, our attachments, our egocentricity. We have to empty ourselves to be filled, we have to become nothing so that we may become everything.

 

After this transformation, everything is still the same, but everything has also changed. We are at one with God, we are what we see, we are what we perceive, everything around us is as godly as we are, and united with us in the body of God. We feel united with everyone and everything, and see God in everyone and everything, and act accordingly.

 

What exactly that action is depends on our personal abilities, capabilities, talents, and circumstances.

 

Before enlightenment: chopping wood, carrying water.

After enlightenment: chopping wood, carrying water.

-ancient Zen proverb

 

 After enlightenment, everything is still the same but everything has changed. We are the wood we chop and the water we carry. We are the people and the environment we look at, and act accordingly.

 

 

 

Its an old discussion isn't it... Does enlightenment precede practice or does practice lead to enlightenment.

My bent is is to be formed first then find salvation and holiness. Hence my 'existentialist' label.

Sometime, I suggest tongue in cheek, that "if you have to pray, then God is too far away". I am more comfortable with the experiential, then am led to words and awareness.

I expect both venues suffice... (your approach seems to be to unify them): yet the proof of the formation will be in the existing or being that follows formation.

So from vantage point, I look to realize praxis and search for those specific things that should be done to open the 'doors of perception' or awareness, knowledge and acts of being or existing.

Not sure that chopping wood will lead to to the reality which I sometimes find and follow, then express and manifest.

Thanks.

I totally agree, we're not experiencing the return of Christ, it's the reappearance of Christ.

Perhaps we may think in terms of realization. Everywhere in the earth persons are realizing their identity in the primal person who is one and undivided. A person comprised of diverse capacities and agencies, all oriented to the revival and flourishing of human being in and through the natural order.

 

George

 

Before enlightenment: chopping wood, carrying water.

After enlightenment: chopping wood, carrying water.

-ancient Zen proverb

 

"When around one everything has become silent, solemn as a clear, starlit night, when the soul comes to be alone in the whole world, then before one there appears, not an extraordinary human being, but the eternal power itself, then the heavens open, and the I chooses itself or, more correctly, receives itself."

- Soren Kierkegaard

 

I have delighted in the freedom found in that divine presence by which my particular manifestation of the universal is animated. The daily practice of relinquishing ownership and control of all that transpires within and without me.

 

In the sound files above, which are not clear for most, I am present at the centre of attention, among a gathered people. In this appointed and authorized role, I make manifest the living stream of thought grounded in and informed by my journey through the diverse landscapes of my experience in the phenomenal world.

 

My trust does not consist in the choice of words or the manner of delivery. Rather, I am wholly surrendered to the dynamic presence of that unity by which all division is overcome; effortlessly. By the sharing of recollections and stories, I offer nothing more, or less, than opportunity for insight and encouragement in the person who has eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

During my years with the United Church, where I am an employee but not a devotee, I have been welcomed and embraced by folk of rural and urban habitation and persuasion. This has nothing to do with confidence in technique or information. It has to do only with the simple being of myself in the gathered company, as I am myself in my appointed times of solitude and contemplation.

 

I have also experienced, as is to be expected where creative potential is unfolded, refusal and rejection. In my youth this angered me. In my maturity it deeply saddens me. I have no response but a phrase offered from the place of divine humiliation: "Forgive them. They do not know what they are doing."

 

Now I see a faithful witness with eyes lifted up, seeing beyond the boundary of perception and into the reality of our common, divine, human being.

 

George

 

 

 

 

Neo Neo is soooo mistaken thinking Jesus is back...(He never left)

 

I totally agree, we're not experiencing the return of Christ, it's the reappearance of Christ.

 

 

I;m just going to have to give up on disagreeing with you,,,

it just never works our

NOT 'our'

 

Never works out.

 

(one of these days I am going to post an error-free one and really surprse the

8% that actually read them)

I'm sorry.

The light was not gone ... just burried in the dark-Ness of word (satyr) something that authorities generally do not wish to know ... and common folks shouldn't either for then we'd be one up on them!

 

It is even said that the detailing of the word is devilsh ... although some take it to be a god of sorts! This may be just from looking at it from the other side of the odd din-Eire state of a confused psyche ... normal here as the world appears crazy to me. Maybe you haven't noticed what avarice has done to the Golden Rule a primary command that is becoming more evident to those that do etudes on the human psyche in mass (collective or ecclesia)?

 

Do you know how many isolate themselves from collective thought? Allows for a lot of outside perspectives that they pass off as inside information! Thus confused mirror neurons that cause motor neurons to race ... like die-lexis, dilexiç behaviour?

 

Just the vision to turn the entire thing upsidedown in psychic dimensions. Did you known that this happens to icons on the back-side of the eye? is that weird or what? Some say weird things are normal ... so how would they know magi' if they fell over it ... "c" being silent as it falls? Can you see it before reflexion and IT appears in bent state?

 

Such is enough to startle a stoic ... gets them initiated into unknowns from where they start out as children believing the understand it all because of an overdose of confidence people about them! One should exibit a bit of doubt to children ... stimulates curiosity ... not an evil inquisition that burns all unknowns!

George,

Do you suppose if you thought out loud in a Christian Educational System that someone would command silence to the multiple entendres coming forth?

 

That could lead to the 5th symphony ... or musical sympath-etics as bi sected and thus the phi that turned up later as Q!

 

This would be considered dissonant in the one-track process ... sometimes called mono-theistic (single-god-thing) that is essentually fractured in this dimension ... a bit cracked as an integral-collective-psyche*!

 

 

*I've been told there is no such thing approaching ecclesiastic state. Such non-mediated contemplatives are beyond me ... something referred to "myth" as allegory of that which is "beyond" us and thus to come as in the Latin expression co-ire (qu'ere) that mutated into "coital" which is not what you might believe it means. Reseach that word in Miriam-Webster ... it is enough to make you Moe'Sab-IT (museabit). This simulates time (holiday in ironworker's terms) off for mental recreation instead of just doing until you drop ... why mortals need sombulant periods of sapient, or sapience behaviour ... lets give religion a rest!

 

It is just the opposite on the otherside of the infinite mind that divined as dual ... in some instances that might be considered momentous depending on where you're coming from! In the occipital lobes this is tha dark background of creative thought, being explicit ... for mortals to destroy as advocates of the aforsaid!

 

John hinted this is something that shouldn't be known ... by a bunch of people simulating elder bare-"i"s! The "i" is shuley imaginary as the spirit of the brain is eclectic or elec-tick!

(Neo)

 

I;m just going to have to give up on disagreeing with you,,,

it just never works out

 

I meant and mean that I agree with you and my 'disagreements' always seem to end up by my agreeing with you. 

Yes, I knew this {wink}. This kind of theosophy, to me, gets beyond the theological cul-de-sac that organized religion has caught itself into. The idea that "faith" and nothing but "faith" is all we'll ever need to advance as a race doesn't bode well with our intellect. Or how God sacrificed His "one" and only "one Son" because of our inbred sin, and has been waiting for the end of the world to return from Heaven to reconcile the lambs verses the goats for evermore, sounds like a totally unreal scenario; a scenario in which, of course, only good little Christians are the winners.


The Christ Consciousness of Humanity has never left us nor could it ever leave us: It is the sum total of the Awareness of the Human Soul. This would imply, however, that no one religion could own the Christ and that anyone of us, as part and parcel of this one Whole, could reach the same Awareness as that of the Christ.


Discovering these kinds of truths hits Christian theology like a brick wall, which, to me, is why it's painted itself into a corner and is having so many problems convincing others. Of course, as AC is always willing to tell me, that this is just my belief and I'm free to believe this as I may. To which he's totally correct, too bad AC always has to follow this claim with a big "but". {wink and smile Airclean}


Happy New Year John Wilson, and to all of my other friends here at the WCafe. Let's hope that 2014 will be a year of awakening for us all.


Cheers.

 

Disagreeing with Neo is like disagreeing with oneself, eh?

One must be more discerning with the's elf?

 

With a wiggle and a giggle it's lither souð of the way (slippery as sat'n) like a thought in a closed boche ... then one doesn't have to be wise to it ---Proverbs 1:8 ... if you don't know will you be more relaxed until it hits yah?

 

G~O~D; almighty; nothing gathering (n' Circe'ð; like round and about) with a tre*men*deuç' force ... gravid eh bi? One of the darker and unseen things ... can even overcome Light and thus the fallout on the Shadow that's up there! Like Homer Simpson ... just because I understand doesn't mean I care ... the other side of "just because I care doesn't mean I understand" ... mirror neurons will do that in the state of mind that is disbelieved ... an imaginary entity like "i"! The later reversion is X-clam-a-tory ... as opened up in peculiar dimensions ... that's mêmè ... a Gael thing sought out by a' Theist ... just to cause chaos in the purely moral type! Then the et'IHC is surely out of 'ere ... upstanding in this peculiar field!

 

What's peculiar? Have you ever looked closely at the human condition that is bent on emotions instead of intellectual effort to get beyond that ... as dissonant conjecture? What's that mean? I guess it is for me to know and other's not to if you chose the opposing's IDe, like the winds of March when spring causes up an going powers that the animai-nus can't resist as they luçe sense in an emotional season---Ecclesiastees (if you can get a grip on IT)!

 

The devil is in the details of the splatter (onanism) when you take responsibility for that which you had no control over as "chi" drew you in. Who was injured in the event ... something men don't understand about things they don't know in the larger sting carried out by burds and beas crossing ... sometimes spelt as beast as a butté (booty; something to cover thei sole in mire redaction).

 

God want'ed reproduction (copiest) as he knew many of these productions wouldn't function as ole ... they couldn't get by the emotional hump, a mere grave ID entity in space as a physical allegory of what goes on in mire-neurons! I can say it that way so you miss the reflexion portion (sects) or the warped thought about pure emotional existence. It isn't how it seems ... more like a smudge on the horizon of the bottom line ... ugly lyon with no place to rest? Po' little þ'uss ... nothing to be hung up on like no allegorical cheeks ... always another one! Sort of like etudes on sic minds ... abstract ... never completed; a study in the Shadow as human forces?

 

Are you dieing to understand? Perhaps you can't see it in the zero sum game as you are too far away from the fringe! The edge people are generally sharper like they have a thirst to know about that other side ... sort of a martyrs drive for something better that must beyond 'ere ... generating imagination ... the Eyre-Eire portion of psyche ... that mortal powers deny! Alien intellect eh-bi ... like a strange conjecture or science fiction as looking toward the future without raping the young for a prophet ... Jay Zus did you see that go by like Jack on the tear?

 

Some take it as an infinite gammos between the black and white as word exchanges place for thought ... and the mind is in a place of its own---Dante! Possibly a clear space for cede to fall as tares ... in the dark! Initially one needs a lot of experience to know what's to wit ... mostly everything if you lear around the dark side ... and get over it in delight of screw ups and what you can learn from eM the subtle population ... bottom line!

 

What did that say? I don't know ... go fe cure when passion settles the soul!

Lite & rare "E" device laid to rest ... once know as "chi' ... in waiting for a slip of the heart ... graft in one perspective of Sharon DNA! Valentine's issue ... if you know all the metaphors for "tine" as a mental needling ... then you get the point! Many don't ... requires a work in process! Why human's need jobs ... gives rest to the noodle in many cases! Did you recall what I said about the brain being a large gonad!

 

Exercise it or it'll screw up ...