I think the reign of God has always been a given—if one regards God as the totality of being.

In nature, the whole asserts its will over the part and maintains a balance between the egocentric part and the cosmocentric whole. Only we humans have removed ourselves from this natural balance and are asserting our ego-, ethno-, and anthropocentric will over the will of the whole. The anthromorphic and anthropocentric God, who runs the universe for the sole benefit of our species, or a select few members of our species, is a reflection of our ego-, ethno-, and anthropocentric thinking.

We do this at our peril. The totality will eventually eliminate any species that puts itself above the totality. To me, "Let not my will but thine be done," means that we subordinate our individual will to the will of the whole.

It's eight in the morning here in B.C., and I must go out into the garden and do my part to find my balance with God. Which, today, means transplanting my tomatoes, eggplants and peppers from the greenhouse into the garden. 

Hmmm,

the title talked about predicting the beginning of teh Reign of God.  The OP referred to the return of Jesus.  They are not the same thing.

Teh Gospels are clear that we can't predict either event.  But for different reasons.  THe eschaton or parousia or return of Jesus/Christ can't be predicteed because "no body knows the time".   Howver teh Reign of God has already begun.  Indeed it can be argued that as far as Scripture is concerned the Reign of God has always been--it is just that the people of the world have been a little slow in recognizing it and living into it.  But most definitively the Reign of God is announced in the Gospels as having begun.  And also as yet to be fulfilled.

You go on to say: "It's eight in the morning here in B.C., and I must go out into the garden and do my part to find my balance with God. Which, today, means transplanting my tomatoes, eggplants and peppers from the greenhouse into the garden."

Greetings from a fellow gardener. And speaking of gardening, Arm, I think I already sent you the first of the following two short videos below--one is 6 minutes long and the other is 10).

ABOUT THE WORK OF ARTISTS, CATHERINE JEAN KING (Our daughter) AND WAYNE ADAMS A HUSBAND AND WIFE TEAM. WAYNE IS A MASTER CARVER AND BUILDER. CATHERINE SPENDS TIME CARVING, PAINTING AND WRITING. BOTH SHARE IN ALL THE WORK, INCLUDING THE GARDENING.

The two-story floating house is a living work of art, which is ever changing and growing. It is located in it own cove--they named it Freedom Cove--( about 20 mins. by boat taxi from Tofino, BC. The house is surrounded by several buildings, including a floating garden, where, almost year-round, they grow almost all the vegetable plants they need. There are also many flowers and other plants. By the way, I did their wedding at the house years ago. There are several short videos here:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=freedom+cove+float+house&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ...

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Arm, you say "the reign of God has always been a given."

Realizing that the following are tough and perhaps rhetorical questions, may I ask: To what extent is it a reality? If not, why not?

Yes, Robert Browning wrote: "God's in his heaven, all's right with the world." But I can imagine some skeptical and cynical realist asking: What was that poet smoking? Or was he just using his poetic license?

Hmmm... first you have to define 'God.'  Then you know Whose 'reigning.'

'God' has a specific and non-specific consciousness.  Everything is 'God.'  God cannot do one thing, be 'Void.'  From Creation-God emerged a self-consciousness, traditionally termed 'the Father.'  The Will of God, a specific consciousness, much like the analogy that our cells in our bodies do what they do without our frontal lobes knowing it, but we can project our consciousness into them and affect them.

God-the-Father is an arbitrary, all-powerful consciousness.  The saving grace in knowing that threatening fact, is that He knows Himself, as 'good' and 'love,' and all that positive kinds of stuff, as well as being no pushover for the entities in Creation that haven't got a clue of their true 'self,' created and part of 'God,' like the Father does.  The Father would dearly love everyone to know themselves without ego/false pride illusions, just as He had to emerge from the chaos of Creation Himself.  We're just going through the same drill He did, on our own smaller scale, and with some help, which He didn't have when God became Self-Conscious.  And He's quite tired of the mess that human consciousness is in, particularly right now, when it's about to destroy the life of the planet that keeps the human animal alive, despite its veiled consciousness.

I know that description is anathema to post-World War II theology.  Take it for what it is.  Theologians seem far better at saying why one's perception of God is wrong than affirming anything to the positive.  A spiritual conundrum of our age.

Jesus and the Church gave us two options.  Jesus said you can take the hard road, be rejected by all that you know, to get to where He was.  Or, the Church provided us the Atonement theory, that Jesus' sacrificial death grants us salvation if we don't take the hard road.

Paul took the hard road, and at the point of suicide in prison, realized 'Christ,' which in fact was just perceiving his eternal soul distinct from the human animal consciousness, which is why Paul was not concerned about rules and social structures, whereas the writers of Deutero-Paul were, because they had not gone through the 'Self-immolation' that Paul did, and Jesus pointed towards.

Imagine if all the peoples of the world could perceive their eternal souls distinct from their animal consciousness, at One in recognition with the Father, and all His deep wisdom and goodness?

Sounds like pie-in-the-sky.  Yet when you think of it, we are the first global civilization in history.  Civilizations rise and fall, usually because they destroy their environment to sustain them.  When business-science culture meets global warming, I wonder who will win?  Then humans have a survival problem, because business is our survival system.  And it is the most fragile survival system in human history.  We survive because of business, directly, not the Earth.

Something's itching in the back of my head about this.  All humanity facing the same thing, the Earth rebelling against us.  Heck, even the myth in Genesis says that God made a covenant that He wouldn't wipe out all life on Earth again, I wonder if that meant He will protect it from humans doing that very thing?  Legal question. 

But if a calamity of that magnitude happens, the domino effect of social-political-economic crisis meeting ecological meltdown, I wonder what the spiritual ramifications for the human psyche will be after its all over, for those who survive?  Maybe humans will finally 'get it,' what God was trying to do since Mount Sinai?  God's Law etched in the hearts, because there is nothing else left...

Of course, modern humans are programmed to reject such a scenario, for a mountain of reasons.  But history is not just in the details, but in the gross, overall story and where it is leading.  It leads to all kinds of possibilities, if we don't go 'apocalyptic' but just scratch our whiskers, and see the trajectory of civilized and natural history are heading for... and the tough road the survivors must pass through.

BTW, feel free to check out www.unitheist.org   also, all are invited to join the unitheist group on Facebook. At www.scienceagogo.com  (Hosts in Australia, Britain and North America) check out the thread Philosophy of Religion, all religions... It has over 2,250,000 hits and counting.

I'm back, too. Gosh, I can't give you a long answer, but I like the dialogue. I think the fact that we talk about him right now, shows that the reign of GOD has begun.

I don't think you can predict it because the new "era" won't happen from one day to another. I do believe in the rapture, though.

Hi RevKing:

If "God" is the self-creative totality of being, in state of unity, inseparableness, or synthesis, then the totality is the only reality, and the totality has always acted in the interest of the totality. Only we humans, despite our intelligence, or rather because of our intelligence, have removed ourselves from the wholistic interest of the totality and think and act in the narrow, separate and disparate interest of the individual, group, or species.

We humans have removed ourselves from the reign of God, and is up to us to re-submit ourselves to the reign of God by feeling, thinking and acting of behalf of the unitive whole.

We have, perhaps for the first time in human history, realized that the evolutionary process is God's creative process. This process is fluid, constantly moving forward, and we are not only moved by the process but also are movers of the process. We are evolved and evolvers, created and creators, and are, or can be, God's co-creators or co-evolvers. When we discover and use our creative powers to creatively affect the process that is creating us, from the viewpoint and in the spirit of the unitive whole, in unitive consciousness and unitive love, then we become God's co-creators in the creative game of evolution.

When we have fully realized this, and have become God's co-creators and co-evolvers, and feel, think, think, act and create as unique individuals on behalf of the unitive whole, then the reign of God over us humans will begin.

When this will be is up to us.

RevLGKing,

you write "Predicting The Beginning of the Reign Of GOD: Is it possible?"

Just look at all the different voices here on WC making G_d possible:

We have crazyheart asking us all of her questions.
 

We have GeoFee, who shows what can be involved in practicing G_d, even sounding a clarion call for others to summon G_d.

We have LBmuskoka, who brings out G_d with her beauty and strength amidst all the struggle around.
 

We have Gray Owl, who has been touched by the Spirit itself, become a necessary Outsider to examine our civilization's ways.
 

We have SG, who seems to be living G_d all the time, so open and nuanced, showing the worth of that stance and the dangers (some monsters are attracted to light).
 

We have graeme, who writes to power, fighting the injustices of his own province and trying to show the horrors that our countries do.

And much more here on WC, acting and encouraging G_d.

Now, IW,  tell us the reason behind your use of the interesting word 'G_d'. Is it a noun? Or what? Perhaps you realize that pious Jews even today use a similar word, 'G-d', with the obvious intent that G-d is not to be thought of as a person with a name.  It is my understanding that pious Jews use this device so as to avoid thinking of G-d as a supernatural and/or three-dimensional, masculine and human-like being--one to whom we can point and say: "See. There he is! There God is. But it seems he doesn't see us yet. Let us see if we can get his attention."

THE FOLLOWING IS NOT MY STYLE. IS IT YOURS?

Who if any among us is willing to say: "I really believe in the one true God. Currently he is in heaven and he is like a supernatural human-like being with the supernatural ability to look down on us and see everything we do--good and evil. I believe that if we praise him and pray to him he will come and destroy all evil, including all evil people who will suffer forever, in hell. Then he will set up his eternal kingdom on earth in which we will live in bliss, forever." 

At this point may I add: Perhaps I should start a new thread with a new title: LET US ASSUME THAT GOD IS.  AND, WHEN WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO LOVE GOD AND ONE ANOTHER, GOD WILL RELEASE THE POWER TO DO ALL THINGS NECESSARY TO DELIVER US AND THE WORLD FROM EVIL.

I FEEL THAT GOD AND US ARE, SYMBIOTICALLY AND TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON ONE ANOTHER. SEPARATELY, WE CAN DO NOTHING TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. HOWEVER TOGETHER, AND BEGINNING NOW, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

Perhaps this is what Arm means when he comments: "When we have fully realized this, and have become God's co-creators and co-evolvers, and feel, think, think, act and create as unique individuals on behalf of the unitive whole, then the reign of God over us humans will begin."

AMEN

That's actually a pretty depressing thought.  Without belief in a purely speculative supreme being, we can do nothing to make the world a better place?

Thankfully, we know this is not true.

Chansen asks a question which makes assumptions that are not true--a common practice of atheists:

He asks: "Without belief in a purely speculative supreme being,  we can do nothing to make the world a better place?"

Thankfully, we know this is not true.

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I do not believe in "a god" who is "a purely speculative supreme being".  Saying GOD is, is an affirmation, it is not a belief. It is like saying and affirming that existence is. The same is involved when I affirm that I am, or that you are.

Hi chansen:

We have been through this before. "God" need not be a purely speculative supreme being, as you suggest, but can be regarded the creative, transformative or transcendental power of the universe. In a self-creative or self-generative universe, this power is not a supernatural or supreme being but an omnipresent cosmic power.

There is no need to believe in a creative cosmic power. Some of us feel it, others don't, but everyone who is creatively active uses it. If the universe is a unitive whole—as the name suggests—then we feel all kinds of unitive feelings when we feel ourselves as belonging to the unitive whole.

Some of us describe the self-creative unitive whole of which we are an inseparable part as "God," and this definition of God is unitheism, but there is no need to believe in the unitheistic God. The self-creative unitive universe can be described in words of secular philosophy just as easily as in religious terms.

When everything is God, this is as good as no God. But it is also one God. And, because everything is godly, there can be any number of deities. This kind of spirituality fits any religion but is also atheistic.

This is atheistic spirituality, or atheism in the name of God. Or, as Brett put it, the nicotine patch to wean the religiously addicted from their addiction.

(It could also be regarded as the nicotine patch to wean the atheistically addicted from their addiction ;-)

I believe I've written it before here...

But, essentially, I am so dogmatic aboot avoiding dogma, that I do that to avoid confusing the finger with the moon it is pointing at.

If I look around the world, I see G_d there...Enlightenment is spreading around the world as people are hacking reality, getting fed up with the spoon-fed reality that has been created for them.  They're storming the Gates of Heaven and, together, consciously REMAKING IT :3

Hear that sound?  That is universe laughing.

IT SEEMS ATHEISTS FEAR TRUTH. THUS THEY CENSOR IT

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Arm, following on your comment: When I make comments similar to yourS and to the ones I write below, to the master atheist Austin Cline of ATHEISM.ABOUT.COM   he refuses to publish them, with no response as to why.

http://atheism.about.com/b/2005/01/11/prove-god-exists-win-usd-1-million...

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HERE IS MY LATEST COMMENT (Let's see what happens)

It is not be difficult, I assume, for anyone to understand me and what I mean when I say:  I am, you are, we are. And we all exist, live and have out being within self-evident existence. Therefore, let us lovingly connect with existence, with one another and, collectively, enjoy the experience as if it is one that goes on ad infinitum."

In the same way, it seems to me, it  should not be too difficult to understand me and what I mean when I say: GOD is that from which existence as we know it evolved and into which it continues to do so, ad infinitum.

Thus, as the poet John Keats (1795-1821) put it, life becomes, like all good art, "a thing of beauty":
 
  A thing of beauty is a joy for ever:
  Its loveliness increases; it will never
  Pass into nothingness; but still will keep
  A bower quiet for us, and a sleep
  Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.
  Therefore, on every morrow, are we wreathing
  A flowery band to bind us to the earth,
  Spite of despondence, of the inhuman dearth
  Of noble natures, of the gloomy days,
  Of all the unhealthy and o'er-darkened ways                    10
  Made for our searching: yes, in spite of all,
  Some shape of beauty moves away the pall
  From our dark spirits....
 

http://www.online-literature.com/keats/3811/

Well, if Austin Cline argues against the atheistic God, then he argues against atheism. He can't do that.

It is not possible to disprove the existence of a God who does and does not exist.

Well, some Atheists* fear truth, just like some Theists* fear truth as well and some even censor the Truth :3  Gotta watch out for those Humanists*, they're TRICKY ;3

My life:  Invite.  Watch.  Expand.  Misstep and laugh.  Encourage.

* I don't think I've ever met one of these folks or even had any kind of correspondence with one -- I wonder what they are, some kind of ice cream? ;3

The Reign of God will be when God becomes just as obvious as molecules and energy are to scientific Atheists.  There aren't any discussions on here whether molecules or energy exists.  It'll be a great day when everyone doesn't have to explain or define God.  Just accept reality, the way Atheists simply accept what is, molecules and energy.  No big deal.  God's obvious.  Sometimes I think the Veil is actually an Iron Curtain. 

God is an infinite Love buried in A'M'n uh as a small piece of the hole thing ... aesthetic in space? One has to dig th' Erie way out of it as dark and misty call ... in exponent of word!

Is that big enough challenge for those that like to live in a pool of hate? You don't believe ... just look around at our environment. Webster says this is the intellect of the bodean willis (some paraphrase included) for we may express god as we wish it, heh's in a word. The Roman tradition is to keep this silent ... they like to control it---Tacticus?

It should be set free so we know what bugs the neighbour ... but you can't tell the truth the physical powers won't hear of it. Thus God, Love, Truth and devilish thinking lie Able'& burry'd  in a Poe'M or as's Tory ... fixation and institutional flaw in physical mankind ... anon knows, or anon a'mous; imaginary Jinn ... related alchemically to spirits ... man fears ghosts especially Kol th'aughts as they pass over head as myth ... few understood!

Science is observation; let those with eyes see and ears hear than you must probe the subscript and superscripts ... sublime and ridiculous Ekos of RIP'les from unknown dimensions ... God(s) ether's Ides? These are non existent vapours ... like ignored thoughts! Perhaps they should be rolled over in the mind as they scroll out in Imaginary Fields ... Isle of Squuy ... or Sky! Nardish thought in ole tongues ... fi*ords?

Don't tell truth in a hateful land, one must cover it as's Torah, with rift, that's rapture if'n you can get right intuit!

Grey Owl, you say:

Such thoughts as those above prompt the asking of any number of interesting and important questions. For example, since I came realize that GOD--or whatever name is comfortable for you to use--is as real and as self-evident to me as our next breath (spirit-filled molecules), I am moved to ask: How can we get this idea out there for all to ponder?

BEWARE OF THE POWER OF RESISTANCE

Resistance, it seems, our resistance is our major problem. Why is it that we are we so resistant to the abundance of GOD? The universe is so ready to give us all that we need--physically, mentally and spiritually--without even the need for us to plead for it. Now, perhaps all we need to do is be willing to be instruments of GOD in passing the gifts along to others and encouraging them to do likewise. Agreed?

In eclectic terms E=IR, or the potential is relative to the flow and product of resistance ... for the forces observed when the resistance is overcome ... a burst of odd madness ... laughter in church?

Now Dan Goleman wrote a series of novel thoughts on EI ... that's emotional intelligence ... but people are resistant to go there ... they like to do just as they feel ... thank you all that are deprived by my un-thought feelings! Taht's all there is tuit and creation had to find a point in space to put thoughtless ness. Just look around you in church that is built on emotions ... mostly mistranslated as anthropocentric ... or self centred passion ... and you can't even tell a person what thys elf is, was or will be ... as essence of myth!

You see E/I/R are like 1/X/Y ... they can be rearranged as Y=1/X the question of why is a singularity perched over a "chi" in Greek ... internal fire, or just ichthy desire for scratch creation as the plume drifts across the page ... like a Yeoman ... it just serves thepurpose as word of all-there-is ... intuit or Goad for Moor ... dark pool of the soul ... the Shadow contains all that is Toby known that we have laid aside ... denied as nonsense? Is God_Love real nonsense in the rapture of it all when we lose thought in physical activity? They say don't goth Eire ... it is a Nordic myth ... chilling like Egos ... multiple reflections ...

RevLGKing,

here's to the Global Human Spring that you are a great participant in.

"G_d is just what happens when Humanity is connected."

The Reign of God is from the beginning, made visible in countless ways every day.  In our faith story it includes a native of Ur who left home and family in response to a call to go somewhere else.

The return of Jesus has happened and continues to happen.  Early examples include the willingness of the apostles to listen to the complaint about neglect of the widows of the Gentiles in the community and the actions of Stephen.  His return continues to be evident in decisions to take risks for the sake of the reign of God, such as the one described by GeoFee on another thread.

I think the first resistance is simply the fear of dominance.  That is code for 'abusive dominance,' the heritage of all civilizations.  Power abuses, is self-interested, and makes us slaves.  God is the most powerful in all Creation.  And that power is associated with the restrictions and confusion Christian history and theology is famous for.

God is not reliable, and not obvious, and not under our control, so God is insecurity.  God answers prayers, but in His own way, which is usually 100 times more than we asked, but we may not see it or understand.  It's a cause-and-effect problem.  And often, since God is Love, God's power destroys lies in our lives with Truth.  That hurts, means loss, and further confusion. 

Just a couple problems, but I think good places to start.

Rev. King,

"All-there-is-tuit" in a nuit case ....

THE SANTA CLAUS MYTH. When we tell our children this myth, is it wrong to pretend to that we are telling them the truth?

Our family? We told our children and grandchildren the myth, as a myth, a story. Later, when they were old enough to understand, we had great fun discussing the purpose and value of mythology. We still talk about such things.

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/parenting/archive/2009/...

WHAT ABOUT MYTHICAL STORIES ABOUT, GOD, HEAVEN, HELL, AND THE LIKE, IN THE BIBLE?

The following looks interesting:

http://www.bibleandhistory.com/101myths-book.htm

In modern neuroscience it is said that you cannot tell aman truth ... he cannot absorb it unless such is in the form of story and thus love an intellect are found on opposing sides of the lyon ... po Scie cat in the sans ... that's without or beyond a mortal ... like myth in metaphor.

I am told it is evil to tell multiple entendres ... have thess people investigated the ancient myths with the aspect of many linguistics .. multiple tongues? Then the English spin drift based on how many priorities ... 57 fore running scrypts? Forgotten encryptions ... it is complex in the realm of par simian beast ... until the sole sense settles in ... that's IT! Eur IC*a ...

Let those with Ais ... oh eL they'll never slow to observe ... children of pyre ... burning desire with out  proper immersion ...

"We are peculiar people. I say this with reference to the fact that whereas almost all other peoples have called their theory of art or expression a “rhetoric” and have thought of art as a kind of knowledge, we have invented an “aesthetic” and think of art as a kind of feeling."

--  Ananda K. Coomaraswamy

Religion is an ancient art.

IW,

Where did you come across that one ... that is just fantastic ... like humans thinking love and thought are material things instead of Eros/Eris energetic disturbances to chaos theory in the extreme.

Consider the definition of Eros or ID as primal power! Would anything be processed without this power? It is the sense of aesthetic ... something with something missing (according to Lexicon, that's a dictionary) ... a crude form of rapture ... which you may experience in passing a passionate emotion that just takes your breath away.

It can scrooge up your thoughts like Jack ... a pure encounter with love ... thoughts excluded ... thus the primal void ...

God ... all-that-is  ... a funny, odd, or alien creation for living example of Moor to come? Puts an amends to ontological, or epistemological discussions ... sort of like deciphering transantidisestablismentarism ... takes a lot of weaving and shuttling through dis Lexis of mine ... inert bra-ein! Must be waked to the ends ...

How heavy a soul/mind/psyche ... open to de bate 'n ... amuses the Farsi Anne gods as they hoot in the Shadows ... that's Pan in some definitions. On Maas again; that thing called floe in some tongues like wadis off the mountain ... Urs, or Erse ... age of the water carrier ... hold it or the fires will rage ... an internalized story ... from a file called Maas've Psyche ...

Beyond us Change; Small Coin …

Struck as something to fill in between the big floats …

As between the Runes of Farsi in tongues …

Hebrew, and various other moving residues of archaic phonetix!

Then there is the Latin fixation set down hard by Tacticus …

So as to avoid a wondering and amorphous god(s) …

Such was instituted as Àmon or amen as an end to the means …

Medium of communication of common folk, sans of time?

Only city-Zens of Rome were allowed to speak of their needs …

All others just to serve the needs of ‘olé orders …

Of the slippery Caduceus as Ba’aLem of snake eis, ba’hum bug …

The nature of primal desire, clearly greed in lack of any rationale!

This we worship without thought, monotheism?

I’ll take the pars’and knock eM together, thanks …

To give some balance to toxic social orders without mind …

Only aggravated spirits of what’s been done t^θom …

That’s depth of darkness in the fallacy of …

Freedom of information!

Consider that the entire vocabulary is forbidden for repetition …

Common taephoquah …

That’s integral intercourse in which we’ve been high Jacked …

Or just simply scrooge ‘doubt of rite …

Of speech, press, or otherwise the right to the medium …

Of communicating clearly!

The priory’s of order do not allow for dissension …

From the objects of cor’belle …

Central issue of the devil is demos, or democracy …

Eris (flower of dissonance) is floated as cretin, sort of a white lie on which …

Law is writ as scratch on the backs of little peoples …

Little Women in particular as the soul is considered …

Ephraim, dead, that is trapped inside the medium …

Like subliminal message inside story!

Did you ever get the feeling your true self is only exposed …

When your on your way out of the bode an willis …

When all desires are clearly left behind as geist …

Ceist, or cussed in germane …

Witch’s necessary to the Cos of children of the lie …

In the medium of the story, archaic haggadist …

Is a ragged story with fringe …

Something to hang to, or grasp as you await the continuance …

That’s part of the locus tree …

Or commonly known as thorny Bo-esh …

Or chaotic end when all the mental baggage is lost …

And we start out all over again with a clear intuitive sense…

That we need to learn about change …

What institutional authority avoids!

Perhaps they can’t handle moving things like snakes and …

Late Ayres, dried versions …

Of rhetoric, and the whet ‘n of what becomes Toby …

Known as the dark and indeterminate mind as psychic phenomenon …

A thinking action inn Ur realm …

During empiric when such action as obviously illegal, immoral and un-ethical …

In which case you are labelled as fat head …

From the Hebrew term, דרינ, for NERD …

Growth of the soul, with minimal gain in Maas, or volume, show-stopper as moues, eM ich sort ‘v Muse, small!

THE FOLLOWING WAS POSTED @ ABOUT.COM BY A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN, Christalone. Here is the link:

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-atheism&tid=45449

On About.com, Mr.Austine Cline has an article with Hitler quotes, claiming that Hitler was not an example of atheism and secularism.

See http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/tp/AdolfHitlerChristian.htm 

His list of quotes indicating Hitler's use of Christianity needs further explanation.

First, I would hope that he is not naive about politicians who would use whatever popular belief they needed in order to advance their agenda, consolidate their power, and claim legitimacy. Whatever religion, whether animism or Islam or Christianity, the politician will use for his purposes, adopting what he needs and amending what might be contrary.

Second, Hitler's quotes evidence this very fact. In 1, Hitler advocates freedom of religion, but adds "insofar as [religion] do[es] not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race," thus subordinating the Christian faith to the Germanic race; this is not Christianity.

In 5, Hitler says, "In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality." What does that mean? It seems to say that love and religion must be subordinated to universal human development.

Of course, that would be Hitler's and the German race's view of such development, not God's. This is not Christian. As for quote 6, such a view of the devil is pathetically silly, as well as an evil excuse to attack other human beings; this is not Christian. Quotes 7 & 8 indicate a misuse, even a misunderstanding, of the crucifixion, making it about political sacrifice and persecution instead of redemption of the entire human race, Jew and Gentile (and German) included. This is not Christian.

Quote 9: Yes, as opposed to Marxism, committed to outright atheism, Fascism was and still is more malleable. Has anyone yet figured out a good definition of fascism? Again, it or its representatives will claim just about any position to gain power. This is not Christian. 10 & 11 represent further political opportunism. Is it not dishonest to use a religion, which your deeds and policies deny, to advance your own agenda, as Hitler did?

If Mr. Cline is trying to defend atheism in order to advance it, isn't he using Hitler in the same way Hitler used Christianity? Is atheism that malleable? But that's the problem with atheism - you can make it fit whatever you want because there is really no standard or truth to which it must adhere. It's a chameleon - now it has standards, now it doesn't, depending on the need and the target.

Thus, its adherents can attack anything, but they can defend nothing. It's a hollow shell, a hunting blind behind which atheist/critics can take pot shots at believers. How fun that must be. It only needs the hunted to turn and run through the blind to expose its lack of defense.

In my opinion, the reign of God has always been.  What is important is do I let Him reign in my life, and what do I let Him accomplish in and through me? 

Right on, Burford! Christianity is not about churchianity with its emphasis on doctrines and creeds concocted by powerful clergy and lay leaders. If I understand the parables of Jesus, they are about deeds, not creeds. See Matthew 25 about how important it is for us to serve one another.  Feel free to share with us the kind of actions you think are important.

An acquaintance of mine on the Huffington Post pointed me toward it.

Religion as art.  Rituals as art.  Art as another way of knowing; and not by revealing meaning or finding it but by CREATING it.  Thus the importance of religion, even through whatever ways "G_d" one is talking aboot doesn't "exist" by science's standard.  A placebo works even if we know it is a placebo.  Meaning and purpose are important -- Nietzsche was terribly afraid that humanity's ability to maintain and produce meaning and purpose were getting weaker, so he created art, ways of maintaining meaning and purpose...

And I always thought Nerds were pretty cool; now I know that this is in Hebrew as well :3  G_d is quite the nerd.

IW,

Consider the word aesthetic in all its definitions ... one means something missing or devoid (rapture) ... now is that loss of emotion to an emotional body, or loss of thought to a thinking body? If only one could get eM together in a form of paradigm ... a norm!

Then eM and paradigm are the same thing in different tongues sort of a immortal curve Ba'aL coming out of nothing and going nowhere like the functions of an infinite intellect ... the surroundings or environment according to Webster. Even Moses was told to walk barefoot through such a garden ... its fragile and easily disturbed ... by human activity unless meant in the proper expression for the time, place and Light (IC) for the cool situation with the pedantry in the dirt ... that's the foot of Hebrew learning sort of Isis in the Egyptian mythology! Isn't that a cool devil compared to heated g_d's ... Fury's? Can you picture heads floating ... in a limited pool ... one way to get em together in mortal satyr ... but the deire wee thing swould have to dig the word as if it were dirt in a brutes perspective ... Brutus, that's a Roman pelle'n eh?Can I be genteel ... Hebrew pelle'n of silent proportion coming straight up from the holes in the white parchment ... pap Eire in these days moving onto the semi conductive screen ... the computer doesn't care much about what it thinks without a real soul (thinking body) on the terminal, but CEO's like the cheaper form in which they do not have to deal with a thinking devil with access to a large vocabulary ... sort of a dark pool Maas*acre of desires ... 

Leaving a hole in space of desiree ...? Desire A Tae ... that's hoping I can find a word of love that has meaning attached in stead of a thoughtless intent ...

Did you know that Tae or Tao is an eastern word for word in a silent context ... th'aught? Then is a word of wisdom anything to a brute force? That silent context is Shintoism ... like something attached to the Hebrew foot (pud'ndah) creating the bones of a story in Christ's closet ... where we were told to go pray for awakening of the wee devil ... La Zar us ... conjugative harmonized Light in an alien vessal ... ship of phoeL's racine through the night GUI ... all stuck together in a bloody Maas ... that appears to be human in tent .. fabrication for learning an alternate way ...

But first one needs to know the words to the whole enigma or at least a start ... emotional instigation? 

Re: Philosophy of Religions--all religions ... [Re: Revlgking]

kallog Superstar Registered: Wed Mar 17 2010 Posts: 870

Originally Posted By Revlgking: Kallog, it seems to me that you want a god of whom you can make an image. Is this so? Kallog's resp:"I have no idea what you mean by "image". I don't want a picture I can draw. I want information that describes it, that can be built up into a cohesive "image",  but of course not a graphical one. Without that, you can't pretend it's even an idea. So yes I want to be able to make an image. Until now you still haven't added anything more to the idea than that GOD is nature." ===================== LGK: Rhetorically, I ask: Does air force us to breathe? Does power force us to use it? Do knowledge and wisdom force us Kallog's resp: "I still can't understand what you're trying to say. GOD guides us, right? Just as a role model might guide a child. It doesn't do anything, the baseball player doesn't even know the kid who's trying to be like him. But just thinking about it provides the guidance, right? Or is it not that?" LGK: IMSO--my sincere opinion--GOD is that which wants to be of service from within us and from beyond us. The more of us Kallog's resp: "wants"? You criticize me when I talk like that. Please be consistent. GOD cannot want anything because it's not a conscious being." LGK: out of which our mythical first-parents were cast by a mythical God. Kallog's resp: "Rev, these are things which really waste time and don't help illuminate the GOD idea. Worse they are aggrivating. I would appreciate it if you avoid using them when writing to me: - Bible quotes - What GOD isn't - Definitions or histories of words - Recommendations on what people should do (preaching) - History stories - Analogies. But given the nature of the topic, this might be unavoidable. However often there are English words that can be used instead. - Sarcasm/rhetorical questions - Judgments about what I'm thinking - Overloaded words whose meaning can't be determined. If you have a complex meaning, explain it with more or more specific words."

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Take a close look at what Kallog--who refuses to tell us who he really is and what his agenda is--takes as "aggrivating".

What is he really saying here? I hear him say is: There are many things I do not know and do not want to know. My mind is made up; so don't confuse me with some may find interesting and factual.

But, interestingly, for quite some time now he has kept on reading and responding. This thread gets thousands of hits every day. Feel free to post to it. If interested, send me a wonder-mail.

BTW, I try never to consciously use sarcasm, rhetorical questions, judgements and the like. I ask anyone, there and here, who feels that I do:

Let me know and I will gladly apologize and do a re-write.

The kingdom is within you.

Off topic but That quote reminded me: when I was a radio news caster on a Sunday morning

and the news wire broke down and I had literally no news to 'cast' and Sooooo

The news, one time, consisted entirely of

"God's in His heaven, all's right with the world"

...and I got just one response: a complaint that .I mentioned God.

(Between two religious programs...)

A 35 year old memory of a unique 'newscast'

As Bob Hope used to say 'thanks for the memory...

Back on topic and while I haven't read the thread and suspect others have provided the same answer... I humbly suggest:  'Yes', it's definitely possible - and never is the prediction.

The quantum thought for the day...

El  neatereno!

Anyone, familiar with the  following?

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The Prayer To Our Father
(in the original Aramaic)

Abwûn
"Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

d'bwaschmâja
who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

Nethkâdasch schmach
May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

Têtê malkuthach.
Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
just as on earth (that is material and dense).

Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna
daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.
detach the fetters of faults that bind us, (karma)
like we let go the guilt of others.

Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

ela patzân min bischa.
but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.

Amên.
Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
(I confirm with my entire being)

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AND THIS

Lords Prayer, from the original Aramaic 
Translation by Neil Douglas-Klotz in Prayers of the Cosmos

O Birther! Father- Mother of the Cosmos

Focus your light within us - make it useful.

Create your reign of unity now-

through our fiery hearts and willing hands

Help us love beyond our ideals

and sprout acts of compassion for all creatures.

Animate the earth within us: we then

feel the Wisdom underneath supporting all.

Untangle the knots within

so that we can mend our hearts' simple ties to each other.

Don't let surface things delude us,

But free us from what holds us back from our true purpose.

Out of you, the astonishing fire,

Returning light and sound to the cosmos.

      Amen.

Then there is gamaliel ... a gift from god that has to have a spacey concept to it that is profound ... like Jesous found in his closet ... deep within the poe'L or without or is it just resonant reciprocation of the two sides of the wave, a peak above and a peak below to see what makes things tick?

Then Dawkins spent a lot of time trying to find the meme ... synonym in condensed form of a lost meme ... or I in alchemy with all-that-is ... God for short form as hommoe ... condensed spirits? Then who knows that alchemy is simply relative ... like many biblical characters got to know ... and this one knew so and so ...

Did you know that meme is same and space in old Gael tongues ... suggesting that the spacy mind is common to all? No secrets! Wouldn't that aggitate a corrupting authority! Could this be ... sort of an absolute ... if one had an open heart and mind instead of a hard place to store Piscine th'aughts! Would such a thing stink like an old fisherman ... St. Petre ... anoles alt? Then what's anole in space ...

Probably the most ancient art.

(And we are continuing this most ancient tradition, eh? :-)

What is a 'totality of   being' ?

Everything? Everything that exists?

What then is existence?

All of the existent infinite worlds?

How long has THAT 'been a given' ?

And how does that pertain to being in tune with the zeitgeist?

(I have a vision of manyworlds in  huge bowl and a old guy with a beard has the bowl in his arms....turn to me and says: "You know, I'm A BIG fan of Chanson..."  )

Hey, sometimes I narrow it down to---one! Me! (THAT doesn;t last long )

Every species that dies out, the last words are " I thought we were the exception to that rule!"

Oh yeah? My Rhubarb can beat up your tomatoes any  day!

(My garden is feisty)

Is that a feisty garden or just sour ...

Well, HG, I don't know what the current Zeitgeist is. The  Q (Quantum) Hologram? The Q Continuum?

The totality of being, to me, is the Whole and All. And I think that the Whole and All has always been around, even as a nothing, before IT quantified ITself as the Q Continuum of infinite worlds, or whatever. I feel like Shakespeare who dedicated his Sonnets to "Mr. W. H. All, the only begetter of these ensuing sonnets." I also feel like the Silesian mystic, Angelus Silesius:

What am I?

A something or a nothing?

A circle or a dot?

I really don't know what I am,

And what I know, I'm not.

-Angelus Silesius

What's in a word ... heh asked? Everything according to Shakespeare .. that's all there is to nothing and everything ... love and the surroundings ... isn't that a hood-like covenant for truth? Then yah hoo dah is an ole Hebrew word for ... God ... all-that-is! But the isolated parts (hommoe'M) didn't wish to know ... sos they were passed through ruagh winds ... Þêðrè ... smells pheshy to meis! Brae in fue de ...

Only a few believe in the bifurcated or divine sol' ... that allows balance ... by releasing semi ferrous stuff with intellect .. dangerous to a Roman one's-ider! Of course it depends on thy's crypt and whether you can read into the unconscious soul that passed leaving only black and white with no grey manna ... pomme per nick elle for the pore! It ain't pure but there's sure a lot tuit.