LOL!

stephenb2012 ...... I find the spirit and tone of this thread and the way you have expressed yourself on other threads as mean spirited and downright disgusting.

I surely hope you are not indicitive of what being a "Christian" is supposed to be.

I have deep beliefs that are often quite different than many here and I do not feel it is proper to present mine in the boorish way that you insist on doing.

This is a discussion site .... not a teaching site.    ALL VIEWS are welcome here and it is time you got off your high horse and put away that superior self righteous attitude.

Here are some stats for you:

The gospels contain 83862 words
The New Testament contains 181253 words
You have read 46.27% of the New Testament
The bible contains 773692 words
You have read 10.84% of the bible

And I would say that you have understood much less.

And please don't give me that "I have read much more" .... your posts give you away...

As a devout bible believing Christian with quite a conservative viewpoint I would much rather sit and learn from the Reverend (yes I use and acknowledge the title) that i disagree with most  than sit with the likes of you.

I would suggest that its time for you to put away that attitude of yours, grow up and start conversing like and adult and quit picking on my friends.

Rita

So which particular version of Christianity does the Christian minister have the responsibility of sharing?

Yours?

The person who taught you?

IF the mionister has a different interpretation of scripture than you, or your teacher's, is he bound by God to change it to what you say?

If that minister gets his interpretation by way of the teachings of the Holy Spirit, and it's different from your's, should he follow what the Holy Spirit tells him? Or should he go back and correct the Holy Spirit based on what you teach?

i told you many times i have read much and i 'focus' on the four. is that decieving of you to pretend i havent told you that .....or wondercafe..many many times.
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do you know where the word 'protestant' came from....were they not 'christians' in your books?
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do you know of the corruption in the world and the Church?
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do you know that people are 'automatically' and 'eternally' righteous?
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how 'revs' been convicted of many crimes?
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is taking Christ out of Christianity bad too?

i think these are question that should concern many, and should concern those who are sharing in Christs ministry.
geee, wouldnt it be nice if it was a perfect world.

are you serious?,.. dude.... the interpretation game is boring by now. it would seem as though you are of the opinion that Jesus words were not for all time.
--no not my opinon, no not my words..... its Christs ministry. and i would expect that people would be familiar with it and his words/teachings..... and i guesss...to strive for belief...

i know, im such a radical.

And yet you're not in the ministry. Why?

Because you're a new Christian without a lot of experience, and you're a teenager who thinks he knows more about it than anyone else.

This thread is only proving just that.

stephenb2012 ..... thank you for illustrating my point.....

The lights are on but nobody is home.....

There is no real dialogue with you ..... all I hear is a sounding gong or perhaps a clanging symbol ...... see if you can find that in the bible....

If you really feel you are doing the "cause of Christ" a service .... then in my opinion you are quite deluded.   

Answer this if you dare ..... what gives you the authority to browbeat others as you have?

(I really don't expect a worthwhile answer)

Rita

"That's so last year"

Like most teenagers faced with questions that their level of expertise doesn't quite cover yet, you evade rather than engage.

rita, you still keep on me about M,M,L,J and i keep correcting you..... you want dialogue? seriously... the 'revs' are big boys, let them anwser for themselves.
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was Paul a 'new Christian'??
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its pretty simple.
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whos ministry is it? whos teachings are 'Christian' teachings
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not mine.... not people personal doubts im sure....
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i am interested in hearing the 'interpretation' of ALL those passages by the 'revs', and i am wondering if they could answer.
where you already familiar with them? are they interesting teachings?
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please re-read thread topic.
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what does this mean?
To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear [is] uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.

YOU are NOT Paul, young man

However he technically is right.  Paul was a new follower of the Way (the term Christian did not yet exist).  Of course so were all the others.  What we don't see in Acts or in Paul's letters is how he, as an outsider, gained the authority that he claimed.  WE do see that it wasn't handed over easily or without some disagreement.

yeah, but what do you think of the passages in the topic thread? where you aware of them.
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what does this mean to you.?
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17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but forthem also which shall believe on me through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

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are you part of this ministry? doesnt it look important?
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btw to those who arnt aware.
are not to 'beware' and we not to 'test'
see (1 john 4)
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where does the word protestant come from?

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Gord, please explain all the passages in the thread topic and wether if you consider they apply to you or not. and can you answer this question.
where you already aware of them, and strive to live them?

im not Paul.
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Gord, im sure we can consider 'followers of Christ' at that time 'Christians'.....

oh oh, I know , I know I knwo where to find that sounding gong

rita blackbelt, seriously. maybe you guys should read it.. and then reread when Jesus said "as i loved you'
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do you think it was "do what ever you want, teach whatever you want, here have a cupcake for the road'?
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look at Pauls works in its entirety.,.,. was he all 'cupcake'?

I was hoping you would teach us , I Know Rita really wants to

i wonder we are taught to 'beware' and to 'test' and do we know how the word protestant came from.
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accorinding to some, we should blanket these 'revs' with automatical righteousness and never question them.
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im sure many would consider what Paul would say about them.. not just one verse who you twist his words to regarding them 'speaking up'

Only in hindsight.  The term post-dates Paul's conversion.

And no, I am not going to comment on the opening post. 

I dont knwo about you but I love to test the spirits

Paul tried to preach after his conversion, but was almost killed as a result. He was not trusted by the other disciples. The apostles did not accept him. They sent him home to Tarsus. After they did that, the church enjoyed a time of peace and the church grew.  It was several years after his conversion before Paul finally was called by Barnabas to begin his ministry to the Gentiles.

   Join me rita

Stephenb,

I note your ability to copy-and-paste scrirture verses ad infinitum.  I see you can fire off questions to people like so many snowballs.  I read how you pooh-pooh almost all the answers you've gotten.

I don't recall, though, that anyone else has pooh-poohed YOUR answers... and it dawns on me that's because you haven't answered very many questions; rather, you deflect them with more of your own questions. 

Here on this thread, I think a few fair questions have been asked of you.  Rita asked you something.  Witch has asked you something, both here and on other threads you have begotten.

How 'bout, instead of ignoring those questions and trying to shout them down, you pause, give serious consideration to what you've been asked, and let us know the answers.  Dollars to doughnuts we'd all appreciate it.

blackbelt

Ebenezer Scrooge....

IT

Russ

I should send you my recipe for homemade Irish Cream. I got it from my grandfather and it's pretty much a tradition in our family.

well then, I will just have to test it

Hi blackbelt- whats with all the liquor Brother? Our Lord drank wine.airclean33

This is an easy one.  Since I believe that your interpretation of the Bible is wrong, I would hope that the reverends/ministers/etc. teach something very, very different from what you believe.  Moreover, I would hope that they would teach that the Bible is open to interpretation and that each person must come to his or her own understanding. 

I don't think you want to follow the same spirits , Witch does.He once knew our Lord . But has his own God now.

airclean33

First time ever.

That is a crude, low blow!

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Russ

as bob dylan would say

times are a changing

I love and follow the Creator and Lord of the Universe. If you really want to follow someone else, well you have free will.

1 bottle of good Irish Whiskey (I use Tullamore Dew myself)

1 liter of heavy cream

2 cans of Eagle brand sweetened condensed milk (yes it does have to be Eagle)

1/4 cup of the strongest coffee you can make (not instant) cold.

1/4 cup of homemade chocolate syrup (using dutch process cocoa)

cinnamon

nutmeg

combine gently but don't beat bottle and chill for at least a week. Give the bottles a swirl before you serve. Use caution, it goes down way too smooth.

Witch

Will this stand on the shelf or do I have to refrigerate it?

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Russ

Acts 9:30-31 records that Paul was sent to Tarsus, after which the church grew. Acts 11:25 records that Barnabas went to Tarsus to bring him back to minister in Antioch. Its not clear how much time elapsed from this text.

it wont stand on my shelf 

blackbelt

That is what I am afraid of.

IT

Russ

He describes in Galatians how three years after his conversion he went to Jerusalem. There he met James and stayed with Simon Peter for 15 days.[Gal. 1:13–24]

Paul's narrative in Galatians states that 14 years after his conversion he went again to Jerusalem.[Gal. 2:1–10] It is not completely known what happened during these so-called "unknown years," but both Acts and Galatians provide some partial details.At the end of this time, Barnabas went to find Paul and brought him back to Antioch. [Acts 11:26]

This gap of several years is not obvious in Acts, but Paul's own dating of his life in Galatians means there was a gap between his call and the beginning of his ministry.

 That's true if one chooses to interpret the fourteen year gap referred to in Galatians 2:1 as the period between Acts 9 and Acts 11. Agreed that it would be difficult to fit a fourteen year gap anywhere else in the Acts narrative.

Remember that Acts was written many, many years after the event, and not by the main character.  Wherever there is a discrepancy I would be inclined to trust Paul's authentic letters, written by himself in the time and midst of his ministry.  His letters show a different time line, and also show conflicts with the Christians in Jerusalem (Jesus' brother James, the disciples, and their converts) that are glossed over in Acts.

in relation to our thread Paul taught of Christ. im sure if you look at his teachings he didnt take away from Christs divinity. if you dont believe what Jesus says, the prophets, Paul, the prophecies , the mriacles,  the other works , and strive to dismiss them all, what do you have left?....  i think some in the world try to conform God into their own man made belief system. i think that is something to be weary of.

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btw what questions of Ritas and whomever do you want me to answer. I do have love, and i do put these things on the table from the aspect of love and truth.

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btw rita, for that Paul verse you quoted, and disregarding of his others works regarding the issue, you get the cherry picker of the week award.

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dont take a big offense though, its all good.

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Rita i do share  your belief in Christ. what else can i say. except you dont know i do love the ppl at wondercafe, sometimes its good to be exposed to information even if it goes against missinformation in our lives, or if its seems like hard teachings.

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what else can i say,..... those quotes? they are from the Christian bible.

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Stephenb - you said:    "sometimes its good to be exposed to information even if it goes against missinformation in our lives, or if its seems like hard teachings."

Its good to see you admitting to the missinformation in your life and recognizing how good it is that you are able to be exposed to information.   I hope that you are benefiting from the exposure of so many learned 'revs and others' on the WonderCafe.

regardless of Paul or Peter and these details, whats the point, it is still Christs ministry, are we not to strive for the truth of it?
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Peter, Paul , or the rock?
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am i a gentile first?
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13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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do you think Peters acknologment as Jesus as the Christ had anything to do with this passage? or everything to do with it?
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but i guess asking people to interpret the passages in the thread topic is asking to much.... i wonder if some even read them

seeler, i dont think i need to learn about all the doubt in the world from wondercafe.

its seems you are mixing the concept of missinformation and the truth in the scriptures.

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seriously.... gimme a break.

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do you really think that Jesus message was to teach that he wasnt actually Christ and the path is wide? and to put doubt in peoples mind about him, his ministry , his word, and the scriptures

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i cant believe some people actually seemingly dont see truth of the issue.

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did you even read the thread topic and the passages in them.

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wondercafe has just gotten even more bizarre.

the cherry pick and squash of the year award goes to WONDERCAFE..!!!

Stephenb - did you actually think I took your admission to be genuine?    No, you are the only one who knows and understands the truth.  It is everybody else, even those who have devoted a lifetime to study, who are misinformed.   

Still waiting to see some answers.....