I was taught it was the white man that started "scalping" not the Indians. I think the Indians did it in retaliation for the harm done to their people. This practice was common in Europe and Asia and introduced to the Indians. This is how I understand it.

In fact I remember being shocked in grade 7 when our teacher taught us this. I had always watched movies where the "red man" was the savage.

Yes, I know about the history of scalping. Does not matter what the name of a geographic area was - matters that newcomers engaged in the process, and that to this day, there is evidence.  The history that you were taught, and that I was taught is too slowly and reluctantly being changed... but at least poor, colonialist revisionist histrory is being challenged and corrected.  It will still take some time, but a much better,realistic historical presentation as those who have been oppressed and misprepresented voice their histories and are heard, loud and clear.

And yes, everyone should know about this.  No question about it.  Understanding history and understanding revolting, atrocious conduct is the only way humans can evolve and understand that repugnant, horrific behaviour is not acceptable.

I proposed a thread: Who are the oppressed and who are the oppressors? a while back, dealing with FN issues, and was slammed from many angles - I suspect that discomfort, or unease, or guilt, or a combination therein caused attack and a denial of what truly has happened because of colonisation... and there is also a very real, political situation:Over a hundred years later, CDN aboriginal people are still waiting for treaties to be honoured, lack equal access to education and healthcare, and this a really awful fact, if served in CDN military, had to give up FN status in order to receive benefits for military service.

No. Scalping should not be taught in schools.

We were taught about that in school here in Ontario. Were you not?

I don't remember anything in our school curriculum about the Europeans scalping Mik'maq for bounty.  We learned that two different tribes (nations) lived in this province - one near the coast, and the other inland.  Generally I understood that they were peaceful hunter-gathers and fishers - that they aided the early settlers and engaged in trading - that gradually as more Europeans settled the land, the native people moved onto reserves.  Most of our history seemed to be about settlement and conflict between French and English settlers with the natives seldom mentioned. 

I don't know if there was ever a bounty on scalps of the Maliseet of the Saint John valley, but then it was pretty hard to identify one scalp from another.  From the article I read, the practice was stopped when it became evident that European scalps were among those being turned in for bounty.    I guess it must be hard to tell one moose hunter or traper from another.

I suspect it might be age related Seeler- The view of "history" has changed over time. We heard nothing about rsidential Indian Schools-not quite right-we learned they were built and run to educate the Indians.

Current surriculum is much different.

Jae, I have to admit, you made me laugh with that one.

To be fair, I am sure that most read Seeler's question as should the "history of" scalping be taught in schools

As a bald faced questioner of all tales, scalping appears irrelevant and irreverant towards life ... as a hairy dimension to enter into! Sometimes I'd sooner be out of here ... alas here I'm stuck regardless of attitudes of those that desire to desire as they will .. and thus desire proceded and preceded all following thoughts ... hermeneutics? Many haven't got there yet ...

Then as mortals taught scriptures about the veil of knowledge and wisdom ... how much really do we know? It appears by various responses to topics like this ... not much in the realm of the blanket case!

Consider the teaching of sex is bad to common people (anti-husbandry in the raising of anima). So the more powerful could give the lesser a real scro'n over. Consider what the missionaries did to the Polynesian natives ... do modern men of the cloth fall into this mode that's devoid of thought for the other? This would dismiss that part of the Golden Rule about doing to the other ... right ... so do it anyway before they do it to you! Sort of like jumping the gun in Iraq ... bushy cojecture from the fogs of deep cover?

Seems like an approximate moral attitude that few would have second thoughts about ... you know like being Beta than that ... the search for excellence goes on ... ain't much excellence in the mortal arena considering the Roman attitude to enlightened people about the negative sides to making war ... ain't that a b'thchii to the Romantic issue of free love without consequences? Why love gave us wee daemons that go screech in the night ... doncha L'uv IT? 

Some authorities love to hear wee people scream ... giving us the myth of Moloch that may be quite different than the bull is produced ... as two haunches ... about a Beta Beef! In the UK this attitude works with sheep as in McPhersons's Rant ... MacDonald ... "get away from my sheep" ... it's a grass roots metaphor ... few know this! they just believe that you should cover your donkey ... or someone will have it on a trophie belt ... as a pos trophie; something that no longer is ... some people don't even believe in time, light and spaces passed ... they blew the chance at such intelligence and wisdom of aulde, or otherwise augured out ... Ogur? That could cause a Shrek when fallen into ... by advocacy of nonsense ... the religion of innocence ... or you're hon Eire I didn't know!

Doesn't work when dealing with sub stances ... vast understanding of subtleties of linguistics?

The only place I encountered scalpers in Canada was outside the arena, just before an important hockey game.

That can be a hairy game too ...

I believe it is very important to teach about the brutality used by Europeans against each other and against people like the First Nations.  The bounty on Beothuks in Newfoundland was not ended until there were almost no Beothuks left in the mid 1800s.  This includes the violence exercised by the Americans after the revolution against a variety of first nations, and the deliberate policies of starvation used by the McDonald government against first nations after they signed treaties.

The United Church Observer has an interesting article:

http://www.ucobserver.org/features/2014/03/canadian_genocide/

That's what I was expecting!

I don't remember learning about scalping in school, although we did learn a fair bit about First Nations in multiple grades.  It was very regional though, and I really have no idea how common it was locally.

Is scalping like plagerizing .. when if there's nothing else new under the sun then we keep ploughing up the same old forgotten things?

Perhaps why creation's mind (unknown) keeps extrating portions to allow the thing to continue the search for excellence as if it isn't out to lunch, or having siesta? That's all there is ... bring on the clowns ... let's dance over the whet spots ... be light with levity now ...

Thanks Pinga.

Yes, I agree :)

I read it both ways.

I'm all for the history being taught. It really surprises me that it isn't already.

Lets see.  I learned about the two different tribes that inhabited this province.  I also learned about the Algonquins, Hurons, Iriquois, and the tribes further west and north.  I learned about the Beothuk Newfoundland and how they were exterminated by the Mik'maq and the Europeans.  I learned of fighting between the Iriquois and the Algonquins and that the Hurons were wiped out.  I learned that Native people were given blankets infected with smallpox, in a deliberate attempt to have this deadly disease spread among them.  I learned of the starvation of many native peoples when the buffalo were all but exterminated.  I learned something about reserves.  

But I never heard that native people in my own province were killed and scalped. 

As for residential schools - back when I was a child, schools for native children were still considered a positive thing.   I don't think there were many residential schools in this province, although I believe that some native children from this province might have been sent to a residential school in Nova Scotia, especially after they had completed elementary school on their reserves.

Humour and joking about sclaping , in relation to the actual topic presented, is extremley disrespectful, and at best ,is a way to use a low brow, perverse humour to deflect a very serious and real part of Canadian history - very shameful.  Aboriginal/FN scalps were sought ought, bounties were offered and collected.  It its an abhorent aspect of colonial Canadian history that has yet to be taught and discussed truthufully, unless a student ends up in post-secondary education curriculum, and studies within certain programmes.  A very classic example of revisionist history is being taught, so that when truthful evidence is provided, the response is (honestly and ignorantly provided), "I had no idea..."

Many can claim the argument, I had no idea, because it was not deemed relevant, important, or required educational material.  Well now it is.  History of exploitation oppression matters.  Unresolved treaties matter, lack of adequate healthcare, educate and  issues around creating reservation systems that created an apartheid system (yes, which South African delagtes visiting Canada based their own version of aprtheid upon), matters.

All of this history must be taught; throughout grade school, throughout middle school, throughout high school, so that there is an honest and truthful understanding of our history, and so that current and future  generations may understand how to move forward, together, and finalise treaties and work together - because right now, working together not working so well.

"Yes, I agree :) ... I read it both ways."

Low brow effect ... as in subtle humour about the human authoritarian tendancy to put down truth as it could reflect on erroneous acts of authority? Thus any solid evidence of anything is buried in inner space ... a convoluted thought in dimensions impossible? That'd be the myth or metaphor of mined ... some digging required! Leads to arche logos/logus/logi ... the logic to avoid?

The only way around this restriction of truth is the evolution of myth and satyrs ... devilish things that bring us enlightenment on the odd term "SELF" that few look into as it is generally found out there as a convicted and shunned soul ... the life as a convict is not an easy one when you're out there you conceive of processes to shoot holes in the human system of infallable authority ... Heiseinberg Perspective ... a mire conjecture among authorities of a fixed god ... neutral to hue mons activities?

Isn't that just a Boehm daemon ... or perhaps just  Ba'Lem's ass as you see it going after that last KISS ... a real bummer to miss IT! UFO? It is a poorly understood process ... whiz-dumb!

I've been told many times that any form of cynicism of authority is evil/aveil'd opportunity to deflect truth) as authorities cannot conceive of going wrong ... and they must be right about everything ... but if you give them a string they can hang themself ... like powers in space ... once known as judi'anns ... powerful refelctions in that mysterious reflecting thing that's dark ... sometimes it is best to cling to nothing like a sailor hanging onto an empty lamþ ... for enlightenment of the myth? Puts a new twist on atheism and deitism, where in the deit of being chewed over authorities are belittled ... when the "Tae" is silent ... the whole comprehension alters! So don't Luce you untamed Tae-ism sometimes known as dohw-ism or believe inthe alternate vessel ... like the Grecean Urn ... omega'did you see that one go by upturned .. one must get ther right flip on W and M ... in one form only the cheeks show!

Once a myth was generated on this by a friend of enlightenment ... possibly a monk buddy that Romantics hung as a dangerous thinker in the dimension of emotional gods ... it'll pas ... or be san ... like in an our class ... a wasted  explicit thing on those that reject Semite, icon and other signs of drifting thoughts in shifting whispering sans!thought ...

You can get hold of that tiny waist ... NOSH-ite ... that's Ur or perhaps even Erse in a multidimensional space from testing weird understandings or other apocalypse that pops up like satyrs ... daemons of insight?

God help us all with the state we're in we need to plunge into something (myth of baptism?) get grasp of things not thought of before? Nothing hauté you know ... a harmonic soul would do ... them things that cast Shadows ... if they come together in tent Wahls ... somethings going on ... we have a weal of an issue between here and there ... sometimes called fear of the unknown, sometimes as anger and thus God was driven underground as a fallen ideal ... the story of Caesar, Pharoah, far side responses ... and other incomplete humours as abstractions about perfection in cleanliness ... so there's no dirt to learn from ... leaves an Eire mind devoid ...

Since truth is so dispicable ... always relay it as myth ... the unknown and unseen intellect ... it is sort of out of here ... bu that's incomplete too ... like an abstract on those absolute ...

In such cases no differentiation from right or wrong is possible ... a great Circe to escape from for a bit ... like a bubble bursting upon you as a caption in a Kar Tune! Leaves a light sensation ... Levi a' thong ... Calvin or Hobbs? So many cross connections ...

Seeler,
Surely you were taught of Lieutenant-Governor Charles Lawrence and the Acadians?
He was not reprimanded for his actions. He was instead promoted to Governor of Nova Scotia for them.
The deportation of the Acadians made the natives more vulnerable. His order in 1756 to the military and civilians was to "annoy, distress, take and destroy the Indians inhabiting different parts of this Province".
The reward was thirty pounds for male prisoners over 16 brought in alive- or for the scalp of such 25 pounds- and 25 pounds for women and children brought in alive.

Same thing happened to the Celt and Pic ... English authority, murdered, exiled and starved anybody going against their version of dem' crazy ... this is the English word of God passed through from a low land Scot ... King James?

How could a person learn such things? Some alien dirt prescribed ... as precognizant dierective ... to get you out there ... from beyond you find humis, or humour depending on perspective ... you just might have come from a blind tree no hollows to store nutty thoughts ... and in Rome thinkers are insane ... order of the Red Quine ... she be wahr'd/whore herself over the conflict ... metal dissatiaction over bean displaced by emotions? ID'll pas ... theory of Pisces and fission ... allows for breakaways ... outlanders? These be beyond the medium of polity ... something else again ... often myth'd ... or as the celt say Mists ... like Skye when hazed by emotions ...

What is the arche type of script? Could it be presient thought? That would interfere with emotions right ... thus separating past, present and consequences ... land of the prophet who pyre IT-I'Z'd the past and processed it presently ... a mental weal?

Like ah ole in the fabric as weaving and wolved in the loam ... looming ... a fertilization process? NOSH-ite ... an Aryrið land ... or cloes to Eris? Her to get what you've bloe'n ...

SG - Yes, I was taught about the expulsion of the Acadians.  As a small child I lived in the Annapolis Valley during WWII.  I can remember visiting the church in GrandePre where the men and boys were held awaiting deportation (women and small children weren't considered a flight risk).  So, by the time I started school (back in NB) and encountered it in Social Studies (history) in Grade 4 or 5, the story was already familiar to me.  As I remember, it was both justified and something to be ashamed of.  Most teachers, and the books they used, in my memory treated it as something poorly thought out and managed - but that Longfellow's poem about Evangeline was both fictional and romanticized.    Yes, the expulsion of the Acadians was taught in NB and NS schools - a black mark on our history.   

To the best of my memory, the  Mik'maq were never mentioned in relation to this incident.

ps - It might be interesting to share that Seelerman is Acadian.  His family history includes the story of how three brothers escaped from the Annapolis area by crawling under a fence and heading for the north-shore area of NB.  All Acadians today who share that surname are descendants from those three brothers.  The name can also be found in Lousianna,USA - some brothers didn't escape.  

The same geneology hints that they had a Mik'maq grandmother. 

As soon as Roman Christianity became the state religion of the ancient Roman Empire, the persecuted became persecutors. In the year 300, being a Christian could get you killed. In the year 400, not being a Christian could get you killed. And enforced conversion to Christianity continued from then on.

Charlemagne, who was crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope on Christmas Day of the year 800, was given licence to convert all of Europe to Roman Christianity. He did so by soft and hard persuasion, and by  sheer brutality.

When the various European powers colonised the world, they employed similar methods. Conquest and enforced conversion to Christianity went hand in hand. The history of Christian conversion is steeped in blood.

Makes one think, eh?

Thinking ... like acacia ... could get one in a thorny situation when up against brutis ... freedom is just not weel received word in nature without reverence ... Longfellow? That thin crippled man ... devoid of something or other ...

A'cajun to do the work for eM?