What do you think Christians should know about the Torah that Christians don't know? What would you like to know that you don't know?
crazyheart
Posted on: 01/04/2014 12:28
It seems to be, Kimmio, that I read somewhere that Rabbis study the Torah all their life so there must be much that we can learn from it.
Fred Duckett
Posted on: 01/04/2014 13:43
In creation there is interaction, spiritual to spiritual, spiritual to physical and physical to physical
The Bible tells how these interactions take place. The torah sets up the laws for these interactions
And spells out the rewards for obedience and the punishment for disobedience.
As in NIV LEVITICUS 26
God sets out things for people to do.
Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for
yourselves, and do not place a carved stones in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God. Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the LORD.
Obedience is a promise of a good life. Disobedience well you can read for yourself.
Yes I believe the torah should be taught.
To me Jesus came only to change the way of atonement, from animal sacrifice and the chief priest
Asking for forgiveness primly for the Hebrew people. To Him going to the cross for the atonement of all people. The laws pertaining to animal sacrifice and maybe a few others became redundant. But all the rest remained .
waterfall
Posted on: 01/04/2014 13:52
I think the laws are foundational but to me the Torah is also organic in nature. The first five books of the Torah are essentially similar to our old Testament, but the difference I see is the application of the wisdom it holds. Something I think we would do well to remember. Literalism feeds our egos but looking beyond the essential message feeds our souls and promotes growth in understanding.
waterfall
Posted on: 01/04/2014 13:55
crazyheart wrote:
It seems to be, Kimmio, that I read somewhere that Rabbis study the Torah all their life so there must be much that we can learn from it.
I've read that too. Some say it takes around 40 years to even come close to understanding it. Coincidently the same number of years that Moses wandered in the desert. Still he didn't get to "arrive" at his destination on earth.
Kimmio
Posted on: 01/05/2014 05:57
Is the 40 year study symbolic of wandering? Or the 40 years wandering symbolic of the process of studying? Both? Or is 40 about the time we get a little wiser from living and learning? ;)
GeoFee
Posted on: 01/05/2014 14:29
A rabbi asked a learner: "Do you know the Torah?" The learner answered: "Only a little." To which the rabbi responded: "A little is all we ever know of Torah."
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/05/2014 18:33
Sort of like a know it all that knows heis finished when he discovers heh doesn't know much of all that's out there in hidden scientific observation as redundantly unconscious to the columns of up and comers ... who are beyond the subtle truth of itoll ...
But when you become aware of being innocent of wisdom ... can one have fun with that ... like mess'n about in the greater mind as a pas'n emotion?
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Kimmio
Posted on: 01/04/2014 08:57
What do you think Christians should know about the Torah that Christians don't know? What would you like to know that you don't know?
crazyheart
Posted on: 01/04/2014 12:28
It seems to be, Kimmio, that I read somewhere that Rabbis study the Torah all their life so there must be much that we can learn from it.
Fred Duckett
Posted on: 01/04/2014 13:43
In creation there is interaction, spiritual to spiritual, spiritual to physical and physical to physical
The Bible tells how these interactions take place. The torah sets up the laws for these interactions
And spells out the rewards for obedience and the punishment for disobedience.
As in NIV LEVITICUS 26
God sets out things for people to do.
Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for
yourselves, and do not place a carved stones in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God. Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the LORD.
Obedience is a promise of a good life. Disobedience well you can read for yourself.
Yes I believe the torah should be taught.
To me Jesus came only to change the way of atonement, from animal sacrifice and the chief priest
Asking for forgiveness primly for the Hebrew people. To Him going to the cross for the atonement of all people. The laws pertaining to animal sacrifice and maybe a few others became redundant. But all the rest remained .
waterfall
Posted on: 01/04/2014 13:52
I think the laws are foundational but to me the Torah is also organic in nature. The first five books of the Torah are essentially similar to our old Testament, but the difference I see is the application of the wisdom it holds. Something I think we would do well to remember. Literalism feeds our egos but looking beyond the essential message feeds our souls and promotes growth in understanding.
waterfall
Posted on: 01/04/2014 13:55
It seems to be, Kimmio, that I read somewhere that Rabbis study the Torah all their life so there must be much that we can learn from it.
I've read that too. Some say it takes around 40 years to even come close to understanding it. Coincidently the same number of years that Moses wandered in the desert. Still he didn't get to "arrive" at his destination on earth.
Kimmio
Posted on: 01/05/2014 05:57
Is the 40 year study symbolic of wandering? Or the 40 years wandering symbolic of the process of studying? Both? Or is 40 about the time we get a little wiser from living and learning? ;)
GeoFee
Posted on: 01/05/2014 14:29
A rabbi asked a learner: "Do you know the Torah?" The learner answered: "Only a little." To which the rabbi responded: "A little is all we ever know of Torah."
WaterBuoy
Posted on: 01/05/2014 18:33
Sort of like a know it all that knows heis finished when he discovers heh doesn't know much of all that's out there in hidden scientific observation as redundantly unconscious to the columns of up and comers ... who are beyond the subtle truth of itoll ...
But when you become aware of being innocent of wisdom ... can one have fun with that ... like mess'n about in the greater mind as a pas'n emotion?