((((((((((((((((((((((((Omni)))))))))))))))))))

A big hug for you!

Thank you so much for sharing your story of how you became Muslim. I was really curious. Are things going better now for you with your dad ? Wow....you have courage. Strange you should say that you believe  Allah guided you to it. I was thinking the very same thing. I didn't know Muslims believe in reincarnation. Sometimes when we are drawn in the direction of certain things I believe there may be a connection to it from a past life.

 May Allah bless you, keep you safe, and love you always.

Awesome, thank you.

I am glad the emo thing is not isolated.  I think we have finally finished with the black eye makeup, cutting, etc.  Now we seem to be a rebel without a cause.

We have decided we are going to try smoking, who knows?  Maybe we are bi? 

I am glad there is hope.  She doesn't seem to want to participate in the UCC, who knows, maybe I shall mention it.  Nothing lost. 

Many thanks.

IT

Russ

This is an incredible story - thank you so much for sharing!

Thank You Omni for sharing. While I have done some reading and research on world religions I have never considered Islam as a path for me for spiritual fullfillment. I am happy for you that you have found it a useful part of your spiritual journey. The story of your conversion helps one to have a better understanding of the muslim religion. If people were more knowledgable about other religions and truly tried to understand them I think there would be a lot more tolerance and a lot less hate in the world.

There are many different paths to finding God, or Allah, or the Spirit or whatever one chooses to call IT. No one path will work for every one. There is a lot of simularity in the basic beliefs of all the major world religions but it mostly consist of loving one another and doing onto others as we would have them do onto us.

Thanks again Omni

Omni, thank you so much for sharing your story with all of us.It is an inspiration to all young people who are searching. I am glad you have found your path and the journey continues.

Wow, what an INTENSE adolescence! And how you have resolved it! I applaud and admire your courage and integrity. And at such a young age!

I am glad Islam has you to speak for it. There are so many ugly things going on in the world today in the name of Isalm. I know very little of it, other than what I learned from my Muslim high school classmates, but I can't see how a culture founded on the muslim religion could have produced such wonderful poets without being itself beautiful. I shall have to read more Hafiz (sp?). And now I'm interested in reading the Qur'an as well.

And I hope, as you grow into adulthood, that your parents come to see that your choice is about living a life of integrity, a commendable choice for any son.

Thank you all for your comments!  Although I don't really understand RussP's...I'm not a girl :P

Yes, things are better with my father.  He still disagrees, but has chosen a much more respectable stance of silent objection.  It's like me with homosexuals.  I believe homosexuality is wrong, and it's definately 'not for me', but that does nto mean I will not accept homosexuals!  I have several homosexual friends, and I respect them.  I don't judge a person on their beliefs ( also have a scientologist friend lol), but on their actions.  I try not to stereotype.  I don't let the actions of one speak for all.  I think being a Muslim has really helped me in this respect with the few radicals speaking so loudly, I have come to understand the plight of others. 

Again, thank you, and I suppose, your welcome :)

As-Salaam Alaiykum

-Omni

Good to see you sharing your faith. It is of my opinion though that Islam is not acceptant of other faiths, even intolerant. I don't know why but they hated a tiny nation called Israel. Jewish people are called pigs, which is the most derogatory term a muslim will insult a person of Jewish faith. My question to you is, what is the Islamic standard of love, forgiveness, and righteousness?

Hello omni........God bless you.....

Thanks for sharing your path on your journey, we must all be fellow travellers and share with each other......I enjoyed reading your story...and yes it can be a difficult one , and I find its the families who are resistence to the love we have for God...but only us..who love God really know the feelings and our hearts know they are real...I also admire your strength to continue on the path you have chosen....

God bless your path as you continue on your walk with God....

IJL:bg

 Thank you for sharing with us. It is especially interesting to read about war and holy war and the different kinds of Jihad.  I wish others in this world were not so close-minded and filled with propoganda-induced hate that they can't even listen and think for themselves.

Thanks for this, Omni!

So the Jihad really is the battle against one's lower or ungodly self? This concept of the "spiritual war" against one's lower self is present in almost all religions. And yes, I agree, the "devil" or "evil" is the ungodly in us, and the "good" is our Godly nature. Thus, "satanism" is a metaphor for ungodliness. We all are are more or less guilty of it, and the thing to do is strive for Godliness.

I also agree with you in praise of the Koran. The Koran has come down to us virtually unchanged from when it was originally written, and the Prophet Mohammed--whose name be praised--made sure that his teachings were written down accurately. The Koran far more accurateley reflects the teachings of Mohammed than the Bible reflects the teachings of Jesus.

 oh and for the record, one CAN become a Christian all by themselves. All they have to do is pray the Sinners Prayer, It is between them and God.  Water baptism is not salvation, it is an act of obedience and needs a second person to say the words and dunk you.

Now, I'm also curious about something, omni, if you'll pardon my nosiness. What prompted you to join wondercafe, given that you are not a member of the United Church, or even a Christian? How did you find out about it?

Wow Omni,

Thanks for sharing your story with us. I defintaly learned things about your religion that I didn't know before. Hopefully your dad will start to accept your choice more has you continue to live it out but I'm glad to hear he's a little less negative toward it.

Hope you don't mind me asking questions but one that I really don't get it not being allowed to eat pork. Why?

Thank you for that peek into your world Omni. I always like to hear how people of other faiths experience the Divine. How they first experience the Divine is especially profound.

Kappa

I would say that judging by some of the posts around here, there are a few "Christians" that I wonder about.

Omni comes straight from the heart.

IT

Russ

joe2011

I hope one day the Jews and Arabs ( Muslims) can make peace. They are both very exclusive religions. The strange thing to me is that I think they are very much alike. I live in a Jewish community. I have also met wonderful Muslims living here.

Someone asked why they don't eat pork. The bible and Koran forbid it.  I'm not sure but I think the pigs were wild pigs, boars perhaps like they have in Germany today. I'm not sure. Then too...they didn't have any refrigeration so the meat would spoil. The custom of old carried on into modern times. The Jews eat bacon and eggs in the restaurant. They aren't allowed to have it in their homes...lol...

I found out about it through Macleans.  I was intrigued at first, but only as a cursory thing when I browsed the internet.  Now i'm thoroughly enthralled. ;)

One could ask the same about the "Jews" ( I say Jews because i'm countering your stereotype with another for purposes of illustration). Why are they building walls, bombing houses, and trying to one up the terrorists instead of talking to them?  Where is they're standard of forgiveness? 

My point being that the majority of Israelis don't want to be doing this, it's just that the hardcore, die-hard zionists are the one's in government (which is actually pretty corrupt).  Israel isn't helping peace by using retribution tactics, it's making the problem worse.  The one time they negotiated, what happened?  They created a peace treaty with Egypt that has lasted to this day! (And that was in the 70s!). 

I believe peace in the middle east is possible.  People just need to talk.  Both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist (although I don't agree with the methods of the original instating of Israel).  Talk is paramount to peace though.   The longer the people on the ground, the guilty (both "Muslim" and "Jew" if one could call such monsters by those names), are using bullets and bombs to do the talking. 

Not all Muslims call for the destruction of Israel.  Not all Jews call for the destruction of palestine.  Not all canadians drink beer and ride polar bears...  Unfortunately the most radical of any group tend to speak the loudest, because they use actions, and we all know actions speak louder than words. The corrupt, extreme-zionist government on the Israeli side, and Hamas and Hizbollah on the Arab side.

Peace is possible.

As a matter of clarification, I believe that Hamas, and Hizbollah have the right to be fighting (one of the few reasons to fight in Islam is when your land is occupied or you are displaced by a foreign force).  What I do not agree with is their methods.  Suicide bombing?  Unacceptable.  That leaves a paltry army.  In the end, while they have the right to fight, I don't think they should be.  They should turn the other cheek in a sense, and try and talk things out.  The same with the Israelis, the sooner they stop seeing the Palestinians as mindless monsters you cannot negotiate with, the sooner peace will come.

Both are guilty, yet both are innocent.

Anyways, this is a topic for another time.

And as always, Arminius has hit every point out of the field!  :) And yes, the integrety of the Qur'an was another appeal for me :)

As-Salaam Alaiykum, and may the Mercy and Will of Allah guide you all!

-Omni

Oh, we don't eat pork for several reasons.  There are the health reasons (pigs really are filthy animals.  While they might keep themselves clean in appearance, they will eat anything, and do quite often.  Their meat is mostly fat, and they are extremely suceptable to certain diseases (most of which are very rare nowadays mind you)).

Then there is the faith in Allah, it is commanded in the Qur'an, and it's not like eating pork is going to make us any better, so we obey.

As-Salaam Alaiykum

-Omni

In the interpretation of story and science (observation); is it funny (odd) that biologically the pig is very close to the human?

God wouldn't want to consume such a beast eh?

Does the dark hard place of the soul have some funny images to present a mere human? Ah, the value of a story that was refused by king Ahaze in Isaiah 7:11 ... and mankind has been in a dirty fog ever since ... unless there is a bath of light (intelligence, Bath Sheba, unseen light) which we hate to see in our siblings. Are these stories told in many traditions in other words? Too bad as people tending to extremism we wouldn't have a little tolereance and learn something.

In one tradition of perception, "love" was all there was and "thought" is the devil because it interferes with the primal desires. Did God have a brother, a twin which was buried ... at whose instigation? Life is a complex thing ... quite magi if you think that we, as a lump of clay, can be aware of it, in ourselves as a large creation ... if we chose to be aware!

Funny curse or blessing eh? That is represented by the ancient Hebrew word A'D'M. Ides a beginningof the awareness process! It is a fuzzy sense of awareness, and strange logic to many.

Do we know the meanings of the varst field of symbols?

And we won't if people discourage their siblings from being aware of the alien, the foreign, the stanger along the Samaritan's way. You have to step outside your self and that scares the fecundity out of a simple man ... case closed until a curious dog can open it in the darkness without fear.

Vast conflicting symbols, why did you think the powers above gave us a wee piece/peace of that travelling sole ... whether you call ID: Allah, allez or the stranger in the night at Gallilea.

We were divided for amusement in the story ... perhaps we would then learn something of thy's elf. Maybe not!

As far as fear of one getting the upper hand, would it be so frightening if we would share a helping hand to the lower tier? It is a strange enigma no? How long to resolve my Lord? Perhaps if we practived on the meaning of the stories ... our minds would be whetted for Ezikiel's wheel! A sharp edge does make the fall easier ... consider when you really need to sleep! Off you go without a pain. (no arguements Mah).

Is if funny that in ancient myth the spirit of the soul is ephemeral? Now how did that get into an old story? Figment of the mind, sensitive to a thin space of genteel imagination. Is it choosy about where it falls? No but some souls are pretty hard to penetrate with a thought. Isn't that devilish?

Is there a duality in the universe that is inversional ... like conversion ... black and white, day and night? Now who represents love and who the thought ... dependent on tradition? perhaps on has to put it all together ... Aramaic intergration? How could one do that with a Roman tradition that had not on concept of nothing or the infinite ... it was all about the physical Mann!

Now expalain omiga/omega and alif/aleph/ and life it's elf ... it bedevils the isolated mind ... some just deny it!

I've said this before else where, but if mental space is abstract ... which way is up or down. It rather puts one in the swim ... opposite the confusion of love inthe fall ... you have to pull yourself out ... is a hand (yah; hand of Hebrew unknown god, a stranger?) appreciated?

Have a bright day and a good wash in the shadows ... when needed! It usually brings on a chuckle ... like the waters of Babylon in a story!

Russ, I didn't mean "christian" in the general sense (one who is kind to his fellows  godly, moral, etc.), but in the theological sense. If we were to go by the general definition of christian, I'd guess that Omni is more godly, moral, and kind to others than I am in his practice of Islam than I am in my practice of Christianity.

Hope that clears things up! I'd forgotten about the MacLeans advertisements Omni. My mum got rather offended about the bobble-head Jesus one and started muttering about the UC degenerating into moral turpitude. I thought they were intriguing myself, but didn't actually search out WC until I was looking for local churches.

Kappa

K

IT

Russ

Omni, the same could be said about many humans. It's pretty funny how easily all of what you said can apply to humans

And like WaterBouy mentioned, we are biologically very close to pigs. We are the only two animals who get sunburned, for example. That is why they roll around in mud, to protect their skin and to keep cool. They don't have the luxury of chothes and shelter. The Qu'ran isn't going to hit 'em all out of the park dude.

It's always nice to have a belief system that puts all of the pieces together though eh?

Omni:

Thanks for your reply.

Re : Pigs eating almost  anything ...this is why I mentioned wild pigs.

I grew up on a farm in N.S.  where we had pigs. They were fed the proper pig food diet whatever it is ...lol. They weren't free to run around and eat garbage. The same applies to today's pigs being raised for food.

Everyone knows that pork must be well cooked even today. I believe there is the possibility of contracting worms....maybe tape worm...not sure. Jews are also admonished not to eat lobster I believe. Lobsters are scavengers who eat off the ocean floor...that could entail anything....lol..??

As an aside - off topic...sorry. Here's an article posted on a forum by a Jew:

Quote:

(see my book Jewish Renewal: A Path to Healing and Transformation). Inside the Jewish [and Christian] tradition[s] there has always been a struggle between those who have heard God's voice as the voice of accumulated pain and cruelty of the universe passed on from generation to generation, and those who have heard God's voice as a voice of love, compassion, generosity and transcendence.

Even in our Torah there are moments when the people hearing God's voice are hearing it through the frame of their own accumulated pain and hence hear a voice that talks a language of power, domination and cruelty, and other moments when the people hearing God's voice are hearing it through the frame of their own capacity to respond to God's revelation of love and generosity. [emphasis added]

There are Jews all over this planet and in Israel who feel deeply sad and outraged that the wisdom and beauty of our own Torah has today been appropriated by Right-wing West Bank settlers who use Torah to justify the expropriation of land from Palestinians, insensitivity to the pain caused by the Occupation, and arrogance toward an entire people whom they dominate.

Trapped in the fears generated by 1700 years of Christian oppression, some Israelis today and some American Jews cannot acknowledge their own power, and see themselves as victims of the Palestinians rather than as the actual occupiers and tormentors of another people that they have become.

 stardust, this is such a compelling topic it should be in its own thread.

trishcuit

This topic is  too sensitive . In the extreme it can border on hate literature which the WC guards itself against. I did think this article was rather good, sensible, and not offensive.

 that is true. So much of prophesy lies upon Isreal that what happens over there carries alot of weight.  And weighty things bring out heavy emotions. 

I digress.

Ho hum, I can see why some would find it offensive.  Although I see it as just a neutral, thought-provoking, unbias question. 

On the topic of portaying prophets, a lot of people will ahve heard about the infamous 'danish cartoons'.  One of the big reasons for the outrage at this, was a combination of the insulting and ignorant, hateful message it portrayed, and secondly, it is forbidden to try and depict using anything but words, Allah, or Muhammad. 

As-Salaam Alaiykum!

-Omni

On the topic of pigs once more.  Yes, that was the other thing I forgot to bring up, was their similarity to humans.  Allah forbides the consumption of Humans, so this would transfer over to pigs in a sense.

As-Salaam Alaiykum

-Omni

Dont' quite catch your drift, do you mean the Qur'an isn't going to get ride of pigs altogether? :P

Indeed, but a lot of my faith is interpretation through metaphor, it's not black and white in many senses.  There are many different levels of udnerstanding.  All the pieces fit, but it's up to you to coerce them into place in a sense :)

As-Salaam Alaiykum!

-Omni

Who divided the world of east and west?

Take the Middle East for instance ... a Roman initiation that we follow blindly?

Now who stole the birthright from the mythical people beyond the Canon (echo; Jordan)? It is said the Aramaic peoples had a highly developed civilization that was shared. Now were the Hebrews and the people of the desert well-paired until the arrival of the merchants that couldn't stand common wisdom? It was only for sale as intellectual property (my that sounds familiar). Now think of the process for Edom and those eastern peoples to Jerusalem. It just keeps getting worse.

The Writer of "The Black Swan" Nassim Nicholas Taleb tells a grand story of early peace in this area until the arrival of European powers. It is a grand subversive story of the actions of business as relates to the growth of the soul ... an "outlander" in the terms of the Black Swan. When a realm is spoiled by avarice ... what's the chance of recovery ... like a bad apple in a barrel if something isn't separated and isolated?

Metaphor of the financial cause of the dumbing down of humanity for coin ... a desperate price? Perhaps we should change our train of thought and emotions ... do an inversion based on cultivating people! Wouldn't that be a true (vere, rael) upset of the world. 

Scientists tell us there is a polar change every 25K years or so, or is that just another Black Hole in deep inner space? Could a stretched genteel emma Jinn nation connect this with spirit?

And they call me insane! At least one side of my bean can think and isn't driven by passions alone.

Here here!  Well said WaterBuoy!!!!

*I salute your wisedom*

As-Salaam Alaiykum

-Omni

lol, I meant as far as scientific accuracy. Any scientific accuracy made in a religious text is usually a stroke of luck, no matter how many instances there are of it.

That's good. It's a lot better to treat religious texts like that since that's usually how they were meant to be read. Cultural context is important to keep in mind too but I'm sure you've done your research there

Yup, the Qur'an emphisizes that you must not take things out of context (thats how a lot of people get hate or such out of religious texts)  and you must know the historical and cultural signifigance of any part you are studying.

As-Salaam Alaiykum

-Omni

There is an old Sufi proverb about the value of a story (untested fact, any story?); it says that the story can only be understood in the face of time, space and situation. That seems to smack of ...

hero-in the matter of involvement or wisdom from outside the spin .. drift. Is that Ishmael or the storm going down the wormhole? Old Sow in space! ID's a big motivation that we miss in self-interest sects ... Ptolemy's, or just Totems that we attach to without thought?

Would that make the dirt move in the caldron of ironic creation? Picture this: one witch stirring one fanning and the other encouraging the la Dei's to leave it alone it'll boil all by itself as it attracts the heat ... that's the irony of a thinking mind without compassion ... or the counterpart ... ode a'b'd fell ows ... separated truth in Yiddish pas time. Yah don't learn not'in wit' out a wee pa'n! That is D'N, confusing devil, the dawning mind, bleached without care, and clear drink, if you don't feed it the proper spirits ... then the spirits they are varied to ...

"Oh D'N can you see (Oasis) that big green tree ..."

Now were we directed not to cut the trees in a defeated land? Is that Green hows effect without a questionable sense to the logical string?

Oh anything for a profit, but what about the vision down the road a prophet ... nothing but denial? Does such ignorance assist the cause?

Oh unknowns ... man is an odd enigma. If only we could resolve it ... go figure!

Those in the soft life ... recycle ... resurrection here say ... Oak Ai Doaky ...

Assalamu Alaikum my friend,

I would like to return to the topic of conversion... I am a young woman of 26 yrs, and am currently going through the process, as you had in the past, of questionning faith and seeking the higher truth. As it stands, although i have a catholic upbrigning, and a newborn christian faith, I am starting to find much truth and sense in Islam... Furthermore, and I am certain you will understand exactly what I mean, i believe we are all (three abrahamic religions) part of one whole, and that the Ummah extends to the three. As humans, we are ignorant and selfish in our beliefs, and do not realise how alike we are. This, i believe, is very important for us all to see,Incha-Allah.

I do have one question though... As a christian woman, who recognises the Ummah, Muhammed and who is starting to see truth in the Koran (as well as the Bible), I have a hard time accepting what is asked of muslim women in Islamic practices... Now dont start explaining the meaning of the hijab, i know already, as much as i understand why a man or woman decides to become a priest, a nun or chaste in Christianity, but everything else...

I find it easier for a man to embrace the practices than for women. One thing I have a very hard time with is men and women being seperated for prayer at Mosque... I strongly believe that the truly devout should be able to pray no matter who is next to them, as they are communicating with God and no other. I mean, what is the diffrence in distraction between praying next to your enemy or a covered lady?... We are not animals... we are able to block intentions to concentrate toward God... Why is this such a problem? Honestly, I find it very profound and very important to be able to pray, for ex, alongside one's husband. It is not only nice to know we are experiencing the same closeness to God together, but also to know how despite our physical diffrences, we are all connected to God. Futhermore, I would like to ask why men and women are not seperated for the Hadjj?... (I just finished the most wonderful documentary "National Geographics : Inside Mecca")

... Help...

God bless

Your cousin, your sister,

chicka

That comment is out of line.  Haven't we agreed that our ability to know what the person on the other end of the keyboard is really limited?

I'm not commenting on what you are like on the other end of the keyboard. I'm commenting on the effect of your behaviour and deprtment here.

Are you the only one permitteed to make judgement calls on people? You do that quite often here. Reread your post to Omnissiah and tell me if you haven't.

"you elected to embrace a cage of control, a governance whereby you wouldn't have to lift a single brain cell, all of it is laid out in front of you.  All you have to do is submit.  You were indeed a prime candidate for coming under an authoratative "system", and were ripe for the picking"

If other people often see elements of you reflected in your criticism of others, it may be worth your while to check the mirror yourself. That is what a person of reason would do.

Nonsense.  He openly described his experience at length and with detail.  I merely made an observation of that from my point of view, and gave my opinion.  If he wishes to display how I am incorrect, he is free to do that and I welcome it.  This is a discussion forum and not a nursery isn't it?

No it's not a nursery.

Which is why one has to wonder when you make harsh statements and opinions that make judgement calls, it's debate, but when other people do it to you, it's out of line.  It does not appear you're willing to hold yourself to the same standard you expect of others.

More nonsense.  Look, the guy spelled out in some detail how he came to Islam.  I picked up on several things in his lengthy disclosure and gave my point of view.  If nothing but slaps on the back, agreement and praise only is permitted here, I need to know that.

My my, I really should have checked this sooner...

Well well star, I matured out of it into Islam.  If you re-read my post you might see that my irrational anger had died out, although I was still highly selfish.  I chose Islam not because it caged me, but because it set me free.

While all that may not be propaganda (although I have to go on is your word, someone who is obviously against Islam to begin with),  and "not intended to promote hate" or anything of the sort, it's exactly these needless, and obviously begrudged things. 

Star, please find for me a couple verses from the Qur'an where a Muslim would be commanded to just kill people for the hell of it, to be evil and basically live up to all of your expectations.  Please, even one.  And no Ahadith, I don't follow ahadith as anything more than suggestions on finer points in lifestyle. 

It's great to not agree with something, but if it's not hurting you, nor is it hurting me, nor is it hurting anyone else, then why are you so vehemently against it? Are you worried i'm going to become a terrorist?  I must admit, with some of the prods I get from the likes of you, it certainly works to piss me off.  Although it never lasts.  I try to be at peace within and without...I try. 

How about you?  Hows your...err....situation?...going for you? 

As-Salaamu Alaikum Star Stuff,

-Omni

P.S.  Thanks Witch, for standing up for me while I was absent.  It means a lot.  As-salaamu Alaikum.

Also, because i'm in the process of watching all that stuff, I have one comment, in the first one when Abdullah Al-Araby says that "I believe that those terrorists are practicing the true Islam, practiced by Muhammad", do you not think that is something extremely stupid (not to mention passimistic and outright wrong) to say?

What better way to drive 1.3 billion people into the arms of Al-qaeda?  oh yea..."Hey, these guys are right...".  Well now...what a wonderful idea.  And they say religion is hurting us...lol.

Anywho, my beef with you ain't done yet.

As-Salaamu Alaikum

-Omni

Omni,

Please understand that the films I posted are clear that they are addressing radical Islam.

While I would much prefer a lot more moderate Muslims over radical Muslims, I do view all religious (supernatural) beliefs to be delusional.

If you are taking the time to view the films, I thank you for that, that says a lot.

By the way, what is the traditional and historical punishment for apostacy within Islam? (not the toned down version you may subscribe to).

Hello chickamontreal

We welcome you. Come on in!  Omni has gone to get a long fresh drink of cool spring  water but I'm sure he'll be back real soon. He's in school; he may be a bit busy. He's the only Moslem on the board and he sure could use a friend so I hope you'll stick around.

I too would like to know the answers to the questions you asked. It may be similiar to orthodox Judiasm in that a man is not supposed to look at a strange woman who is not his wife. Fear of lust you know, but by suppressing lust and sexuality it glows even brighter sort of like the forbidden apple in the G. of Eden. Also those who are covered in garments  from head to toe surely arouse the mystery in sex much more so than those who let it all hang out

Sorry I know little about Islam. I have a picture on my PC from the northern lights in Alaska. The name of Allah is written in the sky!  I'm unable to post pics. on here.

May Allah  rain down showers of wisdom and love upon you and Omni.

(((((((((((Omni and chickamontreal)))))))))))))))))))))

Star Stuff

You've been kind to me and I'm sorry but I felt obligated to ask Admin. to review the videos you posted to check if they might be construed as hate literature. Its a public forum and we have laws against such. I didn't check any of them myself but it appears Admin. has removed them.

So, let me get this straight.  Without viewing the videos, you assumed that they might be "hate literature?!?.....and further, you reported it?!?  Why was that.....because it had to do with Islam?  Man, that's messed up.  Those films were nothing of the sort!

Those three films were professionally made documentaries and have been on TV.

The choice by admin to remove that post - without notifying me - is appalling, cowardly and shameful, and another example of the insane level of pandering and hyper politcal correctness that Islam demands, and the West cowers to.

If that is the level of integrity of the admin of this site then I'm done here.

SHAME.

Star Stuff

You know I think we'd all be better off if we gave our tongues a rest from criticism  and talked to the trees instead. I'm not being funny. There are people who hug trees and talk to them. Nature is so wonderful.

Quote from a forum: ( I love it!)

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I often put my arms around my favorites and my ear to the trunk as this opens up a secondary type of communication through their trunk. They also will communicate in a knocking sound in which the entire tree will vibrate and it is very easy to hear when my ear is to the tree. I have yet to figure out exactly what they are saying. I hope to crack the code soon. I would love to work out something with them like, "OK, one rap for yes, two raps for no"...and ask them a bunch of questions. But of course the overarching message is always love, and I am grateful for the friendship of these beautiful trees. It is an honor to have them respond to me so audibly.

sorry posted in wrong place.