Hello, in one of the other topics, a statement was made,
"... we just became an affirming congregation a short while ago. I'm impatient at the speed of change and would like to help it along. Our congregation is old (mostly 45+) and I'm afraid the church is going to die if we don't attract more younger people...."
Two questions come to mind. Can someone please respond?
1. What is an affirming congregation? (I have an idea but not really sure and want the full scope of its meaning)
2. What percentage of the United Churches in Canada are "affirming" congregations?
Thank you,
Deb_D
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nighthawk
Posted on: 01/27/2008 21:02
In answer to number 1:
http://www.united-church.ca/exploring/marriage/affirmingcongregations
In answer to number 2:
http://www.affirmunited.ca/english/ministries_list.htm#Congregations
Though a congregation could be "affirming" in practice, even if they have not gone through the formal process of becoming an affirming congregation.
MadMonk
Posted on: 01/27/2008 21:41
Some gay and lesbian people don't want to be part of an affirming congregation. Blew my socks off when I heard that. They said they just like being who they are and don't want special status.
Safe space is important to them, tho.
nighthawk
Posted on: 01/27/2008 21:52
If you're looking for an actual percentage, there are 38 congregations listed on the Affirm United page, and according to http://www.united-church.ca/organization/statistics there are 3,405 individual congregations in the UCC, which gives us a percentage of 1.12 affirming congregations.
YouthWorker
Posted on: 01/27/2008 22:27
nighthawk said:
"Though a congregation could be "affirming" in practice, even if they have not gone through the formal process of becoming an affirming congregation."
I believe this describes my church. I'm sure there are MANY out there.
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/28/2008 10:39
Yes you can be an affirming congregation without the official title - like MM said some prefer it that way
Now the title is can be a means of mission - both in the sense it tells gays and lesbians they are welcome - and a statement to the community.
My hunch on the first is most people come through word of mouth not by signs - ( it would be interesting to find out how many people this site has brought in) and also word of mouth addresses the community issue - you get known by the grapevine in a small community.
My last church was 'known' as gay positive yet not affirming in title.
BornFree
Posted on: 01/28/2008 12:20
The affirmunited website states:
WHAT IS AFFIRM UNITED?
Affirm United/S'affirmer ensemble is an organization of people of all sexual orientations and gender identities within The United Church of Canada. We work to provide the full inclusion of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people in the church and in society. We are a worshipping, pastoral, and prophetic community celebrating the biblical and theological liberation. We believe that all people are created in the image of God and are unconditionally loved by God.
My church is not classed as affirming because we wouldn't allow gay marriage or clergy.
Yet we welcome anyone of any race, creed or sexual orientation to be part of the family of Christ.
We love all these folks but we believe that the homosexual lifestyle is not part of what we preach.
This would apply to anyone in our church who wanted to preach while living in a lifestyle that is not recognized as alright.
It is the lifestyle that is rejected not the person. I have no problem hugging and loving my gay friends even though I don't agree with their lifestyle.
There are many things that they don't agree with about me also.
This does not appear to be a problem for any of us.
We are a family of Christ and love one another.
I don't agree with everything my brother or sister do either and they don't agree with everything I do, yet we are still a part of the same loving family.
We also are not in the position of speaking on behalf of the family unless we are all in agreement. Our mother and father make the rules for our family.
crazyheart
Posted on: 01/28/2008 12:48
bornfree, who made the rules in your church?
BornFree
Posted on: 01/28/2008 14:46
God did!
cjms
Posted on: 01/28/2008 14:51
Why is god making different rules in each church?...c
Panentheism
Posted on: 01/28/2008 16:12
born - actually if your church does not allow gay clergy you cannot be inclusive - my hunch you think homosexuality is a sin - it is not. As long as your church holds it is a sin it is not welcoming.
God has not declared homosexuality to be a sin - to say so is to misuse the bible - bottom line -
sighsnootles
Posted on: 01/28/2008 17:13
funny... god made the rules in my church too, and yet we allow gay clergy and celebrate same sex marriage as equal to heterosexual marriage before god.
the lord works in mysterious ways, i guess!!
Deb_D (not verified)
Posted on: 01/29/2008 00:05
I just read all of your responses. I am grateful to all of you!! I got more of an answer(s) from the two questions than I expected, thank you!
Thank you ... nighthawk (& for the links), MadMonk, YouthWorker, Panentheism, Born Free, crazyheart, cjms, sighnootles!
There had been many changes over the decade plus since I returned to the UCC. New jargon too ... think I better get myself a manual ...and/or but then .... there is wonderful you(s)!!!
Deb_D