Rick Santorum thinks that women are a different species, essentially, so that he can justify second class citizenship for them.

This entire GOP leadership thing-y has made me more determined than ever that we need a giant chisel to just chip us off North America so we don't have to be neighbours with those twits anymore.

is he trying to get into comedy now?

Hi HappyGenius---You Wrote --------Women and men: differennt types of emotion?---If You ask Married men , please let me be the first to answer.YESSSSSSSSSSS.

Kind of makes you nostalgic for the fifties, doesn't it? Back when life was simple and a woman understood her unique "nurturing" role of taking care of everybody and not giving opinions. Men were big, strong breadwinners and left the "emotional stuff" for women.

"And you knew who you were then.

Girls were girls and men were men."

(Those Were the Days sung by the Bunkers)

(Tongue firmly in cheek -- of course, this is absolutely dripping with irony......)

Doesn't everyone have their own, unique, internal emotional ecosystem?

Don't some cultures cut the differences along class lines? Others along gender lines? Others along racial-ethnic lines? Aren't these all fallacious? And some cultures chop and dice in ways that make relationships quite awkward because of their perversely complicated preoccupations. Aren't most of the "issues" about social hegemony.

Isn't relationship about finding emotional harmonies and establishing new ways of being for both partners? Isn't that what makes relationships — with friends or lovers — so involving and interesting? Emotional growth? Spiritual and intellectual deepening? Don't firends and lovers help us grow and even transform us? Discovering new tastes and interests? Seeing familiar environments through new eyes and adding wider dimensions to novel experiences?

Isn't it corruptions of religious teaching — turning faith into pitches for political power —  that exploit false lines of division and the segregation of different sorts of identity? God for guys is as offensively misrepresentative to me as God for white folks or God for the rich or God of the poor… "god" is he/she, rich/poor, all colours: "god" — didn't she put the earth's bounty and diversity in place for everyone? Isn't is us who find fault and try to cut things our own way? False religions are, of course, complicit in this (it's what marks them as 'False") and the extent to which they do is the measure of their complicity. 

I've had difficulties with the emotional territories of other people (don't we all?), and the discords have most often been with other men, especially in North America. I grew up in New Zealand and still have strong interesting relationships with men and women fairly equally — so what you grow up with probably has a lot to do with laying the bases of rapport-ability. I sure couldn't be bothered trying to be pals with the Rick Santorum I've seen and heard. It's take too much energy and there are a lot more interesting people in the World.

now some ambassadors of Cute

I don't think men and women have different types of emotions, but they could have different emotional reactions to identical situations.

What is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good?

And do we need anyone to tell us these things?

-Plato

I wonder what the reaction would be if Rick said that to a room full of female soldiers? Of course, he might blame any negative reaction on females' emotions being different.

I cannot believe (well I can) who is in the presidential races. It would be comedy if it wasn't for real.

ditto to Arminius. Also, I think women are socialized to express our emotions differently, and like everyone..some emotions are (either through nature or nurture) more a part of an individual's character than others, but we are all (most of us anyway) capable of the same spectrum of emotions.

The female emotion is Ephraim in a biblical standard ... that which contains the mael emotion ... thus the flighty , bewitching, fey portion is beyond the mael as it was planned ... generating rheum for Webster's definition:

The intellect is all that is beyond the mael in myth ... but no matter what happens ... passion will overcome and there will be phoqah up (faux cup) in heaven and no mortal shalll find it even if heis thinks and believes with passion it is within heis main Yam ... it isn't chi has IT ... for man couldn't think in presence of the naked sole at the head of that pithy space ... quorem loci ...

Thus it was presently saed .. as he lost the cede in de LamÞ ... indi course ov'tha myth ... which few have been able to establish as matte of de soul thing ... virtually imaginary ... like Gold in the mortal case ... ID'll pas ...

Did I tell you that in time, space and light of de SHOE ... all things are amorphus and wear on de emotional state?

Nexus ... a well-worn recycle that doesn't know nothing about the past--- Shirley McLain ... 3000 year old hoes Eire ... one that has reacall ...

I don't think it's a male/female thing. I think it has more to do with personality styles.

I know there's some kind of difference every time we watch a movie together and I get through 5 tissues where he remains dry eyed, but as for whether the emotions themselves, when they arise, are the same, I would tend to think yes, we all feel guilt, love, regret, sadness, joy... and I recon they are the same, though it would be interesting to be a man for a while to confirm this...

I think emotions flux more frequently in women because of our hormonal changes, and chemical differences in our brains.

I don't think either way of being is better, they compliment each other.

I know I certrainly would never want to be a soldier myself. But I understand that some women do. I wonder how that dynamic works out on the front line with men and women fighting side by side... Do the male soldiers try to protect the female ones? Or do they pretend the female ones are also men? Private so and so, rather than Jenny or Sophie... Do the female soldiers have to get a buzz cut too? Can you imagine the trenches when it's your time of the month? Doesn't bear thinking about. Women would and could not follow orders to kill in the way men do I think. Because we're the ones who bring people into the world, and we are more easily affected. War is just so awful anyway, I wish no one had to be involved. Would the USA draught women, if there was a third world war?

since women are vitally necessary to the economy (trillions worldwide), they don't have as much free time as men do to 'goof off'

Wo din Gnat just get cha in de lieb of de hart woed?

Then there's this difficulty with androgyny ... fear of what?

Divinein' intervention ... like getting into another's dimension of thought ...

Look out it may be pithy trap ... de nous in de Shadow ...

I did say that Nous was an old concept of the unconceivable mind ... din' Tiye? Without knots comes out all scewed ... like Ø ... no phi nor theta ... a medium? God we hate the inbetween like balanced is crazy compared to the polarities ...

This functions well when matched with church polity and no politi can in church ... but hoo'd conceive of such thing-heh?

Thanks for the thought provoker, especially

Here's something potentially interesting. Women talking about why they joined the Marines. They don't seem to have had disturbing experiences, and I'm not clear what the difference is between the Marines and the Army, but they do seem like regular women, some a bit tougher than others.

I also hear that women when mixed with male soldiers have been the victims of sexual assult and harrassment. Also some male soldiers don't like to take orders from female superiors. I understand these women have to dress, act and talk like men in that world.

I was just reading some interesting stuff about prehistory and the hunt and Artemis ans goddess worship, but I haven't time now, will come back tomorrow and type that out...

Over on Pilgrim's depression thread in health she embedded a video where Prof. Brown speaks of shame and other emotions.

One comment she makes is that men and women experience the same emotions-they just express them differently.

Of course they do.(have different types of emotions)

It's still pretty much a man's world and women still tend to get the underdog treatment.

It seems to me that wars are generally fought over a man's right to oppress others and women are high on the list of those to be oppressed.

The traditional order does not give women much right to express their emotions at least not in such a way as to be readily listened to.

WARLADIES?  I have started a new thread wondering about them in Popular Culture.

OK, I'll contuinue my warlady thoughts, clips and quotes  there naman. This is quite on my mind right now.

Actually, I did not want to take this thread off on a tangent with warladies so I started a new thread with them.

I have been finding this thread on different types of emotion interesting and would like to have it discussed further.

I am not sure how "bondage" fits into this discussion. Some time ago, while wondering about serfdom, I googled bondage. Up came a whole slough of websites advocating various types of restraing devices "suitable" for use in restraining women.

Now Namanis wondering about the emotional aspects of sexual bondage and whether women are prepared to accept it the same as the serfs accepted feudalism.

Not even sure whether or not the serfs accepted feudalism or whether it was because they did not have much choice.

Bondage,

How about the subserviant mind in a realm where intellect is somewhat questionable ...

Good point WaterBuoy.  I just googled subservient (not suvserviant) mind. This is keeping me busy.

Ah, another devil at his chores ... el'UV a Job ... learning the word ...

I am not another devil at his chores. Just attempting to figure out what makes these devils tick.

Only one thing makes a devil tick ... words ripping through their heads ...

They must be moderated like neutrons in a pile ... for men cannot stand quick altruisms ... they won't absorb ...

Attach eM to a story ... the extra bulk ... is like bran ... assisting in dumping the fecundity in a wider realm! Gravid Ah?

white people are funny

I agree with Rick Santorum in a way, but probably not in the same context he would want me to understand.

When women try to fashion themselves "as warriors" to match natures with men, I think they do themselves a great disservice. The most formidable women I have met, are not the ones that have to prove themselves in physical battles or wars, but rather remain authentic to their own nature, and this doesn't include physically fighting an enemy. It means a woman that is true to herself, knows herself and understands others well enough, to be a positive influence for the good of her home, her family and the world.

A woman that is comfortable in her own skin is a force to reckon with.

But waterfall, not all women are like that. There are women who like to fight and struggle and work physically hard. There are women who would, self-admittedly, be bad parents, and rightly choose not to have children. And there are men who make great nurturing stay-at-home dads.

We can make generalizations, but they're just that - generalizations. They don't speak to all female (or male) experience any more than one-size-fits-all pantyhose have ever fit all women (well, any of them, in my experience, but that's another thread...).

I resist, on behalf of women everywhere, being crammed in your boxes. I will not go, and I will not stay.

Seriously? Women enjoy killing? That is what I am referring too. Not free choices about careers that they enjoy. War is about killing each other, unless you think this is something to aspire to?

Bette I would be the last to box women in, pass me the saw while we talk, so I can finish putting in my floors that I started this weekend.

Well, there are women who join the army, knowing that killing likely comes with the job if they are deployed.  So, on some level, those women, even if they don't enjoy it, must've justified it in their minds at least. I don't get it myself...but this might be stated in the warladies thread.

Better yet, come on over to our place. We've got some drywall to put in in the basement, and I haven't got a clue.

People who like killing are psychopaths, pure and simple.

Accepting the ethic of war in the service of your country is something entirely different, and something that does not require a penis.

"ethic of war?" There's an "ethic of war" now? Imho, war is always wrong.

I agree MC. We were given hearts and minds and the ability to communicate. Surely, we can work out disagreements without weapons. But, over the years powerful people have decided it was a good idea to "improve" the technology of war machines...mostly because it drives much of our economy...historically, wars have been money makers. Inevidably that will involve killing people...what a waste of hearts and minds...and we have been taught to believe that we have to accept the concept of the ethic of war. After one war is over...our goevrnments never say, "never again", and work to change that ethic...they just restock their arsenals...each jockeying for more power for the next go 'round...out of sight out of mind from the rest of society. The whole idea that someone should "serving one's country" in unjust wars that most of us don't want and shouldn't pursue is an oxymoron. I feel horrible that they should feel the need to do that and risk their lives. I totally disagree with war. We (anyone of conscience) must pursue every other option first before things escalate that far...but many don't even think about it.

ET-ICH,

Research Salvidore Dahli's Santago El Grande ... a gross expression of de sole .. where a picture says a thou san' words ... thus creation gave us delite in Zea'n ...

Is an old word defining an upright pyre ... and some people will uphold anything if it means personal advance over the rest of humanity ... a means to an end .. Dondelogical expression ... Dr. Norm?

Well said Kimmio, I couldn't agree with you more.

Who are we to kill off other children of God?

One has to ask what is the Cos of such desire ...?

What is the cause of such desire?

I grew up in Germany, and even remember the tail end of WWII.

I remember that Germans had the honourable duty to kill British, Canadians, Americans, and Russians, who had the honourable duty to kill Germans. It was honour killing on a massive scale!

When we are appaled over the recent Shafia honour killings, and say there is no honour in killing, we conveniently forget that, not very long ago, honour killing was an honour-bound duty for many of us.

The powers that be, who procaim killing as an honourable duty, seem to be the ones to blame. But it is us who put them in positions of power.

It is quite humbling isn't it Arm ...

To observe that humility is taught in old parables and yet in the real-life temple ... the hoer of war is still held high ...

Makes me think of deeper satyrs ... so people wouldn't know what I'm getting at ...

Altruistically speaking common folk arn't supposed to know this stuff, or even think about it ... the 3 Mon Qui Rule!

And yet some ministers tell me they can't believe I've been told to hang up my brae'n/mind complex before entering church and act on emotions alone ... omi gaw'd assist us ... the options are thin ...

The way out the fabric of a veil ... but how big is it on the other side? Does a Roman have an index for anything beyond a thousand ... or less than a singularity ... nothing is excepted! Love as starting from de void is really not acceptable in a world that only accepts the  pysical gold metaphysical chimera is a monstrous affair ... like a shining thought in the dark ... something to explore ... before it dryad?

Good post. I agree.

Well said Kimmio!! No War No More!!

Well said Arminius! But it is not us that put them in positions of power. It is all rigged. It doesn't matter who you vote for, in the end it is the same. The Bilderburgers rule the world, and there are no women among them.

My Dad talks about the war sometimes, and how awful it was. People being killed all over the place. To him of cource it was the Americans bombing his home, and Omi's flat was bombed. Taken from his mother, father sent off to war, a father who was not a Nazi, and Dad sent to a residential school where they were indoctrinated in hate. He bears wounds from that. I made a slideshow about it, using Omi's old photos and Pink Floyd's Goodbye Blue Sky, but it was too personal to upload to youtube. and Hubby also thought people might think it portrays support for the German side. No, it was just a cry of lament for either side of a war.

As for fetish bondage, that's too scarey to discuss. There are some weird people out there.

Inanna, looks like you found some more insightful videos. I was thinking of posting Talking Heads "Nothing But FLowers", maybe you saw my "like" for that one. Love the Adam and Eve segment. What film is that from? Looks fun. Oh what the heck. This is a live version of the song, not as peppy as the single, but I like this vid better than the original!

Yes, Elanorgold, it does not seem to matter who we vote for, big capital rules the world, or, as the German proverb goes, "Geld regiert die Welt"—but only with our tacit approval! If we, the silent majority, the 99%, really wanted things to be different, we'd make it so. In this day and age, the capitalist superstructure couldn't rule without our approval.

In WWII, all participants were duped, only the Germans more so than their "enemies." Essentially, all victims of WWII suffered or died for the propaganda lies of their respective governments. I think this should be said. It wouldn't diminish honouring the sacrifices of WWII veterans, but it would diminish honouring the "good" reasons for war.

Inannawhimsey's third video "Taking Sex Differences Seriously"  is sooooo good. Important scientific truths. I agree with all of it. I encourage you all to take half an hour out to learn or confirm within yourselves, these truths about the difference between men and women. That's my view, and I coudn't express it properly. He says it. Thanks Inanna.

Arminius, true, we have the purchacing power. We just need to wake up to the brainwashing and make concious decisions that are benneficial. Very good point.

Yes, good point about WWII too.

Well I have seen bumper stickers that read " My husband fights so yours doesn't have to." I am still waiting to see a bumper sticker read " My wife fights so your wife doesn't have to." Has anyone seen the latter?

The Susan Pinker interview is interesting in how she says about testosterone making men more vulnerable to both infection and high risk behaviour, including suicide, and how ten times more men are in prison than women. And how oxytocin is such a social drug. The female social thing is a big one. Good to know it's biological. Women really do need deep personal social interaction more than men, generally.

How 'bout my wife fights so your husband doesn't have to?