Here's the link:

http://radiofreebabylon.com/Comics/CoffeeWithJesus.php

Ungrateful Jesus is not safe to drink liquids with.

LOL!

It reminded me of the little vids we had at the beginning of WC.

Interesting website waterfall - and SO many comics!   "Constructive disruptors of thought" - I like what they do - IMO its good to create disruption and challenge some (perhaps) entrenched opinions.

Some of the comics I liked, others not.   "Shake Things Up" - made me LOL.  

Could you ever see these occasionally making their way into church bulletin? 

(Sorry - my resizing of the image was apparently not effective - no downsizing for Jesus!!!) 

I could see some of these being used in church bulletins, Carolla.

I liked the one about "footprints" too. Quite a few made me laugh....uncomfortably.....oh that Jesus!

So, if you had coffee with Jesus, what would you say to him.

I said, "Hey, Jesus, is everything that Paul said about you true?"

"Who's Paul?" answered Jesus.

, Arminius.

I've heard a lot of people make the comment that if we actually were in Jesus' presence (as in having coffee with him) (or as in heaven) that the things that we would like to question him today wouldn't be that important to us in the moment we are in his presence.

I beg to differ, I think I would still have the same questions . . . and I think Jesus would feel like I was attacking him with my "why" "why" "why"s . . . some for myself and some for others.

Yes, Beloved, I too think those big "W" questions would still be the same, on earth as in heaven.

Basically, those big "W" questions is what we've been tossing around in WonderCafe for the past seven years, haven't we? Midrash in the spirit of the ancient Judaic midrash tradition, eh?

I am sure, Beloved, that the answers wouldn't come from Jesus anyway. God maybe - Jesus  no.

But Jesus IS God according to the Trinity...

I like some of the comics and not others.  Some are neither funny nor thought provoking.

This is true....and false.

Did I get it right this time? Because I think my answer was stupid.

*shrugs*

If Jesus is God in human form, then it doesn't make sense to me that Jesus would be in heaven at all.  I'll only be having coffee with him if he comes back to Earth... and if I start liking coffee.

Hi chansen:

Even stupid answers can be false and true.

One hair, perhaps, divides the false from true

-from the Rubaiyat by Omar Khayyam

Hi chansen,

Sorry.  No, you did not get it right.

From a Trinitarian position Jesus is God.  Jesus is not the Father nor is Jesus the Holy Spirit.  Jesus is the Son.  While the Son is as much God as the Father and the Holy Spirit the Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.

Valiant effort though.

Grace and peace to you.

John

So, Rev. John, if I am having coffee with Jesus - I am having coffee with God, but not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit ?

So, God is the Father. Jesus is God, but is not the Father. The Holy Spirit is God, as is the Son, but the Son is not the Holy Spirit.

I am now deeply afraid that I got that right.

You got it right.  It depends ...

Hi c hansen,

It is a little loose but essentially correct.

From a Trinitarian perspective there is one God and that one God is expressed in three persons.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.  God is actually a short-hand for a fuller term Godhead.  The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all present in the Godhead and yet, God as Father relates to creation differently than does the Son or the Holy Spirit.

Grace and peace to you.

John

If, as I believe, the Holy Trinity is a metaphor for the Principle of Complementarity, and the Principle of Complementarity does not merely explain particle/wave function but is a basic cosmic principle pertaining to all diametric opposites, including the creator/created pair, and this pair is symbolized by God/Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is the transcendental power or force that keeps the two separated and/or united (a lot of ifs, I know :-), then God is Jesus, and is not Jesus. And the two are unified as well as separate. And this so because the transcendental power holds the two in separation and unification.

And, when the two are unified, then all three—the two diametric opposites together with the transcendental power—constitute one inseparable whole. In unity, synthesis or nonduality, the three are one. In separation, analysis or duality, the three are a distinct three. And the synthesis is as true as the analysis, but I think and feel that the synthesis is the greater and ultimate Truth.

I really did spend some time trying to work it out.

God is Creator, Redeemer, Renewer, ultimate Recycler and Re-purposer (the way I think of God) the force of the entire Universe and beyond the Universe as we know it- not a person but an energy entity that encompasses and transcends all things that exist within and beyond our compacity to comprehend them, into infinity. The Son, Jesus, is the perfect human- symbolically and as a real seed or potential that exists in all humanity who can be understood because he is made manifest in humanity. The Holy Spirit is the guide, encouraging that seed to grow, guiding in the same way that it guided Jesus as it was wholly and perfectly operational in Jesus.

Just so we're clear, this is the same Holy Spirit who had ghost-sex with his mom?

Yeah, well- I believe that the Holy Spirit guided Joseph to do the right thing and honour the woman he cared about who had become pregnant by a human being- who knows who, and she hid it and was ashamed. Joseph defended her honour. Symbolic of good conscience and standing up for the right thing. She might have hidden that she was raped by someone and would otherwise have been rejected- Joseph stepped up, and perhaps in a brutal society that they lived on then- that was a 'miracle'. I believe human sperm were involved- sperm that otherwise would have cast her as a 'fallen woman'.

So, to you, it's possible that Christianity is the unintended byproduct of a rape.

And people think I'm a heretic.

I believe the real story behind the story got mythologized. Ever seen or read Life of Pi? It illustrates how that happens- how the story behind the story gets mythologized- and yet, is still 'the truth'. The wisdom learned from it is the essential 'truth'.

I read or heard a discussion. I didn't come up with the idea. It's been talked about for years.

No, not based on a rape- had it not been for her honour being restored, Jesus might have been rejected. It is based on goodwill that allowed Mary's virtue to be redeemed and Jesus to be born.

Christianity is about transformation and making what is broken, whole again.

Christianity doesn't restore shit. It has to first convince you that you're broken, even if you're not. It wants to see you torn down, so it can rebuild you to give credit to Jesus.

People need to start believing in themselves, instead of stupid crap like this.

Another idea that has validity is that the original word 'virgin' meant 'young woman'- kind of like 'fair maiden' with no reference to sexuality- except that if she was young and unmarried the social expectation was, of course, that she had not had sex. So, the possibilty that some guy got her pregnant, she was ashamed, and Joseph stepped up to the plate- makes sense. It doesn't make sense that Joseph got her pregnant, because the bible story casts him as a step-father.

And even now- how many young pregnant girls from 'good homes' get rejected by their families? We're still broken. It's because of how people relate to other people that leave individuals 'broken' needing to be 'restored'. That hasn't changed, but there are more safe refuges for broken feeling people to get help so they can feel whole again. Back then- we have a story about a young girl and the only guy for miles around who would do the right thing- and an innocent baby who was born in virtue. Today, we would have a young girl whose boyfriend marries her and rescues her from her uncaring family, or from rejection by said family, or a young girl who gets counselling and learns she is not a 'slut', etc. baby grows up and changes the world for the better.

So, do I believe Mary was a virgin? Yes, I do. I believe she was as decent and virtuous after she became pregnant as she was before she became pregnant.

Also interesting- to me anyway- are the 3 Marys in the NT: Mother Mary (of Nazareth), Mary Magdalene- close companion of Jesus, who may have been a prostitute, and Mary of Bethany- the woman who sat at Jesus feet and listened and learned from him while her sister Martha ran around fretting about getting supper perfectly ready for their guest. I don't know if that was by coincidence or by design that they were all named Mary-but all these Marys have significant roles- and significant lessons in their stories. Magdelena may have been the woman who was saved from stoning- forgiven, redeemed, Mary of Bethany- the woman who embraced the spirit in which Jesus was teaching. And, of course, Mother Mary. There were 3 Marys mentioned as present at the crucifixion. Then, there is the story about 3 Mary's outside Jesus' tomb. I think two of them were Magdelene (and is she the same Mary as the pious Mary of Bethany?) Jesus' mother (Mary Mother of James- Jesus' half brother). It's a trinity of Marys. I do find the significance of 'Mary' in the Bible, interesting.

Derail. Sorry. I might start a new thread.