InannaWhimsey
horror in abbotsford, BC
Posted on: 07/02/2013 16:18
fellow sentients,
let this be a place where we can yakk aboot the breaking story alleged foiled terror plot to bomb the BC Parliament buildings
From the CBC website:
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Amanda Marie Korody, 30, and John Stewart Nuttall, 39, both of Surrey, B.C., have each been charged with conspiracy to commit an indictable offence, knowingly facilitating a terrorist activity and possession of an explosive substance.
They were arrested Monday and are accused of building explosive devices with the "purpose of causing death or serious bodily injuries," which were placed outside the B.C. legislature in Victoria on Canada Day.
RCMP say the contents of the improvised explosive devices included nuts, bolts, nails, washers and other materials intended to kill or maim people.
Police said Korody and Nuttall, both Canadian-born citizens, were "inspired by al-Qaeda ideology" but added the incident has no international links.
At the press conference, police said the pair were self-radicalized and had discussed a wide variety of targets and techniques.
Police said the threat was real but at no time was the public at risk, as the threat was detected early and disrupted. Police added they were in tight control as the devices were constructed.
Both Korody and Nuttall were arrested in Abbotsford, B.C., and are now in police custody in Surrey.
Both appeared in court briefly this afternoon and tried to speak to each other with a sheriff between them.
Korody and Nuttall are scheduled to appear in court again next Tuesday.
At a news conference in front of the legislature following the RCMP announcement, B.C. Premier Christy Clark said she was informed of the "profoundly shocking" incident on Monday.
She thanked the police investigators involved, saying terrorists "will not succeed in tearing down the values that make this country strong."
Clark said British Columbians will be vigilant in the wake of the threat but won't let fear grip them.
"We will not let suspicion darken our hearts," she said.
Federal Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the arrests were the result of close work between police and security agencies.
The investigation, dubbed Project Souvenir, was launched in February 2013 and co-ordinated by the RCMP-led Integrated National Security Enforcement Teams, which include investigators from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and Canada Border Services Agency.
"The success of this operation was due to the close collaboration of our security and law enforcement agencies, including CSIS, said Toews in Ottawa on Tuesday afternoon.
"I would like to applaud the RCMP-led Integrated National Security Enforcement Teams — known as INSET — and all of the partners for their outstanding work on this investigation."
copycat crime?
hoax?
a result of the horrific Canadian drone warfare & imperialist MENA aggression?
Mohammad's warlike nature coming out?
bored Abbotsford youth?
ready? set?
RIFF!!!
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InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 07/02/2013 16:23
be mindful, agape your neighbour, never judge, repeat...
(maybe someone will listen and move the Legislature where it 'belongs', to the mainland?)
Arminius
Posted on: 07/02/2013 18:41
Maybe it was just an attention-getting hoax. It seems there was nothing in those pressure cookers.
Alex
Posted on: 07/02/2013 18:59
I suspect this had more to do with police entrapment. Ie the RCMP discovered some jack off on the Internet who was a terrorist wannabe. And so they started to encourage and enable him and his girlfriend,. Resulting ion arresting them yesterday, and flying out someone from Ottawa HQ of the RCMP for a press conference that will be used to justified spending billions. I am not sure how much we spend fighting a non existent terrorist threat, but I do know that 3.1 billion is unaccounted for, so I suspect it is ten times that amount.
Meanwhile thousands of children are victimise, and we spend relatively little finding child abusers, and those who exploit children on the internet. Which in turns causes thousands of deaths through suicides, and crime that results.
somegalfromcan
Posted on: 07/02/2013 20:15
I have to say that, as someone who celebrated Canada Day on the lawns of the Leg in Victoria, I am really glad that the plot was foiled. I hope that the two involved get whatever help they need. I'm not going to speculate about what or who was really behind this - I'm sure that, one way or another, the truth will come out eventually.
Mendalla
Posted on: 07/02/2013 21:55
Meanwhile thousands of children are victimise, and we spend relatively little finding child abusers, and those who exploit children on the internet. Which in turns causes thousands of deaths through suicides, and crime that results.
This. There are far more people harmed and going to be harmed by sexual and other predators than will ever be harmed by terrorism. Let's start dealing with real threats that are happening every day instead of ones that happen maybe once or twice a year.
The problem, of course, is that catching a "terrorist" makes a big splashy headline and is actually relatively easy. Furthermore, a terrorist act makes a big splashy headline that scares lots of people into demanding action. Child exploitation, by contrast, is harder to track down and doesn't create big splashy headlines (save for the odd sensationalistic expose) so people don't demand action or see results in the same way. IOW, cops and governments are going for the easy, visible targets.
Mendalla
revjohn
Posted on: 07/03/2013 07:54
Hi InannaWhimsey,
fellow sentients,
let this be a place where we can yakk aboot the breaking story alleged foiled terror plot to bomb the BC Parliament buildings
copycat crime?
hoax?
a result of the horrific Canadian drone warfare & imperialist MENA aggression?
Mohammad's warlike nature coming out?
bored Abbotsford youth?
ready? set?
RIFF!!!
The facts that exist to date don't seem to support much beyond copycat crime.
What motive? For him I suppose it is ego-driven. For her it sounds like she exists only to stroke his ego.
The trial will drop more nuggets and we will have a better picture to work with at some point.
Grace and peace to you.
John
revjohn
Posted on: 07/03/2013 08:11
Hi Arminius,
Maybe it was just an attention-getting hoax. It seems there was nothing in those pressure cookers.
New reports have the RCMP claiming that the devices were inert, meaning not working. That doesn't mean the devices were empty.
It is reported that the pressure cookers were, at the very least, lined with rusty nails. Had these bombs been operable they would have been quite destructive.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Arminius
Posted on: 07/03/2013 10:39
Yes, John, I've found that out by now.
When the police discover such a plot, and infiltrate it and encourage the perpetrators to carry it out, or nearly so, just in order to get a conviction, isn't this police entrapment?
naman
Posted on: 07/03/2013 10:48
High drama for a couple of nuts.
naman
Posted on: 07/03/2013 10:51
Tempest in a pressure cooker.
revjohn
Posted on: 07/03/2013 11:18
Hi Arminius,
When the police discover such a plot, and infiltrate it and encourage the perpetrators to carry it out, or nearly so, just in order to get a conviction, isn't this police entrapment?
I do not think entrapment is a reasonable defence although it may be tried. Entrapment is when legal authorities encourage individuals to perform criminal acts for the purpose of making an arrest. It is not considered entrapment if there is evidence that the individual is already engaged in criminal activity.
For example, approaching an individual and offering to split the proceeds from the sale of narcotics and providing said narcotics to that individual while simultaneously sending undercover agents to arrest that individual for selling narcotics is entrapment.
Targetting an individual known to engage in the selling of narcotics and sending an undercover agent to procure narcotics from that individual for the purpose of making an arrest is not entrapment.
So . . .
Were the accused engaged in a plan to commit an indictable offence? Or did law officers encourage them to take up such a plan?
If there was no planning by the accused that is independant of police involvement I would expect entrapment to be a valid defence. If police stumble across a plan already in play then I would expect entrapment to be more of a smokescreen than an actual defence.
Grace and peace to you.
John
Arminius
Posted on: 07/03/2013 18:21
Thanks for the clarification, John.