So I guess some of you have heard of the recent kerfuffle* in the US -- there is a rise in people questioning the right of just teaching math in schools.
The winners of the Miss USA 2011 were asked their view on this.
After you have watched it, what is your opinion? Should math be taught at schools?
* otherwise known in journalismspeak as 'Controversy'
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Alex
Posted on: 07/11/2011 16:38
I have no words. Let the cat in this video speak for me.
MikePaterson
Posted on: 07/11/2011 17:22
Maths is really r-e-a-l-l-y hard. Kids should not be forced to do really r-e-a-l-l-y hard stuff, especially lazy fat dumb kids... it's soooo much harder for them. Thinking, spelling, walking... all these things are downright abusive.
You DO know, don't you, that this vid is a spoof, a take-off, a parody....
Diana
Posted on: 07/11/2011 17:22
lol - let's take math out of the equation best line I've heard this week.
Of course it's only Monday.
MikePaterson
Posted on: 07/11/2011 17:24
What's YOUR view, Whimsey??? ....Is your misogny directed just towards the U.S., or is it universal?
Alex
Posted on: 07/11/2011 20:43
Mike
when you accuse people of misogyny you should explain why. Also you might consider that attitudes towards women are different in different parts of the world. People in rural PEI who are over 60 might consider that women are dumb, but it's been many many years that that fallacy has been repeated among people in most of Canada. It has been a long time since women in general have received a better education than men. thus the above joke not aimed at women. (Unless if was made by someone over 60 living in the rural parts of the Maritimes. which I doubt. and not some non-gender specific person living in a city.)
It is also bad form to accuse someone of hating women, or any other group, without backing up such an accusation, and just making a smart asses aside to it.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 07/11/2011 20:50
She would certainly make a nifty avatar :3 We are blessed to be their staff.
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 07/11/2011 20:52
Of course it's only Monday.
It's never too early for laughter :3
redbaron338
Posted on: 07/11/2011 20:52
These are actual contestants? They aren't spoofs? Yer kiddin.
(SG-- loved that line, too... reminds me of another I heard a few years back, "We should go metric, every inch of the way."
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 07/11/2011 21:11
You'd have to ask those actresses, really.
And who, truly, but you are responsible for how you feel, what you think, and how you act? If you are feeling misogynistic (because you obviously, when you wrote that, were thinking that), why put it on anyone else but you?
"Those who take it literally deserve it."
Unfortunately, with
creationismnon-math trying to be taught in schools, someone's literalism is going to be hurting kid's educations :3(it seems that even the elders among us fall prey to the instant-gratification world of the internet)
redbaron338
Posted on: 07/11/2011 21:01
The real question is, does the square root of 16 REALLY exist???
MikePaterson
Posted on: 07/12/2011 09:02
Alex: to fake videos like these... that get seriously more stupid... is satire when it's aimed at the the right target. This is aimed at the contestants who are very obviously caught up in a whole sexist stereotype thing and are trying desperately to impress idiots. It is very easy for these clips -- and there are a number of them -- to be taken as a slagging of women in general.
The anti-science thing in the U.S. (and the Canadian government, come to that) is not being driven by intimidated and under-educated women. It is being driven by right wing "Christian" fanatics... including power-broking legislators. And they are almost all men. In part they are mostly men because these same men don't believe women should talk out in church or anywhere else. So where are the satirical videos of them? I'm sure they exist.
I guess I'm a little sensitised to it by the level of ambient misogyny I have seen in Canada, particularly in Ontario, but I suspect because that's where we've spent most time. Women ARE discriminated against, women ARE stereotyped, women ARE lower paid, domestic violence is worryingly widespread.. and hotly denied: we don't hear a lot of promises of a crackdown on domestic violence when our government rants about crime. There's a target for some satire.
I have heard so many jokes about dumb women, stupid wives and women as bimbos and bad drivers that it gets pretty predictable. My experience has generally been that many Canadians are from being the genial, non-racist, non-sexist, open, welcoming people they typically proclaim themselves to be. So I do raise the issue where there seems to be one; bigotry winds me up because I have seen too much of its consequences. It's not an amusing little personality quirk.
qwerty
Posted on: 07/12/2011 09:56
As far as math is concerned, my views align with those of Peng Yee Lee, a Singaporian mathematics educator at the National Institute of Education in Singapore, who wrote as follows in the Journal of Mathematics Education:
revjohn
Posted on: 07/12/2011 12:30
Hi Inanna Whimsey,
Should math be taught at schools?
Given the history shared recently by Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann they could probably ease up on the math and add some more history.
I'm just saying.
Grace and peace to you.
John
GordW
Posted on: 07/12/2011 13:00
You mean Paul Revere did NOT warn the British?????
Alex
Posted on: 07/12/2011 13:51
I guess I'm a little sensitised to it by the level of ambient misogyny I have seen in Canada, particularly in Ontario, but I suspect because that's where we've spent most time. Women ARE discriminated against, women ARE stereotyped, women ARE lower paid, domestic violence is worryingly widespread.. and hotly denied: we don't hear a lot of promises of a crackdown on domestic violence when our government rants about crime. There's a target for some satire.
You make a good and important point. However satire is art, and thus somewhat objective. In your first post if you had just said that, instead of just implying that Whimsey was a misogynist. That would have allowed for a discussion about sexism in art.
However you must understand that for some this video could be seen as an attack on the sexism that allows beauty contests to continue.
Canada did away with beauty contests many years ago, but the whole idea that women should be judged and rank on there beauty, (which includes race, if you notice almost all such contestants are white) and not there ability to think is perhaps one the video is attacking.
Alex
Posted on: 07/12/2011 13:49
Generally comments and humour directed at another culture (American) would be seen in bad taste. However US culture and values threatens the rest of the world (including Canada) through both environmental actions and military actions. Both of which are enabled by the real views of the real contestants that the video is a parody of.
MikePaterson
Posted on: 07/12/2011 14:48
Alex: I just think the target here is something other than sexism, the American education system or, even beauty contests -- although when you put all three together it is a tempting target. the laughs rather seems to be on the "dumb" women.
Canada may not have had beauty contests for yonks, but it certainly has plenty of misogyny and there are plenty of reliable stats that make that clear.
I do see a perfectly valid target being right wing fundamentalist Christian anti-science attitudes in North America, but the satire was not about the source of those attitudes so much as its victims... and that's my objection.
I also have to wonder when some respondents here seem unaware that it's a spoof.
kaythecurler
Posted on: 07/12/2011 15:02
I just Googled Miss Canada and came up with a hit. Also a hit for Miss Universe Canada. Maybe this nonsense still continues to encourage girls to view themselves in competition with others for mere physical looks? I detest the whole concept.
MikePaterson
Posted on: 07/12/2011 16:01
OMG: Miss Canada official Official Results:
Miss Universe Canada 2011: Chelsae Durocher, Tecumseh, ON
1st Runner-up: Elishia Sahota, North Delta, BC
2nd Runner-up: Brooke Boyle, Edmonton, AB
You can find it at: www.beautiesofcanada.com
The website has a list of sponsors so we can boycott them.
This must be come covert group of anachronistic troupers this... here's a satire target worth a pop... weird or what.
Is that your hat you're eating Alex? I've always preferred humble pie in such circumstances....
Here's the statement from the website:
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Created in 2002, the “Beauties of Canada” Organization has the exclusive rights to send a Canadian representative to the Miss Universe® Pageant. The company president, Mr. Denis Davila, a Nicaraguan-born Canadian, has worked in the beauty pageant field for over a decade, and has successfully produced events in both Canada and Nicaragua.
Miss Universe Canada Community & Public Relations
Since 2003, the Miss Universe Canada Organization has strived to be an active member of the GTA community. We’re proud to have addressed over 10,000 students at schools thru the MUC inspirational speaking tour. Our talks focus on the importance of education, setting goals, pursuing your dreams as well as delivering an anti-bullying campaign.
Our tour has been covered by both Print and TV media outlets including the Toronto Sun, ET Canada and E-Talk Daily. For example Mike Strobel feature writer for the Toronto Sun wrote a story titled “A True Queen for Our Kids” after attending one of our talks.
Our organization is proud to have developed strong relationships and assisted some of Canada’s biggest non-profit organizations including The Brazilian Ball, Variety Village, CANFAR, SOS Children’s Villages, Save The Children, Breast Cancer Foundation, Sick Kids Hospital, Universal Youth Foundation, Princess Margaret Hospital, Lymphoma Foundation and The Santa Claus Parade amongst others. We have also assisted numerous charities within the diverse ethnic communities represented in the GTA.
Miss Universe Canada regularly attends and is featured as a VIP guest at the premier entertainment and sporting events throughout Canada, including the Canadian F1 Grand Prix in Montreal, The Toronto Grand Prix, The Toronto Blue Jays, The Toronto Raptors, Canadian Idol, The Toronto International Film Festival and The Much Music Video Awards amongst others.
Beauties of Canada holds the exclusive rights to send a contestant to the Miss Universe Pageant. In addition, we hold the licenses of other international events like Miss International, Miss Tourism Queen International, International Queen of Coffee, Miss Asia Pacific and many others
InannaWhimsey
Posted on: 07/12/2011 16:09
qwerty, huzzah to Peng Yee Lee and postmodern critique of education!
It sure is a controversy...I'd say, with enough DMT or 'shrooms, anything can exist :3
*rim shot*
That's another big controversy in the US -- along with just how Divine the Founding Fathers are and their Holy Documents that Shall Not Be Changed.
OMG: Miss Canada official Official Results:
Miss Universe Canada 2011: Chelsae Durocher, Tecumseh, ON
1st Runner-up: Elishia Sahota, North Delta, BC
2nd Runner-up: Brooke Boyle, Edmonton, AB
The Corporation of North Delta??? Wow, I guess that's proof that even RICH people with no culture can win...
Looking through the files, I see that Tecumseh is older than Canada...wow.
kaythecurler
Posted on: 07/13/2011 10:22
I prefer to encourage girls in 'this' way. Here is a link to a short video about body image from the Girl Scouts of America.