It was announced that Rob Ford was turned away in Chicago and he went somewhere else. He did not enter States. His brother says he is definitely in rehab. Where? Don't know.
Yeah, another weird Rob Ford story to occupy the media. At least it's mildly more entertaining than the election so far (yawn).
Mendalla
chemgal
Posted on: 05/06/2014 13:10
I think keeping his location quiet (assuming he is actually in rehab) is likely the healthiest thing for him right now.
Mendalla
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:14
chemgal wrote:
I think keeping his location quiet (assuming he is actually in rehab) is likely the healthiest thing for him everyone right now.
Fixed yer typo.
Mendalla
chemgal
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:15
lol True
Hilary
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:21
Mendalla
chansen
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:31
I'm fine with Rob Ford not being in city hall and nobody knowing where he is. I hope for many more years of that. Never let them end.
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:40
lol
Would you want people to know where you were rehabbing?
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 05/06/2014 15:39
chansen wrote:
I'm fine with Rob Ford not being in city hall and nobody knowing where he is. I hope for many more years of that. Never let them end.
Well, I more or less agree, but I do hope that he's getting whatever help that he needs. He was Toronto's worst mayor, but he's also a human being who needs some help.
chansen
Posted on: 05/06/2014 16:10
Rob doesn't want help. Rob wants to be elected. He embarrassed himself while inebriated how many times, yet he only addressed any alcohol struggles once the original crack video was confirmed by Chief Blair. Everything since then was "in the past", even if it happened the night before. Now that stills from a second crack video appear, it's damage control time again. Is he going to deal with his drug problems? No, he went to rehab for alcohol.
I mean, if he didn't drink, he wouldn't have been filmed with a crack pipe. Obviously. That he is best friends with a drug dealer? Not important.
I think his base doesn't care about him drinking. They do care about the drugs. He is still denying the drug problem. If everything stems from the booze, maybe he still makes a run at the race for mayor.
This is all a show to appeal to his base. His family didn't know? His sister was with him the last time. That we know of.
carolla
Posted on: 05/06/2014 19:28
I suspect it is a lot of show too, but will give the benefit of the doubt - Dougie says he's in an inpatient rehab - undisclosed location. Good enough. But truly 30 days is hardly even the tip of the iceberg with regard to treatment for substance abuse.
revjohn
Posted on: 05/07/2014 08:29
Hi crazyheart,
crazyheart wrote:
Where? Don't know.
Does it really matter where?
He either is or he isn't.
The family either researched a place that specializes in addressing Rob's particular needs or it didn't.
Rob will take all the time that he needs or he won't succeed.
We are informed that it is a 30 day rehab program. I suppose it is possible for addicts to do one 30 day course and then successfully wrestle with that same addiction for the rest of their lives.
Do I believe Rob Ford can be one of those people? No. I don't.
And that isn't because I think Rob Ford is particularly weak. It is because I think his denial runs fairly deep.
I don't know anything about what a rehabilitation program looks or feels like. I've never needed one and I don't know any addicts who were strong enough to admit they needed such help.
He either is in rehab or he isn't.
He will either find a way to keep on top of his addictions or he won't.
He will also probably fall down a lot along the way and he will never, ever be a non-addict. No matter how long his recovery.
For his sake I hope this is more than a stunt.
For his sake I hope he finally hit bottom and is now climbing back up.
For the sake of his family I hope they do some work of their own because as much as Rob Ford needs to invest his own blood and sweat into his recovery it will go for naught if his family doesn't know how to help him.
Time will always tell.
Grace and peace to you.
John
lastpointe
Posted on: 05/07/2014 09:23
It seems very unlikely that he has truly taken important steps to deal with addiction. You need to face your problems and he only does that when he gets caught.
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We all see that with teens; caught, apologize , repent, get caught again.......
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The idea that he can recover, return to the same spot and keep going stretches the imagination.
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Apparently he called someone at The Sun today to say all is good, it's like football boot camp, he feels wonderful....... Seems unlikely to me.
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I am not sure it is our business , however by keeping it a big dark secret it allows us to think it is a ploy.
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Funny because the family seems to be the only ones who think all is well.
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His base will keep with him. Despite being a rich son of a politician, they delude themselves to think of him as an ordinary guy, an anti politician.
Got to give him credit for managing that.
Inukshuk
Posted on: 05/07/2014 11:09
Wherever he is - he's giving phone interviews saying just how great rehab is - and returning calls to his constituents...
lastpointe
Posted on: 05/07/2014 12:40
That sounds like all the rehab I have heard of. Another red herring
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/07/2014 13:11
Inukshuk wrote:
Wherever he is - he's giving phone interviews saying just how great rehab is - and returning calls to his constituents...
I din't hear this. Thank you.
carolla
Posted on: 05/07/2014 14:16
That he states/thinks "it's just like football camp" is very sad - he truly doesn't get it.
Mendalla
Posted on: 05/07/2014 16:04
crazyheart wrote:
Inukshuk wrote:
Wherever he is - he's giving phone interviews saying just how great rehab is - and returning calls to his constituents...
It becomes interesting. He has called the media, says now he got in trouble for talking to the media.
And says $100,000 is money well spent.
Do you think that his "ordinary guy like you" image will be hurt with $100,000 for a month.
I sure couldn't afford that. Can't imagine many could
Is he really at rehab? Odd how this story just keeps on going.
And as others have said. If he isn't here in the city all is good.
But it kind of makes rehab, which is a serious, work oriented time , a bit of a lark.
I feel for others who have gone through rehab and worked hard for sobriety to hear him talk about how much fun he is having.
Something is not quite right
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/08/2014 19:11
I agree. I heard at noon that he has been reprimanded for talking outside of rehab. The announcer said "There that's taken care of" or something similar. Who is she kidding?
carolla
Posted on: 05/08/2014 20:46
More lies & exaggeration I think - I serious doubt that rehab anywhere in Canada would charge $100K/month!! Duh.
Northwind
Posted on: 05/10/2014 01:36
Today CBC apparently confirmed that he is in rehab and are keeping the location private. I actually think that is a good idea for many reasons. The biggest reason is that we have heard enough Rob Ford stories. Another good reason is that if he is truly getting help, he needs the privacy and chance to get help.
People commented about his phoning, and thought that rehabs don't allow clients to phone out. Clients do generally (in my experience) have access to a pay phone. Usually cell phones are restricted or limited. I was glad to hear that he had gotten into trouble for the media interview. If I were his counsellor, I would have come down hard on him. Doing work in rehab is not productive in the least. If he wants to take it seriously, he needs to ditch the phone and get to work.
Time will tell if this is legit. I believe that as long as there is life, there is hope of recovery from addictions. Some people do test that theory for me. I do stand by that belief.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 09:21
Well folks...todays articles in the Toronto Star take the cake. I haven't recovered yet. This is really really bad stuff, the worst to date in my opinion. I know I am bad for publishing it too. However, I have a thread on R and F asking for support for Rob because he needs it badly....please. I don't have the heart to post this on that thread with the hymn and the prayer.
I've a feeling the Rob story is going to end in tragedy somewhere down the road. If he is truly in rehab and he comes out and falls off the edge so to speak ( drugs and booze) it can be fatal. We've all heard of these cases. Renata, his wife ...I can't imagine how she must be feeling. God give her strength to face tomorrow.
Toronto Star May 10/14
It’s two days after Ford’s celebrated appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live, two months before rehab.
In the course of this March 5 night, Ford will bring together two of his closest felon friends, beating one and accepting drugs from another; go on a racist tirade; and boast that he often has sex with “girls” in front of his wife, according to an account of the evening. He will suggest one man could have sex with her, a source has told the Star, recalling Ford’s words.
The information for this story comes from interviews and from the Star’s review of audio tape that captures a portion of the evening. The Star did not pay for the tape. Ford could not be reached by the Star for comment, as has been the case since the Star began its investigation more than a year ago. His lawyer Dennis Morris would not comment on the majority of the allegations in this story.
Ford eventually pulls into a park near his home in Etobicoke, according to an account of the evening. Lisi arrives, driving his black Range Rover. (Lisi is facing drug trafficking and extortion charges in connection with an alleged attempt to retrieve the embarrassing crack video. No accomplice has been charged. The Star reported recently that at another late-night event, Ford pummelled Lisi, his friend, until Lisi cried.)
According to an account of the evening, drugs are present as the men meet in the park. An hour passes. Ford and Bellissimo drive to Ford’s home, with Lisi in tow driving his Range Rover. From here on, there is no known audio recording of the night.
The front walkway to the Ford house leads to a modest front door. At about 10 p.m. that night, Ford and his pals arrive. Ford has a bag of McDonald’s food in his hand. Ford jiggles the front door and then kicks the door open. He, Lisi, Bellissimo and another man step in.
“Don’t worry guys, my kids aren’t here,” Ford says.
For no apparent reason, Ford turns on Bellissimo and hits him squarely in the face twice — boom, boom — forgetting that he has a bagful of Big Macs in his hand. Burgers and fries scatter. Ford makes Bellissimo pick them up.
Down the stairs they go. Ford’s wife Renata is on the couch, a tired lounger that has been described to the Star by paramedics and firefighters who have attended calls at the house over the past two years.
Renata is smoking a joint.
“You’re a f---ing idiot,” Renata says.
Enraged, Ford rummages for his Don Bosco coaching jacket. “It’s where I keep my weed,” he tells people in the room. Ford turns on his wife, screaming that she has taken his drugs. Standing there quietly are Lisi and Bellissimo.
To a visitor, Ford says, almost offhanded, “You can f--- her if you want, in front of me.”
Nobody speaks. The comment is ignored by Ford’s wife. Men in the room are shocked.
“It’s okay,” Ford burbles. “She lets me f--k girls in front of her all the time.”
Eyes flicked upward, to the rest of the house.
“It’s okay, my kids are not home,” Ford repeats.
For the next two hours Ford never stops moving. He paces the dingy room, back and forth. Lisi says little, checking his phone from time to time.
Ford drinks and smokes a joint. He speaks Jamaican patois, reminiscent of his turn at the Steak Queen restaurant in January, another night when he was out in north Etobicoke with Lisi.
Still popping back and forth, Ford invites people to punch him. “I’m jacked,” Ford tells the men as he flexes his muscles
Well folks...todays articles in the Toronto Star take the cake.
Bear in mind that while these are new revelations they are not new revelations since his admission to rehab. They belong to that time prior to rehab when all of us were saying (or had long given up saying) Mayor Ford should seek help.
CBC has verified with a doctor that Rob Ford is in rehab.
Another drunken video from before his admission doesn't make things worse. It simply affirms that all who have been begging him to get help were right to do so.
Grace and peace to you.
John.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 11:36
Thanks Rev. John
I think I gave up reading or hearing about the latest Ford news " in detail " sometime ago. I've sort of been tuned out to the same old, same old news until this a.m. when I actually decided to read the article I posted above. I was shocked; perhaps I shouldn't have been.
I'm sure glad he's in rehab and I hope he will continue out patient dr. treatments when he returns home.
chansen
Posted on: 05/10/2014 12:00
All the latest audio recording revelations accomplish is to show that alcohol is not the problem: Rob is the problem. These are not things Rob does while drunk - he just happens to be drunk and stoned a lot while he does and says these things. This is the real Rob Ford. This is what he thinks. This is what he does. This is his home life. Anyone who thinks the alcohol is the cause of the drugs, and the cause of the massive bigotry, is fooling themselves more that Rob is.
Rob is not in rehab to get better. Rob is in rehab for how it will look when he pops out 30 days later. It's for show. That much is painfully obvious.
Lost in these stories, is that Rob and Renata have kids. What a childhood that must be.
lastpointe
Posted on: 05/10/2014 13:08
So true chansen
What a total mess. I think both kids are in the 10-12 age, certainly old enough to be aware of what is printed and said.
I agree, alcohol and drugs don't make you do things, they allow you to do things that you might hide away when being "civilized"
It is good to hear he is in rehab but nothing in his behaviour indicates tht he has hit bottom and sees the need for help. Rather, he got caught again and needed to change the story a bit.
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Doesn't he wonder why his "friends" seem to always tape him ?
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 13:56
For once I will also agree with chansen.
If you frequent " Night Clubs" (with various sophisticated names) the Rob Ford garden variety of people are always there. They have the same kind of character traits and mentality as Rob. These people are many, they are legion.
I think his kids are quite young, maybe 6 and 8. Its a very sad situation.
chansen
Posted on: 05/10/2014 15:39
stardust wrote:
For once I will also agree with chansen.
If you frequent " Night Clubs" (with various sophisticated names) the Rob Ford garden variety of people are always there. They have the same kind of character traits and mentality as Rob. These people are many, they are legion.
And here's where I'm going to disagree with you again. I don't care if Rob goes to nightclubs. It's entirely possible to hit a nightclub because you like that sort of thing and it helps you blow off some steam. Or whatever. It is entirely possible to go to a nightclub and not become a drug addict or an alcoholic, and not hang out with dealers.
It's not where you go. It's what you do, and what you say.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 16:02
chansen
I didn't say that " everyone" who goes to night clubs is like Rob Ford. I've been to night clubs. There's a variety of people there just as there is for many types of entertainment in the city. I have met the Rob Ford types of characters in them, that's all I'm sayin'. I also don't care if Rob Ford goes to night clubs. I'm familiar with one he goes to.
chansen
Posted on: 05/10/2014 16:29
I'm pretty sure Rob Ford is more unique than you're giving him credit for.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 16:51
Whatever.....!!!
kaythecurler
Posted on: 05/10/2014 23:25
For me this whole 'Rob Ford thing' isindicative of the negative use of mass media. Basically they tend to play to the lowest common denominator!
chansen
Posted on: 05/11/2014 08:17
We're talking about him. Are we the lowest common denominator?
He is the mayor of Canada's largest city. He is also a buffoon, a drunk, a likely drug addict, a serial impaired driver, and probably a crook on many counts. This is news.
Mendalla
Posted on: 05/11/2014 08:34
chansen wrote:
We're talking about him. Are we the lowest common denominator? He is the mayor of Canada's largest city. He is also a buffoon, a drunk, a likely drug addict, a serial impaired driver, and probably a crook on many counts. This is news.
Exactly. While some of the reporting and humour around it is hitting well below the belt, the story itself is a important one. A drug and drink addict who behaves in a reckless and inconsistent manner and resists dealing with his problems until they are shoved in his face is not someone who should be in charge of a city of 3 million people.
Mendalla
revjohn
Posted on: 05/11/2014 08:40
Hi chansen,
chansen wrote:
All the latest audio recording revelations accomplish is to show that alcohol is not the problem: Rob is the problem.
Well, it shows that alcohol and drugs are not the only problems.
chansen wrote:
These are not things Rob does while drunk - he just happens to be drunk and stoned a lot while he does and says these things.
Agreed. Although the things we say when our social braking mechanisms are not on do not have to be repugnant to indicate deeper problems.
The only time I ever remember my father telling me that he loved me was when he was three sheets to the wind. It was likely a true statement. It didn't help that he needed to be thoroughly lubricated before he could let that truth slip out.
chansen wrote:
This is the real Rob Ford. This is what he thinks. This is what he does. This is his home life.
Possibly. I have no doubt that we are hearing genuine Rob Ford. I just don't know the degree to which he wrestles with this part of himself. I'm fairly confident that while inebriated he loses more matches with himself than he wins. Of course the urge to partake of his partcular poison indicates that he loses more matches than he wins.
So there is a whole constellation of problems present in this one person. Most of which we wouldn't notice if their stars did not shine so brightly.
chansen wrote:
Anyone who thinks the alcohol is the cause of the drugs, and the cause of the massive bigotry, is fooling themselves more that Rob is.
Agreed.
Although the alcohol and the drugs will significantly impact upon his ability to keep his stuff to himself.
chansen wrote:
Rob is not in rehab to get better. Rob is in rehab for how it will look when he pops out 30 days later. It's for show. That much is painfully obvious.
I suspect that you are right. It still remains to be seen. One thing that I think is fair is that this will likely be the first rehab of many. One addiction would be tough enough to handle multiple addictions (I suspect there is more than one) that much harder. That he is continuing to try and do work from rehab indicates that he has yet to come to grips with the reality of his situation. I also don't know how long Rob can go being dry so that is a test he has yet to face while in rehab.
chansen wrote:
Lost in these stories, is that Rob and Renata have kids. What a childhood that must be.
I don't agree that it is lost. I do agree that little is made of it. Life is difficult for the child of any addict.
If we can trust the reporting from the latest story it would appear that the children get out of the home and are not exposed to some of the more vulgar aspects of Mayor Ford's home life.
How often they get out and where they go we don't know. I expect that Family Services has been paying attention to the situation.
Grace and peace to you.
John
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/11/2014 09:48
One of the comments made was about his weight and that in rehab, he will also be trying to lose weight. Is this a prerequisite for being mayor?
stardust
Posted on: 05/11/2014 10:17
CH
I would say he needs to lose weight for his self esteem.
Toronto Star today - Dr. Oz is in town
Mayor Rob Ford’s attitude could derail rehab efforts, warns Dr. Oz
TV host and surgeon cautions that mayor's “grandiose” statements don’t reflect right approach.
Television host Dr. Mehmet Oz has weighed in on Toronto Mayor Rob FordRob Ford’s battle with addiction, warning that a “grandiose” and “playful” attitude while in rehab will get him nowhere.
“Part of the process of rehab is to completely disconnect from experiences, from triggers, that took you to where you already were,” Oz said in an interview with The Canadian Press.
“So if being grandiose or joking around or being playful is going to put you back in a place where you maybe prone to the same types of mistakes again, then it’s going to delay the healing process.”
The host of The Dr. Oz Show was commenting on the mayor’s statements to the Toronto Sun this week in which he called rehab “amazing” and compared it to football camp. Oz, a cardiothoracic surgeon who often speaks about addiction and mental health on his show, said the mayor should not be making work-related calls while in treatment.
“I want to applaud the mayor for being in rehab. Some people get the message later than others, but if you get the message at all, you’re still better off,” he said.
“I pray that he will be thoughtful and be guided by people around him who are knowledgeable in this area, so that he’ll get better as fast as possible.”
There was speculation Friday that Councillor Doug Ford would provide “proof” his brother was in treatment, Oz said that as a public figure the mayor should show evidence he is in rehab while protecting the privacy of others in the facility.
The CBC reported Friday that it spoke to the doctor at a clinic that provides treatment programs for people with substance abuse who confirmed Ford is a patient at the facility. Ford’s lawyer Dennis Morris told The Canadian Press the CBC report was likely the proof.
Asked if he thought Ford should step down or drop out of the campaign, Oz said that he didn’t know all the details of the mayor’s situation, but abandoning the race could send the wrong message to addicts.
“I would leave those decisions to him and his team, but I would think that an addict should not think that their life would be destroyed if they come out, acknowledge there’s a problem and then move into treatment,” he said.
“If someone like Rob Ford can go through therapy, change what he’s been doing, and return to be a great mayor of Toronto, that would be a wonderful, and I think a great stimulant to a lot of people struggling.”
Ford indicated last week that he would seek “immediate” help for alcohol abuse.
Oz was in Toronto this week to promote his show, which airs weekday afternoons on CTV, and his recently launched magazine The Good Life. After five years on the air, he said the most important thing he’s learned is that the key to personal change — whether it’s beating obesity, addiction or any other hurdle — is self-esteem.
“The irony of the human condition, the reason I have a show, is that even though people know exactly what to do, they still don’t do it, because we haven’t communicated it the right way,” he said. “Convincing you that you have an appropriate opportunity, but also should have the passion, to change your life ... is something that when you hear it and you get it, you actually have to do it.”
I didn't say that " everyone" who goes to night clubs is like Rob Ford. I've been to night clubs. There's a variety of people there just as there is for many types of entertainment in the city. I have met the Rob Ford types of characters in them, that's all I'm sayin'. I also don't care if Rob Ford goes to night clubs. I'm familiar with one he goes to.
Comments
Mendalla
Posted on: 05/06/2014 13:09
Yeah, another weird Rob Ford story to occupy the media. At least it's mildly more entertaining than the election so far (yawn).
Mendalla
chemgal
Posted on: 05/06/2014 13:10
I think keeping his location quiet (assuming he is actually in rehab) is likely the healthiest thing for him right now.
Mendalla
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:14
I think keeping his location quiet (assuming he is actually in rehab) is likely the healthiest thing for
himeveryone right now.Fixed yer typo.
Mendalla
chemgal
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:15
lol True
Hilary
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:21
chansen
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:31
I'm fine with Rob Ford not being in city hall and nobody knowing where he is. I hope for many more years of that. Never let them end.
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/06/2014 14:40
lol
Would you want people to know where you were rehabbing?
Dcn. Jae
Posted on: 05/06/2014 15:39
I'm fine with Rob Ford not being in city hall and nobody knowing where he is. I hope for many more years of that. Never let them end.
Well, I more or less agree, but I do hope that he's getting whatever help that he needs. He was Toronto's worst mayor, but he's also a human being who needs some help.
chansen
Posted on: 05/06/2014 16:10
Rob doesn't want help. Rob wants to be elected. He embarrassed himself while inebriated how many times, yet he only addressed any alcohol struggles once the original crack video was confirmed by Chief Blair. Everything since then was "in the past", even if it happened the night before. Now that stills from a second crack video appear, it's damage control time again. Is he going to deal with his drug problems? No, he went to rehab for alcohol.
I mean, if he didn't drink, he wouldn't have been filmed with a crack pipe. Obviously. That he is best friends with a drug dealer? Not important.
I think his base doesn't care about him drinking. They do care about the drugs. He is still denying the drug problem. If everything stems from the booze, maybe he still makes a run at the race for mayor.
This is all a show to appeal to his base. His family didn't know? His sister was with him the last time. That we know of.
carolla
Posted on: 05/06/2014 19:28
I suspect it is a lot of show too, but will give the benefit of the doubt - Dougie says he's in an inpatient rehab - undisclosed location. Good enough. But truly 30 days is hardly even the tip of the iceberg with regard to treatment for substance abuse.
revjohn
Posted on: 05/07/2014 08:29
Hi crazyheart,
Where? Don't know.
Does it really matter where?
He either is or he isn't.
The family either researched a place that specializes in addressing Rob's particular needs or it didn't.
Rob will take all the time that he needs or he won't succeed.
We are informed that it is a 30 day rehab program. I suppose it is possible for addicts to do one 30 day course and then successfully wrestle with that same addiction for the rest of their lives.
Do I believe Rob Ford can be one of those people? No. I don't.
And that isn't because I think Rob Ford is particularly weak. It is because I think his denial runs fairly deep.
I don't know anything about what a rehabilitation program looks or feels like. I've never needed one and I don't know any addicts who were strong enough to admit they needed such help.
He either is in rehab or he isn't.
He will either find a way to keep on top of his addictions or he won't.
He will also probably fall down a lot along the way and he will never, ever be a non-addict. No matter how long his recovery.
For his sake I hope this is more than a stunt.
For his sake I hope he finally hit bottom and is now climbing back up.
For the sake of his family I hope they do some work of their own because as much as Rob Ford needs to invest his own blood and sweat into his recovery it will go for naught if his family doesn't know how to help him.
Time will always tell.
Grace and peace to you.
John
lastpointe
Posted on: 05/07/2014 09:23
It seems very unlikely that he has truly taken important steps to deal with addiction. You need to face your problems and he only does that when he gets caught.
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We all see that with teens; caught, apologize , repent, get caught again.......
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The idea that he can recover, return to the same spot and keep going stretches the imagination.
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Apparently he called someone at The Sun today to say all is good, it's like football boot camp, he feels wonderful....... Seems unlikely to me.
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I am not sure it is our business , however by keeping it a big dark secret it allows us to think it is a ploy.
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Funny because the family seems to be the only ones who think all is well.
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His base will keep with him. Despite being a rich son of a politician, they delude themselves to think of him as an ordinary guy, an anti politician.
Got to give him credit for managing that.
Inukshuk
Posted on: 05/07/2014 11:09
Wherever he is - he's giving phone interviews saying just how great rehab is - and returning calls to his constituents...
lastpointe
Posted on: 05/07/2014 12:40
That sounds like all the rehab I have heard of. Another red herring
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/07/2014 13:11
Wherever he is - he's giving phone interviews saying just how great rehab is - and returning calls to his constituents...
I din't hear this. Thank you.
carolla
Posted on: 05/07/2014 14:16
That he states/thinks "it's just like football camp" is very sad - he truly doesn't get it.
Mendalla
Posted on: 05/07/2014 16:04
Wherever he is - he's giving phone interviews saying just how great rehab is - and returning calls to his constituents...
I din't hear this. Thank you.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rob-ford-enjoying-rehab-for-substance-issues-columnist-says-1.2634549
lastpointe
Posted on: 05/08/2014 18:24
It becomes interesting. He has called the media, says now he got in trouble for talking to the media.
And says $100,000 is money well spent.
Do you think that his "ordinary guy like you" image will be hurt with $100,000 for a month.
I sure couldn't afford that. Can't imagine many could
Is he really at rehab? Odd how this story just keeps on going.
And as others have said. If he isn't here in the city all is good.
But it kind of makes rehab, which is a serious, work oriented time , a bit of a lark.
I feel for others who have gone through rehab and worked hard for sobriety to hear him talk about how much fun he is having.
Something is not quite right
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/08/2014 19:11
I agree. I heard at noon that he has been reprimanded for talking outside of rehab. The announcer said "There that's taken care of" or something similar. Who is she kidding?
carolla
Posted on: 05/08/2014 20:46
More lies & exaggeration I think - I serious doubt that rehab anywhere in Canada would charge $100K/month!! Duh.
Northwind
Posted on: 05/10/2014 01:36
Today CBC apparently confirmed that he is in rehab and are keeping the location private. I actually think that is a good idea for many reasons. The biggest reason is that we have heard enough Rob Ford stories. Another good reason is that if he is truly getting help, he needs the privacy and chance to get help.
People commented about his phoning, and thought that rehabs don't allow clients to phone out. Clients do generally (in my experience) have access to a pay phone. Usually cell phones are restricted or limited. I was glad to hear that he had gotten into trouble for the media interview. If I were his counsellor, I would have come down hard on him. Doing work in rehab is not productive in the least. If he wants to take it seriously, he needs to ditch the phone and get to work.
Time will tell if this is legit. I believe that as long as there is life, there is hope of recovery from addictions. Some people do test that theory for me. I do stand by that belief.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 09:21
Well folks...todays articles in the Toronto Star take the cake. I haven't recovered yet. This is really really bad stuff, the worst to date in my opinion. I know I am bad for publishing it too. However, I have a thread on R and F asking for support for Rob because he needs it badly....please. I don't have the heart to post this on that thread with the hymn and the prayer.
I've a feeling the Rob story is going to end in tragedy somewhere down the road. If he is truly in rehab and he comes out and falls off the edge so to speak ( drugs and booze) it can be fatal. We've all heard of these cases. Renata, his wife ...I can't imagine how she must be feeling. God give her strength to face tomorrow.
Toronto Star May 10/14
It’s two days after Ford’s celebrated appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live, two months before rehab.
In the course of this March 5 night, Ford will bring together two of his closest felon friends, beating one and accepting drugs from another; go on a racist tirade; and boast that he often has sex with “girls” in front of his wife, according to an account of the evening. He will suggest one man could have sex with her, a source has told the Star, recalling Ford’s words.
The information for this story comes from interviews and from the Star’s review of audio tape that captures a portion of the evening. The Star did not pay for the tape. Ford could not be reached by the Star for comment, as has been the case since the Star began its investigation more than a year ago. His lawyer Dennis Morris would not comment on the majority of the allegations in this story.
Ford eventually pulls into a park near his home in Etobicoke, according to an account of the evening. Lisi arrives, driving his black Range Rover. (Lisi is facing drug trafficking and extortion charges in connection with an alleged attempt to retrieve the embarrassing crack video. No accomplice has been charged. The Star reported recently that at another late-night event, Ford pummelled Lisi, his friend, until Lisi cried.)
According to an account of the evening, drugs are present as the men meet in the park. An hour passes. Ford and Bellissimo drive to Ford’s home, with Lisi in tow driving his Range Rover. From here on, there is no known audio recording of the night.
The front walkway to the Ford house leads to a modest front door. At about 10 p.m. that night, Ford and his pals arrive. Ford has a bag of McDonald’s food in his hand. Ford jiggles the front door and then kicks the door open. He, Lisi, Bellissimo and another man step in.
“Don’t worry guys, my kids aren’t here,” Ford says.
For no apparent reason, Ford turns on Bellissimo and hits him squarely in the face twice — boom, boom — forgetting that he has a bagful of Big Macs in his hand. Burgers and fries scatter. Ford makes Bellissimo pick them up.
Down the stairs they go. Ford’s wife Renata is on the couch, a tired lounger that has been described to the Star by paramedics and firefighters who have attended calls at the house over the past two years.
Renata is smoking a joint.
“You’re a f---ing idiot,” Renata says.
Enraged, Ford rummages for his Don Bosco coaching jacket. “It’s where I keep my weed,” he tells people in the room. Ford turns on his wife, screaming that she has taken his drugs. Standing there quietly are Lisi and Bellissimo.
To a visitor, Ford says, almost offhanded, “You can f--- her if you want, in front of me.”
Nobody speaks. The comment is ignored by Ford’s wife. Men in the room are shocked.
“It’s okay,” Ford burbles. “She lets me f--k girls in front of her all the time.”
Eyes flicked upward, to the rest of the house.
“It’s okay, my kids are not home,” Ford repeats.
For the next two hours Ford never stops moving. He paces the dingy room, back and forth. Lisi says little, checking his phone from time to time.
Ford drinks and smokes a joint. He speaks Jamaican patois, reminiscent of his turn at the Steak Queen restaurant in January, another night when he was out in north Etobicoke with Lisi.
Still popping back and forth, Ford invites people to punch him. “I’m jacked,” Ford tells the men as he flexes his muscles
Full article:
.http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2014/05/09/rob_ford_one_wild_night_in_march.html
revjohn
Posted on: 05/10/2014 11:13
Hi stardust,
Well folks...todays articles in the Toronto Star take the cake.
Bear in mind that while these are new revelations they are not new revelations since his admission to rehab. They belong to that time prior to rehab when all of us were saying (or had long given up saying) Mayor Ford should seek help.
CBC has verified with a doctor that Rob Ford is in rehab.
Another drunken video from before his admission doesn't make things worse. It simply affirms that all who have been begging him to get help were right to do so.
Grace and peace to you.
John.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 11:36
Thanks Rev. John
I think I gave up reading or hearing about the latest Ford news " in detail " sometime ago. I've sort of been tuned out to the same old, same old news until this a.m. when I actually decided to read the article I posted above. I was shocked; perhaps I shouldn't have been.
I'm sure glad he's in rehab and I hope he will continue out patient dr. treatments when he returns home.
chansen
Posted on: 05/10/2014 12:00
All the latest audio recording revelations accomplish is to show that alcohol is not the problem: Rob is the problem. These are not things Rob does while drunk - he just happens to be drunk and stoned a lot while he does and says these things. This is the real Rob Ford. This is what he thinks. This is what he does. This is his home life. Anyone who thinks the alcohol is the cause of the drugs, and the cause of the massive bigotry, is fooling themselves more that Rob is.
Rob is not in rehab to get better. Rob is in rehab for how it will look when he pops out 30 days later. It's for show. That much is painfully obvious.
Lost in these stories, is that Rob and Renata have kids. What a childhood that must be.
lastpointe
Posted on: 05/10/2014 13:08
So true chansen
What a total mess. I think both kids are in the 10-12 age, certainly old enough to be aware of what is printed and said.
I agree, alcohol and drugs don't make you do things, they allow you to do things that you might hide away when being "civilized"
It is good to hear he is in rehab but nothing in his behaviour indicates tht he has hit bottom and sees the need for help. Rather, he got caught again and needed to change the story a bit.
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Doesn't he wonder why his "friends" seem to always tape him ?
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 13:56
For once I will also agree with chansen.
If you frequent " Night Clubs" (with various sophisticated names) the Rob Ford garden variety of people are always there. They have the same kind of character traits and mentality as Rob. These people are many, they are legion.
I think his kids are quite young, maybe 6 and 8. Its a very sad situation.
chansen
Posted on: 05/10/2014 15:39
For once I will also agree with chansen.
If you frequent " Night Clubs" (with various sophisticated names) the Rob Ford garden variety of people are always there. They have the same kind of character traits and mentality as Rob. These people are many, they are legion.
And here's where I'm going to disagree with you again. I don't care if Rob goes to nightclubs. It's entirely possible to hit a nightclub because you like that sort of thing and it helps you blow off some steam. Or whatever. It is entirely possible to go to a nightclub and not become a drug addict or an alcoholic, and not hang out with dealers.
It's not where you go. It's what you do, and what you say.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 16:02
chansen
I didn't say that " everyone" who goes to night clubs is like Rob Ford. I've been to night clubs. There's a variety of people there just as there is for many types of entertainment in the city. I have met the Rob Ford types of characters in them, that's all I'm sayin'. I also don't care if Rob Ford goes to night clubs. I'm familiar with one he goes to.
chansen
Posted on: 05/10/2014 16:29
I'm pretty sure Rob Ford is more unique than you're giving him credit for.
stardust
Posted on: 05/10/2014 16:51
Whatever.....!!!
kaythecurler
Posted on: 05/10/2014 23:25
For me this whole 'Rob Ford thing' isindicative of the negative use of mass media. Basically they tend to play to the lowest common denominator!
chansen
Posted on: 05/11/2014 08:17
We're talking about him. Are we the lowest common denominator?
He is the mayor of Canada's largest city. He is also a buffoon, a drunk, a likely drug addict, a serial impaired driver, and probably a crook on many counts. This is news.
Mendalla
Posted on: 05/11/2014 08:34
Exactly. While some of the reporting and humour around it is hitting well below the belt, the story itself is a important one. A drug and drink addict who behaves in a reckless and inconsistent manner and resists dealing with his problems until they are shoved in his face is not someone who should be in charge of a city of 3 million people.
Mendalla
revjohn
Posted on: 05/11/2014 08:40
Hi chansen,
All the latest audio recording revelations accomplish is to show that alcohol is not the problem: Rob is the problem.
Well, it shows that alcohol and drugs are not the only problems.
These are not things Rob does while drunk - he just happens to be drunk and stoned a lot while he does and says these things.
Agreed. Although the things we say when our social braking mechanisms are not on do not have to be repugnant to indicate deeper problems.
The only time I ever remember my father telling me that he loved me was when he was three sheets to the wind. It was likely a true statement. It didn't help that he needed to be thoroughly lubricated before he could let that truth slip out.
This is the real Rob Ford. This is what he thinks. This is what he does. This is his home life.
Possibly. I have no doubt that we are hearing genuine Rob Ford. I just don't know the degree to which he wrestles with this part of himself. I'm fairly confident that while inebriated he loses more matches with himself than he wins. Of course the urge to partake of his partcular poison indicates that he loses more matches than he wins.
So there is a whole constellation of problems present in this one person. Most of which we wouldn't notice if their stars did not shine so brightly.
Anyone who thinks the alcohol is the cause of the drugs, and the cause of the massive bigotry, is fooling themselves more that Rob is.
Agreed.
Although the alcohol and the drugs will significantly impact upon his ability to keep his stuff to himself.
Rob is not in rehab to get better. Rob is in rehab for how it will look when he pops out 30 days later. It's for show. That much is painfully obvious.
I suspect that you are right. It still remains to be seen. One thing that I think is fair is that this will likely be the first rehab of many. One addiction would be tough enough to handle multiple addictions (I suspect there is more than one) that much harder. That he is continuing to try and do work from rehab indicates that he has yet to come to grips with the reality of his situation. I also don't know how long Rob can go being dry so that is a test he has yet to face while in rehab.
Lost in these stories, is that Rob and Renata have kids. What a childhood that must be.
I don't agree that it is lost. I do agree that little is made of it. Life is difficult for the child of any addict.
If we can trust the reporting from the latest story it would appear that the children get out of the home and are not exposed to some of the more vulgar aspects of Mayor Ford's home life.
How often they get out and where they go we don't know. I expect that Family Services has been paying attention to the situation.
Grace and peace to you.
John
crazyheart
Posted on: 05/11/2014 09:48
One of the comments made was about his weight and that in rehab, he will also be trying to lose weight. Is this a prerequisite for being mayor?
stardust
Posted on: 05/11/2014 10:17
CH
I would say he needs to lose weight for his self esteem.
Toronto Star today - Dr. Oz is in town
Mayor Rob Ford’s attitude could derail rehab efforts, warns Dr. Oz
TV host and surgeon cautions that mayor's “grandiose” statements don’t reflect right approach.
Television host Dr. Mehmet Oz has weighed in on Toronto Mayor Rob FordRob Ford’s battle with addiction, warning that a “grandiose” and “playful” attitude while in rehab will get him nowhere.
“Part of the process of rehab is to completely disconnect from experiences, from triggers, that took you to where you already were,” Oz said in an interview with The Canadian Press.
“So if being grandiose or joking around or being playful is going to put you back in a place where you maybe prone to the same types of mistakes again, then it’s going to delay the healing process.”
The host of The Dr. Oz Show was commenting on the mayor’s statements to the Toronto Sun this week in which he called rehab “amazing” and compared it to football camp. Oz, a cardiothoracic surgeon who often speaks about addiction and mental health on his show, said the mayor should not be making work-related calls while in treatment.
“I want to applaud the mayor for being in rehab. Some people get the message later than others, but if you get the message at all, you’re still better off,” he said.
“I pray that he will be thoughtful and be guided by people around him who are knowledgeable in this area, so that he’ll get better as fast as possible.”
There was speculation Friday that Councillor Doug Ford would provide “proof” his brother was in treatment, Oz said that as a public figure the mayor should show evidence he is in rehab while protecting the privacy of others in the facility.
The CBC reported Friday that it spoke to the doctor at a clinic that provides treatment programs for people with substance abuse who confirmed Ford is a patient at the facility. Ford’s lawyer Dennis Morris told The Canadian Press the CBC report was likely the proof.
Asked if he thought Ford should step down or drop out of the campaign, Oz said that he didn’t know all the details of the mayor’s situation, but abandoning the race could send the wrong message to addicts.
“I would leave those decisions to him and his team, but I would think that an addict should not think that their life would be destroyed if they come out, acknowledge there’s a problem and then move into treatment,” he said.
“If someone like Rob Ford can go through therapy, change what he’s been doing, and return to be a great mayor of Toronto, that would be a wonderful, and I think a great stimulant to a lot of people struggling.”
Ford indicated last week that he would seek “immediate” help for alcohol abuse.
Oz was in Toronto this week to promote his show, which airs weekday afternoons on CTV, and his recently launched magazine The Good Life. After five years on the air, he said the most important thing he’s learned is that the key to personal change — whether it’s beating obesity, addiction or any other hurdle — is self-esteem.
“The irony of the human condition, the reason I have a show, is that even though people know exactly what to do, they still don’t do it, because we haven’t communicated it the right way,” he said. “Convincing you that you have an appropriate opportunity, but also should have the passion, to change your life ... is something that when you hear it and you get it, you actually have to do it.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/05/10/mayor_rob_fords_attitude_could_derail_rehab_efforts_warns_dr_oz.html
chemgal
Posted on: 05/11/2014 12:25
chansen
I didn't say that " everyone" who goes to night clubs is like Rob Ford. I've been to night clubs. There's a variety of people there just as there is for many types of entertainment in the city. I have met the Rob Ford types of characters in them, that's all I'm sayin'. I also don't care if Rob Ford goes to night clubs. I'm familiar with one he goes to.
I was going to different nightclubs I think.