Thats just the thing WaterBuoy, This phyiscal incarnation has been there already. Jesus didn't come so that there would be peace, but that there would be division, mother against daughter & father against son etc.

To trash classic stories is a misfortune.

There will be division & there is indeed division now.

& no one will be laughing around the bend as you put it for it is no laughing matter at all once the light reviels the dark mysteries.

Bolt

Waterbuoy -- I love you.

Don't let that bother you.

You do this irresistable dance with all the words that really helps me transcend the concrete "right/wrong" dichotomy,  I think I get it.  As much as is needful.  I quite enjoy your forays, sometimes even laughing at the cleverness.

I feel like a faery.

This isn't a motive to bother, it is a motive to communicate with a poetic man.

Bolt

Sometimes I get the feeling that Waterbuoy is really wounded by the conflict here.....

Is that a projection?

Yes I get that feeling too. now more than ever.

Bolt

Thanks folks, it is a humbling thought that a rare few get the mystery of a wee light out of the shadows ... first word of any holy book without prejudice.

It sort of brings one down to earth in the Moses fashion ... "take off your shoes where your stand is holy ground" ... the base of life ... something an infinite cosmos is married to? In desemination or deconstructionism (non-destructive) cos-mos is the alternate or opposite mind/psyche. They were not to be separated; emotion and intelligence as the Hebrew foot (pudenda) of basis of wisdom in the passing. A human should caress it in Passover ... we might grasp something instead of the Roman way of inserting fear (terrorism) ... it is a grand way of divining the emotions and intellect ... leaving us without light. Is that a shadow of the mind of the infinite?

Daemons; fallout of heaven? Means or medium to an end?

Is there a certain sign, symbol of a pearl drop at the instant of perception ... Omega 'd! Did Romans make love and thought taboo for common folks? Speak of sects and corrupt sex in the line of enlightenment!

More on the strange literary (not literal) device, metaphor, later ... it is necessary to get the anthropomorphic out of the box .... Pan Dore' ... is a devilsh glow of unseen light ... it bedevils the love in proccess into thinking about what's been done. Many are in denial about the past and archetypical indicators that we should learn from ... du Ba Ewe for instance.

Then there is the matter of ommission: "That's not the exact question they asked your honour?" Now explain to me about the slippery devil they call blind passion ... do what you like according to your God but in reverence to the surroundings (neighbour). Who cares in a world of numb brain, mind and all that is connected to the fall or is that phallis ... merei pain in the side that teaches?

"And there shall always be a remnant" ... a small piece of Cos-moe-logical process ... large evidence for reason to value life and death as separate yet the same entities. Mankind seems to fear one against the other although the holy books say: "Fear not!" Go figure the institutional ... the immobile ineffable. Is that the devil to the amour fuss flow? Your choice of perspective ... I chose to love the whole atomed thing and the space in between .. rheum for th' ought. Some say nothing is Love ... beginning with nothing but a whole in space concept! Is that ode or odd ... forunner to God according to WEBSTER ... spin drift?

Quantum Eires/Ayres ... you can whett the mana all by yourself if you choose!

Mana is perfect nurishment, the flavor may lack to some, some may be in wanting of a more flavorful food, but mana keeps the body alive & one must allow it's fall from heaven.

Emotion is very much a part of wisdom,  as intellect is. When it is bridled & carefully interpreted so that the light reviels dark instead of dark shadowing the light.

In truth with all fact in play, dark cannot shadow the light. It is impossible.

But light reviels the dark every time to those who will accept it.

Sometimes our feet will stumble & our toe gets caught on the curb in the dark, the emotion that blinds indeed.

Fear is a dark emotion, for one to knowingly instills fear is a deciple of dark, as it does shadow the mind indefinately when fear is the cause. This is speaking of experience.

Pearls start as a grain of sand, dust of the earth, when the oystershell is clamped shut, the pearl isn't revieled until it has matured. In nightfall the shell opens to reviel the pearl as a thing of beauty in the deep dark place where many are indeed in denial. Where archetypical indicators have no effect.

There is no phallus in the mind, that is numb to such things as this, for this is where the slippery devil resides in comfort & contentment. this is his domain in the loins that is numb to the mind of light.

This influences the numb mind to be of comfort & contentment as well.

The mind of Christ is the key to unlock this dark deep mystery.

The Comforter is the comfort to which exceeds far beyond that which resides in the dark deep, the spiritual mana shall comfort until milk,  honey, & the new wine are served at the wedding feast. 

Bolt

Amen,

Halite is an old word for salt, ancient word of wisdom dissolved in the pool ... the Roman vesion was it poisined the well that dark pit of the mind ... but in ancient times was salt the only clear crystal that could focus the maji "C" of heh Light into the pits and wake the wee devil?

Have a giggle, some do when they see the gift of another day!

Then there is sweet arrest for those that have had enought and Godfather when the love is gone ... what then? We have a realm of Roaming hate ... the other side of the pit the veils of unexplained ... unexplored spaces of the mind. Shouldn't we disturb the sleeping giant ... the sea of numb humanity with a wee Light as ordered between the alien words that few read?

my gosh, waterbuoy... you take me back to my younger years.

i once knew a very artistic and creative woman, and i loved to be around her simply because i hoped that some of her 'coolness' would rub off on me, i guess... anyways, as much as i tried, i could never meet her on her level.  her thoughts, her mind was always about 3 or 4 astral plains higher than mine could ever ascend to.  there were always 2 or 3 moments in our times together where it was PAINFULLY obvious how dumb i was compared to her. 

to her credit, and all of the friends that i met while i was with her, they NEVER mocked me, or left me out... they walked me through the thought process needed to get to where they were like a parent would help a child. 

THAT is how i feel when i attempt to grasp the things that you say on wondercafe, waterbuoy.   once again, i'm the dumbest person in the room.

its nobodys fault, i just wanted to share my thoughts with you, so that you would understand my reaction to your posts. 

i hope i haven't offended you.

You are not dumb. I know you were not talking to me , but with hopes that somehow the way you see me may be as more compassionate than in the past.

I will say this you.

We sometimes look at others & see a wonderful gift in them, yet we havn't found the gift in us yet.

The gift within is no less important than in others, especially when we embrace it.

Your gifts are just as important than anyones gift. no less important indeed.

To watch over & care & protect children is a marvelous gift indeed.

Bolt

Bolt, Thank you for presenting this answer. It all of a sudden dawned on me that you gave voice to a way of seeing reality as we have been taught all this time - to witt - that of duality, a duality that consist of Them vs Us. As I said, it all of a sudden came to me that the whole of the universe (creation) is one unitarian whole (also called holon). This means NO Them nor Us. It is all Us! That is where the Jews got their Shemah from: Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, is ONE (without opposites)!

Carry that forward and you end up becoming a panentheist, as I am.

Shalom brother!

If all  tears of joy or tears of sorrow, will the stream not turn to a creek? Will the creek not turn to a river? Will the river not flow to a salty sea in time?

The salty sea is not fit for drink but the sun shines on the sea without any shade to hide under until nightfall.

The sun purifies the water as it's rays cook the surface, & the invisible skim is lifted to the heavenlies.

Yes the wee one, is only bigger than one who is of less character but who could that be when the wee one crawls on his belly. The wee one never realy sleeps, but is agitated by the light to a level hard to comprehend.

One who walks with God giggles & rejoices all day long to the next, & the next. Does one truely sleep?

Very few words are spoken to awaken this giant, to awaken the mind, as all have one.

Only a few words spoken first read from sacred script  are nessisary to awaken the slumbering pool of thought & to agitate the wee one.

Yes the words spoken must be of character of the One who wrote them, or the love is indeed gone.

It is a giggle to the heart this poetry, to be a poet as well as a tent maker.

To have understanding of the Kingdom of God, one would understand the dark mysteries as well.

 Selah.

Bolt

Yes indeed, but how does one convince all of this? All it does is create tension & division, as it has since Jesus came. The opposite is not god & requiers attention, he requiers our attention.

I beleive in God manifested in three important ways were nessisary to establish the goal for our full maturity. but they are the One same Character.

Who can stand against Almighty God? one tried & he failed, look at the wee one now.

Bolt

Undrinkable salty sea?

An ancient philosopher by the name of Amun said that the primary sickness of mankind is the soul ... go ponder that. perhaps it is the reason a salt bath is good for you. Imagine salt in the tissues of the neurological system ... sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium are needed in just the right portions to keep the synaptic (snappy) joints working. In addition there are a whole bevy of minor ingredients required even chrome and zinc which were outlawed in water treatment some years ago. Walkerton told us something about cow crap and chlorine that was common knowledge before the fact (ignored?). The situation could have been explained in ten minutes but the last I heard was that the bill was $166 MM and increasing as the tap for numb wars! Odd things?

Mankind can be intelligent , but the desires often get out of hand. Then we have monotheists that believe in Love alone and in this Light they see themselves more desirving that the rest of creation. Does a man in Love get a bit St. UpID? On the other hand is a thought filled person without a care ... psycho pathic ... walking the wrong thin lien?

"To wit!" is that just the duality of the situation in certain light ... a devil to the people that  have some intelligence and the rest of the world won't hear of it? Man as a singularity can be an intelligent beast ... in a flood just a mob mentality cause social order is unexpected of a non reverential beast! It is funny if you can look at it from outside the sustem like me ... considered crazy by most of my surroundings. Read past posts. Can I help it if the other side cannot understand (and wills not) to understand word that describes what is required of us?

I've been flayed by all sorts of authorities and PHD's in multiple fields ... the pain of just living in a dying anima! Some daze ... sweet release ... cruising down the river on a sundazed afternnon ... "Finn, you there?" It is small bit of the phesh! Did you read Old Man Against the Sea? That's another old perspective about the isolated ones ... like Treasure Island ... you'll never know until yah dig ID! Shadows? Friday's Eve in a world where Love is an non sacred act? Is that just so much fecund Ur ... bully bits?

How easily we forget the primary commands and invade another's freedom to believe. If you tell me one thing that doesn't settle ... I'll echo a return ... can we banter or do we have to battle. Some people never knew the basis of a devilish naked struggle in the wilderness ... free spirits against the soul ... angels and demons on a ladder?

Yes , motive can be corrupted as much as the opposed message that is a deception.

Everyone has the right to beleive as they wish, there is no dispute, yet does this change the character of what is of benefit? or what can be of a negative consiquence?

Yes to beat a dead horse & even to grab a bull by the horns is of no profit to me.

The salt is nessisary for good health, I agree, but to accept salt as like drinking sea water when famished will indeed make one sick & they will indeed spew this salt water out & receive absolutely no refreshment. It actually can kill the body if retained.

Yes we are considered the crazy ones, I enjoy this corrispondance with you.

I see you differently now.

Bolt

Is sanity a wobbly line between emotions and deep thought? Some times means are not well defined as suggested by Exodus 20:19 ... God's sign was placed over the ridge ... in a haze of horizon lost ... Isaiah 7:11. Test all things even your love and see what works in the time, place and light of situation --- Old Sufi Scholar!

In the latter daze will am'n that declares God be a fool ... a bit crazy and thinking on the other side of 'is face of raelity!

It is said that ancient (aboriginal ) forces (fore C's) had a better understanding of the mind ... what we call soul a' Man's pits. But one had to open to the imaginary sole ... keep fishing ... you'll catch the jist of vite ... it too quick for  the dead psyche except that it comes to them all in a roasting. Is that embarassing to a naked sole. Did Christ eat broiled fish? The fishy thing is surely recycled in Light of the story! But it comes out fertile for a new beginning ... something of which some have no idea about! De void of any old th' oughts? It is  sacred realm ... eMma jinn Asian ... flood to the east! Romans hated people of th' ought ... a danger to the conquering cause ... no co operative intent! It was nailed by Jael an intersted deconstructive challenge in onyx!

Did God indicate by induction that there would be psi sigh'n ... a firey indication when the linoelic acid of the brain caught the edge of the humours ... that' is plasma in several old apspects ... bloody funny to the higher realms? Fish food for the mind ... quick ones? How did this get into ancient syntax? Yah have ta wander outside the cubit ... demon's box ... Pandorama ... look up Ramah in the closed book ... idyll tell yah moor of the maji 'C'! There is deeper lost meaning if yah dig ID!

Thanks for the insight Waterbuoy, I now have an  understanding as to Who the Poet is, & what the Poet says.

I'll keep in touch.

Boltupright