He was talking to people who claimed to be God's only children because they were children of Abraham. I believe he was challenging them on their legalism and exclusivity. They called him a Samaritan as an insult. And yet, it was the Samaritan in another story, who Jesus praised as most faithful for stopping to help someone- not because of their religion or pious legal views. The Samaritan just did the right thing regardless. That's what matters. That's what it's all about. Neo never denies that regardless of his belief system.

its intresting that Jesus would call anyone sons of satan 

 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.

He called Peter Satan, too. Old middle eastern hyperbole for "stop being a jerk"?

so Jesus uses the jerk hyoerbole alot uh? but then Jesus sees this hyperbole aka Jerk fall 

He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

BB, He prophesied that justice would happen. That evil had no power over good.

Neo doesn't talk about your beliefs being of Satan is all I can say. He's the kind of person, I think, who would help you if you were hurt and not expect you to convert to his beliefs. You refute legalism and yet don't see how you're being legalistic.

Thanks for admiting that Evil exists and a ang that it has a source 

I would help Neo if need be, but  I do not share his beliefe nore do I beleive it is From the Creator , 

not to mention just what Satan of the many is blackbelt referring to here?

the one of the sons of g_d satan in the book of job who is an employee of g_d?

the abstract concept as adversary or that which blocks one's path?

Melek Taus of Yazidism?

lower nature of humanity in Baha i Faith?

blackbelt feeling cornered again and lashing out?

blackbelt feeling male and abstractly challenging you?

blackbelt wanting to go out on a date with you, Italian style?

the djinn and iblis of Islam?  man Neo, if blackbelt is calling you a djinn, can i get a wish? :3

the free'er of humanity along with g_d, Jesus, etc to fight the creator of universe?

its amazing that, even though Neo's not 'Christian', he still can think of Satan in a negative sense.  Damn Christian brainwashing :3

It's not our place to say so. Is Neo advocating any behaviour that harms people? No. But you shun Neo just for expressing his ideas. What it comes down to are the top 2 commandments and that's really it. You can see the behaviours of people in the Bible who nit pick over legalisms vs. those who care about others and the rest is just commentary- Jesus trying time and time again to get people to understand that their actions show how faithful they are at heart. Believing that doing the right thing trumps fighting over status according to different cultural/ religious views. That's in the heart and mind waiting to be realized. The text is commentary to help us understand. It's really just about do you care about life and others regardless of their ethnicity, religion, whatever, for a better future for all, or not? That requires no religion just a belief that anything's possible. I do not believe Jesus would walk into any denomination and say "you're the righteous ones, those other people are not". It's about people's intentions and actions more than religious commentary.

and i do not believe your correct, Jesus contiunally pointed to himself , Jesus is excluslive among all religions 

Jesus, I believe, pointed to himself insofar as the values he was trying to get across- the essence of who He was and still is. What was in his heart. What we have a choice is that essence, that helps, and not that which harms. He was humble. Humble enough to die for what he believed rather than fight about it. When you believe in someone you believe in what they're about. You trust them- by how they care, by their sincerity, not by how insistant they are that you follow their religious rules. You're making the symbolism into the rule rather than looking at the intent behind it.

By your logic, BB, what about people like Gandhi? He wasn't Christian. Was he of Satan? If you think so- that, to my mind is legalistic. Sort of like not seeing the forest through the trees.

According to Wikipedia, there are 41,000 different denominations of Christianity in the world. It seems we don't agree too often even within the ranks of Christianity. Trying to tell others what to believe when we can't even get ourselves on the same page, seems hypocritical doesn't it?

Unsafe, which Christian denominations are going to hell, IYO?

A person's religious belief doesn't give them the right to denegrate someone else because they don't believe the same. That's the thing. It's hurtful to say "I believe your beliefs are from Satan" for no other reason than being unable to understand the symbolism the other understands- even though clearly the person is decent human being. Religious beliefs make poor excuses
for prejudices against individuals- I guess is my point.

If God died and went to 'eLLe for us ... did heh escape this mess we're in because of not thinking in enlightened manner ... like the lower level god ... closer to the torch he needsto carry?

Thus half of God is out of here and in the abstract or obtuse side and allowing us to continue our journey with love alone and all thoughts are clearly trashed and out of here ... in due satyr! If you can't read by the masque ... you can't see faceious satire ... a form as crude humis ... once called humour ... but this too was redacted as man can now screw around with DNA ... or anything for that matter ... without mind for nut'n ... and thus as said we're all becoming nuttiere than fruitcakes (make from stuff off the original tree of LOGOS that was alternered too).

With all that matteres left behind ... do we become abstract ... like the Shadow ... just another hue in the spirit of the brain that moves in UV and IR'd forms ... quite darkly in the field of overwhelming passion that put Jesous below the horizon ... encrypted in word as de light! Many can't read into ID ...

Then in the total spectrum of energy there is that slight sliver of visible energy ... that you can see if it relects upons some Black Bodied thingy ...

Lord Rutherford did say that small sliver seems to come from everywhere all the time ... like a myth revealed through the cracks in real personae ...insinuated that we're all crazy ... and when in Rome act accordingly ... such is passion without Q-Lues ... or Q-Luce about the multivarience in tongues ... thus you can speak to yourself and the outsiders can't interfere ... as god fere'd well down that imaginary hole ...

At least they were out of here ... where few have respect and reverence for dead languages ... spoken by eM passed or previously Piscine as the e-phesherman indicated ... in a thought from strayed dimensions along with the learning asis, once know as Ba-aL'm, or aL've eM in short form as curtailed ... like lambs without myth, tail or whatever you pin upon them without really knowing much of how they go to this state ... much of it ue to prior poor teaching ---Erasmus!

Alas prior leaders wouldn't admit to errors as infallable children of God ... they hadn't humbled themselves to the lighter under fabric as there was too much mire swept under there ...

waterfall     your quote    Unsafe, which Christian denominations are going to hell, IYO?

This is what God says ---if you have a problem with that you will have to take it up with God ---I can't help you as I didn't write the Bible ---I just believe it -----you can believe what you like from this scripture -----We will all know the truth when we die --and that waterfall is the real truth -----

What if your religious belief is that you're supposed to tell people that they are of Satan and are bound for hell? That's how stupid all of this is - for some, that's what their beliefs tell them they should be doing. So, if people have the freedom to believe what they want...and they believe they should be doing this....what then?

I say let them. The best argument against these beliefs is letting those who hold them speak.

so Hebrews says :

Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

one of the doctrines is false

and what about His Truth statements? is that just a value to you or is it that Jesus actually spoke the truth ? 

Unsafe, I wish you would stop highlighting quotes from the Bible as an excuse to be nasty and spiteful ( I think you hand picked them to cover for what you felt like saying), and then end your post with "peace". It's not peacemaking at all. If you really believe that you've got it all down pat, and other people who don't believe the same as you are all going to Hell, that's unfortunate because you don't know that so you might as well just try to be nicer today- it won't do any harm.

Believing that a certain belief is of satan does not meant that the destiny of the one who believes it is going to be hell, that Judgement is not mine to be had.  I can though judge on the root of the belief whether its from the Creator or not , which is what i have done with Neo, I don’t know his eternal destiny , I do believe that the doctrine that he believes is false to the core 

So, if the Judgment is not yours anyway- why say anything? Why even think anything like that. Neo's heard that particular view of Christianity before and he isn't into it. So why not keep those judgments about his beliefs to yourself- maybe just agree to disagree about that instead of saying his beliefs are from Satan. You might as well be calling him evil, and he's a decent person, so that's not right. That's not what Christianity is about.

But what if that is what Blackbelt's Christianity is about? You can't silence him, because that would be against his religious freedom. He isn't hurting anybody, and hardly anyone takes him seriously in the first place, so why worry about it?

because I believe Jesus is the way , truth and light so just as Neo, argues his points I argue mine

so if you have a friend that truly believes he can jump off a bridge and fly, you will say thats really nice i see yoru point ? 

Kimmo, we debate on this site tholigoical princples, in the christian view of spirtuality there is a True spirtuality and a false spiruality,  bouth are spirtuial yet one is false , I as Neo have the right to debate them and there sorce 

hmmmm, no,,, example , Neo believes in reincarnation , scripture says no you live die once and then the judgment comes

which is true ?

Chansen: It does hurt people when they're told their beliefs are from Satan. It's a round about way of saying "you're an evil person so you deserve punishment- and we're okay". Even if it doesn't hurt individuals who see through it, en masse, it either pushes people away or is coercive through fear, instead of finding common ground for peace amongst people.

Why can't we just look at both claims, realize they are both made without evidence, and dismiss both of them?

hold on a sec, since you responed we can add a 3rd, atheisim 

1) we reincarnate

2)we  live die once then Judgement

3) nothing happends your dead 

hmmmm, no,,, example , Neo believes in reincarnation , scripture says no you live die once and then the judgment comes

which is true ?

Just as possible does not make it true , the 2 opposing views are still contradictive of eachother and truth is not contradictive of itself, otherwise its not Truth

Just thinking of a different way of looking at John 2:17- what if that applied to reincarnation too- because the words shall never pass away...regardless of which cycle/ phase/ generation/ age we are living in?

They are not two opposing views necessarily. Analogy: If I had a brain injury that prevented me from remembering what I did yesterday, everyday, it doesn't mean I didn't do anything yesterday and it doesn't mean I won't live for ten thousand tomorrows, or that my soul- my character won't continue on. It just means everyday is a new "life".

Sure it pushes people away from Christianity, but it's been a popular interpretation of Christianity for a long time, and groups like the UCCan have been ineffective at arguing against it, if they even care to.

I like it precisely because it does push people away from Christianity. I dislike it because it is attempted coercion. In the end, I don't care to silence it because most people don't give a crap about it any more. Besides, the more you seriously approach this way of thinking, and the more you try to silence them, the more legitimacy I think you give them.

They can't make a case without a series of baseless assertions. Of course, neither can more inclusive interpretations of Christianity, so it tries very hard not to make claims. Blackbelt and friends looooove to make claims. Blackbelt here gets to pass jusgement. Not on spelling and grammar, of course, but on beliefs. I can't make this stuff up, it's so good.

So, that's my approach. I have fun with it.

Nobody has a right to not be offended. People are going to be offended by what I write. People are going to be offended by what Blackbelt writes. So what? If someone attacks you with the idea that you deserve eternal torture, you have options available to you. One of which is to walk away.

Hi Kimmio    your quote    Unsafe, I wish you would stop highlighting quotes from the Bible as an excuse to be nasty and spiteful ( I think you hand picked them to cover for what you felt like saying), and then end your post with "peace". It's not peacemaking at all.

Kimmio  ------- Who do you think you are  to tell me what I should and shouldn't Do ---I never tell you to stop posting  your beliefs ----If I want to post scripture and blacken it and underline my points --I will do as I wish ---no one is forcing you to read or go on what I post ---You always bring forward you view of love thy neighbour -----Well Kimmio you are breaking your own belief --no love here just judgment ---- 

I leave you with this scripture STRAIGHT FROM GOD -----blackened and underlined ---Keep an eye on yourself Kimmio not others ----My post was not to you Kimmio it was for waterfall -----if anyone has a beef with scripture --then let them talk to God about it not me ------

That's all we know happens. Sorry it isn't very exciting, but it's the closest thing to the truth we have. When either you or Neo have something more impressive to show the world, let us know. Until then, the boring answer is going to have to do.

Matt 7:5?!?

DRINK!!!!

You mentioned my name in your post, too, unsafe.

I think you mean 1 John 2:17 

but in renarcation, you are rebirthed a cycle .  Christanity says no you live onec period, not mabey  ,not if i remmber or dont , its a deffinant one life then you are judged. 

Kimmo its clearly contradictive of eachother

I only know I live in this life now, yes. But if someone believes they lived another life before, they don't remember or have proof they just believe it- that each time they live and die they are judged and that determines the quality of their next life- what difference does it make to the truth being lived in this conscious life now?If it's being lived now it's being lived now. Yesterday's gone- but the same lessons apply. What about "whoever loses his life shall gain it and whoever gains his life shall lose it." and people continue to live and die, generation after generation, and here we are with 7 billion on the planet. It's a different "world" today than the last age, or the age before, etc. and people keep dying and being born. Someday, mercy, justice and humilty will triumph in humanity- the fighting will be over, and we'll continue on like that forever- that's the hope to live for, to have faith in. I don't know that it means people will stop physically dying and being born, though. It just means that if life goes on, then physical death needn't be feared.

then why should God even incarnate to teach and speak truth then affirm it by the death and ressrection, you make it sound like spirtuial truth is not inportatnt , But according to God it is , why.

but not wanting my point to hang merly on reincatnaton vs one life, my point was that all religions contardict eachother, so hwo do we find truth in a mix of jungle beliefs, that is why we debate. 

Well many claim to follow Christ, but obviously they're following in different ways, otherwise they'd all be in the same denomination.

So are they all doing the will of God?

[quote=Kimmio]By your logic, BB, what about people like Gandhi? He wasn't Christian. Was he of Satan? If you think so- that, to my mind is legalistic. Sort of like not seeing the forest through the trees[

/quote]- Do you mean the guy who used to beat his wife an kids Kimmio . Was he a follow of Christ Jesus?

I'm not saying spiritual truth isn't important. I'm asking what if the spiritual truth is the same no matter what cycle of incarnation we are in? I live today, I go to sleep, I wake up- the truth of basic values I'm called to live by remains. A person dies, they are 'reborn' in essence, as a new person in a new body- with another chance- the truth remains the same- on and on until humanity gets it right?

and scripture says that your what if is not true, there is no cycle 

I don't claim to know I'm right. It's a way of looking at history of humanity and how it connects us to the beginning.

Was David?

Does it? Where?

When Jesus was speaking to his disciples he said the end was nigh, then and now and he being the beginning and the end. I see this as cycles- always an end and a beginning of something else. When he's speaking to them then, and we understand it for us now- he is speaking to all generations/ ages/ cycles of humanity. If it was just simply intended to be heard then I guess we wouldn't be having this discussion now. Are we connected to our past and our future as a human race?