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Today....!

 

"You cannot serve the LORD, for he is a holy God. He is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins. If you forsake the LORD and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you harm, and consume you, after having done you good." And the people said to Joshua, "No, we will serve the LORD!" Then Joshua said to the people, "You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the LORD, to serve him." And they said, "We are witnesses."

 

The text calls a people to a moment of decision.  We confront this decision in our practice of baptism, do we not? At the metaphoric water’s edge we determine a clear and irrevocable commitment to the way of God revealed in the gospel of Jesus Christ and attested by the prophets of ancient Israel.

 

And there is the rub. We have all made our baptismal covenant but we have not all kept it with due diligence. Who here will deny that covenant loyalty has suffered much harm by the polity of the United Church of Canada? We have satisfied the letter of the law and taken this as equivalent to satisfaction of its spirit.

 

All while the leaven of strange traditions slips in by the signs and significations of possessive individualism and political hedonism. Slips in to corrode and corrupt by the promotion of private powers and private pleasures.

 

The imagination of our sons and daughters is wholly occupied with the domination system by which the earth and its peoples are spoiled. The devices of surveillance and control are chosen as signs and symbols of consumer status. The willing enter a debt relation to obtain the trinkets by which to satisfy addictive patterns of consumption.

 

“Take away from me the noise of your songs; I will not listen to the melody of your harps. But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an everflowing stream.”

 

This text expresses creative indignation. How dare you play business as usual while the whole fabric of human relations is in tatters? Wake up and face the music. Name the error of our ways, cast off hubris, and take up the cross by which we are delivered from the bondage of death. Finding in our humiliation the exhalation of Christ and the rising of hope.

 

But, but, but.... says pride soto voice and not so soto too...!

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Very interesting post.

Reading about the terrible times of man (History)

and reading of the terrible times of man (The News)

And hearing about the terrible times of man (Radio)

And seeing....(TV)

And experiencing....(Combat)

I am begining to get the idea that we are not exactly perfect creatures.

Also somewhat less than perfect are nations, governments, politics, football players...religions

Cities, neighborhoods...

Now I'm down to the two of us.

I admire your perceptive religious 'stances'

I am currently trying to fit quantum physics into mine, enthralled with the implications, while realizing I will never understand the math...

But I also will never completely understand Bultman, Kung, or the Koran...

Cheers, from undoubtedly the happiest 84 year old you know...

Think of all the good that's also happening ---

(Living now in Vancouver 'like being in heaven without the trouble and expence of dying' smiley)

 

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Today is the day that God made.

 

Or did we humans make it?

 

If we humans made it in the image of God, then it would be a good day indeed.

 

 

Have a good day, everyone!

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You got me going to the point I felt a separate thread about "evil" and responsibility seemed more appropriate than a direct response, Geo. I think we are all conflicted over these issues.

 

A part of that is is difficulty of trusting god. We like to manage stuff; god's role has been reduced to that of a consultant — we self-justify by saying we called in the expert. 

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Yes!!!

Prepare the way of the Lord!

There's a train a comin'

Thanks for clearing away so much clutter piled on top of the Good News...

 

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There'd BETTER be a train coming, Rishi...

 

(why do trains ALWAYS run late?)

 

 

 

P.S. that was a theological question....

 

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MikePaterson wrote:

There'd BETTER be a train coming, Rishi...

 

(why do trains ALWAYS run late?)

 

 

 

P.S. that was a theological question....

 

 

Trains do not run late in Germany. Germans set their clocks by the train.wink

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Hi Geofee---WOW"""

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Are the trains in Germany  still on time today Arminius or are you thinking of the 'olden days'?  I know the planes are sometimes late. 

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Did you ever notice the laid E's tied to the tracks ... even if the train is late.  Who suffers the pain? The next generation ...

 

Latent thought after the passion ... then there is This Property is Condemned! Best little hoer Nous in  syn tax ... caught up in the superficial word? ID'll pas as history with little toby learned ... Nos Leight intended! Just for the Genius without emotional context ... caring for that beyond?

 

Tis an outside chance ... like quantum ... very complex for Simon ... brute phesherman! Some called him pedre Prin. ... an rare old odour've things passed ...

 

Thank gaw'd they don't understand inverse messages ... pure satire ... earth rattling like as noch-Ai ... not a clue in realtive terms to infinite wisdom! We'ar are there as Walter Chronkite would be explicite about ... soory: you're th'Eire ... should use IT!

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kaythecurler wrote:

Are the trains in Germany  still on time today Arminius or are you thinking of the 'olden days'?  I know the planes are sometimes late. 

 

Yes, I am thinking of the "olden days," when trains departed on the minute and timed their run in order to arrive on the minute. When I commuted to and from Munich in the late fifties and early sixties, and was young and in love and wanted to spend every last minute with my sweetheart, I always had my watch on railway time and frequently, and reliably and literally, made my train in the last minute.

 

Germans always were and still are sticklers for precision.

 

 

 

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I'm sorry: I seem to have derailed things again!

As I tried to point out.. the reference to trains never being on time was a theological question, a metaphor. (And the trains in Germany do run precisely on time... three years ago anyway, when I was last there).

 

What I was suggesting that there is an unfortunate lag between theological research and study and its reaching most pews. 

In mosques and synagogues, faith is constantly being debated, wondered over, discussed and questioned... in pews what happens is more likely to be about shaping conformities of "belief".

Christianity thrives where it is talked about... and that's one of the great opportunities WonderCafe offers us. 

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Oh Gawd' we couldn't tlak about that could we?

 

Somebody once said that a person who spoke to God was holy (something missing) and those who god talked to were crazy ... so that lets out all communication to the secular gods! Then there is WC ... an oddity or is that unik, or unique? Makes the devilish giggle in large RIP'eLs ...

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I passed the Curtis Mayfield clip on to friends, and just received this response from a local elder: 

"...some trains that have been mysteriously routed in such a way that they neither slow down nor stop at certain stations to allow boarding . . ."

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Stations devoid of something or other ... what's other ... antimatter ... not something?

 

Could be a mind all bent out of shape because of observing man's brutality to all that is! Look at what we've destroyed ... a real successful cultivator ... removed just about everything from the face of the earth ... including self respect!

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Mike wrote:

What I was suggesting that there is an unfortunate lag between theological research and study and its reaching most pews. 

 

How has this unfortunate situation come into play and what are the implications?

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Omegaw'd we won't elle ... will we?

 

That would be selt implication of many leaders ... right down the gar Din pathe to slaughter ... dumb eh?

 

What if we had a fore thought, a burning desire of the other kind ... wet-blanketed ... curmudgeon?

 

Excuse meis I'm just Toe in with your minds ... just for the kicks!

 

What's good for the guis is good for the gander... look around ... few dew ... brings tiers! Ignorance is best ... then some argue there is no unconscious soul that's mind or psyche in modern expression ... just sos you don't have to know! Created by God so people would be dumb... all bent out of shape ... heart .. tis a nice curve ... just blows the mind! Don Quies butte ... yah never see it until it's goan ... spirit of the thing is fishy ... indeterminate ...

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